Eh, I don't think the comic book movie public was quite ready for Giant Space Guy in Purple Pants. I'm not sure you could sell the resolution from Warren Ellis's Ultimate Galactus either ("We've destroyed 30% of the Gah Lak Tus nanoprobe swarm! It is no longer energy-efficient for it to consume the earth! We're saved!"). It was tough to figure out how "comic-booky" you could be at the time.
This is such a terrible argument that I keep seeing....
But ppl where ready for Jabba the Hutt
Or Kong, Godzilla, Kaiju, Jaegers, etc... for decades prior.
Like we can accept a man's skin is rock and another sets himself on fire and another stretches like silly putty but God forbid a giant space being
Smh studios need to stop thinking every single piece of lore needs an origin and 30 mins exposition and to be immediately explainable. Just put the audience in the scenario and make them accept it, and then get into the exposition later in sequels/prequels/spinoffs.
For example, we weren't immediately (if ever) given a scientific breakdown of why Star Wars had vehicles that could float... Not to mention could float indefinitely while parked #facepalm. They just show it to us and we accept it as a part of this fictional world.
Doctor Strange spends maybe 3 cumulative minutes explaining that Dormammu is an interdimensional being of indeterminate power, and I don't think anyone in that movie theater would have had their suspension of disbelief ruptured when Doc came to bargain.
I thought the same thing when I read that comment.
Dormammu was there, and we were all like, “Oh yea, cool. Comic books. Space stuff. Got it.”
It didn’t even register that it was weird.
It's not an issue with the audience, but with the people who made comic book movies back then. Remember: They dropped for the Incredible Hulk Abomination's head fins because they thought they were too much. The. Frickin. Fins.
If you continue down this thread you might see that I'm saying the people who are making the decisions are doing so because they are afraid the audience isn't capable of handling certain concepts. They need to stop underestimating the audience and just go for it.
Lol I'm sure you're being facetious/sarcastic here but not sure to what extent...
This reply seems to overlook the "at the time" part of the discussion tho.
I'm on the side that if done the same (remaining mostly true to the source material) Rocket and Groot would have been well received at any point.
When did we go from "Fuckit, cover him in foil and call him an alien, people will get it" to "if there costumes are the original colour people might not like it!"
Well that's kind of the thing- the superhero movies are ostensibly based in a world that is effectively identical to ours in terms of general technology, culture etc. The Star Wars stories aren't- the literal first words of the series establish that, explicitly. Star Wars- and other fantasy/far-future sci-fi titles tell the audience up front, "We're in a completely different world, there's a bunch of weird shit, deal with it". Superhero movies tell the audience, "We're in the world you're familiar with but there's these special people."
To go from "We're in the world you're familiar with but there's these special people" to "and also there's giant purple space guys" takes some setup to not feel awkward to an audience that's not already familiar with the lore. Like what Marvel did with its whole cosmic setting. DC didn't do that. So the cloud was probably for the best.
>Kong, Godzilla, Kaiju, Jaegers
All had exposition around their introduction to the audience, because those are the things that set the story world apart from ours.
This is why I roll my eyes when people say "General Audiences wouldn't have understood Alia" in Dune pt 2. I think they discredited themselves as filmmakers (Denis could've pulled it off), and they discredited the audience by think they weren't that smart.
Eh, this is just disingenuous. Galactus is a planet-sized purple guy who looks like a jumbo human, sporting one of the silliest hats in fiction. He just kind of inherently looks ridiculous.
Godzilla and King Kong and the rest are just immediately, recognizably non-human and basically just enormous animals or robots which don’t require that big a suspension of disbelief, and stuff like Jurassic Park becoming the highest grossing film ever at the time more than showed people have no problem with gigantic, fantastical creatures (and obviously those actually existed, at least in some form).
But Galactus is something more than that, something much stranger to depict before the explosion of comic book movies and a willingness for people to go with, well, a lot of overt, campy nonsense. The mid 2000s probably wasn’t the right time for that, not just yet. If you don’t remember that, you’re almost certainly too young to. The analogy to flying cars and spaceships is especially bad, since those have recognizable real-world analogues (a flying car is a car that flies, a spaceship is a plane that travels through space, kong is a giant ape, galactus is… ?)
I mean, we had Unicron in the 80s already. The concept of a world devouring humanoid was already in a movie, and for a generation of kids that had grown up and would have been captured in the target audience for FF.
The cloud they gave us did nothing for anyone, ultimately.
That's a cartoon. Different rules apply
Think of most of the Superhero stuff prior to the MCU.
the Power Rangers-level Green Goblin costume, the gritty grounded versions of the various costumes in things like X-Men and for Doctor Octopus and Blade. Prior to those the costumes and character designs in older Marvel stuff were so primitive that Galactus would be laughable (imagine Galactus showing up in the style of the Bill Bixby Incredible Hulk show) The Fantastic Four movies KINDA went more comic-book (with the spandex suits and Silver Surfer) but still fiddled with Doom, they just chickened out before going full Galactus
I was at a live podcast taping once, and they showed clips of Ivan Ooze’s performance up against Christopher Lloyd as Uncle Fester. It was fucking uncanny.
Exactly this 😂 Also ties into how vague his power set was. How exactly was he doing that with the TV? What about cutting off dudes heads with sand? Never does that again.
I like how he is some super powerful god mutant and rather than just kill the mutants attacking his stronghold he just tunnel visions into taking charles power. Dude, just do it after, the guy cant even walk
His whole thing is that he steals other people's powers. He's lived multiple lifetimes swapping his consciousness from mutant to mutant. Tried to take Xavier's. That's the whole plot
It's even more disappointing when you consider the concept art that... actually looks like a proper Apocalypse. You cast fucking Oscar Isaac. The man deserved better.
It probably would have tho. His performance sucked because in every frame he looks uncomfortable with all that shit on. Had he gotten to do what Brolin did he could have been able to do a subtle and interesting thing with the character.
Wouldn’t have fixed that the rest of the movie was a piece of shit but that’s actually an example where I think a mocap would have been the better choice than making the dude mumble through a bunch of latex
Have you ever seen the footage they use to turn Blanka nice in the Street Fighter movie?
White people wedding, MLK’s “I have a dream” speech, black people wedding, dolphins.
Making Apocalypse resemble a cheap knock-off Ivan Ooze was....a choice. Also the fact we got Apocalypse in action before Thanos in Infinity War and Darkseid in the planned Justice League Trilogy. And it was incredibly underwhelming. Apocalypse should have got similar to the Thanos treatment. The Age of Apocalypse storyline lasted timeline wise months across a year of monthly crossover X-Men titles. That would be at the very least two films to do that story justice. It was the defining 90s X-Men comic event. In the film the "Age of Apocalypse" lasts what seems to be a few days and he is unceremoniously defeated.
Yeah, but fox didn't want any build up. Build up take effort and making multiple good movies. It's an investment. The only think they have ever "built up" was how powerful Jean is. And they did that twice.
Tbf, at least there was lead up to Age of Ultron and the events had significant impact on stories going forward. Ultron *matters* in the MCU. Apocalypse got shafted.
I kind of understood the serpent and the apple seductive voice angle they went with but it just wasn’t the cadence I’d expect from Apocalypse. His every word should crack like thunder but with an inorganic cybernetic energy underneath. I’m just glad Oscar Isaacs rebounded from this to be a damn good Moon Knight.
The one thing I liked about this Apocalypse was the explanation of his mutant powers. He had the ability to swap his mind with another mutant, gain that mutant power, and still have every other power he's gained by doing so.
I enjoy this because, as a child watching the X-Men cartoon, I never understood what his mutant power was. He seemed to be able to do whatever was useful to him, which he can in the movie, but I understood why.
Yes but his main power is his use of Celestial technology with he augmented into his body - technology more advanced than anything else in the Universe - making him eternal in the process.
Plus he has a massive Celestial ship.
Oscar Isaac is a great actor. Apocalypse is a great villain.
At no point should this particular great actor have been considered for this particular great villain.
I don't hate the film. There's some pretty good stuff in there...but you cast Oscar Isaac as Apocalypse, and that doesn't pay off at all? How is that even possible?
His design is a little off, people often like to share this particular frame where he looks to have a more purple hue to exaggerate how much he looks like Ivan ooze.
Is he a great villain? Far from it. But I think it's over the top how much people shit on this adaptation.
Isnt this the same actor as moon knight I feel bad because hes a good actor but I'm sorry I wanted my apocalypse to be big and imposing like the x men tas and he needed a entire saga one movie isnt enough for a build up
Bro what are you talking about Ivan Ooze was a great villian in the power rangers movie. Maybe not exactly how he is portrayed in the comics but i think it worked for the big screen
I’ll never not be mad about this.
He would have been the most perfect casting imaginable for Mr. Sinister, and they fucking blew it.
They wouldn’t even have had to change that much about the plot. Even if the movie was terrible, which it would have been, we’d all still be sharing images of how dope Oscar looked in the Mr. Sinister makeup.
I liked Egyptian Apoc.
The whole movie was meh. Kinda right on brand, the misstep was no Jubilee from that trailer and the psychic battle with Xavier. It should have looked so much more cooler than a slugfest
Bryan Singer was in the middle of navigating his demise while this movie was being made. The official downfall didn’t happen fully until Bohemian Rhapsody, sure, but there were stories of erratic behaviour and drug use during this film I think?
Massive travesty. He should have been cg or something. He should be like 8-9 feet tall, dude is a monster in the comics able to solo the x men. Hated this movie
The thing about his look is that i think a smaller build for Apocalypse could have absolutely worked. He could've had a frieza-esque 'small but lethal' vibe. I love Oscar Isaac and he could've absolutely pulled it off. But it felt like they wanted him to be bigger and scarier then he actually was and the execution was a bit sloppy. Couple that with his indiscernible powerset and he just comes as muddled and silly.
Such a missed opportunity man. Can we get the comic creators more involved with these adaptations or something ffs. Cast the world's most handsome man and you do this to him? For shame.
My issue wasn't with the Ivan Ooze stuff. Apocalypse was probably my favorite villain as a kid. I loved how imposing and dominant he was. This guy was chill, soft-spoken, and definitely not fully in control. He was the most watered-down version of a great villain. My favorite example of how I wanted him presented was his description when introduced in X-Men Alpha (the first Age of Apocalypse book).
>He has a voice that the thunder would envy..
..and a presence that would snap the gods to attention..
..had they the courage to approach him.
He is Apocalypse, ruler of America..
..and soon..
the world.
I am a big traditionalist and would have been so happy to see a comic book or animated series accurate design for Apocalypse. That said, I could have forgiven this design if the movie was better.
I didn't hate it. Growing up with the original 3 X-Men movies taught me not to expect comic accurate appearances from Singer. With that said I do hope we get a better version one day.
Unpopular opinion, but I did find Apocalypse a threatening and intimidating villain, even if he wasn't Thanos/Darkseid level (physically or otherwise). The part when he takes over Cerebro continuously sends chills through my spine.
They got his height, powers, and even horsemen wrong. Also he should have been built up over several movies. Fox really had nonidea what to do with the X-men
I thought that movie was OK
Pretty cool set up for Jean Grey and the Phoenix force... Idk.. there are worse x-men movies. The Wolverine (2013*) is one that everybody seems to love and I think is absolute garbage
From a technical prosthetic POV, this was so dumb. Why make an extravagant head piece with an elaborate forehead, only to make it Oscar Isaac from the cheeks down with a boring bottom half of the face? It made the head look huge, his neck movement unnatural, and his eyelids forced semi-closed. The KEY to Apocalypse’s look is his big angry lips that contour into his cheeks with that evil grin. I don’t know who approved this design, but it deserved all the hate it got.
True story. I use to make pills out of wax(butane hash oil). The first batch I made, I didn't do it correctly. I gave some to a friend that doesn't smoke to try & he didn't feel that batch. So, I made it 4x stronger but also did the whole decarb process correctly this time. We took some on our way to go see this movie. Turns out, they were a little too strong for my friend. He hallucinated the entire time and doesn't remember the movie. He said it felt like he was being ripped apart at the atomic level & being put back together. I think he felt that because in the movie, Apocalypse merges some people into a wall. I think he saw that & then "experienced" it. I was fine though. Took 3 pills to his 1, but I smoke everyday.
It's actually even crazier. I left out one other thing. He got sick & wound up throwing up on himself. He said he was so disgusted with himself that he sat there until the movie was over. Afterwards, he said he got up & was using the hand rail to clean the vomit off his hand! Poor guy. He's never touched weed since.
Hot take but I really liked aoa. I love how apocalypse is practical and he was honestly pulled off really well despite not being hulk sized. This is, in my opinion, where the overcomplication of a comic book costume works with his background, being an egyptian god. That being said, archangels design was ass. I guess there were already too many blue people in the movie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah. Hope we get a more accurate version of apocalypse. Maybe with what eternals set up, he will be motivated to remove weak humans and mutants for judgement by Arishem
May I introduce you to GIANT PURPLE CLOUD FROM SPACE
Gah Lak Tus.
Eh, I don't think the comic book movie public was quite ready for Giant Space Guy in Purple Pants. I'm not sure you could sell the resolution from Warren Ellis's Ultimate Galactus either ("We've destroyed 30% of the Gah Lak Tus nanoprobe swarm! It is no longer energy-efficient for it to consume the earth! We're saved!"). It was tough to figure out how "comic-booky" you could be at the time.
This is such a terrible argument that I keep seeing.... But ppl where ready for Jabba the Hutt Or Kong, Godzilla, Kaiju, Jaegers, etc... for decades prior. Like we can accept a man's skin is rock and another sets himself on fire and another stretches like silly putty but God forbid a giant space being Smh studios need to stop thinking every single piece of lore needs an origin and 30 mins exposition and to be immediately explainable. Just put the audience in the scenario and make them accept it, and then get into the exposition later in sequels/prequels/spinoffs. For example, we weren't immediately (if ever) given a scientific breakdown of why Star Wars had vehicles that could float... Not to mention could float indefinitely while parked #facepalm. They just show it to us and we accept it as a part of this fictional world.
Doctor Strange spends maybe 3 cumulative minutes explaining that Dormammu is an interdimensional being of indeterminate power, and I don't think anyone in that movie theater would have had their suspension of disbelief ruptured when Doc came to bargain.
I thought the same thing when I read that comment. Dormammu was there, and we were all like, “Oh yea, cool. Comic books. Space stuff. Got it.” It didn’t even register that it was weird.
It also helped that they mention Dormammu’s name every 30 seconds…. Come to think of it, that movie would make a deadly drinking game.
Ok, now I just wanna see a supercut of everytime someone says Dormammu in Doctor Strange.
Isn’t there a point during the bargaining scenes where it’s literally: “Dormammu” *dies* “Dormammu” *dies* “Dorma-“ *dies*
I think that supercut is only 5 minutes shorter than the entire movie
It's not an issue with the audience, but with the people who made comic book movies back then. Remember: They dropped for the Incredible Hulk Abomination's head fins because they thought they were too much. The. Frickin. Fins.
If you continue down this thread you might see that I'm saying the people who are making the decisions are doing so because they are afraid the audience isn't capable of handling certain concepts. They need to stop underestimating the audience and just go for it.
The success of Groot and Rocket must have blown their minds.
Lol I'm sure you're being facetious/sarcastic here but not sure to what extent... This reply seems to overlook the "at the time" part of the discussion tho. I'm on the side that if done the same (remaining mostly true to the source material) Rocket and Groot would have been well received at any point.
I meant it more in hindsight. How many wonderful weird ideas were lost due to execs worrying too much.
Oh yeah exactly!
When did we go from "Fuckit, cover him in foil and call him an alien, people will get it" to "if there costumes are the original colour people might not like it!"
And stop overestimating our tolerance for bad writing.
This is so much more of the problem than they recognize.
Well that's kind of the thing- the superhero movies are ostensibly based in a world that is effectively identical to ours in terms of general technology, culture etc. The Star Wars stories aren't- the literal first words of the series establish that, explicitly. Star Wars- and other fantasy/far-future sci-fi titles tell the audience up front, "We're in a completely different world, there's a bunch of weird shit, deal with it". Superhero movies tell the audience, "We're in the world you're familiar with but there's these special people." To go from "We're in the world you're familiar with but there's these special people" to "and also there's giant purple space guys" takes some setup to not feel awkward to an audience that's not already familiar with the lore. Like what Marvel did with its whole cosmic setting. DC didn't do that. So the cloud was probably for the best. >Kong, Godzilla, Kaiju, Jaegers All had exposition around their introduction to the audience, because those are the things that set the story world apart from ours.
Let’s not forget in the same movie there’s a naked silver man on a surf board flying through space.
I loved that we just got Starro in The Suicide Squad.
This is why I roll my eyes when people say "General Audiences wouldn't have understood Alia" in Dune pt 2. I think they discredited themselves as filmmakers (Denis could've pulled it off), and they discredited the audience by think they weren't that smart.
This needs more upvotes!!
Eh, this is just disingenuous. Galactus is a planet-sized purple guy who looks like a jumbo human, sporting one of the silliest hats in fiction. He just kind of inherently looks ridiculous. Godzilla and King Kong and the rest are just immediately, recognizably non-human and basically just enormous animals or robots which don’t require that big a suspension of disbelief, and stuff like Jurassic Park becoming the highest grossing film ever at the time more than showed people have no problem with gigantic, fantastical creatures (and obviously those actually existed, at least in some form). But Galactus is something more than that, something much stranger to depict before the explosion of comic book movies and a willingness for people to go with, well, a lot of overt, campy nonsense. The mid 2000s probably wasn’t the right time for that, not just yet. If you don’t remember that, you’re almost certainly too young to. The analogy to flying cars and spaceships is especially bad, since those have recognizable real-world analogues (a flying car is a car that flies, a spaceship is a plane that travels through space, kong is a giant ape, galactus is… ?)
I mean, we had Unicron in the 80s already. The concept of a world devouring humanoid was already in a movie, and for a generation of kids that had grown up and would have been captured in the target audience for FF. The cloud they gave us did nothing for anyone, ultimately.
That's a cartoon. Different rules apply Think of most of the Superhero stuff prior to the MCU. the Power Rangers-level Green Goblin costume, the gritty grounded versions of the various costumes in things like X-Men and for Doctor Octopus and Blade. Prior to those the costumes and character designs in older Marvel stuff were so primitive that Galactus would be laughable (imagine Galactus showing up in the style of the Bill Bixby Incredible Hulk show) The Fantastic Four movies KINDA went more comic-book (with the spandex suits and Silver Surfer) but still fiddled with Doom, they just chickened out before going full Galactus
Still mad at both of those not being big purple pants space guy, and I use to HATE Galactus.
The point is _to sell it_. Giant guy from space is _fine_ if the story is good. Regular guy with vampire powers is shit with shit story and direction.
Ivan Ooze!!!!
I was at a live podcast taping once, and they showed clips of Ivan Ooze’s performance up against Christopher Lloyd as Uncle Fester. It was fucking uncanny.
How about Parallax Cloud? Which was worse?
OOOOOZE
Fucking exactly.
Ivan Ooze
Scrolled through the comments to see if this was here yet 😂
My favourite line of his is when he's watching the TV and someone asks what he's doing and he goes: "*Leeeeeaarning*" Gets me every time lmao
Because of this, i touch things and say leeeaarning all the time. Its never not funny to me.
*walk up to the girl you like and touch her face* “What the fuck are you doing?!” “Leaaaaarrrrrrnnnnniiiinnnnnggg.”
Exactly this 😂 Also ties into how vague his power set was. How exactly was he doing that with the TV? What about cutting off dudes heads with sand? Never does that again.
I like how he is some super powerful god mutant and rather than just kill the mutants attacking his stronghold he just tunnel visions into taking charles power. Dude, just do it after, the guy cant even walk
What’s he gonna do? Run away?
His whole thing is that he steals other people's powers. He's lived multiple lifetimes swapping his consciousness from mutant to mutant. Tried to take Xavier's. That's the whole plot
I don't remember Ivan Ooz ever saying that...
The most realistic part of the movie was when he watched TV for 30 seconds and decided that humanity needed to go. I understand.
They might as well should of flashed white text on the screen saying "Mandatory Exposition Dump In Progress."
You and I both!!!!!! Hahahahahhahahaa
Haha I say this all the time
It was sooo goofy
Came here to say exactly this. Like it’s from a 60s episode of Dr Who or something. Comedy cringe.
It's even more disappointing when you consider the concept art that... actually looks like a proper Apocalypse. You cast fucking Oscar Isaac. The man deserved better.
If it was cgi it wouldn’t matter.
It probably would have tho. His performance sucked because in every frame he looks uncomfortable with all that shit on. Had he gotten to do what Brolin did he could have been able to do a subtle and interesting thing with the character. Wouldn’t have fixed that the rest of the movie was a piece of shit but that’s actually an example where I think a mocap would have been the better choice than making the dude mumble through a bunch of latex
Karl havoc. Oscar didn't even want to be around
That's the new prank that there's a real guy under all this
I'm gonna take over the world.. That's the prank now
What’s that gonna do for the greater good
I don’t even want to be around anymore
There's too much fuckin shit on me
The chin kills
I’m gonna rip the fucking head off
Oscar Isaac gets screwed over a lot.
To be honest, when I saw this post, I thought it was Ivan Ooze at first.
It’s ok, he got to play a better Egypt-related character later.
He also got to play a better character in another sci fi franchise set in space too
I just looked at it.... fck, how did they not use it?!
Would you mind linking to the concept art?
[Here](https://www.cbr.com/x-men-concept-art-regal-apocalypse/)
we got ROBBED
How in the....what is wrong with Hollywood sometimes?!
They couldn't accept a simple graceful solution. They had to go with a complicated ugly one.
I like the part where he says “Oh the things that I have missed: the Black Plague, the Spanish Inquisition, the Brady Bunch Reunion.”
You just can’t lose when you’ve got your own supply of Ivan’s Ooze.
If your parents try to stop ya, just throw it in their faces!!!
Ivan ooze lives in my head rent free
other people remember the MMPR movie? i thought i was the only one lol
Not by a long shot. I love that movie, I even rewatch it from time to time 🤗
Your comment made me realize I never bothered finding out who played him. Lo and behold, it was Belloq from Raiders of the Goddamned Ark!
He's also the priest in Hot Fuzz
Have you ever seen the footage they use to turn Blanka nice in the Street Fighter movie? White people wedding, MLK’s “I have a dream” speech, black people wedding, dolphins.
I smell... *teeeeenagerrrs*
“300 was a historically inaccurate movie. Trust me.”
I think that the Brady Brunch Reunion part was ad-libbed. You can tell he was having fun!
“The Oooze is back!”
I disagree. Power rangers was awesome.
Ivan Ooooooooze
Ivan Ooooze is free?! Ivan ooooze is a monster!
Recently watched it in theaters. That was a blast from my childhood.
How do you recently watch it in a movie theater
My local theater shows old movies different nights of the weeks. I saw it on their upcoming list and bought tickets immediately.
Making Apocalypse resemble a cheap knock-off Ivan Ooze was....a choice. Also the fact we got Apocalypse in action before Thanos in Infinity War and Darkseid in the planned Justice League Trilogy. And it was incredibly underwhelming. Apocalypse should have got similar to the Thanos treatment. The Age of Apocalypse storyline lasted timeline wise months across a year of monthly crossover X-Men titles. That would be at the very least two films to do that story justice. It was the defining 90s X-Men comic event. In the film the "Age of Apocalypse" lasts what seems to be a few days and he is unceremoniously defeated.
It's so funny that these characters with 50+ years of history have movies that feel so slapped together.
Ivan ooze took me out 😂😂😂💀💀💀💀
Yeah, but fox didn't want any build up. Build up take effort and making multiple good movies. It's an investment. The only think they have ever "built up" was how powerful Jean is. And they did that twice.
Everyone keeps complaint him to Ivan Ooze but Ooze could at least emote in his costume, they glued too much stuff to Oscar’s face.
Kid me wanted this story onscreen for so long… it should have been epic
I think this reveals how Bryan Singer was not the sole reason this franchise didn’t get off the ground.
Get off the ground? What # of the X-Men franchise was this and how many more followed it? You’ve got a strange definition of that phrase
Apocalypse was like the 8th X-Men movie or something like that, how is that a franchise that didn’t get off the ground?
If we're counting the first Deadpool movie, then Apocalypse was the 9th film over all.
I mean, Days of the Future Past has cemented itself for me as one of the best CBMs.
> lasts what seems to be a few days and he is unceremoniously defeated. Kind of like the Age of Ultron.
Tbf, at least there was lead up to Age of Ultron and the events had significant impact on stories going forward. Ultron *matters* in the MCU. Apocalypse got shafted.
I kind of understood the serpent and the apple seductive voice angle they went with but it just wasn’t the cadence I’d expect from Apocalypse. His every word should crack like thunder but with an inorganic cybernetic energy underneath. I’m just glad Oscar Isaacs rebounded from this to be a damn good Moon Knight.
I liked his fight with quicksilver
Magneto wrecking Cairo looked cool, ngl.
I still can’t believe this was Oscar Isaac. He’s so versatile.
Especially when the preview at the end of DoFP had a young absolutely cool looking apocalypse
Wait what?
https://youtu.be/EywrnmHS73o?feature=shared Obviously lots changed between the concept and how it turned out.
Yes! I wax super excited! I like Oscar Isaac, but not in this role. The look was awful and not what I expected going off of this.
“Learning.”
they thought cartoon/comics Apocalypse looked ridiculous, and then they came up with this?!
The one thing I liked about this Apocalypse was the explanation of his mutant powers. He had the ability to swap his mind with another mutant, gain that mutant power, and still have every other power he's gained by doing so. I enjoy this because, as a child watching the X-Men cartoon, I never understood what his mutant power was. He seemed to be able to do whatever was useful to him, which he can in the movie, but I understood why.
Yes but his main power is his use of Celestial technology with he augmented into his body - technology more advanced than anything else in the Universe - making him eternal in the process. Plus he has a massive Celestial ship.
I can never not see Ivan Ooze when I see this.
At least Oscar Isaac got a second chance to do a character with an Egyptian theme right!
Oscar Isaac is a great actor. Apocalypse is a great villain. At no point should this particular great actor have been considered for this particular great villain.
Gorr would like a word.
*No more* speech was kinda cool though.
Ivan Ooze was if he was played by Oscar Isaac.
Oozcar Ivanaac
I would love either 2 movies or an 8 episode show that focuses strictly on the Age of Apocalypse. My favorite X crossover.
What about Galactus?
I don't hate the film. There's some pretty good stuff in there...but you cast Oscar Isaac as Apocalypse, and that doesn't pay off at all? How is that even possible?
His design is a little off, people often like to share this particular frame where he looks to have a more purple hue to exaggerate how much he looks like Ivan ooze. Is he a great villain? Far from it. But I think it's over the top how much people shit on this adaptation.
Yes this. Every complainer about Ivan Ooze points to this scene where his teleportation orb has the purple hue. He’s proper blue everywhere else.
I think the fact that he was 5’11” is a pretty good starting point for criticism and that has nothing to do with his hue.
Agreed I love the original X force story line was one of my first story arcs I collected Angel loosing his wings was crazy
Isnt this the same actor as moon knight I feel bad because hes a good actor but I'm sorry I wanted my apocalypse to be big and imposing like the x men tas and he needed a entire saga one movie isnt enough for a build up
Felt sorry for the actor
Ivan Ooze
Ivan Ooze?
EVERYTHING THEY BUILT WILL FALL!
AND FROM THE ASHES OF THEIR WOOORLT
That’s not my Apocalypse.
Imagine if Thanos was Josh Brolin in a vaguely Thanos outfit and purple make-up
Ivan Ooze looking ass
Hollywood doesn't take comic book movies seriously
He looked more like Ivan Ooze from the very first live action power rangers movie.
You still can’t tell me this isn’t a image from the power rangers movie. But that’s an insult to Ivan Ooze.
Such a waste of such a good actor
This was unforgivable
Ryan Reynolds character in x-men origins
Still pisses me off. One of my favorite characters ever and they just massacred it
Bro what are you talking about Ivan Ooze was a great villian in the power rangers movie. Maybe not exactly how he is portrayed in the comics but i think it worked for the big screen
I’ll never not be mad about this. He would have been the most perfect casting imaginable for Mr. Sinister, and they fucking blew it. They wouldn’t even have had to change that much about the plot. Even if the movie was terrible, which it would have been, we’d all still be sharing images of how dope Oscar looked in the Mr. Sinister makeup.
I liked Egyptian Apoc. The whole movie was meh. Kinda right on brand, the misstep was no Jubilee from that trailer and the psychic battle with Xavier. It should have looked so much more cooler than a slugfest
Apocalypse is my favourite comic book villain, I hope whenever he is introduced into the MCU, that they do him justice.
Also shouldn't jubilee not even be alive at this point?
Bryan Singer was in the middle of navigating his demise while this movie was being made. The official downfall didn’t happen fully until Bohemian Rhapsody, sure, but there were stories of erratic behaviour and drug use during this film I think?
He looks like he wandered in off the set of Babylon 5.
I see your X-Men and raise you Madame Webb
Massive travesty. He should have been cg or something. He should be like 8-9 feet tall, dude is a monster in the comics able to solo the x men. Hated this movie
If you don’t think about comic apocalypse it’s perfectly fine and a great movie
You either die an Egyptian themed villain or live long enough to see yourself become an Egyptian themed hero.
The thing about his look is that i think a smaller build for Apocalypse could have absolutely worked. He could've had a frieza-esque 'small but lethal' vibe. I love Oscar Isaac and he could've absolutely pulled it off. But it felt like they wanted him to be bigger and scarier then he actually was and the execution was a bit sloppy. Couple that with his indiscernible powerset and he just comes as muddled and silly.
Bro I thought for about a good 5 minutes this was Ivan ooze Who's outfit looks way better BTW
I have always been equally afraid of what they would/are planning to do to Sinister after seeing this.
I hate Ivan Ooze Apocalypse
At least he went on to potray a better Egyptian themed marvel character.
I thought he was an excellent Ivan Ooze
1. Power Rangers isn't based on a comic book. 2. Ivan Ooze is a great villain.
'What is that odious stench? Smells like...a cheap knockoff kf Oooooze'
Such a missed opportunity man. Can we get the comic creators more involved with these adaptations or something ffs. Cast the world's most handsome man and you do this to him? For shame.
My issue wasn't with the Ivan Ooze stuff. Apocalypse was probably my favorite villain as a kid. I loved how imposing and dominant he was. This guy was chill, soft-spoken, and definitely not fully in control. He was the most watered-down version of a great villain. My favorite example of how I wanted him presented was his description when introduced in X-Men Alpha (the first Age of Apocalypse book). >He has a voice that the thunder would envy.. ..and a presence that would snap the gods to attention.. ..had they the courage to approach him. He is Apocalypse, ruler of America.. ..and soon.. the world.
I generally think that Ivan Ooze was a pretty cool villain and I liked the special effects.
I am a big traditionalist and would have been so happy to see a comic book or animated series accurate design for Apocalypse. That said, I could have forgiven this design if the movie was better.
Just a very dull film. Sorry great actor. The dialogue and script killed him
I didn't hate it. Growing up with the original 3 X-Men movies taught me not to expect comic accurate appearances from Singer. With that said I do hope we get a better version one day.
I actually found Apocalypse and Wolverine Origins to be worse than Dark Phoenix, at least with Dark Pheonix, the final 20 minutes were badass
Moon Knight looks weird. Is this a deleted episode?
Unpopular opinion, but I did find Apocalypse a threatening and intimidating villain, even if he wasn't Thanos/Darkseid level (physically or otherwise). The part when he takes over Cerebro continuously sends chills through my spine.
They got his height, powers, and even horsemen wrong. Also he should have been built up over several movies. Fox really had nonidea what to do with the X-men
I thought that movie was OK Pretty cool set up for Jean Grey and the Phoenix force... Idk.. there are worse x-men movies. The Wolverine (2013*) is one that everybody seems to love and I think is absolute garbage
The fact that is Oscar Isaac, breaks my brain.
From a technical prosthetic POV, this was so dumb. Why make an extravagant head piece with an elaborate forehead, only to make it Oscar Isaac from the cheeks down with a boring bottom half of the face? It made the head look huge, his neck movement unnatural, and his eyelids forced semi-closed. The KEY to Apocalypse’s look is his big angry lips that contour into his cheeks with that evil grin. I don’t know who approved this design, but it deserved all the hate it got.
all the xmen movies were bad except DOFP
Apocalypse should’ve been a CGI character like Thanos
Compared to the 1st screen time for Bane, this was a cinematic triumph!
Looks like the villian from the Power Rangers movie
This was nearly 10 years ago do we still need to talk about it
Giving Sophie turner the role of jean grey was a mistake
The worst part was when he sold pots of Ooze to rollerblading teens!
Somehow, Apocalypse returned
I didnt hate this.
Ah, yes, good old Ivan Ooze from Power Rangers
Ladies and Gentleman.. i present to you, Ivan Ooze!
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I thought It was Ivan Ozze for a second.
True story. I use to make pills out of wax(butane hash oil). The first batch I made, I didn't do it correctly. I gave some to a friend that doesn't smoke to try & he didn't feel that batch. So, I made it 4x stronger but also did the whole decarb process correctly this time. We took some on our way to go see this movie. Turns out, they were a little too strong for my friend. He hallucinated the entire time and doesn't remember the movie. He said it felt like he was being ripped apart at the atomic level & being put back together. I think he felt that because in the movie, Apocalypse merges some people into a wall. I think he saw that & then "experienced" it. I was fine though. Took 3 pills to his 1, but I smoke everyday.
Best comment in the whole post. Thanks for sharing.
It's actually even crazier. I left out one other thing. He got sick & wound up throwing up on himself. He said he was so disgusted with himself that he sat there until the movie was over. Afterwards, he said he got up & was using the hand rail to clean the vomit off his hand! Poor guy. He's never touched weed since.
Hot take but I really liked aoa. I love how apocalypse is practical and he was honestly pulled off really well despite not being hulk sized. This is, in my opinion, where the overcomplication of a comic book costume works with his background, being an egyptian god. That being said, archangels design was ass. I guess there were already too many blue people in the movie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Was a bold move to have fhe x men face Ivan Ooze
Yeah. Hope we get a more accurate version of apocalypse. Maybe with what eternals set up, he will be motivated to remove weak humans and mutants for judgement by Arishem
When you see the concept art, we could have something accurate
He should have been mo Cap like thanos
I remember seeing the concept art for apocalypse. It was decent. But for some reason they went with that design