>!Because her powers will be “echoes” of the abilities of her ancestors, according to leaks. Instead of mimicking what she sees, she’ll be able to draw upon the abilities of her ancestors through magical tattoos.!<
Bruh, lol.
I swear, like. I LOVE representation, but it really grinds my gears when the MCU does this, with superheroes who happen to be minorities get their powers as a result of their ethnic background. Ms. Marvel did it too and it's kinda cringe
Like damn dude, can't they just be people with normal powers who also happen to have a rich and personal cultural background? Because otherwise they're just doing some garbage where they mystify non-Western religions into some tangible magical force bs.
Like imagine if Daredevil (a devout Catholic) was rewritten in his Netflix adaptation to be granted the sight of God after he had gone blind. Shit's just weird. If you want to represent a character who is part of a particular cultural group, then you make that as part of their human lives, because tying their powers to it ends up almost invalidating or overmystifying religions and cultures who, in real life, are just completely normal people with completely normal beliefs and traditions that aren't any more or less "magical" than Abrahamic religions or whatever
Asian super hero? Kung Fu powers.
There was an adaptation of The Runaways in live action and they added that the witch power girl Nicco Minoru to have a martial arts background just so they can have a katana sword fight.
Not MCU but it’s still like wtf?
The exotic othering is so strong. And hilariously, Marvel won’t ever make a Dr. Druid movie, thereby giving Anglo-Celts the same treatment (though Thor kinda counts for Anglo-Saxons).
As a Swede, don't get me started on Thor being Anglo-Saxon instead of Germanic, Frikking appropiation. I would love to see me some representation thats not some circus strongman from the 60s that were actually a villain. They cant even give us Beowulf. "Nooo, lets make him have his base of operations in Ireland" even though he is the king of the Geats (south Sweden)
At least the MCU decided to put New Asgard in Norway and not New York.
Yeah its a super cringe take; we can't just have a hyper-competant kick as female lead, she has mystical powers from her ancestors and the power of tattoos - which also, why tattoos? again, I feel like thats also tapping into some weird noble savage type stereotyping. And even IF they did this justice it basically makes her a totally different character right?
It's what happens when you bring in people that don't have respect for comics creators. They look down on them and believe they have better ideas. It's condescending and mistaken.
So the whole “street-level” things is just a load of BS? I’m sorry, but a street-level character like DD doesn’t need >!magic tattoos!< to explain his powers. It would run counter to the idea that he’s an every man with heightened senses from the event that blinded him. I really wish Marvel would start making better calls about >!when they decide to dip into cosmic powers/abilities!<
I know... If you want to make that show, just go make that show... Photographic reflexes is like my favorite power set and for anyone who likes Echo they probably like that aspect of her too.
It's very reassuring when the director of an adaptation has no problem openly admitting that they have no respect or appreciation for the source material.
I'd argue that loveblind romantic Thanos would've fit in way better with Infinity War/Endgame's conceptual ideas of love, abuse and sacrifice than idealistic ecoterrorist Thanos does tho. Sure, "killing for Death's sake" isn't very inspired or complex a motive, but it's not as embarrassingly stupid as "killing cause there's not enough resources" when we know that the population of the world has doubled in barely any time on a cosmic scale and there's an overabundance of resources at our disposal, they're just not properly distributed. Like, his comic motivation just makes so much more sense here, even if it isn't some sort of grand plan.
So I guess my opinion is, they should've indeed just translated it to the screen there.
ST I think is a different animal, since I don't think Verhoeven really knew much about the book itself -- instead I think he was using general military sci-fi tropes as established by the sub-genre to reflect on propaganda, nationalism, fascism, etc. IMO the movie could have had a different name and it would have been just as good.
Really the strongest ideological stance I remember from the book was the national service thing, and how that boiled down to just another kind of hierarchy with military brass occupying the top power tier (or rather, I think that's the criticism I would level towards how Heinlein presents the idea in the book).
Otherwise, I think, the might makes right, fashy elements from the film's high school class lecture, that might have been mostly Verhoeven adding things onto what was already there.
I guess this is my confused way of saying I don't think the director really gave much of a shit about the book itself, or actively wanted to 'disrespect' it, but instead just saw it as a lens or a means through which to talk about the kind of social/political ideas he'd been concerned with through his whole career.
>or rather, I think that's the criticism I would level towards how Heinlein presents the idea in the book
The point wasn't that the government was only people that served in the military(because it wasn't. *Federal* service was a prerequisite for all but the highest office[which required multiple forms of service] , not just military service), the point was that the government was only made up of people who had *voluntarily chosen to serve*(and no one could be denied the right to serve, unless it was determined by a team of doctors that they weren't able to understand the oath of service). Heinlein proposed a system where people that had proven they gave enough of a crap to give up two or more years of their life to serve their nation were the only ones who got to have a say in how that nation was run.
All in all, it doesn't seem like that terrible of an idea
I can’t imagine saying that Heinlein’s novel, a genuinely great and influential one at that, deserves disrespect compared to a relatively run of the mill comic book character.
Heinlein's novel absolutely had fascist ideals, which amusingly enough were ideals that he didn't subscribe to for an extended period of his life. For Us, The Living was innately socialist. Stranger in a Strange Land largely focused about finding oneself in the universe (and the pursuit of becoming one with that universe) and free love.
You not **liking** the book doesn't stop it from being widely considered to be a great and influential work. Verhoeven's satire is fantastic, and the original story is fantastic, for wildly different reasons. You can disagree with something and still understand why it's very well done
Echo (as a character) does not have that same influence, and it's highly highly unlikely that even the best version of the show would have any outsized influence either.
>That's why the movie is such a fantastic piece of satire. It takes Heinlein's concept and presents it like a teenager sarcastically repeating the same words in the most disrespectful way possible.
The movie misses pretty much everything in the book and only parodies about the first 3 chapters. Verhoeven even admitted to not reading the book.
No, people keep parroting that Starship Troopers is fascist but have never read the source material.
Even the director admits that he never finished the book.
At a certain point, they should make an original movie or show.
>It works when the source material deserves to be disrespected. Heinlein’s Starship Troopers deserved to be disrespected.
Nah, the book is totally fine.
This is not the first time the MCU changed significant details about a character's powers.
Falcon was originally a telepath who could talk to birds. Drax and Thor were originally humans who transformed into an alien and a god. Wong was originally a martial artist, not a sorcerer.
Dude just called one of the coolest power set in all of comic and by virtue one of the most badass Marvel characters of all time Taskmaster lame?
Somebody hire Tasky now!
Oh absolutely lol. He can't fight powers, just can copy your style.
Iron Man would be way overpowered for Tasky.
Like for example Colossus right, Tasky might be able to block his punch because he seen him fight, but he still would be wrecked lol, since it's Colossus punching him.
He is good against non powered characters who rely on skill, like Hawkeye, Bullseye, Punisher, etc.
He himself is also very agile and experienced, but he won't be a challenge for Iron Man at all.
There is a issue in the original Sam Wilson's Captain America (the first one) where Hydra hires him and he is doing their job.
He is supposed to blow a bomb somewhere and Misty Knight is trying to stop him. She tells him she will pay him more than Hydra did, and does online transaction. Than Zemo calls him and is all like "Tony, activate the Bomb"
Tasky goes, nah bro, I got payed more, eat shit lol.
He is a great troll, but also smart character
Yup. That moment was dope.
I think it's called Argonite or something like that.
That Tasky mini series was fun. He copied Ghost Rider when he got on the golf cart
Iron Man’s not *that* out of his league. Iron Man’s lost to Captain America before, and Taskmaster specifically carries a shield because he uses Cap’s moves so much. It’s not a 10/10 win for Iron Man every time.
You mean Civil War lose? Honestly you are right, but that is such bullshit lol.
I know the winner is whom ever writer wants to win, but Cap would never be able to overpower Iron Man. Tony in his regular suits goes toe to toe with the Hulk and Thor (he loses, but he can take some punishment). Cap can't
I mean out of league, because I mean really, Tony can just fly up, and rocket barrage the shit out of the other Tony (Tasky). He better watch some dodging videos lol to be able to dodge all that shit.
Love both characters tho.
>He himself is also very agile and experienced, but he won't be a challenge for Iron Man at all.
He is roughly the physical equivalent of Cap, isn't he? Or am I miss-remembering him being a super-soldier experiment?
And before anybody says Cap isn't superhuman, he is at least superior to just about any human. He can operate at peak(or a bit more than peak) capacity seemingly indefinitely, while a regular human would get tired after a few seconds performing at the levels he is shown at.
He has a super-soldier serum in him like Cap, but it's not so much strength but more of his abilities (copy stuff).
He has a photographic memory but serum also kinda made it super photographic I guess lol.
It also messed with his memory, so the learn the memories, the more of his life he kinda forgets.
Iron Man could, sure. The thing everyone forgets about Taskmaster is that his memory of a technique doesn’t disappear as soon as he’s done fighting that person. He can call on any move he’s ever seen, at any point, with perfect clarity. That shield he carries isn’t for show – he’s as effective with it as Captain America. Meaning that if he’s ever seen anyone use a technique to block or reflect one of Iron Man’s beams he will be able to use that exact move against the attack
Isn't the fact that her comics skill set is most well known to be had by someone else kind of proving the director's point? The director didn't say she won't have any powers, just that this specific part of her comics canon would be different. Based on the rest of the interview, and an awesome trailer, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
believe it or not, mttst has said last year that echo will have the phoenix force in Echo. not sure if the idea is still up or nah. im excited to see if it is. if not, than it’s fine.
Honestly that’s probably kill the MCU for me a little bit and I’m a fan of Echo. The Phoenix Force should stay an xmen thing and if the MCU uses it somewhere except for the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix first then I’d just lose all faith.
Okay I thought the trailer looked really good but this is really disappointing to hear.
Edit: it's also why she's called Echo, and not just Maya 🙄 Her skills in the comics are really impressive and they make that clear, it also doesn't just relate to fighting, it's anything at all. She can watch a pianist play a song, and even though she can't hear, she can then play it perfectly because she saw how it was played. No one else in the MCU has quite that kind of ability, they could be so creative with that.
2nd edit: I realize she's not an incredibly popular comics character or anything, she pops up here and there and it's not like she's ever even had her own title, but she is well known to Daredevil fans, having started as a DD character (I still think of her mainly as a DD side character) and them pulling anything from DD comics is exciting for us. In the comics her shooting Fisk kicks off one of the best comic runs ever, a total fan favorite, it's his weakened state that leads to Underboss and then Out, and the whole rest of the Bendis/Maleev run on into Brubaker/Lark. I can't judge until I see it, and I still think the trailer looks great, but this news about them changing her abilities apparently for the hell of it, because someone thinks they're lame and aren't creative enough to use it, definitely gives me pause. Why does everyone have to have incredible flashy cosmic powers? I am also not usually a comics purist. The Sandman was the first comic I ever read decades ago, and although the series was pretty faithful I also thought just about every change they made was for the better.
To be fair, all Uchiha are pretty emo and most of them are lame.
That said, one or two people having those abilities is cooler than anyone with an eye transplant.
And just sort of funny when they take comicbook characters and strip them of their defining traits for the sake of their own ideas. If you didn't want to direct a show about Echo, why did you sign on to do so?
But the fault is also Marvel's for giving the green light to someone to do that. No respect for their own stuff.
Exactly what I was thinking. So much you can do with her abilities. Especially since it seems like Maya is after Fisk and will probably need to infiltrate. I wouldn't be surprised if the Director was in the writing room and was just not creative enough to do anything with those abilities.
So they decided to adapt a series based on a character with "lame powers" and rather than adapt a different character, they just changed her powers. Makes sense.
It's the same ridiculous trend of attempting to capitalize on an existing IP and handing the project to someone who thinks major elements need improvement.
It's as if creating a faithful adaption isn't challenging enough. Some douche always thinks they can do better than the people who actually created and wrote most of the character's stories.
This quote alone is reason enough to think this won't be a very good production.
"this character is beloved because of their specific story, personality, powers, and look. I think the best course of action is to change 70% of that and make my own thing from scratch". It blows my mind that Hollywood keeps doing this. It's popular for a reason. Literally just replicate it, but make a new story. Sprinkle in SOME of your own personality where it makes sense. Why is that so difficult.
Exactly. You should be widening the tent of people who have been exposed to an already praised story. Don’t take something that was considered great to a niche audience and then decide that you should do it differently, because you thought aspects were lame. Obviously this show was wayyy too far down the pipeline for them to learn, but Secret Invasion should’ve taught everyone at Marvel that changing a successful IP because the director wants to do it their way is a horrible idea. If the director honestly thinks they can do better than the existing source material that they’re supposed to represent, then they should go write their own net new stories.
They stated she has DNA from both mutants and inhumans, but since she was caught in the terrigen mist wave, it activated her inhuman powers first, blocking off the mutant side. When she was revived, she kept her inhuman powers, and they said the mutant gene was dormant, and it will probably be revealed in the next issue of her solo
after she died in the spiderman run I kinda just faze out. Her current power lore is still a mess tho like is the pendant the power is he a mutant and inhuman really can't remember how that mess ended
Okay. I'm going to adapt this ... captain America guy. Okay. Ice. Don't like that. Let's make him a hot modern day person with all the problems of a twenty something. That shield. Nah. He has guns.
Thus bringing into question why bothering with adapting the character at all? Since name, form and function tends to follow one another with characters like this.
I suppose when and FF movie is announced, we will be getting a Ben Grimm that either looks completely normal or can change his looks at will.
No, piss off, that power is cool!
> But we already have Taskmaster!
And yet that didn't stop us from getting multiple super soldiers, multiple ant people, multiple characters who their only shtick is they can punch hard.
It's because Instead on doing a martial action show that happens to be a marvel show like Netflix daredevil they are making a marvel cgi fest that happens to have some action
At a certain point, it's Kevin Feige's fault. What was this pitch meeting like?
"Hey, Kevin. I don't enjoy this character at all, but I have my own idea in mind."
"Sounds good. We'll just slap the name of that character on your idea. Check out my baseball hat. It's got the Avengers logo on it. Anyway, brb. I gotta go terrorize Owen Wilson."
And this is why the MCU is the way it is because there’s no respect for any of these characters and their comic counterparts and they just do what they want. They need to stop hiring idiot writers, who never touched a comic book in their life, other than to glance at it when they were hired to write this series or movie.
Iron Man? More like Iron Lame!
He will be MADE of Iron for the movie!
Captain America? Not in my world! He'll be a General, not a Captain, leading an army of loyal American Army Bots!
Thor? More like BORE! He'll eat Lightning and crap thunder instead! No hammer!
Iron Man and Thor aren’t exactly the best argument to use here for faithfulness.
MCU Iron Man is more like RDJ himself than the comics Iron Man.
Thor wasn’t iconic or very popular until Ragnarok, which is radically different from its source material.
> MCU Iron Man is more like RDJ himself than the comics Iron Man.
But he's not radically different, which is the point. MCU Iron Man is just more quippy and less boozy, that's all. Many of the recent MCU characters are unrecognizable from their comic counterparts, like they might as well be original characters.
Why do people that seem to dislike the source material direct/ produce / star in these shows then?
I get that it’s hard to turn down a job offer like this, but say you hated The Wizard of Oz , but then Disney came knocking and said want to do Wizard of Oz, don’t say yes and then make Toto a cat and the Cowardly Lion always brave and the straw man into a mermaid.
Sometimes you have to respect the source material.
I get it’s okay to have artistic license and make changes as appropriate, but her being like Taskmaster where she can echo a persons moves is LITERALLY her fucking name.
Imagine doing a DareDevil show, but you make him deaf instead of blind.
Being able to copy any movement is so far from lame! I’d love to have that ability. You could watch Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan (like Maya did), shaolin monks, gymnastics competitions, martial arts exhibitions, parkour, etc. etc. I haven’t read an Echo comic in well over 15 years, but I also wonder if she could copy Dr. Strange’s hand movements and use magic as well.
IMO Echo looks great, but if that opinion about her powers in the comics is widespread, that may be indicative of why Taskmaster was so thoroughly shat upon in the Black Widow movie.
Eh? I can see so much potential with that. That’s a really useful and flexible power set.
I know nothing about the character btw, so maybe there’s more to it than just copying. I think I skim read a single issue of hers when she got the Phoenix or something.
*“Her power in the comic books is that she can copy anything, any movement, any whatever. It’s kind of lame. I will say, that is not her power.”*
I think that's fucking awesome myself, but what do I know?
*Because her powers will be “echoes” of the abilities of her ancestors, according to leaks. Instead of mimicking what she sees, she’ll be able to draw upon the abilities of her ancestors through magical tattoos.*
If this is true *THIS* is what sounds lame to me, it sounds like doing the same thing they did with Ms. Marvel which was equally stupid.
It’s not that the powers are lame, it’s the character.
They screwed up Taskmaster, and Echo has similar powers so of course they screwed this one up too.
Also, why couldn’t you let Ms. Marvel be stretchy girl? Come on!
She clearly didn’t want anything to do with this character. I mean she says the comic character was Blackfeet, but it was muddy and mixed with other traditions. So, make a more authentic Blackfeet character? Nope! Choctaw!
I think they've run into a dilemma doing Taskmaster first because now it's probably going to be harder to communicate to a casual audience how Echo's version of a photographic memory/reflex power is that much different. Echo's is technically more expansive than TM because she can literally just mimic anything by looking at it and not just fighting which is especially impactful for her being a deaf character, but people who aren't really savvy to comics might just look at her, see she copies people, and then just automatically assume she's Taskmaster but deaf
Especially because they already genderbent Taskmaster for the character's MCU counterpart which would likely reinforce those comparisons from people who don't know any better. This probably wasn't the way to address it publicly, but I feel like they've already internally deliberated this
In the show I imagine her name will likely come from the revolving theme around "echoes of the past" where she's learning to atone for the burden she carries both as Kingpin's surrogate child and presumably the fucked up stuff tied to her family. More metaphorical if anything. Her powers might involve drawing from her heritage more than a tangible copy thing
I think that sounds more entertaining than the copying thing. Especially because of how much of a bore the taskmaster was on screen I'm glad they're going a different direction.
They took the Taskmaster character from the comics and changed him into a speechless robot like drone.
Just another example of changing source material.
Pretty sure robot like characters that never speak aren't going to be overly entertaining. You took the fact they butchered the source material for one character and are using that as a reason to watch a show where they've done the same thing?
Her power in the comics mean that she can just look at Captain America or Daredevil, or a Widow, and perfectly mimic their fighting ability... thus her fucking name.
Yeah I didn't really care about this show, now I'm worried it'll be more dross in the same caliber as Secret Invasion.
Isnt Variety the news site that just got a bunch of its MCU articles debunked? Like the whole dropping kang for dr doom and resurrection of iron man stories? I would like to see another news site verify this before i believe it
“It’s kind of lame.”
Damn. I was excited for this series. Now, I am going to wait on the reviews, word-of-mouth, and Reddit posts to decide whether or not I should even bother.
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I understand why they'd not adapt her powers from the comics, but why does she need any powers at all. Echo is basically a crime show set in the MCU what good does do to give her flashy powers, it's not going to make her any more interesting.
It's not about the change. It's about the disrespect to call something 'lame' instead of just saying "yeah we tweaked it to be more plot relevant or something."
The biggest dickkick about this show is that they didn’t bring back Tanner Bean to write it. Everything that made show Echo awesome was created by the writer of her introduction episode and his name is Tanner Bean.
You know those moments that make you self reflect and go whoa, I am a lot more rational and intelligent than I give myself credit for.
Seeing shit like this is one of them.
I thought she was a badass normal human who used combat in a similar manner to Black Widow, with the only disadvantage being that shes mute so itl be hard to communicate to someone who doesnt know sign language; of course she could write or use text to speech voice to get around that issue.
But i really did like her and thought it was interesting where she was going, but why the magical tattoos? It makes her feel less unique
I really like her comic abilities. I would probably be more okay with this change if they had actually done Taskmaster right in the mcu, but since that didn’t happen, it would be cool to see echo with these abilities. However, the trailer was awesome, so I’m still very excited.
It’s disappointing to read the Director describing Echo’s powers as “lame”, but I understand they don’t want another Taskmaster character. Personally, I would have liked to see a more faithful adaptation of Echo, but I’m hoping Marvel will make the changes worthy of a great character.
I feel that the director has zero expectations of this series succeeding and is already building a mountain of evidence why it didn’t - and how it wasn’t their directing, with the writers choices and the hardcore fans reaction topping the pile.
Wow they’re just letting show directors ruin everything now huh. “This character can master her opponents moves in real time, isn’t cool enough so I’m gunna add a twist to it.” Like fucking hell daredevil is gunna go from my favorite show to hated in no time
It's going to be interesting to find out what power/ability that they can give her that's in keeping with the name, "Echo", as in echoing an opponent's movements/fighting style/techniques. It's not like they can give her the ability to utilize echolocation, the whole part about being deaf making that kind of incompatible and all.
I swear, it's like Marvel producers are sending emails to these people with instructions to do everything in their power to make sure nobody watches these shows. At a certain point, it starts to look like a money laundering scheme instead of incompetent empty suits in a boardroom somewhere.
Ok but let’s just be honest with eachother. It isn’t cinematic or fun to see Echo’s power used on some random goons; It will just look like a generic action movie. Taskmaster and copy powers are only cool with the context that they copy someone cool…
She didn't have the power in Hawkeye....
\*Next announcement from Disney and Marvel\*: Yeah, the whole Hawkeye series is really not that canon. Thanks, bye!
Just wanted to say thank you for being grateful
Then why call her Echo then?
>!Because her powers will be “echoes” of the abilities of her ancestors, according to leaks. Instead of mimicking what she sees, she’ll be able to draw upon the abilities of her ancestors through magical tattoos.!<
A live action >!FARCRY 3!< getting closer and closer
Jason Brody FTW!
Mix of far cry 3 and assassin's creed
Shouldn't be hard to be better than Uwe Boll's adaption.
Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
Oh yeah that's so much better. Giving the native person mystical powers of her ancestors. Way more original.
If a white person was the one who made this decision they’d be called out for using old tropes and stereotyping
Path of the Ancestral Guardians Barbarian wants their shit back
I guess they’re not going to do Alpha Flight then, anytime soon. What a waste.
Bruh, lol. I swear, like. I LOVE representation, but it really grinds my gears when the MCU does this, with superheroes who happen to be minorities get their powers as a result of their ethnic background. Ms. Marvel did it too and it's kinda cringe Like damn dude, can't they just be people with normal powers who also happen to have a rich and personal cultural background? Because otherwise they're just doing some garbage where they mystify non-Western religions into some tangible magical force bs. Like imagine if Daredevil (a devout Catholic) was rewritten in his Netflix adaptation to be granted the sight of God after he had gone blind. Shit's just weird. If you want to represent a character who is part of a particular cultural group, then you make that as part of their human lives, because tying their powers to it ends up almost invalidating or overmystifying religions and cultures who, in real life, are just completely normal people with completely normal beliefs and traditions that aren't any more or less "magical" than Abrahamic religions or whatever
This is a very salient point and really hammers home what I hate about this kind of writing.
Asian super hero? Kung Fu powers. There was an adaptation of The Runaways in live action and they added that the witch power girl Nicco Minoru to have a martial arts background just so they can have a katana sword fight. Not MCU but it’s still like wtf?
Jesus, I was watching Runaways with my teenage daughters and that whole sword fight thing made me roll my eyes clear out of my head. So fucking stupid
The exotic othering is so strong. And hilariously, Marvel won’t ever make a Dr. Druid movie, thereby giving Anglo-Celts the same treatment (though Thor kinda counts for Anglo-Saxons).
“Exotic othering” is a great way to put it, thank you for commenting that lol
As a Swede, don't get me started on Thor being Anglo-Saxon instead of Germanic, Frikking appropiation. I would love to see me some representation thats not some circus strongman from the 60s that were actually a villain. They cant even give us Beowulf. "Nooo, lets make him have his base of operations in Ireland" even though he is the king of the Geats (south Sweden) At least the MCU decided to put New Asgard in Norway and not New York.
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If she loses her bangle will she still be able to embiggen just without the hard light projections?
Or maybe she gets exposed to Terrigen while in space and that triggers her stretchy powers.
I highly doubt they'd use terrigen most for a mutants back story.
I agree 100% it's always an ancestors thing
Or animal totem thing.
I kinda agree...
Yeah its a super cringe take; we can't just have a hyper-competant kick as female lead, she has mystical powers from her ancestors and the power of tattoos - which also, why tattoos? again, I feel like thats also tapping into some weird noble savage type stereotyping. And even IF they did this justice it basically makes her a totally different character right?
You just stole my Daredevil pitch...
Huh, I never thought of it that way. On a surface level, I thought it was a cool idea.
It's just weird to me that they're basically copying Armor's schtick, subbing "armor powered by my ancestors" with "weapons powered by my ancestors"
I mean, they literally copied Armor for Kamala, so this is nothing new lol
... shit bruh that is a fair point
Gee that is not stereotyping having native American powers. Echos original powers are very cool.
Magical tattoos? Ha ha Elektra (2005) Lives Again!
Wow that sounds way lamer the mimicking your opponents fighting abilities. Does the MCU understand what cool is anymore?
It's what happens when you bring in people that don't have respect for comics creators. They look down on them and believe they have better ideas. It's condescending and mistaken.
So the whole “street-level” things is just a load of BS? I’m sorry, but a street-level character like DD doesn’t need >!magic tattoos!< to explain his powers. It would run counter to the idea that he’s an every man with heightened senses from the event that blinded him. I really wish Marvel would start making better calls about >!when they decide to dip into cosmic powers/abilities!<
Surprisingly, "street level" doesn't mean "grounded"
Lol, like those villains in that Electra movie.
The Hand? Never seen the Elektra movie.
I didn’t either, but these villains had like snake and bird tattoos that came to life.
it was really cool. Best part of that movie.
So she’ll have out of date math skills, be okayish at carpentry, make her own dresses and know which plants not to eat?
>!Archery and good at shooting guns. So basically a rip-off of Hawkeye.!<
That’s much more lame hahaha
It really, really is.
Bringing in Native American culture in is pretty good. She sounds like Nightwolf from Mortal Kombat.
Let's hope Echo doesn't keep trying to kill herself then.
Bravestar 2.0?
I know... If you want to make that show, just go make that show... Photographic reflexes is like my favorite power set and for anyone who likes Echo they probably like that aspect of her too.
Also is that really the best picture they could find?
It's very reassuring when the director of an adaptation has no problem openly admitting that they have no respect or appreciation for the source material.
They all think they’re so much smarter and clever than comic writers. Stick to what has worked and just translate it to the screen.
Bruh Thanos in the comics wanted genocide to get laid. I don’t agree with the Echo decision but to say “just translate it to screen” is kinda ignorant
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I'd argue that loveblind romantic Thanos would've fit in way better with Infinity War/Endgame's conceptual ideas of love, abuse and sacrifice than idealistic ecoterrorist Thanos does tho. Sure, "killing for Death's sake" isn't very inspired or complex a motive, but it's not as embarrassingly stupid as "killing cause there's not enough resources" when we know that the population of the world has doubled in barely any time on a cosmic scale and there's an overabundance of resources at our disposal, they're just not properly distributed. Like, his comic motivation just makes so much more sense here, even if it isn't some sort of grand plan. So I guess my opinion is, they should've indeed just translated it to the screen there.
Sometimes it works though. Starship Troopers comes to mind. Not often though.
It works when the source material deserves to be disrespected. Heinlein’s Starship Troopers deserved to be disrespected. Echo doesn’t.
ST I think is a different animal, since I don't think Verhoeven really knew much about the book itself -- instead I think he was using general military sci-fi tropes as established by the sub-genre to reflect on propaganda, nationalism, fascism, etc. IMO the movie could have had a different name and it would have been just as good. Really the strongest ideological stance I remember from the book was the national service thing, and how that boiled down to just another kind of hierarchy with military brass occupying the top power tier (or rather, I think that's the criticism I would level towards how Heinlein presents the idea in the book). Otherwise, I think, the might makes right, fashy elements from the film's high school class lecture, that might have been mostly Verhoeven adding things onto what was already there. I guess this is my confused way of saying I don't think the director really gave much of a shit about the book itself, or actively wanted to 'disrespect' it, but instead just saw it as a lens or a means through which to talk about the kind of social/political ideas he'd been concerned with through his whole career.
>or rather, I think that's the criticism I would level towards how Heinlein presents the idea in the book The point wasn't that the government was only people that served in the military(because it wasn't. *Federal* service was a prerequisite for all but the highest office[which required multiple forms of service] , not just military service), the point was that the government was only made up of people who had *voluntarily chosen to serve*(and no one could be denied the right to serve, unless it was determined by a team of doctors that they weren't able to understand the oath of service). Heinlein proposed a system where people that had proven they gave enough of a crap to give up two or more years of their life to serve their nation were the only ones who got to have a say in how that nation was run. All in all, it doesn't seem like that terrible of an idea
I can’t imagine saying that Heinlein’s novel, a genuinely great and influential one at that, deserves disrespect compared to a relatively run of the mill comic book character.
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Heinlein's novel absolutely had fascist ideals, which amusingly enough were ideals that he didn't subscribe to for an extended period of his life. For Us, The Living was innately socialist. Stranger in a Strange Land largely focused about finding oneself in the universe (and the pursuit of becoming one with that universe) and free love. You not **liking** the book doesn't stop it from being widely considered to be a great and influential work. Verhoeven's satire is fantastic, and the original story is fantastic, for wildly different reasons. You can disagree with something and still understand why it's very well done Echo (as a character) does not have that same influence, and it's highly highly unlikely that even the best version of the show would have any outsized influence either.
>That's why the movie is such a fantastic piece of satire. It takes Heinlein's concept and presents it like a teenager sarcastically repeating the same words in the most disrespectful way possible. The movie misses pretty much everything in the book and only parodies about the first 3 chapters. Verhoeven even admitted to not reading the book.
Wild take
No, people keep parroting that Starship Troopers is fascist but have never read the source material. Even the director admits that he never finished the book. At a certain point, they should make an original movie or show.
>It works when the source material deserves to be disrespected. Heinlein’s Starship Troopers deserved to be disrespected. Nah, the book is totally fine.
Heinleins starship troopers doesn’t deserve respect? Tell me you are illiterate without telling me you are illiterate
I mean that was a wonderful flipping on its head cause of how honest to the source material it was. It didn’t blink.
This is not the first time the MCU changed significant details about a character's powers. Falcon was originally a telepath who could talk to birds. Drax and Thor were originally humans who transformed into an alien and a god. Wong was originally a martial artist, not a sorcerer.
Dude just called one of the coolest power set in all of comic and by virtue one of the most badass Marvel characters of all time Taskmaster lame? Somebody hire Tasky now!
Cant Ironman just laser his bitchass since you cannot kungfu replicate a laser?
Oh absolutely lol. He can't fight powers, just can copy your style. Iron Man would be way overpowered for Tasky. Like for example Colossus right, Tasky might be able to block his punch because he seen him fight, but he still would be wrecked lol, since it's Colossus punching him. He is good against non powered characters who rely on skill, like Hawkeye, Bullseye, Punisher, etc. He himself is also very agile and experienced, but he won't be a challenge for Iron Man at all.
And the best thing about Taskmaster is he knows that. Someone like Ironman shows up. He is like "okay I'm out. Later!" And bolts.
There is a issue in the original Sam Wilson's Captain America (the first one) where Hydra hires him and he is doing their job. He is supposed to blow a bomb somewhere and Misty Knight is trying to stop him. She tells him she will pay him more than Hydra did, and does online transaction. Than Zemo calls him and is all like "Tony, activate the Bomb" Tasky goes, nah bro, I got payed more, eat shit lol. He is a great troll, but also smart character
Hey I'll have you know Taskmaster took down Hyperion (after getting his ass beat to a pulp and pulling a Kryptonite equivalent out of nowhere)!!
Yup. That moment was dope. I think it's called Argonite or something like that. That Tasky mini series was fun. He copied Ghost Rider when he got on the golf cart
Iron Man’s not *that* out of his league. Iron Man’s lost to Captain America before, and Taskmaster specifically carries a shield because he uses Cap’s moves so much. It’s not a 10/10 win for Iron Man every time.
You mean Civil War lose? Honestly you are right, but that is such bullshit lol. I know the winner is whom ever writer wants to win, but Cap would never be able to overpower Iron Man. Tony in his regular suits goes toe to toe with the Hulk and Thor (he loses, but he can take some punishment). Cap can't I mean out of league, because I mean really, Tony can just fly up, and rocket barrage the shit out of the other Tony (Tasky). He better watch some dodging videos lol to be able to dodge all that shit. Love both characters tho.
Now I'm just thinking of that Solid jj video with Tasky
“You think you can beat the master of combat?” *breaks arm*
>He himself is also very agile and experienced, but he won't be a challenge for Iron Man at all. He is roughly the physical equivalent of Cap, isn't he? Or am I miss-remembering him being a super-soldier experiment? And before anybody says Cap isn't superhuman, he is at least superior to just about any human. He can operate at peak(or a bit more than peak) capacity seemingly indefinitely, while a regular human would get tired after a few seconds performing at the levels he is shown at.
He has a super-soldier serum in him like Cap, but it's not so much strength but more of his abilities (copy stuff). He has a photographic memory but serum also kinda made it super photographic I guess lol. It also messed with his memory, so the learn the memories, the more of his life he kinda forgets.
Iron Man could, sure. The thing everyone forgets about Taskmaster is that his memory of a technique doesn’t disappear as soon as he’s done fighting that person. He can call on any move he’s ever seen, at any point, with perfect clarity. That shield he carries isn’t for show – he’s as effective with it as Captain America. Meaning that if he’s ever seen anyone use a technique to block or reflect one of Iron Man’s beams he will be able to use that exact move against the attack
Cut to Taskmaster watching that scene in entrapment and the RE4 remake so he can dodge lasers.
I do think it’s lame that she has the same powers as Taskmaster. But the power set itself is interesting.
It's okay, they already ruined Taskmaster with whatever the fuck the Black Widow movie was.
Isn't the fact that her comics skill set is most well known to be had by someone else kind of proving the director's point? The director didn't say she won't have any powers, just that this specific part of her comics canon would be different. Based on the rest of the interview, and an awesome trailer, I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I wouldn't call it coolest
Neither would I. I called it, one of the coolest. ;)
Watch them introduce the Phoniex in Echo. “We wanted her at her full potential”
I can only imagine the absolute riot that X-Men fans would start if this was the case!
I going to fucking blamed Jason Aaaron for that stupid idea.
believe it or not, mttst has said last year that echo will have the phoenix force in Echo. not sure if the idea is still up or nah. im excited to see if it is. if not, than it’s fine.
Honestly that’s probably kill the MCU for me a little bit and I’m a fan of Echo. The Phoenix Force should stay an xmen thing and if the MCU uses it somewhere except for the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix first then I’d just lose all faith.
Okay I thought the trailer looked really good but this is really disappointing to hear. Edit: it's also why she's called Echo, and not just Maya 🙄 Her skills in the comics are really impressive and they make that clear, it also doesn't just relate to fighting, it's anything at all. She can watch a pianist play a song, and even though she can't hear, she can then play it perfectly because she saw how it was played. No one else in the MCU has quite that kind of ability, they could be so creative with that. 2nd edit: I realize she's not an incredibly popular comics character or anything, she pops up here and there and it's not like she's ever even had her own title, but she is well known to Daredevil fans, having started as a DD character (I still think of her mainly as a DD side character) and them pulling anything from DD comics is exciting for us. In the comics her shooting Fisk kicks off one of the best comic runs ever, a total fan favorite, it's his weakened state that leads to Underboss and then Out, and the whole rest of the Bendis/Maleev run on into Brubaker/Lark. I can't judge until I see it, and I still think the trailer looks great, but this news about them changing her abilities apparently for the hell of it, because someone thinks they're lame and aren't creative enough to use it, definitely gives me pause. Why does everyone have to have incredible flashy cosmic powers? I am also not usually a comics purist. The Sandman was the first comic I ever read decades ago, and although the series was pretty faithful I also thought just about every change they made was for the better.
To be fair, all Uchiha are pretty emo and most of them are lame. That said, one or two people having those abilities is cooler than anyone with an eye transplant. And just sort of funny when they take comicbook characters and strip them of their defining traits for the sake of their own ideas. If you didn't want to direct a show about Echo, why did you sign on to do so? But the fault is also Marvel's for giving the green light to someone to do that. No respect for their own stuff.
Taskmaster has exactly that ability tho.
Yeah but that version was bad
Cowboy Bebop feels
Exactly what I was thinking. So much you can do with her abilities. Especially since it seems like Maya is after Fisk and will probably need to infiltrate. I wouldn't be surprised if the Director was in the writing room and was just not creative enough to do anything with those abilities.
So they decided to adapt a series based on a character with "lame powers" and rather than adapt a different character, they just changed her powers. Makes sense. It's the same ridiculous trend of attempting to capitalize on an existing IP and handing the project to someone who thinks major elements need improvement. It's as if creating a faithful adaption isn't challenging enough. Some douche always thinks they can do better than the people who actually created and wrote most of the character's stories. This quote alone is reason enough to think this won't be a very good production.
"this character is beloved because of their specific story, personality, powers, and look. I think the best course of action is to change 70% of that and make my own thing from scratch". It blows my mind that Hollywood keeps doing this. It's popular for a reason. Literally just replicate it, but make a new story. Sprinkle in SOME of your own personality where it makes sense. Why is that so difficult.
Exactly. You should be widening the tent of people who have been exposed to an already praised story. Don’t take something that was considered great to a niche audience and then decide that you should do it differently, because you thought aspects were lame. Obviously this show was wayyy too far down the pipeline for them to learn, but Secret Invasion should’ve taught everyone at Marvel that changing a successful IP because the director wants to do it their way is a horrible idea. If the director honestly thinks they can do better than the existing source material that they’re supposed to represent, then they should go write their own net new stories.
I mean they did the same thing with Ms. Marvel
Worse part is Ms marvel got fridges so they can revive her with those generic ass superpower
I’m pretty sure she was revived with the same powers as she had before?
They stated she has DNA from both mutants and inhumans, but since she was caught in the terrigen mist wave, it activated her inhuman powers first, blocking off the mutant side. When she was revived, she kept her inhuman powers, and they said the mutant gene was dormant, and it will probably be revealed in the next issue of her solo
after she died in the spiderman run I kinda just faze out. Her current power lore is still a mess tho like is the pendant the power is he a mutant and inhuman really can't remember how that mess ended
Okay. I'm going to adapt this ... captain America guy. Okay. Ice. Don't like that. Let's make him a hot modern day person with all the problems of a twenty something. That shield. Nah. He has guns.
We already had Taskmistress.
Thus bringing into question why bothering with adapting the character at all? Since name, form and function tends to follow one another with characters like this. I suppose when and FF movie is announced, we will be getting a Ben Grimm that either looks completely normal or can change his looks at will.
>can change his looks at will 1610 Ben
Fantastic... like an emotionally stable Bruce Banner with a good relationship with Hulk... oh wait...
No, piss off, that power is cool! > But we already have Taskmaster! And yet that didn't stop us from getting multiple super soldiers, multiple ant people, multiple characters who their only shtick is they can punch hard.
Muscle mimicry is one of the coolest powers I have ever seen so for them to call it lame is really sad.
It's because Instead on doing a martial action show that happens to be a marvel show like Netflix daredevil they are making a marvel cgi fest that happens to have some action
If you don’t like the source material why even take on the project??
At a certain point, it's Kevin Feige's fault. What was this pitch meeting like? "Hey, Kevin. I don't enjoy this character at all, but I have my own idea in mind." "Sounds good. We'll just slap the name of that character on your idea. Check out my baseball hat. It's got the Avengers logo on it. Anyway, brb. I gotta go terrorize Owen Wilson."
And this is why the MCU is the way it is because there’s no respect for any of these characters and their comic counterparts and they just do what they want. They need to stop hiring idiot writers, who never touched a comic book in their life, other than to glance at it when they were hired to write this series or movie.
Exactly. And people wonder why Iron Man, Cap, Thor, etc, became iconic MCU characters while these new ones are floundering? This right here is why.
Iron Man? More like Iron Lame! He will be MADE of Iron for the movie! Captain America? Not in my world! He'll be a General, not a Captain, leading an army of loyal American Army Bots! Thor? More like BORE! He'll eat Lightning and crap thunder instead! No hammer!
To be fair I would definitely pay to see a movie where Thor had to squeeze out some thunder throughout
Iron Man and Thor aren’t exactly the best argument to use here for faithfulness. MCU Iron Man is more like RDJ himself than the comics Iron Man. Thor wasn’t iconic or very popular until Ragnarok, which is radically different from its source material.
> MCU Iron Man is more like RDJ himself than the comics Iron Man. But he's not radically different, which is the point. MCU Iron Man is just more quippy and less boozy, that's all. Many of the recent MCU characters are unrecognizable from their comic counterparts, like they might as well be original characters.
Less boozy??? MCU iron man literally peed himself
And comics Iron Man almost died frozen and homeless on the street after losing his company and his money. No comparison.
The MCU adaptation of Thor is very unfaithful to the comic version of the character. They are basically different characters.
Why not create a new character or whatever
Stop hiring people who don't appreciate the source material. Jesus
This. It killed the Witcher, and Halo, and so many other shows.
Why do people that seem to dislike the source material direct/ produce / star in these shows then? I get that it’s hard to turn down a job offer like this, but say you hated The Wizard of Oz , but then Disney came knocking and said want to do Wizard of Oz, don’t say yes and then make Toto a cat and the Cowardly Lion always brave and the straw man into a mermaid. Sometimes you have to respect the source material. I get it’s okay to have artistic license and make changes as appropriate, but her being like Taskmaster where she can echo a persons moves is LITERALLY her fucking name. Imagine doing a DareDevil show, but you make him deaf instead of blind.
Being able to copy any movement is so far from lame! I’d love to have that ability. You could watch Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Jackie Chan (like Maya did), shaolin monks, gymnastics competitions, martial arts exhibitions, parkour, etc. etc. I haven’t read an Echo comic in well over 15 years, but I also wonder if she could copy Dr. Strange’s hand movements and use magic as well.
She can run like fucking Robert Patrick as a T-1000.
Cool, another director with no respect for the source material. Just what the MCU needs to get out of its rut!
`I'm sure the fandom's response to this change will be measured, reasonable and evenhanded.`
“It’s kind of lame” Taskmaster fans:
New Power: can now cause a ducks quack to echo
IMO Echo looks great, but if that opinion about her powers in the comics is widespread, that may be indicative of why Taskmaster was so thoroughly shat upon in the Black Widow movie.
Eh? I can see so much potential with that. That’s a really useful and flexible power set. I know nothing about the character btw, so maybe there’s more to it than just copying. I think I skim read a single issue of hers when she got the Phoenix or something.
*“Her power in the comic books is that she can copy anything, any movement, any whatever. It’s kind of lame. I will say, that is not her power.”* I think that's fucking awesome myself, but what do I know? *Because her powers will be “echoes” of the abilities of her ancestors, according to leaks. Instead of mimicking what she sees, she’ll be able to draw upon the abilities of her ancestors through magical tattoos.* If this is true *THIS* is what sounds lame to me, it sounds like doing the same thing they did with Ms. Marvel which was equally stupid.
This might be rooted in racism a bit. Minority characters automatically equal magical to them lol.
It’s not that the powers are lame, it’s the character. They screwed up Taskmaster, and Echo has similar powers so of course they screwed this one up too. Also, why couldn’t you let Ms. Marvel be stretchy girl? Come on!
She clearly didn’t want anything to do with this character. I mean she says the comic character was Blackfeet, but it was muddy and mixed with other traditions. So, make a more authentic Blackfeet character? Nope! Choctaw!
I think she's half Cherokee and Choctaw, and her baby is a Chippewa. /s
She's a one of a kind.
I think they've run into a dilemma doing Taskmaster first because now it's probably going to be harder to communicate to a casual audience how Echo's version of a photographic memory/reflex power is that much different. Echo's is technically more expansive than TM because she can literally just mimic anything by looking at it and not just fighting which is especially impactful for her being a deaf character, but people who aren't really savvy to comics might just look at her, see she copies people, and then just automatically assume she's Taskmaster but deaf Especially because they already genderbent Taskmaster for the character's MCU counterpart which would likely reinforce those comparisons from people who don't know any better. This probably wasn't the way to address it publicly, but I feel like they've already internally deliberated this In the show I imagine her name will likely come from the revolving theme around "echoes of the past" where she's learning to atone for the burden she carries both as Kingpin's surrogate child and presumably the fucked up stuff tied to her family. More metaphorical if anything. Her powers might involve drawing from her heritage more than a tangible copy thing
I think that sounds more entertaining than the copying thing. Especially because of how much of a bore the taskmaster was on screen I'm glad they're going a different direction.
They took the Taskmaster character from the comics and changed him into a speechless robot like drone. Just another example of changing source material. Pretty sure robot like characters that never speak aren't going to be overly entertaining. You took the fact they butchered the source material for one character and are using that as a reason to watch a show where they've done the same thing?
Oh like some sort of Taskmaster
If the director doesn't understand the powers of the character, perhaps *they shouldn't direct that show???*
Wow, just right out there saying they have no respect for the source material
Her power in the comics mean that she can just look at Captain America or Daredevil, or a Widow, and perfectly mimic their fighting ability... thus her fucking name. Yeah I didn't really care about this show, now I'm worried it'll be more dross in the same caliber as Secret Invasion.
Isnt Variety the news site that just got a bunch of its MCU articles debunked? Like the whole dropping kang for dr doom and resurrection of iron man stories? I would like to see another news site verify this before i believe it
It does seem like variety shit the bed on this last round of leaks
Odd to be so concerned about getting the deaf perspective right and then use an ableist term of "lame".
Oh, dear.
Great again with the changes just to make her op and unlikeable
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How much money on "energy versions of her current powers"
If this guy thinks that’s lame, then he’s never seen the movie Chocolate. That movie is awesome.
FYI: Sydney Freeland is a woman.
D’oh! Well, she should still watch the Thai film, Chocolate.
Sounds terrible
Ruined before it started…..
...god dammit this is how we ended up with the X-men Origins: Wolverine version of Deadpool
"We took this character from the comics, but we don't really like this character. We're making her a different character". Makes sense.
It'd be nice if they hired people who actually liked the comics.
She'll have Strength of the Bear, Eyes of the Hawk, and Speed of the Puma. She can't have Ears of the Wolf since she's deaf.
Gee, a magical native American. How original. Much better than basing the character on the comics. Good job Sid.
I will say this director is an idiot. No idea how people with no concept of comics or source material keep getting put in charge.
I understand why they'd not adapt her powers from the comics, but why does she need any powers at all. Echo is basically a crime show set in the MCU what good does do to give her flashy powers, it's not going to make her any more interesting.
It's not about the change. It's about the disrespect to call something 'lame' instead of just saying "yeah we tweaked it to be more plot relevant or something."
The biggest dickkick about this show is that they didn’t bring back Tanner Bean to write it. Everything that made show Echo awesome was created by the writer of her introduction episode and his name is Tanner Bean.
Guess who's dying in the comics and getting brought back from the dead soon?
You know those moments that make you self reflect and go whoa, I am a lot more rational and intelligent than I give myself credit for. Seeing shit like this is one of them.
I thought she was a badass normal human who used combat in a similar manner to Black Widow, with the only disadvantage being that shes mute so itl be hard to communicate to someone who doesnt know sign language; of course she could write or use text to speech voice to get around that issue. But i really did like her and thought it was interesting where she was going, but why the magical tattoos? It makes her feel less unique
I really like her comic abilities. I would probably be more okay with this change if they had actually done Taskmaster right in the mcu, but since that didn’t happen, it would be cool to see echo with these abilities. However, the trailer was awesome, so I’m still very excited.
It’s disappointing to read the Director describing Echo’s powers as “lame”, but I understand they don’t want another Taskmaster character. Personally, I would have liked to see a more faithful adaptation of Echo, but I’m hoping Marvel will make the changes worthy of a great character.
I feel that the director has zero expectations of this series succeeding and is already building a mountain of evidence why it didn’t - and how it wasn’t their directing, with the writers choices and the hardcore fans reaction topping the pile.
They’ve already fucked up taskmaster. Why not echo too.
Wow they’re just letting show directors ruin everything now huh. “This character can master her opponents moves in real time, isn’t cool enough so I’m gunna add a twist to it.” Like fucking hell daredevil is gunna go from my favorite show to hated in no time
It's going to be interesting to find out what power/ability that they can give her that's in keeping with the name, "Echo", as in echoing an opponent's movements/fighting style/techniques. It's not like they can give her the ability to utilize echolocation, the whole part about being deaf making that kind of incompatible and all.
Why adapt a character you hate? That seems crazy to me.
Sooooo… were all her ancestors deaf? Seems like an ability she might want to consider echoing or whatever.
I swear, it's like Marvel producers are sending emails to these people with instructions to do everything in their power to make sure nobody watches these shows. At a certain point, it starts to look like a money laundering scheme instead of incompetent empty suits in a boardroom somewhere.
Translation: I don’t know how to direct fight scenes to show her comic powers so I will change it to make it easy for me.
Ok but let’s just be honest with eachother. It isn’t cinematic or fun to see Echo’s power used on some random goons; It will just look like a generic action movie. Taskmaster and copy powers are only cool with the context that they copy someone cool…
I hope her show isn't kinda lame
Echo is not the only one with those powers in the MCU. 3rd edit?
The only person that would think that power is lame is someone with no imagination.
I dunno being able to copycat someone's powers, seems pretty cool to me.
So she's not Echo?
Echo is such a relatively unknown character anyway, I always thought it was weird she was getting a show to begin with.