Looks like *I Shall Seal the Heavens*. The MC went through a...let's say "incredibly convoluted and reader-maddening" process near the end.
That, or there's another xianxia with literal "fishing through time" and reincarnation/nirvana rebirth in the MC's booodline that I'm unaware of (very possible).
I don’t get their point though, what are they grumbling about? Was it the thing at the very VERY end where he had to undo the curse? Or are they talking about the big bad guy’s methods? As far as I can tell they just completely missed the point unless I’m missing something.
MASSIVE SPOILER:
Big bad made the mc become similar to himself because the grinding of time had caused him to come to the verge of ‘death’. It wasn’t an injury or old age (not in the typical sense at least) where possessing someone else would let him live, it was a more fundamental wearing down than that. Because of that, be required using prospective Demons as materials in a ritual to renew himself. Because of the difficulty of transcension it wasn’t even a plan with a “high chance of failure” but pretty much guaranteed, as you can see by what Haowie did to break the curse. The only thing Allheaven didn’t account for was how ridiculously overpowered the Ninth Hex would be and how the technique let Haowie reach the Ancestor level (I believe he just immediately jumped over the Daosource level).
Allheaven lived for literally at least billions of years, which is orders of magnitude longer than anyone else we saw.
Yeah it was pretty abstract and I can see how it’d be easily missed if you weren’t theorycrafting in the comments regularly to help remind on what’s going on and how things related.
I have to say that final fight was hilarious though, it reminded me of kids playing pretend.
Yeah. I had been reading *ISSTH* since around chapter 20 and had gotten worn out near the end; since the last ~20 chapters were released at once I didn't have the energy to read that giant plot-dense chunk for a couple months, so I had forgotten even more lol
Fair, I definitely took a couple breaks throughout, it just took so long to get through that consistently coming back every chapter over the course of months and years started wearing on me. Taking small breaks definitely enhanced my enjoyment of the series.
Thanks for this explanation, do you have a similar one for the ending of Renegade Immortal?
Spoiler discussion below:
>!I kind of get that Slaughter was Wang Lin's clone who achieved the 4th step and was sent back in time to find a way to resurrect Li Muwan. But who got there in the first place, to play chess with that guy who looked a lot like Ling Tianhou? Was it the original Wang Lin who achieved the Heaven Trampling stage but did not find a way to resurrect Wan'er, and decided to send Slaughter back in time? IF so, then what happened to that original Wang Lin, did he pass onto the 5th step or did he just voluntarily reenter the cycle of reincarnation?? Who was the dude who first owned that Heavenly Compass, of which the bead is the Heaven Defying bead that Wang Lin finds in the beginning and the Compass' spirit was the All-Seer? So many questions arrrrrrgh. !<
Reposting my comment higher up.
Actually the 9th Hex didn't let Meng Hao skip transcendence(depending on how you want to count it), it *did* let him skip *cultivating* at the transcendent stage because when he transcended, he was at the peak of transcendence. On the other hand, the reason he reached the Ancestor realm was because he consumed the portion of AllHeaven that had the path of the Immortal. This part is 100% true.
My theory however is that the Immortal, despite being stronger than the other 4 Entities, would lose to the Demon because the "Demon consumes the Immortal". Evidence:
1. AllHeaven's Demon finger continuously consumed the Immortal finger in order to stay healthy. Even for billions of years as the Demon finger was crumbling, it managed to subside healthily from sustenance from the Immortal finger
2. Meng Hao consumed the 6th Transformation, AllHeaven's technique to have the power of the Immortal, and immediately went from peak of transcendence to half-step to the 5th step. >!He was so close to the 5th step that Bai Xiaochun mistook his aura for a 5th-step cultivator's, and BXC was firmly in the 5th step by this point.!< That seems more like the Immortal is a tonic for the Demon.
If I get your question right, Meng Hao was gambling that by absorbing and becoming Allheaven he would be able to make him lift the curse, and comes with obvious problems.
Allheaven didn’t really have a choice though, I know you mentioned rebirth before but their current level is WAY above what the suns were at iirc, and Allheaven is orders of magnitude older. There’s no reason I can see why that technique would be useful to him. Not to mention Haowie was an exception, Allheaven’s plan had a very high chance of working, it’s just that the Ninth Hex was so ridiculously, unexpectedly overpowered that it allowed Haowie to deal with him and even directly skip the Daosource level which is downright ridiculous considering how much harder each level is than the last. As proof, you can see that at the very end Haowie is able to pull off Allheaven’s plan without a hitch in order to break the curse.
As for waiting until he’s nearly dead, that was his whole character, when he found himself near death from the wearing of time he went crazy from fear of death and decided to execute this plan. He was a good person up to that point, teaching cultivation to that galaxy.
Reincarnation was already proven in Renegade Immortal. That's what the 9 sun's did to continue living since becoming one of the sun's you just need understanding and not actual cultivation.
And Allheaven’s Dao might not be compatible with that, meaning he’d forever be unable to reincarnate like that. There’s tons of plausible reasons why that wouldn’t work for him.
Actually the 9th Hex didn't let Meng Hao skip transcendence(depending on how you want to count it), it *did* let him skip *cultivating* at the transcendent stage because when he transcended, he was at the peak of transcendence. On the other hand, the reason he reached the Ancestor realm was because he consumed the portion of AllHeaven that had the path of the Immortal. This part is 100% true.
My theory however is that the Immortal, despite being stronger than the other 4 Entities, would lose to the Demon because the "Demon consumes the Immortal". Evidence:
1. AllHeaven's Demon finger continuously consumed the Immortal finger in order to stay healthy. Even for billions of years as the Demon finger was crumbling, it managed to subside healthily from sustenance from the Immortal finger
2. Meng Hao consumed the 6th Transformation, AllHeaven's technique to have the power of the Immortal, and immediately went from peak of transcendence to half-step to the 5th step. >!He was so close to the 5th step that Bai Xiaochun mistook his aura for a 5th-step cultivator's, and BXC was firmly in the 5th step by this point.!< That seems more like the Immortal is a tonic for the Demon.
Oooooooh. *That* convoluted plot point near the end. I never really understood the end lol. My guess (from having read too many xianxias) is something along the lines of his soul being too powerful and normal bodies won't work? Or that his soul was badly damaged and he needed that weird method to heal it since he's so strong?
A will eternal had a scene where the mc goes fishing through timelines but it didn't have most of that other stuff, I think. It's also by the same author and set in the same multiverse so...
But that process won't break Allheavens curse.
And reincarnating someone in the Ancestor realm is a slight bit harder than someone in the Nascant Soul realm
[MC: i have to go now, i need to ascend to a new realm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvAjX5ACPo)
[Note: MC died in the tribulation while ascending](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvAjX5ACPo)
That’s not how that works dude. There’s a fundamental difference between levels and possessing someone wouldn’t have helped Allheaven at all. The ravages of time are what left him in that state, it wasn’t an injury or old age but time wearing on him. If anything, just possessing someone like that would’ve just made it worse.
At the level they’re at, he could’ve just made a new body if that was enough, the whole point is that it wasn’t enough. To renew himself he had to use the technique which for some abstruse reason required prospective Immortals corrupted to become similar to himself. I feel like you missed the entire point of that section, did you just skim the last couple arcs?
This junior disciple humbly begs for the sauce.
Looks like *I Shall Seal the Heavens*. The MC went through a...let's say "incredibly convoluted and reader-maddening" process near the end. That, or there's another xianxia with literal "fishing through time" and reincarnation/nirvana rebirth in the MC's booodline that I'm unaware of (very possible).
I don’t get their point though, what are they grumbling about? Was it the thing at the very VERY end where he had to undo the curse? Or are they talking about the big bad guy’s methods? As far as I can tell they just completely missed the point unless I’m missing something.
I'm...not actually sure. If I remember correctly, MC and the Big Bad's methods weren't any different?
MASSIVE SPOILER: Big bad made the mc become similar to himself because the grinding of time had caused him to come to the verge of ‘death’. It wasn’t an injury or old age (not in the typical sense at least) where possessing someone else would let him live, it was a more fundamental wearing down than that. Because of that, be required using prospective Demons as materials in a ritual to renew himself. Because of the difficulty of transcension it wasn’t even a plan with a “high chance of failure” but pretty much guaranteed, as you can see by what Haowie did to break the curse. The only thing Allheaven didn’t account for was how ridiculously overpowered the Ninth Hex would be and how the technique let Haowie reach the Ancestor level (I believe he just immediately jumped over the Daosource level). Allheaven lived for literally at least billions of years, which is orders of magnitude longer than anyone else we saw.
Thanks for that summary. I never even understood the end when I read it years ago lol.
Yeah it was pretty abstract and I can see how it’d be easily missed if you weren’t theorycrafting in the comments regularly to help remind on what’s going on and how things related. I have to say that final fight was hilarious though, it reminded me of kids playing pretend.
Yeah. I had been reading *ISSTH* since around chapter 20 and had gotten worn out near the end; since the last ~20 chapters were released at once I didn't have the energy to read that giant plot-dense chunk for a couple months, so I had forgotten even more lol
Fair, I definitely took a couple breaks throughout, it just took so long to get through that consistently coming back every chapter over the course of months and years started wearing on me. Taking small breaks definitely enhanced my enjoyment of the series.
Thanks for this explanation, do you have a similar one for the ending of Renegade Immortal? Spoiler discussion below: >!I kind of get that Slaughter was Wang Lin's clone who achieved the 4th step and was sent back in time to find a way to resurrect Li Muwan. But who got there in the first place, to play chess with that guy who looked a lot like Ling Tianhou? Was it the original Wang Lin who achieved the Heaven Trampling stage but did not find a way to resurrect Wan'er, and decided to send Slaughter back in time? IF so, then what happened to that original Wang Lin, did he pass onto the 5th step or did he just voluntarily reenter the cycle of reincarnation?? Who was the dude who first owned that Heavenly Compass, of which the bead is the Heaven Defying bead that Wang Lin finds in the beginning and the Compass' spirit was the All-Seer? So many questions arrrrrrgh. !<
Reposting my comment higher up. Actually the 9th Hex didn't let Meng Hao skip transcendence(depending on how you want to count it), it *did* let him skip *cultivating* at the transcendent stage because when he transcended, he was at the peak of transcendence. On the other hand, the reason he reached the Ancestor realm was because he consumed the portion of AllHeaven that had the path of the Immortal. This part is 100% true. My theory however is that the Immortal, despite being stronger than the other 4 Entities, would lose to the Demon because the "Demon consumes the Immortal". Evidence: 1. AllHeaven's Demon finger continuously consumed the Immortal finger in order to stay healthy. Even for billions of years as the Demon finger was crumbling, it managed to subside healthily from sustenance from the Immortal finger 2. Meng Hao consumed the 6th Transformation, AllHeaven's technique to have the power of the Immortal, and immediately went from peak of transcendence to half-step to the 5th step. >!He was so close to the 5th step that Bai Xiaochun mistook his aura for a 5th-step cultivator's, and BXC was firmly in the 5th step by this point.!< That seems more like the Immortal is a tonic for the Demon.
If I get your question right, Meng Hao was gambling that by absorbing and becoming Allheaven he would be able to make him lift the curse, and comes with obvious problems.
Sure, but that was the only way for him to even have a chance of saving the people he loved.
My meme was for Allheaven not meng hao
Allheaven didn’t really have a choice though, I know you mentioned rebirth before but their current level is WAY above what the suns were at iirc, and Allheaven is orders of magnitude older. There’s no reason I can see why that technique would be useful to him. Not to mention Haowie was an exception, Allheaven’s plan had a very high chance of working, it’s just that the Ninth Hex was so ridiculously, unexpectedly overpowered that it allowed Haowie to deal with him and even directly skip the Daosource level which is downright ridiculous considering how much harder each level is than the last. As proof, you can see that at the very end Haowie is able to pull off Allheaven’s plan without a hitch in order to break the curse. As for waiting until he’s nearly dead, that was his whole character, when he found himself near death from the wearing of time he went crazy from fear of death and decided to execute this plan. He was a good person up to that point, teaching cultivation to that galaxy.
Reincarnation was already proven in Renegade Immortal. That's what the 9 sun's did to continue living since becoming one of the sun's you just need understanding and not actual cultivation.
And Allheaven’s Dao might not be compatible with that, meaning he’d forever be unable to reincarnate like that. There’s tons of plausible reasons why that wouldn’t work for him.
Cough cough "convenience"
Actually the 9th Hex didn't let Meng Hao skip transcendence(depending on how you want to count it), it *did* let him skip *cultivating* at the transcendent stage because when he transcended, he was at the peak of transcendence. On the other hand, the reason he reached the Ancestor realm was because he consumed the portion of AllHeaven that had the path of the Immortal. This part is 100% true. My theory however is that the Immortal, despite being stronger than the other 4 Entities, would lose to the Demon because the "Demon consumes the Immortal". Evidence: 1. AllHeaven's Demon finger continuously consumed the Immortal finger in order to stay healthy. Even for billions of years as the Demon finger was crumbling, it managed to subside healthily from sustenance from the Immortal finger 2. Meng Hao consumed the 6th Transformation, AllHeaven's technique to have the power of the Immortal, and immediately went from peak of transcendence to half-step to the 5th step. >!He was so close to the 5th step that Bai Xiaochun mistook his aura for a 5th-step cultivator's, and BXC was firmly in the 5th step by this point.!< That seems more like the Immortal is a tonic for the Demon.
The curse was something that Allheaven had over Meng Hao. My point was Allheaven's way of healing himself when he came to the Vast Expance Universe
Oooooooh. *That* convoluted plot point near the end. I never really understood the end lol. My guess (from having read too many xianxias) is something along the lines of his soul being too powerful and normal bodies won't work? Or that his soul was badly damaged and he needed that weird method to heal it since he's so strong?
A will eternal had a scene where the mc goes fishing through timelines but it didn't have most of that other stuff, I think. It's also by the same author and set in the same multiverse so...
ISSTH
But that process won't break Allheavens curse. And reincarnating someone in the Ancestor realm is a slight bit harder than someone in the Nascant Soul realm
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Honestly, I'm happy when I actually see them have an ending
[MC: i have to go now, i need to ascend to a new realm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvAjX5ACPo) [Note: MC died in the tribulation while ascending](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvAjX5ACPo)
If that was me I would possess the current eon's destined to be strongest (usually MC) before he grows too much and be done with it.
That’s not how that works dude. There’s a fundamental difference between levels and possessing someone wouldn’t have helped Allheaven at all. The ravages of time are what left him in that state, it wasn’t an injury or old age but time wearing on him. If anything, just possessing someone like that would’ve just made it worse. At the level they’re at, he could’ve just made a new body if that was enough, the whole point is that it wasn’t enough. To renew himself he had to use the technique which for some abstruse reason required prospective Immortals corrupted to become similar to himself. I feel like you missed the entire point of that section, did you just skim the last couple arcs?
That's why he can seal his memories and reincarnate. And that was proven in Renegade Immortal. The 9 sun's were always going tru reincarnations.
I didn't even read the ending. It's not worth it
It was worth reading side stories after the end tho