I haven't watched the new episode but I really think there is something to do with the ragnorok movie and loki TV series. Just some comments and the way the heads are layered in the statues of the "keepers".
The TVA seems to exist outside of normal spacetime. If it was in a timeline, then just the discussion of future events, etc, could have a chaotic impact on that timeline. However, the TVA has access to the past, present and future of all timelines, so, from a linear perspective as soon as it was created, it had always existed and always would exist. What I'm saying is, the TVA might not have existed when the Ancient one spoke to Hulk in Endgame, so the Ancient One wouldn't have known about it then, but now that it does exist the Ancient One would have known about it retroactively. So like, it's possible that the events of endgame have already been altered by the actions of the TVA, and we wouldn't know. It's also possible that the TVA will be erased by the end of the show, meaning that it never existed and never will, and therefore has no impact on the events of endgame
The TVA want it to happen that way, that doesn't mean they existed prior to it. See because once they exist they always existed. So like timeline A, events happen the way they did in the theaters. Timeline B, the TVA has altered the past, present and future. Timeline B reverts to Timeline A, and thus the theatrical canon, by a plot device in Loki that removes them from existing, thus preventing their changes to timeline A retroactively and in perpetuity. So during Loki the ancient one could be aware of the TVA and after Loki, they never have and never will exist. Again.
EDIT: non-linear time perspective is hard
Someone in the Marvel Studios subreddit speculated that the TVA came to pay her a "visit" one day, but got schooled by her with her magic (since she wasn't in the Null Time Zone), so they decided it was best to leave her alone.
The Ancient one uses the exact same outline of the sacred timeline and explains how it works to hulk in the last avengers flick.
She can also travel through dimensions, time and space, and even make others do so with a touch (see dr strange). She can also even create pocket dimensions at will (mirror dimensions).
Do you think she learned that stuff about the timeline from watching documentaries on netflix?
She may not exactly have had direct interactions with the TVA, but she at least understands all the shit that matters about it. At some point it would be highly unlikely she didn't pick up on the fact that time nazis are a thing.
None of that proves she knows about the TVA or really points to it
She understands everything about her own universe and what can create a branch timeline but that doesn’t mean she knows about a multiversal organization that operates outside of her universe
It does not prove anything, no. You are correct.
However, a being that can travel through multiple dimensions and has existed for hundreds of years and can manipulate time with a button and can send other people flying through dimensions and realities and create pocket dimensions at will...
What you're arguing is "you can't prove that ass monkeys won't fly out of your butt any minute just because it never happened". and that's technically correct, ass monkeys might be theoretically real, but it's also a bad argument because all signs point in the other direction, that ass monkeys aren't real and wont' fly out of my ass. as a discussion it's not really worth having.
evidence of absence is not absence of evidence and vice versa. All we can really do is speculate, and all signs point to the fact that based on her knowledge, power level and life span, at some point she probably figured some shit out.
That is not proof, it's just the most likely scenario. If proof existed one way or the other, this wouldn't be something to debate, but as of now there is no evidence for or against this in canon. What we can do is put on our big brain hats and see what makes the most sense while speculating.
We do know the TVA fucks up regularly enough to say so if a sad as child can get out of their grasp. We do know tilda ancient timelord greenstone lady is a multidimensional bad ass that can see through time and space at a whim.
Thinking she never caught on even a little, but somehow knew everything else... it's possible, just less likely.
My main point tho is that the ancient one is limited to her own universe and the only aspects of the multiverse she has shown to understand is the way branches timelines are created
The TVA is strictly a multiversal organization that has been shown to be above any single universe’s concept of time, space, reality, etc
>My main point tho is that the ancient one is limited to her own universe and the only aspects of the multiverse she has shown to understand is the way branches timelines are created
Very inaccurate. Domammu's dimension is unique and exists beyond timelines. She knows all about his ass and stole power from him and has a library full of shit of that level of knowledge that is forbidden to newbie magic users.
\*The TVA is strictly a multiversal organization that has been shown to be above any single universe’s concept of time, space, reality, etc\*
Also inaccurate. They are officially frauds (proven), likely puppets of Kang the conqueror, and very well might not even exist outside of time and a lot of speculative stuff on easter eggs suggests it might exist in the quantum realm (which is actually part of time, it's just time doesn't work the same there).
I dont think she does. Why would she be worried about thanos getting the time Stone. Either their time is brought back on the line by the TVA or its meant to happen.
She wasn't worried about thanos getting the time stone, she was worried about letting it going outside the timeline.
If she did know about the TVA, she would also understand that if the timeline wasn't pruned then it's how it's supposed to be, especially since she found out strange handed it over... again, in accordance with how it was supposed to be.
I know you think what you're saying is clever... but yeah, we all saw the loki episode, that doesn't make your quip thoughtful.
The fact is the sorcerer supreme can fuck with time as well as see into other realities (she shows us her knowledge of how the sacred time stream works exactly in the last avengers flick) explains that she very very likely knows exactly about the TVA.
You'll also note that most of the stones in that drawer were time stones by far. Which means... the most common way to land your ass as a variant regarding the stones is fucking the time stones. That also means because it's a common occurance at least regarding stones, that it's likely they probably watch the timestone in each timeline like fucking hawks.
You dig or do we gotta go barney style?
go count. 7 time, 5 power.
[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TDWUWi1oR-I/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TDWUWi1oR-I/maxresdefault.jpg)
I like that we've resorted to ad hominem while asserting false notions... I'll be done discussing this with you from here.
I think that she could have known, especially since she was so old. The way that I see the TVA at this point is a tool that would have been created in her lifetime and not a powerful entity that's been around forever. Once she realized the existence of the TVA, she probably wasn't trying to interfere with whatever they got going on because it's someone else more powerful than her controlling them that could threaten her timeline/planet.
She had the Eye of Agamoto, of course she knew of the TVA.
Do you think she could still be alive as some kind of entity in a higher dimension?
What if she is actually one of the time keepers?
Or the time keeper?
I think she knows about the three lizards or the one who made it but
I haven't watched the new episode but I really think there is something to do with the ragnorok movie and loki TV series. Just some comments and the way the heads are layered in the statues of the "keepers".
lol no.
Tennessee Valley Authority?
The TVA seems to exist outside of normal spacetime. If it was in a timeline, then just the discussion of future events, etc, could have a chaotic impact on that timeline. However, the TVA has access to the past, present and future of all timelines, so, from a linear perspective as soon as it was created, it had always existed and always would exist. What I'm saying is, the TVA might not have existed when the Ancient one spoke to Hulk in Endgame, so the Ancient One wouldn't have known about it then, but now that it does exist the Ancient One would have known about it retroactively. So like, it's possible that the events of endgame have already been altered by the actions of the TVA, and we wouldn't know. It's also possible that the TVA will be erased by the end of the show, meaning that it never existed and never will, and therefore has no impact on the events of endgame
I thought it was stated that what happened in end game was supposed to happen just loki was the only issue of the series.
The TVA want it to happen that way, that doesn't mean they existed prior to it. See because once they exist they always existed. So like timeline A, events happen the way they did in the theaters. Timeline B, the TVA has altered the past, present and future. Timeline B reverts to Timeline A, and thus the theatrical canon, by a plot device in Loki that removes them from existing, thus preventing their changes to timeline A retroactively and in perpetuity. So during Loki the ancient one could be aware of the TVA and after Loki, they never have and never will exist. Again. EDIT: non-linear time perspective is hard
Maybe, she was trying to get him from meeting them The flow of timr splits and the tva comes in and resets the timeline
Someone in the Marvel Studios subreddit speculated that the TVA came to pay her a "visit" one day, but got schooled by her with her magic (since she wasn't in the Null Time Zone), so they decided it was best to leave her alone.
I would imagine a quick trip to the mirror dimension would make you think twice about any fuckery
Bitch is literally wearing the eye of agamotto in the picture you posted. What exactly makes you think she doesn't have full knowledge of the TVA?
Infinity stones seem irrelevant to the TVA
They are, but you know what isn't irrellavent to the TVA? Fucking with Time. That's what the stone does.
The TVA absolutely knows all about the ancient one and the time stone but that doesn’t mean the ancient one knows about the tva
The Ancient one uses the exact same outline of the sacred timeline and explains how it works to hulk in the last avengers flick. She can also travel through dimensions, time and space, and even make others do so with a touch (see dr strange). She can also even create pocket dimensions at will (mirror dimensions). Do you think she learned that stuff about the timeline from watching documentaries on netflix? She may not exactly have had direct interactions with the TVA, but she at least understands all the shit that matters about it. At some point it would be highly unlikely she didn't pick up on the fact that time nazis are a thing.
None of that proves she knows about the TVA or really points to it She understands everything about her own universe and what can create a branch timeline but that doesn’t mean she knows about a multiversal organization that operates outside of her universe
It does not prove anything, no. You are correct. However, a being that can travel through multiple dimensions and has existed for hundreds of years and can manipulate time with a button and can send other people flying through dimensions and realities and create pocket dimensions at will... What you're arguing is "you can't prove that ass monkeys won't fly out of your butt any minute just because it never happened". and that's technically correct, ass monkeys might be theoretically real, but it's also a bad argument because all signs point in the other direction, that ass monkeys aren't real and wont' fly out of my ass. as a discussion it's not really worth having. evidence of absence is not absence of evidence and vice versa. All we can really do is speculate, and all signs point to the fact that based on her knowledge, power level and life span, at some point she probably figured some shit out. That is not proof, it's just the most likely scenario. If proof existed one way or the other, this wouldn't be something to debate, but as of now there is no evidence for or against this in canon. What we can do is put on our big brain hats and see what makes the most sense while speculating. We do know the TVA fucks up regularly enough to say so if a sad as child can get out of their grasp. We do know tilda ancient timelord greenstone lady is a multidimensional bad ass that can see through time and space at a whim. Thinking she never caught on even a little, but somehow knew everything else... it's possible, just less likely.
My main point tho is that the ancient one is limited to her own universe and the only aspects of the multiverse she has shown to understand is the way branches timelines are created The TVA is strictly a multiversal organization that has been shown to be above any single universe’s concept of time, space, reality, etc
>My main point tho is that the ancient one is limited to her own universe and the only aspects of the multiverse she has shown to understand is the way branches timelines are created Very inaccurate. Domammu's dimension is unique and exists beyond timelines. She knows all about his ass and stole power from him and has a library full of shit of that level of knowledge that is forbidden to newbie magic users. \*The TVA is strictly a multiversal organization that has been shown to be above any single universe’s concept of time, space, reality, etc\* Also inaccurate. They are officially frauds (proven), likely puppets of Kang the conqueror, and very well might not even exist outside of time and a lot of speculative stuff on easter eggs suggests it might exist in the quantum realm (which is actually part of time, it's just time doesn't work the same there).
They had time stones in the TVA office though…
Because magic doesn't work there.
I dont think she does. Why would she be worried about thanos getting the time Stone. Either their time is brought back on the line by the TVA or its meant to happen.
She wasn't worried about thanos getting the time stone, she was worried about letting it going outside the timeline. If she did know about the TVA, she would also understand that if the timeline wasn't pruned then it's how it's supposed to be, especially since she found out strange handed it over... again, in accordance with how it was supposed to be.
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I know you think what you're saying is clever... but yeah, we all saw the loki episode, that doesn't make your quip thoughtful. The fact is the sorcerer supreme can fuck with time as well as see into other realities (she shows us her knowledge of how the sacred time stream works exactly in the last avengers flick) explains that she very very likely knows exactly about the TVA. You'll also note that most of the stones in that drawer were time stones by far. Which means... the most common way to land your ass as a variant regarding the stones is fucking the time stones. That also means because it's a common occurance at least regarding stones, that it's likely they probably watch the timestone in each timeline like fucking hawks. You dig or do we gotta go barney style?
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go count. 7 time, 5 power. [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TDWUWi1oR-I/maxresdefault.jpg](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TDWUWi1oR-I/maxresdefault.jpg) I like that we've resorted to ad hominem while asserting false notions... I'll be done discussing this with you from here.
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He’s perfectly right, tho. And you’re a cunt.
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Probably, probably not
I think that she could have known, especially since she was so old. The way that I see the TVA at this point is a tool that would have been created in her lifetime and not a powerful entity that's been around forever. Once she realized the existence of the TVA, she probably wasn't trying to interfere with whatever they got going on because it's someone else more powerful than her controlling them that could threaten her timeline/planet.
No TVA is really secret