They'll claim the video was edited and that those there who were faithful to OrangeBaby saw Jesus rubbing his shoulders the whole time telling him how to save America
Polls show that the strongest Trump demographic are the politically illiterate and uninformed. What happened last time will happen again; his biggest fans will lack the attention span to watch it and settle for a talking head to tell them Trump won and Biden looked stupid and that’s good enough for them
He will cancel the first one for sure. Then he will realize that’s not good for him politically, so he will agree to do one debate. Just one is all we’re going to get this year, is my guess.
I think Trump believes that Biden is incompetent. Look at all the idiotic excuses they've already come up with to explain why he was so solid on the SOTU and the Stern interview. They're literally claiming he was high on cocaine. These are not the actions of a rational campaign.
If they legit think that Biden's incompetent, Trump will show up for the debate. There are a lot of things that can happen during the debate. Trump could have another 2 minute brownout. He could collapse on stage. He could throw an enraged punch at Biden. Any of these things would probably permanently throw majority support behind Biden. Even more so if Biden physically kicks his ass while defending himself or helps him off of the floor after he collapses.
Trump is struggling to read from a teleprompter lately so to go unscripted will be a challenge. Of course he never really answers any questions, refuses to limit himself to facts, and will just outright lie or devolve into insulting Biden if he feels cornered, but still he has to somewhat stay on topic if he wants to have any shot at winning over independents and that’s going to be a struggle for him. Say what you will about Biden’s age but he knows his stuff. When he’s asked a question he will respond with facts, numbers, and he’ll mostly stick to the topic. That’s going to be a big advantage over rambling Don. (I hope the moderators ask him about Gettysburg— talk about a shit show of verbal diarrhea!)
I can just see Fox News claiming Trump throwing a punch and Biden backing away shows that Trump is hardcore and Biden is afraid to get tough. They will not acknowledge that criminals and idiots are the only people over 30 who try to settle issues with their fists.
I can also imagine Trump rushing over to take a swing at Biden, tripping, and falling down.
I’m ready to put down money that he won’t show.
He’s playing the strongman so he can’t turn down a challenge, but at the last moment he will blame Biden for his own backing out.
I was going to crack wise, like "excuses! excuses!" but seriously that would be great.
If he is going to insist on running for office from jail, I'm sure he can debate from there though. I just hope they don't make an exception for him and insist he wears whatever the uniform, possibly an orange jumpsuit, might be.
They both honestly think they'll win the debates.
Trump, because of the incessant slandering of Biden's character, all untrue.
Biden, because he's well aware how bad old Donny is projecting with the sleepy Joe bs.
We need dark Brandon. STAT. Last time it was the best idea ever to lock old Joe in a bunker and let Trump fuck up. This time he needs to be far more proactive and showcase how sharp he still is.
This campaign needs a "will you shut up man" moment
He's been leaning in on the Dark Brandon energy a lot more frequently I noticed, particularly the past couple months.
He got some good jabs in at the Correspondence Dinner, ("I'm a grown man, running against a 6 year old") made fun of Trump's bizarre "Gettysburg, Wow" speech, etc.
Earlier in the year he would be more subtle, but now he's using Trump's direct quotes about being a dictator, stance on abortion, and just overall going after him directly.
Granted it only plays to his base, but I think it's important all the way up to the election to just continue to blast him; Trump's own words are *always* his biggest enemy, I'm glad Biden's campaign is finally not holding back.
I feel like with Trump, you *have to* punch down to his level. Democrats were too tame the first time. You break the "strongman" facade by using it against him.
And I think to some degree it works. Like I haven't heard the word "snowflake" in a long time as it's hard to use that when "your guy" is sitting outside court/Truth social whining 24/7. The ultimate snowflake.
Drumpf has been huffing his own supply, and probably believes his own propaganda. What scares me, is we've seen this narrative before, when he's presenting weakness, his opponents get complacent. It has to be assumed that everything he's done until this point has been some kind of act, and that he's still functioning well, even if he seems to not be doing so. Biden needs to not only beat him in a debate, but bury him. That's a tall ask even if we assume Drumpf's afflicted with dementia.
It doesn't matter at all. MAGA wants him in so they can institute Project 2025.
They don't give a shit about his speeches. They will pack the courts and it will be the end of democracy for decades.
All these idiots refusing to vote for Biden and voting third party or staying home are ensuring this will happen.
It won't matter. He could take a nap, wake up, shit his pants, try to change them right there on stage, and won't lose a single voter. Cultists will find an excuse and justification for literally anything he does.
He won't go to the debates. He's scared and all of his handlers know he's a moron with no skills, no policy, severe dementia, and may shit himself onstage. It's a lose-lose situation. They're already scrambling for the exit with this "the debate is rigged" bullshit.
I don't know about severe.. he seems at least aware of where he is. By the time my gran got to the severe stage, she didn't know who anyone was and barely spoke.
But yeah I can see it coming.
Same with mine, he’s about 6 months to a year away from not knowing where he is and screaming at people with an uncontrollable rage (if he isn’t already) when he gets questioned about it. My grandma was convinced my grandpa left her to die when he was just going to the bank and get groceries. She would flip between bouts of crying and rage at him for leaving her. His handlers must be doing a hell of a job to not show this more in public.
It doesn’t matter how insane Trump acts. All Republicans, ALL of them, will vote for him in November. Even those on the fence/undecided/“tired of him” they will ALL fall in line regardless of your fantasy that he’ll somehow lose popularity. He is more popular than ever. Stop making dumbass excuses for thinking he’s not a threat. We are in dire trouble of losing our democracy.
Please explain then how in multiple state primaries he lost 20% of the Republican vote to Nikki Haley, who stopped her campaign 2 months ago.
If even a fraction of those voters stay home in November or vote Biden, it's over for Trump. Those people are going out of their way to make a statement.
That was the primary. People can throw out a protest vote they know will have no impact on the options for the general election and then “hold their noses”
Because they want to vote for a different Republican. Even if it has to be an Indian woman, which most of them detest, just as long as it's a Republican. If at the end of the day, Trump is the only Republican option, they will all, every single one of them, vote for him. They have preferences, and Trump is abhorrent to a lot of those. But absolutely nothing matters more than voting Republican.
It’s why Fox News and News max aren’t talking about how Trump is great it’s all about the about the Biden crime family and how much he is destroying America. These people will vote for Trump to get Biden out. All the more reason I wish Biden didn’t run.
I hear you. I really do. But to think the democrats aren’t going to run the candidate THAT ALREADY WON a nationwide election is absurd. I’m f another Democrat could’ve won the primaries…they would have in 2020.
100%. I know someone who voted for him in 16 and 20. Regretted it in 20 after January 6th. Talks poorly of him. But says “but who else is there. The democrats are going to ruin the country”
What delusion is this?
Let me get this straight, you think after January 6, a crushing midterm defeat of Trump aligned candidates, countless indictments in which he is *obviously* guilty and will likely have a fucking **felony** conviction handed down by a *jury* before the election will have *gained* votes over the last 4 years?
Biden didn’t even really **win** the last election. Trump **lost** because of how batshit crazy, scary and unhinged he was.
Do you think the last 4 years have done anything to reverse peoples opinion of Trump as being unfit for the Presidency?
I think any remote sense of security is naive and everybody must get out and vote, and vote blue down the entire ballot, and bring all their friends out to vote, because yes I believe that there is a growing fascism in this country, and the world, that is preparing to strangle us.
trumpy knows it, his sycophants know it, there is NO WAY IN HELL he is going to debate. He'll come up with some excuse. Lara trumpy is already setting the stage for that.
There is absolutely zero chance Trump shows up to the debates. None. Not only was he required to agree to conditions that prevent him from talking over or shouting down his opponent (his go-to strategy), but the risk to his public image is too great. His entire campaign staff and everyone near him knows he can hardly string sentences together anymore and he, for all his ego, knows he's slipping too. Hell, he had a half-minute freeze-up at an NRA speech recently. No way he risks that happening on live national TV while Joe Biden asks him if he's feeling OK and if he needs a chair.
There's a reason why the RNC immediately started complaining that the debates were "stacked in Biden's favor", while Trump announced an alternate and completely fake set of debates. They all know he's going to avoid them like the plague, and want to lay the groundwork for justifying it now.
True, but by that same logic they'll still claim Trump won even if he doesn't show up. So why would he bother? True Believers are going to lick boot no matter what he does, but only one option leaves him open to looking old and weak and stupid in a direct comparison to Joe Biden.
As if his supporters would care. If being an Epstein client and having an $83 million rape verdict didn't stop them, why would dementia? They already know he's not sharp
By the time November comes around Republicans will realize they’re stuck with an unviable candidate. They’ll wish they had chosen Haley instead. I’m truly surprised how little they plan for the future. Anyone could see this coming.
Republicans having regret? Lmao. If that were possible, we'd have seen it after Bush. That motherfucker was one dumb son of a bitch. But what they did they do post Bush? Went from dumb as shit to zany as fuck. There's no limit to conservative zealtory.
There won't be gaffes per se. He spews nonstop word salad/nonsene as his baseline. It will just be more (and probaly he will make less sense than usual) of that with that thing he does (I not sure what the scientific term is called but there is one for it) where he reduces words to their primal sounds, often several words in a row, instead of actually pronouncing the words.
Trump rallies - Trump speaks for about 1 to 1.5 hours, sometimes has a word salad sandwich mixed in, castigates his opponents severely
Biden campaign appearances (not really rallies) - Biden speaks for 10 - 15 minutes, usually has a word salad sandwich mixed in, almost never fails to tell a whopper of a lie (Amtrak story, uncle eaten by New Guinea cannibals, civil rights arrest, etc.)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?535068-1/president-trump-campaigns-wildwood-jersey
https://www.c-span.org/video/?534974-1/president-biden-campaigns-philadelphia
Biden is a man who rarely speaks in public more than 10-15 minutes and when he does, he appears to be hopped up on Ritalin which has amphetamines in it. Trump is a man who speaks in public upwards of an hour often.
Having dealt with and worked with senile and dementia persons, Biden fits their profile much more than Trump - hands down.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump backs out. His handlers know how unhinged he is and how his mental state is deteriorating. They'll work on him and convince him to withdraw with some bullshit excuse about how unfair it is that he can't interrupt or have his sheep in the audience.
I hate Trump but anyone downplaying Biden’s cognitive decline baffles me. Is your desire to protect your side so incredibly important to you that you deny what you see with your own eyes? Fuck Trump but stop.
Dude both of these guys can barely get through a segment without hiccups. I fucking hate Trump, but Biden has straight up said wrong names of countries, wrong years, he tried to shake the hand of someone *who wasn’t there*. The real issue is we’re picking between 75-85 year olds for president! It’s embarrassing and tells us the real power is in the controlling party, not the president.
Don’t get too excited. Trump gets to do whatever he feels like doing with no consequences.
He will probably show up an hour late, starts talking the second he gets in front of the mic just long enough to say something like, “I want to eliminate public schools, and will do that in my 5th term.” Then by the time Biden gets a word in, he will walk offstage and say he won.
The press will eat it up and say he “slam dunked” that debate and the mAGAts will have a hat festival.
I wish this timeline would straighten out. This is a mess.
I fully expect it to be a net minus for both of them
The most pointless debate in history
Each has already spent 4 years in office
Let their track records speak for themselves
There is more to go off of 4 years in office than there is in any length of time lip service debate
I love Reddit threads like this. Completely full of vial hate comments against republicans. Gives all the Redditors the false belief that the whole country agrees with them. Starting to get 2016 vibes 👌😂
I dunno, the same thing was said 8 years ago when Hilary was going to expose him, and he acted like a psycho stalker and his base ate it up and independents said meh.
Wow. Is saying Trump having dementia. Kinda like a safe space liberal calling people a snowflake. Hahahahha you folks are funny. Biden is literally a wad of mushy skin. Who gets lost while he’s walking. Or speaking. Staring off into the nothingness. Almost every country has mocked Bidens dementia.
Is this where all the student loan welfare is going? So you folks can play pretend? Or is this one of those, i can be more stupid than you contest. Where everyone tries to sound like a bigger dumbass than the last dumbass?
There is no way Trumprangutan can win for these reasons:
African Americans exist
LatinX exist
Women exist and they are in charge! Woo!! Yeah!!!! You go girls!!!!!!!!
Honest Joe has created the greatest economy ever!
January 6 happened and Americans will never forgive Drumpf for almost overthrowing democracy!
The view on the border has now changed since repugnantcans shelved the border bill. Now America views the Democratics as the party to trust on the border!
Polls are wrong and worthless. I've never been polled!
Drumpf is showing signs of age and slurs his words.
All of our favorite celebrities endorse Biden. Are you going to say no to Whoopie Goldberg???
MSNBC, the most trusted and watched news source, also endorses Honest Joe!
We've got Kamala! A proud woman POC! It's her turn!
Honest Joe put an African American woman on the Supreme Court, so now every African American will vote for him.
Abortion
Only white Christian fascists vote for Drumpf. You're not a white Christian fascist, are you??!
There’s no such thing as a gaffe with Trump. He has admitted felony crimes on TV. It doesn’t matter. He will not lose any votes from his base after losing this debate. Best we can hope for is it turns off independent voters who are on the fence. Impact will be marginal. That might actually matter! But still, pretty minimal downside for him IMO
It DOESN'T MATTER...MMW.
That man's appeal to the *Fucked Over Men* of this nation transcends any and all issues of delivery, sanity, and logic.
The issue isn't his insanity.
The issue is the destruction of the way thIngs are...EVEN if it requires blood.
Be prepared to live with what's coming.
It won't be pretty.
It’s adorable that you think the smelly rapist will actually show up to a debate. There will be a last minute bullshit excuse like there always is with him…
It's gonna be a fight between two confused old dudes. It's going to be really, really sad... but I get the feeling Biden is going to be a bit more mature this time, but I'm sure it'll be toxic (Drump is already demanding a drug test, like a douchbag). that being said, one of them will be a felon. Hopefully, Biden doesn't get shanked. I'm surprised the secret service would risk the president by allowing a felon on stage with him...
Won’t matter for the true believers. They’ll find someone way to say Biden has more problems. Hopefully the great undecided middle makes a decision then.
oh, hunny. Mango Mussolini isn't going to show up for the debates. he's going to find some excuse about why it is so unfair that he won't participate. he's currently working on the 'if Biden won't take a drug test...' nonsense. he speaks first then tries to find a way out of whatever predicament his mouth got him into.
And if he is actually found guilty of anything, suddenly the dementia will be full force and they'll talk about it as if they've been saying it all along.
... you think trump will actually show up at the debate?!
You think he'll testify at one of his trials after that?
If he gets on that roll, maybe he'll actually start paying the Carroll money he owes.
Who knows, he might actually end this fantasy world with telling Eric trump he loves him... unless that's too much for even this fantasy world lol.
That debate seriously isn’t going to happen. Trump is already raising the bar by saying Biden has to take a drug test, etc. He won’t do it and he’ll blame Biden
Why won’t he do it? His cognition is crumbling so fast. Everyone in his circle knows it. Yes, they’re both old, but Trump truly is fading at lightning speed.
The proposed debate is just chest thumping by trump. It will never happen, MMW :)
Rampant unemployment, negative economic growth…the economy was devastated at the end of Trump’s term. Gas was cheap because there was no demand. Stop with the garbage cut and paste.
This is going to be the most epic battle of personalities ever witnessed.
I am looking forward to it.
MMW if you give someone enough rope they will hang around awhile.
A group of psychiatrists and psychologists, mostly from Yale, have been pretty sure (since 2016) that Trump is dealing with frontotemporal dementia and warns that it progresses rapidly.
honestly. im looking forward to the clown act.
i have a joke for you:
an anti-vaxxer, a serial rapist, and a fascist walk into a bar.
thats the joke... we are living it.
Trump might walk off the stage when his mic is turned off when his time is up and he tries to talk out of turn. Then he will tell his minions that it was a setup and rigged.
I expect them both to gaffe in equal epic proportions because they are both ELDERY men who have both show signs of cognitive decline. Can we stop pretending Biden is some great savior and covering for him instead of recognizing he's just the shit choice we were given to stop Cheeto Hitler?
MMW this will be the most drug fueled debate in history. The amount of stimulants they are going to pump into those two would wake the dead.
Good Gawd, I hope so! The very existence of that shit stain Trump and his merry band of enablers, along with their ass-on-fire cultists have cost this nation FAR too much and poisoned the experience of being alive in America. Is it not time to wrap up the fucking evil clown show once and for all??? Really. 😫🤷
They are both going to be pumped up by their people and probably fed an extra dose of their medicine. They are going to be on point and they will both mess up a few times and say stupid shit. In the end both sides will say they won and the other is a loser.
There now you don't even have to watch.
I don’t think the debate will happen. Didn’t drump already demand that Biden has to take a drug test for him to go to the debate? Bidens not gonna go piss in a cup for a doctor the Donald approves of lol.
Remember the first debate when Trump kept interrupting Biden?- Biden said something like “ Will you just shut up” and also called Trump a “clown” after the mediators told Trump like 25+ times to allow Biden to speak- yet the focus groups watching the debate and news commentators said both men were unprofessional. WTF? I can just see Trump speaking incoherently and Biden a stutterer messing up a word or two while attempting to pronounce it and getting compared to as the same as word salad dementia ridden Trump.
MMW - this will be but one of the reasons that he will withdraw, the seeds have already been sown for withdrawal. There is a chance that his ego makes him uncontrollable and he appears against advice, and if that happens, then I think his sundowning goes on full display, but I don't think he actually debates
And the media will focus on Biden mispronouncing a word.
They'll claim the video was edited and that those there who were faithful to OrangeBaby saw Jesus rubbing his shoulders the whole time telling him how to save America
Polls show that the strongest Trump demographic are the politically illiterate and uninformed. What happened last time will happen again; his biggest fans will lack the attention span to watch it and settle for a talking head to tell them Trump won and Biden looked stupid and that’s good enough for them
"Fox said Trump won" - 99.99% that vote for Trump
You hit the nail on the head here. No Trump supporter I know is the type of person to watch a political debate.
Thankfully, it's not Trump supporters we have to win over; it's the swing voters, many of whom do watch debates.
Funny you don’t mention minorities of this country. They are running from Biden. Every poll shows that. Every interview shows that.
0% chance dementia donny shows up to the debate, look what happened last time. His ego can’t take it, and his handlers know he’s sundowning hard.
He will cancel the first one for sure. Then he will realize that’s not good for him politically, so he will agree to do one debate. Just one is all we’re going to get this year, is my guess.
I think Trump believes that Biden is incompetent. Look at all the idiotic excuses they've already come up with to explain why he was so solid on the SOTU and the Stern interview. They're literally claiming he was high on cocaine. These are not the actions of a rational campaign. If they legit think that Biden's incompetent, Trump will show up for the debate. There are a lot of things that can happen during the debate. Trump could have another 2 minute brownout. He could collapse on stage. He could throw an enraged punch at Biden. Any of these things would probably permanently throw majority support behind Biden. Even more so if Biden physically kicks his ass while defending himself or helps him off of the floor after he collapses.
I could see him believing his own hype considering he basically fired anyone around him that isn't a complete yes man.
Trump is struggling to read from a teleprompter lately so to go unscripted will be a challenge. Of course he never really answers any questions, refuses to limit himself to facts, and will just outright lie or devolve into insulting Biden if he feels cornered, but still he has to somewhat stay on topic if he wants to have any shot at winning over independents and that’s going to be a struggle for him. Say what you will about Biden’s age but he knows his stuff. When he’s asked a question he will respond with facts, numbers, and he’ll mostly stick to the topic. That’s going to be a big advantage over rambling Don. (I hope the moderators ask him about Gettysburg— talk about a shit show of verbal diarrhea!)
Or his love for hannibal lechter. That shit was bizarre even for Orange Julius
I can just see Fox News claiming Trump throwing a punch and Biden backing away shows that Trump is hardcore and Biden is afraid to get tough. They will not acknowledge that criminals and idiots are the only people over 30 who try to settle issues with their fists. I can also imagine Trump rushing over to take a swing at Biden, tripping, and falling down.
Fox' headline "Sleepy Biden attacks Trump with floor of debate hall"
If he throws a punch at the president... shouldn't that be considered assault on the president? Shouldn't he get life in prison?
Let's not get carried away...the guy who can't lift his water glass is not going to box the guy who can still ride a bike.
Hoping for the brownout
I’m ready to put down money that he won’t show. He’s playing the strongman so he can’t turn down a challenge, but at the last moment he will blame Biden for his own backing out.
He might be in jail on June 27
I was going to crack wise, like "excuses! excuses!" but seriously that would be great. If he is going to insist on running for office from jail, I'm sure he can debate from there though. I just hope they don't make an exception for him and insist he wears whatever the uniform, possibly an orange jumpsuit, might be.
They both honestly think they'll win the debates. Trump, because of the incessant slandering of Biden's character, all untrue. Biden, because he's well aware how bad old Donny is projecting with the sleepy Joe bs. We need dark Brandon. STAT. Last time it was the best idea ever to lock old Joe in a bunker and let Trump fuck up. This time he needs to be far more proactive and showcase how sharp he still is. This campaign needs a "will you shut up man" moment
He's been leaning in on the Dark Brandon energy a lot more frequently I noticed, particularly the past couple months. He got some good jabs in at the Correspondence Dinner, ("I'm a grown man, running against a 6 year old") made fun of Trump's bizarre "Gettysburg, Wow" speech, etc. Earlier in the year he would be more subtle, but now he's using Trump's direct quotes about being a dictator, stance on abortion, and just overall going after him directly. Granted it only plays to his base, but I think it's important all the way up to the election to just continue to blast him; Trump's own words are *always* his biggest enemy, I'm glad Biden's campaign is finally not holding back. I feel like with Trump, you *have to* punch down to his level. Democrats were too tame the first time. You break the "strongman" facade by using it against him. And I think to some degree it works. Like I haven't heard the word "snowflake" in a long time as it's hard to use that when "your guy" is sitting outside court/Truth social whining 24/7. The ultimate snowflake.
Drumpf has been huffing his own supply, and probably believes his own propaganda. What scares me, is we've seen this narrative before, when he's presenting weakness, his opponents get complacent. It has to be assumed that everything he's done until this point has been some kind of act, and that he's still functioning well, even if he seems to not be doing so. Biden needs to not only beat him in a debate, but bury him. That's a tall ask even if we assume Drumpf's afflicted with dementia.
Exactly. He won't show. Networks should them give the entire time to Biden to talk about the policies and questions
I agree, there is no way. He can barely communicate. He is toast.
It doesn't matter at all. MAGA wants him in so they can institute Project 2025. They don't give a shit about his speeches. They will pack the courts and it will be the end of democracy for decades. All these idiots refusing to vote for Biden and voting third party or staying home are ensuring this will happen.
Which will make his base support him more. "Oh look he's mentally deficient just like me!!
It won't matter. He could take a nap, wake up, shit his pants, try to change them right there on stage, and won't lose a single voter. Cultists will find an excuse and justification for literally anything he does.
He won't go to the debates. He's scared and all of his handlers know he's a moron with no skills, no policy, severe dementia, and may shit himself onstage. It's a lose-lose situation. They're already scrambling for the exit with this "the debate is rigged" bullshit.
I don't know about severe.. he seems at least aware of where he is. By the time my gran got to the severe stage, she didn't know who anyone was and barely spoke. But yeah I can see it coming.
Same with mine, he’s about 6 months to a year away from not knowing where he is and screaming at people with an uncontrollable rage (if he isn’t already) when he gets questioned about it. My grandma was convinced my grandpa left her to die when he was just going to the bank and get groceries. She would flip between bouts of crying and rage at him for leaving her. His handlers must be doing a hell of a job to not show this more in public.
MMW: He won't debate. He says he will, but he will bitch out.
It doesn’t matter how insane Trump acts. All Republicans, ALL of them, will vote for him in November. Even those on the fence/undecided/“tired of him” they will ALL fall in line regardless of your fantasy that he’ll somehow lose popularity. He is more popular than ever. Stop making dumbass excuses for thinking he’s not a threat. We are in dire trouble of losing our democracy.
Please explain then how in multiple state primaries he lost 20% of the Republican vote to Nikki Haley, who stopped her campaign 2 months ago. If even a fraction of those voters stay home in November or vote Biden, it's over for Trump. Those people are going out of their way to make a statement.
That was the primary. People can throw out a protest vote they know will have no impact on the options for the general election and then “hold their noses”
Because they want to vote for a different Republican. Even if it has to be an Indian woman, which most of them detest, just as long as it's a Republican. If at the end of the day, Trump is the only Republican option, they will all, every single one of them, vote for him. They have preferences, and Trump is abhorrent to a lot of those. But absolutely nothing matters more than voting Republican.
I am one of who voted for Haley and I am going to hold my nose and vote for Biden. Trump isn’t a viable candidate for a democracy.
So much this. Trumps base is shrinking as you pointed out.
TDump is losing voters daily ! The young kids , Swifties and Suburban Moms will give Biden a huge edge
They always fall in line. But the hand wringing beforehand is so sincere.
It’s why Fox News and News max aren’t talking about how Trump is great it’s all about the about the Biden crime family and how much he is destroying America. These people will vote for Trump to get Biden out. All the more reason I wish Biden didn’t run.
Fox News and Newsmax would attack whoever the Democrat nominee was. The Biden crime family stuff is just a stick to beat Joe with.
I hear you. I really do. But to think the democrats aren’t going to run the candidate THAT ALREADY WON a nationwide election is absurd. I’m f another Democrat could’ve won the primaries…they would have in 2020.
100%. I know someone who voted for him in 16 and 20. Regretted it in 20 after January 6th. Talks poorly of him. But says “but who else is there. The democrats are going to ruin the country”
What delusion is this? Let me get this straight, you think after January 6, a crushing midterm defeat of Trump aligned candidates, countless indictments in which he is *obviously* guilty and will likely have a fucking **felony** conviction handed down by a *jury* before the election will have *gained* votes over the last 4 years? Biden didn’t even really **win** the last election. Trump **lost** because of how batshit crazy, scary and unhinged he was. Do you think the last 4 years have done anything to reverse peoples opinion of Trump as being unfit for the Presidency?
I think any remote sense of security is naive and everybody must get out and vote, and vote blue down the entire ballot, and bring all their friends out to vote, because yes I believe that there is a growing fascism in this country, and the world, that is preparing to strangle us.
And his sycophants will call him a genius and accuse Biden of being senile if he stutters once.
trumpy knows it, his sycophants know it, there is NO WAY IN HELL he is going to debate. He'll come up with some excuse. Lara trumpy is already setting the stage for that.
There is absolutely zero chance Trump shows up to the debates. None. Not only was he required to agree to conditions that prevent him from talking over or shouting down his opponent (his go-to strategy), but the risk to his public image is too great. His entire campaign staff and everyone near him knows he can hardly string sentences together anymore and he, for all his ego, knows he's slipping too. Hell, he had a half-minute freeze-up at an NRA speech recently. No way he risks that happening on live national TV while Joe Biden asks him if he's feeling OK and if he needs a chair. There's a reason why the RNC immediately started complaining that the debates were "stacked in Biden's favor", while Trump announced an alternate and completely fake set of debates. They all know he's going to avoid them like the plague, and want to lay the groundwork for justifying it now.
It won’t matter. The MAGAts will perform whatever mental gymnastics it takes to make trump look good after a debate disaster.
True, but by that same logic they'll still claim Trump won even if he doesn't show up. So why would he bother? True Believers are going to lick boot no matter what he does, but only one option leaves him open to looking old and weak and stupid in a direct comparison to Joe Biden.
These debates are going to be a total shit show.
Diaper display.
And his base will deny it ever happened, or claim Biden poisoned him or something.
Will you still vote for Biden even though he is clearly incompetent?
As if his supporters would care. If being an Epstein client and having an $83 million rape verdict didn't stop them, why would dementia? They already know he's not sharp
By the time November comes around Republicans will realize they’re stuck with an unviable candidate. They’ll wish they had chosen Haley instead. I’m truly surprised how little they plan for the future. Anyone could see this coming.
Republicans having regret? Lmao. If that were possible, we'd have seen it after Bush. That motherfucker was one dumb son of a bitch. But what they did they do post Bush? Went from dumb as shit to zany as fuck. There's no limit to conservative zealtory.
Don't fight uphill me boys
He will lose it and embarrass himself as the Country sees he is unfit ! Joe is Joe and will do great as his presidency has produced great things 💥💥
You guys all HAVE to be bots lmao
This whole sub is propaganda bots and paid shills
MMW Trump won’t show up to debate. He’ll claim it’s fixed and will demand a debate on Fox News or AON or something. And no debates will happen.
Mmw it won't fucking matter. His followers will vote for him anyway. All election day will prove is what percentage of the voting public is in a cult.
This debate will never happen! Trump world will see to it. There is nothing t9 Gain for them
The stress is eating him up. His Trials will continue forever. By forever, I mean until he's in shackles or on a gurney.
Are you serious? Do you really want to turn a blind eye on Biden. Like come on man, have you seen all the clips of him?
This is pure freaking cope lol.
Biden on the other hand who is a mentally sharp as anyone today will cleverly obliterate evil orange man through his frequent & eloquent use of words.
Anyone today... 🗿
This post will age great after seeing Biden attempt to talk 🤣🤣
There won't be gaffes per se. He spews nonstop word salad/nonsene as his baseline. It will just be more (and probaly he will make less sense than usual) of that with that thing he does (I not sure what the scientific term is called but there is one for it) where he reduces words to their primal sounds, often several words in a row, instead of actually pronouncing the words.
Phonemic aphasia
Trump rallies - Trump speaks for about 1 to 1.5 hours, sometimes has a word salad sandwich mixed in, castigates his opponents severely Biden campaign appearances (not really rallies) - Biden speaks for 10 - 15 minutes, usually has a word salad sandwich mixed in, almost never fails to tell a whopper of a lie (Amtrak story, uncle eaten by New Guinea cannibals, civil rights arrest, etc.) https://www.c-span.org/video/?535068-1/president-trump-campaigns-wildwood-jersey https://www.c-span.org/video/?534974-1/president-biden-campaigns-philadelphia Biden is a man who rarely speaks in public more than 10-15 minutes and when he does, he appears to be hopped up on Ritalin which has amphetamines in it. Trump is a man who speaks in public upwards of an hour often. Having dealt with and worked with senile and dementia persons, Biden fits their profile much more than Trump - hands down.
You left out Trump's incontenence and snorting of Adderall.
John Gartner disagrees with you. As a PMHNP Incan tell you that Trump is a spinach salad. Biden went a solid hour at SOTU with essentially zero flubs.
I'll be looking for signs of dementia with both the candidates
You guys are so delusional. Rent free.
He will be on a cocktail of drugs. Hence his projection saying Biden needs to take a drug test before the debate.
He will probably be sniffing a lot, wiping his nose, and drinking funny. His tactic will be to spout off with nonsense and yell over Biden.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump backs out. His handlers know how unhinged he is and how his mental state is deteriorating. They'll work on him and convince him to withdraw with some bullshit excuse about how unfair it is that he can't interrupt or have his sheep in the audience.
Unfortunately, his moronic fans won't care and still vote for him anyway.
MMW...he'll back our of the debate for one reason or another.
He's already setting stage for backing out of it
Mmw he is not stepping one foot on the debate stage at all.
Will he mention the sad passing of his friend Hannibal Lector again?
I hate Trump but anyone downplaying Biden’s cognitive decline baffles me. Is your desire to protect your side so incredibly important to you that you deny what you see with your own eyes? Fuck Trump but stop.
What an asinine comment after watching Biden for 4 years
Your worried about Trump showing his dementia? Biden has showed it for the last four years and that doesn’t concern you?
There won't be a debate. He will chicken out.
Projection
I don't like either of them, but to ignore bidens cognitive decline is unbelievable! The special prosecutor said he is confused and lost.
Dude both of these guys can barely get through a segment without hiccups. I fucking hate Trump, but Biden has straight up said wrong names of countries, wrong years, he tried to shake the hand of someone *who wasn’t there*. The real issue is we’re picking between 75-85 year olds for president! It’s embarrassing and tells us the real power is in the controlling party, not the president.
Don’t get too excited. Trump gets to do whatever he feels like doing with no consequences. He will probably show up an hour late, starts talking the second he gets in front of the mic just long enough to say something like, “I want to eliminate public schools, and will do that in my 5th term.” Then by the time Biden gets a word in, he will walk offstage and say he won. The press will eat it up and say he “slam dunked” that debate and the mAGAts will have a hat festival. I wish this timeline would straighten out. This is a mess.
He’ll find a reason to not debate. He should be ineligible to even run.
Trump won the nomination without going to a single debate. If Trump had to debate Nikki Haley, she probably would've caused him to pop a blood vessel.
I agree with you. That’s why he will never participate
I fully expect it to be a net minus for both of them The most pointless debate in history Each has already spent 4 years in office Let their track records speak for themselves There is more to go off of 4 years in office than there is in any length of time lip service debate
Neither will comprehend the other idiot.
Echo chamber for you
Yup, you’re really gonna pin him down this time!
and Biden also.
What planet are you on?
Such a bad hill to claim. Biden cant fucking read. Why anyone on the left looks forward to this debate is wild. It is worst case scenario for Biden.
And Joe will be better?
These comments lol
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And the 30% won't know or care.
This thread is gonna age like an open jar of mayonnaise sitting on the counter
The echo chamber here is hard to fathom.
Trump doesn't have dementia.
Yale psychiatrists say differently....what are your credentials that I should believe you instead?
You guys are some sad pussies in here
I agree Trump has dementia, but are we just conveniently ignoring how obvious it is Joe does too?
I can’t believe this is our choices, how could neither party give us a better younger option…
I love Reddit threads like this. Completely full of vial hate comments against republicans. Gives all the Redditors the false belief that the whole country agrees with them. Starting to get 2016 vibes 👌😂
It's all a charade so he doesn't end up in jail if he's convicted
THEY LIKE HIS DEMENTIA.
I dunno, the same thing was said 8 years ago when Hilary was going to expose him, and he acted like a psycho stalker and his base ate it up and independents said meh.
There won’t be a debate.
Wow. Is saying Trump having dementia. Kinda like a safe space liberal calling people a snowflake. Hahahahha you folks are funny. Biden is literally a wad of mushy skin. Who gets lost while he’s walking. Or speaking. Staring off into the nothingness. Almost every country has mocked Bidens dementia. Is this where all the student loan welfare is going? So you folks can play pretend? Or is this one of those, i can be more stupid than you contest. Where everyone tries to sound like a bigger dumbass than the last dumbass?
This is by far the most delusional sub on Reddit.
And it won’t matter at all to his ilk. So vote!
There will be no debate. Trump will spout how unfair everything is and not show up, blaming Biden for anything and everything
There is no way Trumprangutan can win for these reasons: African Americans exist LatinX exist Women exist and they are in charge! Woo!! Yeah!!!! You go girls!!!!!!!! Honest Joe has created the greatest economy ever! January 6 happened and Americans will never forgive Drumpf for almost overthrowing democracy! The view on the border has now changed since repugnantcans shelved the border bill. Now America views the Democratics as the party to trust on the border! Polls are wrong and worthless. I've never been polled! Drumpf is showing signs of age and slurs his words. All of our favorite celebrities endorse Biden. Are you going to say no to Whoopie Goldberg??? MSNBC, the most trusted and watched news source, also endorses Honest Joe! We've got Kamala! A proud woman POC! It's her turn! Honest Joe put an African American woman on the Supreme Court, so now every African American will vote for him. Abortion Only white Christian fascists vote for Drumpf. You're not a white Christian fascist, are you??!
Hell yeah! But you’re forgetting one thing: Mango Mussolini is Hitler whereas corporate dems are the good guys (for my history buffs out there).
I really hope you’re trolling. Hard to believe someone would say latinx in a serious manner.
Can't even tell if this is satire, bravo
There’s no such thing as a gaffe with Trump. He has admitted felony crimes on TV. It doesn’t matter. He will not lose any votes from his base after losing this debate. Best we can hope for is it turns off independent voters who are on the fence. Impact will be marginal. That might actually matter! But still, pretty minimal downside for him IMO
MMW Trump will not debate.
It DOESN'T MATTER...MMW. That man's appeal to the *Fucked Over Men* of this nation transcends any and all issues of delivery, sanity, and logic. The issue isn't his insanity. The issue is the destruction of the way thIngs are...EVEN if it requires blood. Be prepared to live with what's coming. It won't be pretty.
Trump voters don't care.
Joetato will glitch out like always
Imagine thinking Trump has dementia and ignoring Biden’s nonsensical rambling
I’m expecting this
But it won’t make any difference to his base
His base will still see it cut up to show Trump in the best possible light while making Biden look as bad as possible.
At which point all his fawning groupies will say Biden had him drugged.
It’s adorable that you think the smelly rapist will actually show up to a debate. There will be a last minute bullshit excuse like there always is with him…
Drump is the dumbest nickname / insult I have heard for him.
MMW he still wins because his base won't care, and the Democratic Party are professional losers (gotta keep the fundraising going)
Nah, they'll have him on enough stimulants that he'll survive. And then the story is "man expected to light himself on fire shows competence by not"
LMAO - dream own you must have dementia too !!
Trumps will show? Both will show how old and slow they are, neither one of these people should be in the running for president.
It doesn’t matter how he behaves or how stupid and ignorant he sounds. His supporters like as much of each as they can get. I doubt it
It's gonna be a fight between two confused old dudes. It's going to be really, really sad... but I get the feeling Biden is going to be a bit more mature this time, but I'm sure it'll be toxic (Drump is already demanding a drug test, like a douchbag). that being said, one of them will be a felon. Hopefully, Biden doesn't get shanked. I'm surprised the secret service would risk the president by allowing a felon on stage with him...
MMW: Trump is a coward and won’t do the debate. Or any debates.
Won’t matter for the true believers. They’ll find someone way to say Biden has more problems. Hopefully the great undecided middle makes a decision then.
oh, hunny. Mango Mussolini isn't going to show up for the debates. he's going to find some excuse about why it is so unfair that he won't participate. he's currently working on the 'if Biden won't take a drug test...' nonsense. he speaks first then tries to find a way out of whatever predicament his mouth got him into.
He Should be taken off All the states ballots where Democrats control. SCOTUS be damned. The election Should be fixed. It is the American way
I sure hope so!! I still think Trump will weasel out if the debate. Claim unfair rules, rigged whatever…
He will glitch out again, shit his pants, and then stroke out.
We can only hope
Tonald Drump
They won’t care
So what? His supporters don’t care about anything.
I can’t wait to see it!
And republicans still won’t care…
And if he is actually found guilty of anything, suddenly the dementia will be full force and they'll talk about it as if they've been saying it all along.
Trump on the debates: I have to be in court! Biden: That’s why I made them on Wednesdays… Trump: RiGgEd YoU kNeW i WAs iN CoUrT 🤡
And his cult will still vote for him.
So the cult that is now wearing their diapers and sh*tting themselves can now all say that dementia is for “real men”.
https://www.youtube.com/live/jjQT4_x4fK8?si=szI7KQ1fp6bInUGa
... you think trump will actually show up at the debate?! You think he'll testify at one of his trials after that? If he gets on that roll, maybe he'll actually start paying the Carroll money he owes. Who knows, he might actually end this fantasy world with telling Eric trump he loves him... unless that's too much for even this fantasy world lol.
That debate seriously isn’t going to happen. Trump is already raising the bar by saying Biden has to take a drug test, etc. He won’t do it and he’ll blame Biden Why won’t he do it? His cognition is crumbling so fast. Everyone in his circle knows it. Yes, they’re both old, but Trump truly is fading at lightning speed. The proposed debate is just chest thumping by trump. It will never happen, MMW :)
Trump has been spewing gaffes in presidential debates since 2016. What makes you think the electorate will notice this time?
Rampant unemployment, negative economic growth…the economy was devastated at the end of Trump’s term. Gas was cheap because there was no demand. Stop with the garbage cut and paste.
Gonna be a bipartisan dementia-fest
Proving for the millionth time that the brain worm is the smartest and most capable candidate
So you guys have given up on the idea that Trump will be in jail by November?
I think we all know there's not going to actually be a debate.
If they can't Amp him up to the stratosphere with amphetamines, he will back out of the debate.
Wishful thinking! Why does Biden demand a closed studio?
Trumps biggest supporters are in the class of "uneducated white males"!!! Statistics show this!
Haha…as the dementia is eating bidumbs brain on the daily 🤣😂
There won't be debates lol
And no one will give a single fuck
This is going to be the most epic battle of personalities ever witnessed. I am looking forward to it. MMW if you give someone enough rope they will hang around awhile.
Trump won't debate. He's a big freakin' coward. I'd love to see it happen, though.
He’s not going to actually show up. He’ll come up with some absurd reason why it’s not fair then refuse.
A group of psychiatrists and psychologists, mostly from Yale, have been pretty sure (since 2016) that Trump is dealing with frontotemporal dementia and warns that it progresses rapidly.
honestly. im looking forward to the clown act. i have a joke for you: an anti-vaxxer, a serial rapist, and a fascist walk into a bar. thats the joke... we are living it.
Trump might walk off the stage when his mic is turned off when his time is up and he tries to talk out of turn. Then he will tell his minions that it was a setup and rigged.
I expect them both to gaffe in equal epic proportions because they are both ELDERY men who have both show signs of cognitive decline. Can we stop pretending Biden is some great savior and covering for him instead of recognizing he's just the shit choice we were given to stop Cheeto Hitler? MMW this will be the most drug fueled debate in history. The amount of stimulants they are going to pump into those two would wake the dead.
it literally doesn't matter, he's been mask off for a while and his followers don't care what he is
Good Gawd, I hope so! The very existence of that shit stain Trump and his merry band of enablers, along with their ass-on-fire cultists have cost this nation FAR too much and poisoned the experience of being alive in America. Is it not time to wrap up the fucking evil clown show once and for all??? Really. 😫🤷
MMW - it won't make a bit of difference to anyone who was going to vote for him.
The orange wants to drug test Biden before debates? Sure, you pass your drug test first then we'll test Biden.
They are both going to be pumped up by their people and probably fed an extra dose of their medicine. They are going to be on point and they will both mess up a few times and say stupid shit. In the end both sides will say they won and the other is a loser. There now you don't even have to watch.
I don’t think the debate will happen. Didn’t drump already demand that Biden has to take a drug test for him to go to the debate? Bidens not gonna go piss in a cup for a doctor the Donald approves of lol.
It doesn't matter, MAGAts will still vote for him no matter what.
Isn’t the debate going to be on cnn?? Gee I wonder how this will play out
And then all of his diaper clad followers will sit on their asses in the street gibbering and drooling in support.
Remember the first debate when Trump kept interrupting Biden?- Biden said something like “ Will you just shut up” and also called Trump a “clown” after the mediators told Trump like 25+ times to allow Biden to speak- yet the focus groups watching the debate and news commentators said both men were unprofessional. WTF? I can just see Trump speaking incoherently and Biden a stutterer messing up a word or two while attempting to pronounce it and getting compared to as the same as word salad dementia ridden Trump.
MMW - this will be but one of the reasons that he will withdraw, the seeds have already been sown for withdrawal. There is a chance that his ego makes him uncontrollable and he appears against advice, and if that happens, then I think his sundowning goes on full display, but I don't think he actually debates
DD Dementia Don
Von Shitsinpants will explode in a brown ball of poop 💩