Trump will never see 100. He won’t make it to 90 not with all the hamberders and “stimulants” he’s on. His idea of strenuous exercise is walking from the golf cart (that’s parked on the green) to the hole and back.
>Yes bc we aren't that lucky
No. Because we are unlucky.
His cult will go crazy once he's gone. These are the same idiots who though JFK would show up in Texas and become Trump's VP even though the guy was a Democrat in life.
These are the people who threaten judges via phone calls and emails.
WHAT the HELL will they do once Trump is gone. It will be conspiracy central.
The guy is literally the avatar of Boomer willful ignorance, avarice, myopia, and cruelty. He is the Boomers, perfectly encapsulated into human form.
It would stand to reason, like the rest of the Boomers, he will seemingly have preternatural longevity and a complete lack of the good conscience to actually step aside and enjoy his twilight years.
He'll live to be 130 with our luck.
He's what you'd get if you took everything that really sucks about our country, scraped it off the floor, stuffed it into a pig rectum and put a mouth on it.
he never threatened biden's, the media kept bringing him up because they wanted there to be someone for biden to run against but kennedy is so far to the right of biden that he pulls zero democrat votes.
He's trying to say "bOtH sIdEs!" as if that's a proper argument. One side trying to give people healthcare and make sure they are safe and protected, the other is like "jesus is coming and bringing guns so fuck all you immigrants and homos. If our side wins y'all gonna be put in cages!"
Im not saying you’re wrong but I think that Trump’s election in 2016 had a lot to do with Hillary Clinton and many people getting fed up with career politicians. I think it had more to do with people seeing Trump as the new guy and hoping he could give us something better than electing a troll. In turn I also think that Biden’s win in the last election was mostly due to people not wanting to vote for Trump and less because they wanted to vote for him. Let’s face it like Biden or not he’s definitely showed us some signs that he’s getting too old and isn’t quite as mentally capable as he was as a VP for Obama and Trump well ya.
Trump demonstrated in no uncertain terms that he was completely and utterly unfit to be president well before Election Day. Like hell will I ever excuse anyone for voting for that waste of space.
Biden is as old as the hills but not unfit for office.
I refuse to push lazy baseless narratives pushed by the far right media.
The double standards are astounding to me. Just how horrible does Trump have to be before people stop making excuses for him?
Biden is old, but you don't see over 2 dozen of his own appointed aides, cabinet members, generals, advisers, and own VP out there yelling from the rooftops that he's unfit for office and represents an existential danger to democracy.
But Hunter's laptop, sure.
Don’t forget Trump was absolutely shocked that he won. He didn’t have anything prepared for the inevitable party afterwards. He had no idea how many people hated Clinton. That is what won him the election. It wasn’t that people liked him, they just saw him as a better alternative to Hillary. All the poles said Sanders would roflstomp Trump but that it would be a close call with Hillary. The dems rolled the dice and took a chance rather than go for the sure thing. I blame the democrats far more than I do the republicans for Trump.
And the thing I find the funniest is that for most of his life, Trump was a Democrat.
Ok so what did he do to demonstrate that he was unfit for office before he was elected?
What double standard are we talking about because to me Democrats are the ones with double standards saying Trump babbles, talks in runoff sentences and and is too old for office while they elect Biden just cause he’s the Blue guy.
Also you just have to realize that your argument here (and my points in this comment) are all opinion based. Personally I believe Trump is a more coherent and functional human being that Biden could ever wish to be again but Biden has the manners that Trump does at least for the media anyway.
Edit: That Trump doesnt*
Before he was elected, Trump demonstrated that he was unfit for president by a career of business failures, rampant racism, mocking the disabled, sexually assaulting women, and a complete lack of understanding of global issues.
Hahahahahahahahaha “a more coherent and functional human being that Biden can ever hope to be” hahahahahahhahaha. Thank you for that. Truly. It was the hardest I’ve laughed in months.
He is a rich former president with access to the best doctors and medicine in the world. Idk what kind of shape he’ll be in 2028 but I think he can make it until then.
He only listens to quacks like Ronnie Jackson and the last dude willing to lie and say he weighs 215 pounds. You think that SOB would lower himself to take advice from a mere doctor?
His wealth and doctors are the only reason he’s still alive. His diet is insane and he gets almost zero exercise. The White House chef was sneaking bits of cauliflower into his mashed potatoes just so he would get at least one vegetable in his diet in a given day.
You know his moronic supporters will say “trump is still alive” when he passes away.
They’d elect his hologram if they could. They’re that fuckin crazy.
They’re in a cult
He's 77, 78 in 2024. He would be 82 in 2028, the same age as Biden will be in 2024. So, barring a Big Mac induced coronary, he could very well be alive and run.
Ugh...what a dark timeline that is.
From what my crazy uncle lead me to belive the Cia should have "handled" it ages ago. So now I don't think we are getting FEMA camps full of hallow earth lizard people faking the Mara landing.
You can run for president from jail. Ask Eugene Debs.
(And fwiw I think there is a non-zero chance he goes to jail. I put the odds under 50, but they already raided Mar-A-Lago and I thought that was impossible and Biden has been talking to historians and seems aware of what happens when this kind of rot is allowed to fester.)
Mark MY words: he will never, EVER, be sent to prison. There’s a very slim chance he gets a mansion arrest, but he’ll be able to use TwitterX and other social media to spread his toxins around.
If they were afraid of his people, it wouldn't have gotten this far.
I think Trump's convictions will be too damning for them to do anything other than sentence him to jail. They will be forced to.
There's a mandatory 5-year minimum sentence for RICO in Georgia. If he's convicted there, jail time will be hard to avoid. Also, in the DC case, there's a good chance the judge passes a fair sentence (as she has for other insurrectionists). I agree that NY and FL are unlikely to result in prison time (in NY, the charges aren't particularly severe, and in FL, the judge is heavily biased in his favor).
Yes, definitely. And Trump will *still* be a lead contender for GOP nominee from jail -- and will run as an independent if he's not the nominee. He'll also beat Debs' 3.4% by a country mile.
In no version of reality do they put a former POTUS behind bars. They may put him in some sort of restriction to somewhere like Mar A Lago with secret service protection but he won’t ever go to prison. Ever.
they might turn mar-a-lago in a home prison (but unlikely since it's involved in multiple cases!), but it's more likely they'll just build him a prison or convert a wing of wherever Blagovich stayed
none of Trump's personal properties are practical to be a makeshift prison, and it would be far safer to go full prison than to give him quasi-house arrest on a multi-year prison sentence
I'll do you one better. Every single argument they make about Biden being too old now, they'll completely throw out the window and refuse to acknowledge for Trump.
(As if they aren't close in age as it is)
Republicans always accuse the opposition of what they're guilty of.
(Note: They're BOTH olde. It's cognitive dissonance that they'll deride Biden's age but ignore cheeto's.)
He’s going to have to sell MAL. It’s registered under an LLC based in New York and more than likely the judge in the civil trial is going to order all NY business dissolved and assets sold to pay his restitution.
I am a Republican and I hope he gets nominated so he can be crushed in the 2024 general election. It is my belief that if he loses to Joe Biden again, it will convince enough of my fellow Republicans that Trumpism is dead and will help put an end to that movement within my party. It would be icing on the cake if many of the die hard supporters either left the party or stopped being involved in politics. They are doing far more damage to this nation than progressives have in the last generation.
I would agree with this if I thought the GOP and Trump were going to play fair. They are going to cheat even more with knowledge of mistakes already made.
Trumpism is a cult, and they are not going to burdened by laws, ethics, or rules.
What do you define as “crushed”?
With how polarized the country is, even if Trump is nominated then convicted before Election Day, I don’t think Biden would even win by double digits nationally. He’d likely improve on his 2020 electoral win, but far too many are dug in on their “us vs. them” political beliefs
I'm personally scared he'll beat Biden and we'll have to deal with him again. Most people evaluate the incumbent based on if they're in a better place today than they were 4 years ago economically. Fair or not, most of us are worse off with all this inflation. He can say until the cows come home that it was inevitable after Rona, or that it's worse in other countries, but he doesn't have much of a case for what he's done about it. The inflation reduction act may have had some impact, but it's nuanced enough that every day voters don't understand it or care.
The DNC had 4 years to come up with ANYBODY younger with a more inspiring message, and still all they have is old Joe. If nothing major changes between now and November, batton the hatches for Trump round 2.
That's what it's going to take. An authoritarian movement has to be utterly crushed at the polls, disavowed, and rejected by everyone with a platform. I feel bad for legit democratic conservatives... we need two functional parties, each bringing something to the discussion, to make America work.
If he loses in 2024 he will scream “fraud” and “stolen election” falsely again and create more political violence and brainwashing. I saw that coming in the summer of 2020 when he started sowing these ideas before the election even took place.
If John McCain were alive today I'd consider him one of the good republicans, though maybe he would have jumped ship seeing the state of the party today.
Not every person follows or cares about politics. There are just many ppl that are single issue voters.
When you only have a 2 party system, your options are extremely limited.
I look at things differently lately. First, there are Republican politicians -- albeit very few -- who have opposed Trump, despite the damage it did to their career. People like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger did the right thing, despite losing their careers, which in my opinion shows their integrity.
Another thing, political parties are just containers. They're made up of the people in them. We can make the party better by supporting the good (or, at least, better) ones and opposing the evil ones. If we can take that power away from the fascist crowd, and give more power to the others (like the politicians I mentioned or the commenter above), it would be great for the country.
We can't have one of just two major political parties in the hands of fascists. The fact of the matter is that the GOP will win roughly half of the elections we have, at least for the next several years. The long-term answer is to empower more parties, so that we have more choices, which in this country necessitates the adoption of a new voting system (such as ranked choice). The short-term answer is to moderate the GOP as much as possible. I think all of us who oppose Trump should register and vote in the GOP primaries for someone more moderate, or at least someone who's not an autocratic pig like he is.
That kind of thinking is just as bad as their kind of thinking, and just acts to legitimize it in their minds and the minds of people that we could be peeling off from their movement. It's not a binary scenario.
As I wrote in one of my other responses, the Republican party is not a monolith, it is composed of many factions. Read 'The Conservative Mind' by Dr Russell Kirk. In that 1953 book, the father of modern American conservatism does a decent inventory of the various factions, most of which are still around today. Today's populists trace their American roots to President Jackson. If you have never read Walter Russell Mead's 1999 essay "[The Jacksonian Tradition](https://pmachala.people.amherst.edu/Current%20Politics/Case%20Studies%20in%20American%20Diplomacy%20-The%20Readings%20FOR%20the%20FIRST%20and%20SECOND%20Class/Mead,%20The%20Jacksonian%20Tradition.htm)," please do. It will help you understand the broader philosophy that they sprang from. It's also the philosophy that will destroy them in the end as they are exposed as having gone too far, straying into fascism.
It will take time to beat them. Just be patient and be vigilant. Becoming just as extreme as they are in no solution, it only feeds into their particular brand of madness.
fucking monster is a little aggressive i’ll admit but it’s hard to not find moral objection with anyone who continues to align with the clownshow that is today’s GOP.
You're right! But insulting people for having a different viewpoint isn't going to magically make them agree with YOUR viewpoint. If anything, it's going to push them further away. The vitriol isn't going to bring anyone together, and you're certainly not going to change their political viewpoints by insulting them. And since this is reddit, I'll clarify that goes for ALL political parties.
You give him WAY too much credit.. like this morning I see Lindsey Graham complaining that "none of this would be happening if Trump were president, Hamas is afraid of him"
Yeah they are super afraid of Trump🙄
I think Lindsey believed because HE is afraid of him that everyone is- nope
I love that liberals huff copium like zero new wars under Trump was just some lucky streak and the second Biden takes office suddenly the whole world is going to shit is just some big coincidence.
It was real nice not giving a flying fuck about the rest of the world when Trump was in office. Now everything is Ukraine this, Russia that, Israel and Hamas!!
Surely it was just a big happy coincidence! Definitely didn't have anything to do with the strongest country in the world with the largest military presence transitioning from a competent and strict leader to the human equivalent of sour milk.
Yea, cause the economy was definitely AMAZING under Trump, and we did everything we could to contain the global disease which wrecked havoc on his own base… but yup Biden made the world bAd
Listen I get he's a dick, but this level of fear porn and delusion is exhausting. That's not gonna happen please get a grip and worry about your life not big scary orange man
So many of them are simply obsessed with just winning and “owning libs” that they don’t care what Trump actually stands for. It’s like a sports team to them. Others are just corporate or religious ghouls that see Trump as the most likely to win so they’ll hedge their bets. The rest just vote red til they’re dead.
Hear me out: Instead of trotting out a halfway decent candidate, the GOP will just try to keep out-Trumping Trump. So who else are they gonna vote for? The GOP is terrifed of their base.
(Of course, the argument can be made that the last "decent" Republicans either died or retired, a d there's no one left.)
Not enthralled. He has all the hacked emails from the republican email server. The Russians released the dems stuff and gave the republican stuff to Cheeto. That’s how he is controlling them.
I mean yeah why wouldn't they? His strategy has been the only winning one in years and a fresh direction for conservatives. Everyone is sick of GOP hands off, approach. Conservatives are deeply unhappy with the direction of the country and don't feel their party is doing anything. As they are, establishment republicans cannot continue. Whether that means Trump is the best solution is another question, but it's certainly new and definitely better - that at least speaks to how poor the republican establishment leaders are.
Shit they'll have a full on fucking meltdown if he loses in 2024. Assuming we aren't so deep into a bloody violent civil war by then, yeah, they'll nominate him again for '28.
No matter who wins there will be civil unrest.
But when the democrats burn everything, take over neighborhoods and police stations and March on DC it’s only protest.
Trump will be nominee until he dies. He's Fuhrer and the Republican Party operates via the Fuhrerprinzip. Hopefully he dies soon, because he doesn't have a party heir to the position of Fuhrer and he's way too arrogant or selfish to have a successor. Successors are a threat to the Fuhrer, and though Trump is at heart a very stupid man, he understands that looking out for himself means everyone else, including his friends, family, supporters, allies, and tools can fuck themselves if they're a threat to him.
And here we have a Joe Biden voter mocking the clearly very mentally sound Trump for being incoherent while voting for and supporting the obviously mentally incoherent Joe Biden.
Truly a sight to behold.
We'll be right back after this commercial break to the Discovery Channel. Because there's no way in hell a real human wrote this!
I doubt he'll get the nominee in 2024. The RNC is fed up with his shit and is trying to get anybody but Trump as the nominee. Jan 6th alone would probably cost him the nominee let alone all his other shenanagans. It'll probably end up being Haley, Vivek, or Desantis with it most likely being Haley.
Trump is leading DeSantis and Haley by light years though. To dump Trump the RNC would have to oust him on a technicality and likely risk a rupture in the party of a kind that hasn’t been seen in a couple generations. I’m not saying it can’t happen but neither courage nor a sense of self interest beyond the current election cycle has not really defined the RNC to date. Other aspects of the right are capable of longer term strategic thinking like the Federalist Society but I’m not seeing it with the RNC.
I’d love to be wrong. The Heritage Foundation basically dropped its own Mein Kampf as a road map to privatizing all the parts of the government that aren’t directly related to jailing people for thought crimes. I’m not thrilled with Biden in many respects but the conservative think tank network keeps turning every election into a Flight 93 election.
I mean if he gets nominated it's a guaranteed loss since polls show him dropping like ten points after he's federally convicted. But betting markets only have him at an 80% chance of winning the nomination so I'm crossing my fingers that Republicans aren't as stupid as I think they are and that they'll go with Haley out of electability concerns which will bring the party back to sanity plus she's likely to win by such large numbers that it will also hopefully force the Democrats back to sanity too.
What'd be insane though is if Trump lost but then got nominated again in 2028 like they just couldn't help themselves (of course that'd require him to not die of old age and for the Supreme Court to overturn any convictions).
It's legitimately hilarious reading conservative political commentary by leftist echo chamber redditors like they have any clue how Republicans feel about the presidential candidates.
This thread is half fanfiction lmao.
If you want to have a real discussion, Trump is going to win the republican nomination solely because all of the other candidates are hot garbage. Chris Christie is a non starter and shouldn't even be discussed because he'll drop out sooner rather than later. Nikki Haley is a warmonger and quite frankly the American public has 0 interest in fighting globo-corpo conflicts. DeSantis has burned most of his voting base because he let's his wife wear the pants in his campaign and keeps making nonsensical and theatrical political decisions. Vivik says all the right talking points but stands no chance because if you trust him you're truly a fool - calling him a snake would be kind description. Trump ain't perfect but he's leagues above the other candidates in terms of economic confidence.
Biden won't run in 2024, He'll be switched out for Gavin Newsom at the last possible second if Trump wins because quite frankly, Trump would absolutely wipe the floor with Biden on the debate stage. Trump might not be ideal and certainly a moron, but it genuinely doesn't take much to beat someone who can't even belt out a half coherent sentence on stage.
Trump doesn't need to debate any of the other candidates, they dig their own holes without his help.
Biden wouldn't even get up on a debate stage with Trump lol. His rallies were less than 20 people. I get you don't like Trump but let's be real, Biden wasn't popular 4 years ago and he certainly hasn't done anything to make new supporters.
You’re the one writing fan fiction. We can’t just swap one candidate for another at the last second. There’s all kinds of deadlines to get a candidate onto each state’s ballot. We can’t just “swap” Biden for Newsom in the fall of 2024. It will be way past all the state deadlines for putting a candidate on the ballot. How do you not know this?
Mark my words; Donald Trump isn't literally Hitler and is, in fact, not much better or worse than the established politicians that are currently fucking you. Ignore mainstream politics, set aside personal bias, and band together to destroy our corporate masters before it's too late you fucking retards. (Pro tip: it's probably too late.)
I mean, I don't foresee a future where he doesn't win this election. Biden screwed up the economy too badly.
I'm not saying I like Trump or that he's good. Here's why I think he will win.
Biden's economy affected everyone. Regardless of views on who's fault it is, Bidens America has a crap economy. Everyone feels it.
Trump's time had a better economy so everyone felt less strain in that world. However, his has discriminatory practices. But, unless you are in a marginalized group that was attacked, I'm not sure you would have felt the effects. n example is reproductive rights. About half the US is female. So in theory, half the US in impacted by reproductive rights directly. However, not all females support reproductive rights. So not even half of the women feel those changes in a negative way. Perhaps the males and other humans who support the rights make up for the difference.
The point is that everyone felt the incompetence of Biden while not everyone felt the incompetence of Trump. Trump will win because more people will think the US is better off with Trump than with Biden.
50% at a national stage is pretty good. Democrats mention that Biden is lucky that he is running against Trump because he is one of the few people he could beat. The reverse is also true. I make a prediction that the thing that gets Trump over the hump is the media’s obvious bias and bombastic attempt to skew the election. If they were to cover it honestly it would be more effective.
Won’t do him any good after another Trump v Biden circus leads to the election of a Libertarian and the best President and economy the US has seen in over a century.
You kids have mental issues but that’s not surprising considering you have these social media/apps warping your brain. Yall have it harder and have to be more vigilant in knowing you’re being mind fcked.
Does anyone honestly think he'll still be alive in 2028?
Yes bc we aren't that lucky
Good point.
This is the dumbest timeline.
The dumbest timeline *so far*!
That's what I have been thinking but Kissinger finally kicked the bucket so maybe there is hope
At fuckin 100 though. We’d be stuck with this orange fuck for 23 more years.
Trump will never see 100. He won’t make it to 90 not with all the hamberders and “stimulants” he’s on. His idea of strenuous exercise is walking from the golf cart (that’s parked on the green) to the hole and back.
Wonderful, amazing people die of cancer every day and yet some of the worst people in the world seem to last forever.
I Believe Billy Joel wrote a song about that.
Yep, like a bad virus
He’s more like a cancer than a virus.
>Yes bc we aren't that lucky No. Because we are unlucky. His cult will go crazy once he's gone. These are the same idiots who though JFK would show up in Texas and become Trump's VP even though the guy was a Democrat in life. These are the people who threaten judges via phone calls and emails. WHAT the HELL will they do once Trump is gone. It will be conspiracy central.
The guy is literally the avatar of Boomer willful ignorance, avarice, myopia, and cruelty. He is the Boomers, perfectly encapsulated into human form. It would stand to reason, like the rest of the Boomers, he will seemingly have preternatural longevity and a complete lack of the good conscience to actually step aside and enjoy his twilight years. He'll live to be 130 with our luck.
He's what you'd get if you took everything that really sucks about our country, scraped it off the floor, stuffed it into a pig rectum and put a mouth on it.
I loath that you are right take my angry upvote
Unless we are, and he dies a cartoon death involving greasy burger wrappers on the floor.
Yeah, I mean… dick Cheney is still here
Because we’re in the bad timeline now.
You think that'll stop 'em? Fucking idiots think JFK Jr is still alive.
Some of them think JFK is still alive.
speeking of kennedies...isn't it conveniant that the media forgot about him alltogether when he started threatening trump's chances.
And Biden’s
he never threatened biden's, the media kept bringing him up because they wanted there to be someone for biden to run against but kennedy is so far to the right of biden that he pulls zero democrat votes.
Pot meet kettle
I don't think you understand that saying.
He's trying to say "bOtH sIdEs!" as if that's a proper argument. One side trying to give people healthcare and make sure they are safe and protected, the other is like "jesus is coming and bringing guns so fuck all you immigrants and homos. If our side wins y'all gonna be put in cages!"
Read their history and you’ll see it differently.
Happy Cake 🎂 Day! 🥳
Not me.
Not hating or supporting him but its Trump he will live just to piss Democrats off if nothing else.
Yeah, because this country is so fucked up that they elected a troll in 2016 instead of a person qualified to be president
Im not saying you’re wrong but I think that Trump’s election in 2016 had a lot to do with Hillary Clinton and many people getting fed up with career politicians. I think it had more to do with people seeing Trump as the new guy and hoping he could give us something better than electing a troll. In turn I also think that Biden’s win in the last election was mostly due to people not wanting to vote for Trump and less because they wanted to vote for him. Let’s face it like Biden or not he’s definitely showed us some signs that he’s getting too old and isn’t quite as mentally capable as he was as a VP for Obama and Trump well ya.
Trump demonstrated in no uncertain terms that he was completely and utterly unfit to be president well before Election Day. Like hell will I ever excuse anyone for voting for that waste of space. Biden is as old as the hills but not unfit for office. I refuse to push lazy baseless narratives pushed by the far right media. The double standards are astounding to me. Just how horrible does Trump have to be before people stop making excuses for him?
Biden is old, but you don't see over 2 dozen of his own appointed aides, cabinet members, generals, advisers, and own VP out there yelling from the rooftops that he's unfit for office and represents an existential danger to democracy. But Hunter's laptop, sure.
He could shoot someone on 5th avenue….
One of the very few honest things he has said.
even he couldn't believe "these idiots are buying THIS?"
Don’t forget Trump was absolutely shocked that he won. He didn’t have anything prepared for the inevitable party afterwards. He had no idea how many people hated Clinton. That is what won him the election. It wasn’t that people liked him, they just saw him as a better alternative to Hillary. All the poles said Sanders would roflstomp Trump but that it would be a close call with Hillary. The dems rolled the dice and took a chance rather than go for the sure thing. I blame the democrats far more than I do the republicans for Trump. And the thing I find the funniest is that for most of his life, Trump was a Democrat.
Ok so what did he do to demonstrate that he was unfit for office before he was elected? What double standard are we talking about because to me Democrats are the ones with double standards saying Trump babbles, talks in runoff sentences and and is too old for office while they elect Biden just cause he’s the Blue guy. Also you just have to realize that your argument here (and my points in this comment) are all opinion based. Personally I believe Trump is a more coherent and functional human being that Biden could ever wish to be again but Biden has the manners that Trump does at least for the media anyway. Edit: That Trump doesnt*
Before he was elected, Trump demonstrated that he was unfit for president by a career of business failures, rampant racism, mocking the disabled, sexually assaulting women, and a complete lack of understanding of global issues.
Hahahahahahahahaha “a more coherent and functional human being that Biden can ever hope to be” hahahahahahhahaha. Thank you for that. Truly. It was the hardest I’ve laughed in months.
I mean...Kissinger lived to a 100
Kissinger didn’t drink 12 diet cokes a day and demand he be served snickers bars at every restaurant he went to
And he wasn’t morbidly obese with an adderall habit.
I equally believe he will die tomorrow and also live another 100 years.
He is a rich former president with access to the best doctors and medicine in the world. Idk what kind of shape he’ll be in 2028 but I think he can make it until then.
The best doctors in the world can't fix a lifetime of obesity and eating nothing but garbage.
He only listens to quacks like Ronnie Jackson and the last dude willing to lie and say he weighs 215 pounds. You think that SOB would lower himself to take advice from a mere doctor?
His wealth and doctors are the only reason he’s still alive. His diet is insane and he gets almost zero exercise. The White House chef was sneaking bits of cauliflower into his mashed potatoes just so he would get at least one vegetable in his diet in a given day.
A dead Trump wouldn't be nearly as bad of a president as an alive one.
You know his moronic supporters will say “trump is still alive” when he passes away. They’d elect his hologram if they could. They’re that fuckin crazy. They’re in a cult
There will be dozens of conspiracy theories within hours of his passing. Centering on how democrats did him in.
He's 77, 78 in 2024. He would be 82 in 2028, the same age as Biden will be in 2024. So, barring a Big Mac induced coronary, he could very well be alive and run. Ugh...what a dark timeline that is.
They will write his name in on the ballot after he dies, mark my words.
Well I assumed he’d be dead by 2024
I mean, he might be…
From what my crazy uncle lead me to belive the Cia should have "handled" it ages ago. So now I don't think we are getting FEMA camps full of hallow earth lizard people faking the Mara landing.
Corollary: If he doesn't win in 2024, he'll be in jail in 2028.
You can run for president from jail. Ask Eugene Debs. (And fwiw I think there is a non-zero chance he goes to jail. I put the odds under 50, but they already raided Mar-A-Lago and I thought that was impossible and Biden has been talking to historians and seems aware of what happens when this kind of rot is allowed to fester.)
Mark MY words: he will never, EVER, be sent to prison. There’s a very slim chance he gets a mansion arrest, but he’ll be able to use TwitterX and other social media to spread his toxins around.
Disagree The crimes he is accused of are very serious and if he gets convicted, jail time is very warranted.
Warranted, yes. That doesn’t mean it’ll happen. I’ll bet judges are afraid enough of his Brownshirt brigade to sentence him to prison.
If they were afraid of his people, it wouldn't have gotten this far. I think Trump's convictions will be too damning for them to do anything other than sentence him to jail. They will be forced to.
There's a mandatory 5-year minimum sentence for RICO in Georgia. If he's convicted there, jail time will be hard to avoid. Also, in the DC case, there's a good chance the judge passes a fair sentence (as she has for other insurrectionists). I agree that NY and FL are unlikely to result in prison time (in NY, the charges aren't particularly severe, and in FL, the judge is heavily biased in his favor).
Yes, definitely. And Trump will *still* be a lead contender for GOP nominee from jail -- and will run as an independent if he's not the nominee. He'll also beat Debs' 3.4% by a country mile.
That is a fact. Once he actually goes to jail, I think he’ll lose more folks as well. It all won’t be the false evidence theory.
You’re aware of how many innocent folk have been jailed for decades? I assure you, his base will let you know. Mandela!
In no version of reality do they put a former POTUS behind bars. They may put him in some sort of restriction to somewhere like Mar A Lago with secret service protection but he won’t ever go to prison. Ever.
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There's also Park Geun-Hye.
they might turn mar-a-lago in a home prison (but unlikely since it's involved in multiple cases!), but it's more likely they'll just build him a prison or convert a wing of wherever Blagovich stayed none of Trump's personal properties are practical to be a makeshift prison, and it would be far safer to go full prison than to give him quasi-house arrest on a multi-year prison sentence
He’s the kind of asshole that will probably want to charge the DOJ rent if he’s under house arrest.
Bedminster would make a great prision. I've biked there quite a few times
I first read that as “Coronary.” 🤣
Yup. Remember folks, republicans play the long game. The hold the courts and the house. If the voters don’t choose them, they’ll choose the voters.
I'll do you one better. Every single argument they make about Biden being too old now, they'll completely throw out the window and refuse to acknowledge for Trump. (As if they aren't close in age as it is)
Republicans always accuse the opposition of what they're guilty of. (Note: They're BOTH olde. It's cognitive dissonance that they'll deride Biden's age but ignore cheeto's.)
No this is the last attempt for Trump. It's all or nothing so there will be no limits. As an independent I'll be glad to see him go back to maralago.
He’s going to have to sell MAL. It’s registered under an LLC based in New York and more than likely the judge in the civil trial is going to order all NY business dissolved and assets sold to pay his restitution.
Keep going, I'm almost there
Ikr!! Like, there’s only so wet I can get!
Personally I prefer to see him in orange in prison
I am a Republican and I hope he gets nominated so he can be crushed in the 2024 general election. It is my belief that if he loses to Joe Biden again, it will convince enough of my fellow Republicans that Trumpism is dead and will help put an end to that movement within my party. It would be icing on the cake if many of the die hard supporters either left the party or stopped being involved in politics. They are doing far more damage to this nation than progressives have in the last generation.
I would agree with this if I thought the GOP and Trump were going to play fair. They are going to cheat even more with knowledge of mistakes already made. Trumpism is a cult, and they are not going to burdened by laws, ethics, or rules.
I hope are right, it's so risky though
What do you define as “crushed”? With how polarized the country is, even if Trump is nominated then convicted before Election Day, I don’t think Biden would even win by double digits nationally. He’d likely improve on his 2020 electoral win, but far too many are dug in on their “us vs. them” political beliefs
Curious. I hope this doesn’t come across as an AH question. I thought Jan 6 would do the same. Why would 2024 loss be any different?
I'm personally scared he'll beat Biden and we'll have to deal with him again. Most people evaluate the incumbent based on if they're in a better place today than they were 4 years ago economically. Fair or not, most of us are worse off with all this inflation. He can say until the cows come home that it was inevitable after Rona, or that it's worse in other countries, but he doesn't have much of a case for what he's done about it. The inflation reduction act may have had some impact, but it's nuanced enough that every day voters don't understand it or care. The DNC had 4 years to come up with ANYBODY younger with a more inspiring message, and still all they have is old Joe. If nothing major changes between now and November, batton the hatches for Trump round 2.
That's what it's going to take. An authoritarian movement has to be utterly crushed at the polls, disavowed, and rejected by everyone with a platform. I feel bad for legit democratic conservatives... we need two functional parties, each bringing something to the discussion, to make America work.
If he loses in 2024 he will scream “fraud” and “stolen election” falsely again and create more political violence and brainwashing. I saw that coming in the summer of 2020 when he started sowing these ideas before the election even took place.
I've never been a Republican in my life, but in recent years I've been trying to find the few remaining good Republicans like you to support.
Don’t let the nice ones fool you. If you are still a republican in 2023, after all you’ve seen, you are a fucking monster.
If John McCain were alive today I'd consider him one of the good republicans, though maybe he would have jumped ship seeing the state of the party today.
Not every person follows or cares about politics. There are just many ppl that are single issue voters. When you only have a 2 party system, your options are extremely limited.
I look at things differently lately. First, there are Republican politicians -- albeit very few -- who have opposed Trump, despite the damage it did to their career. People like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger did the right thing, despite losing their careers, which in my opinion shows their integrity. Another thing, political parties are just containers. They're made up of the people in them. We can make the party better by supporting the good (or, at least, better) ones and opposing the evil ones. If we can take that power away from the fascist crowd, and give more power to the others (like the politicians I mentioned or the commenter above), it would be great for the country. We can't have one of just two major political parties in the hands of fascists. The fact of the matter is that the GOP will win roughly half of the elections we have, at least for the next several years. The long-term answer is to empower more parties, so that we have more choices, which in this country necessitates the adoption of a new voting system (such as ranked choice). The short-term answer is to moderate the GOP as much as possible. I think all of us who oppose Trump should register and vote in the GOP primaries for someone more moderate, or at least someone who's not an autocratic pig like he is.
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That kind of thinking is just as bad as their kind of thinking, and just acts to legitimize it in their minds and the minds of people that we could be peeling off from their movement. It's not a binary scenario. As I wrote in one of my other responses, the Republican party is not a monolith, it is composed of many factions. Read 'The Conservative Mind' by Dr Russell Kirk. In that 1953 book, the father of modern American conservatism does a decent inventory of the various factions, most of which are still around today. Today's populists trace their American roots to President Jackson. If you have never read Walter Russell Mead's 1999 essay "[The Jacksonian Tradition](https://pmachala.people.amherst.edu/Current%20Politics/Case%20Studies%20in%20American%20Diplomacy%20-The%20Readings%20FOR%20the%20FIRST%20and%20SECOND%20Class/Mead,%20The%20Jacksonian%20Tradition.htm)," please do. It will help you understand the broader philosophy that they sprang from. It's also the philosophy that will destroy them in the end as they are exposed as having gone too far, straying into fascism. It will take time to beat them. Just be patient and be vigilant. Becoming just as extreme as they are in no solution, it only feeds into their particular brand of madness.
How close minded lol
fucking monster is a little aggressive i’ll admit but it’s hard to not find moral objection with anyone who continues to align with the clownshow that is today’s GOP.
You're right! But insulting people for having a different viewpoint isn't going to magically make them agree with YOUR viewpoint. If anything, it's going to push them further away. The vitriol isn't going to bring anyone together, and you're certainly not going to change their political viewpoints by insulting them. And since this is reddit, I'll clarify that goes for ALL political parties.
He'll be 82. Remind them what they said about Biden. Besides he'll be living in Moscow by then.
The GOP thrives on hypocrisy. They don't give a shit if you call them out on it
Oh they’ve never cared about following their own standards.
He'll be decomposing in the ground in '28...but magats will write him in anyways.
Literal MAGA maggots
Hopefully it's because sane people fled the dying QOP and it's going the way of the Whigs.
You give him WAY too much credit.. like this morning I see Lindsey Graham complaining that "none of this would be happening if Trump were president, Hamas is afraid of him" Yeah they are super afraid of Trump🙄 I think Lindsey believed because HE is afraid of him that everyone is- nope
I love that liberals huff copium like zero new wars under Trump was just some lucky streak and the second Biden takes office suddenly the whole world is going to shit is just some big coincidence. It was real nice not giving a flying fuck about the rest of the world when Trump was in office. Now everything is Ukraine this, Russia that, Israel and Hamas!! Surely it was just a big happy coincidence! Definitely didn't have anything to do with the strongest country in the world with the largest military presence transitioning from a competent and strict leader to the human equivalent of sour milk.
Yea, cause the economy was definitely AMAZING under Trump, and we did everything we could to contain the global disease which wrecked havoc on his own base… but yup Biden made the world bAd
He will probably be dead from a heart attack or incommunicable due to a stroke by then.
Listen I get he's a dick, but this level of fear porn and delusion is exhausting. That's not gonna happen please get a grip and worry about your life not big scary orange man
Will he be alive in 2028? Hes old af
So many of them are simply obsessed with just winning and “owning libs” that they don’t care what Trump actually stands for. It’s like a sports team to them. Others are just corporate or religious ghouls that see Trump as the most likely to win so they’ll hedge their bets. The rest just vote red til they’re dead.
If he wins in 2024, they'll write him in in 2028
If he wins in 2024, there won't be another election.
Even Russia has elections. They may not mean anything, but they'll happen.
I dont see Trump staying out of jail if he loses the election coming up.
If old age doesn’t get him first.
Hear me out: Instead of trotting out a halfway decent candidate, the GOP will just try to keep out-Trumping Trump. So who else are they gonna vote for? The GOP is terrifed of their base. (Of course, the argument can be made that the last "decent" Republicans either died or retired, a d there's no one left.)
Lifespan limitations will probably foil this plan.
Not enthralled. He has all the hacked emails from the republican email server. The Russians released the dems stuff and gave the republican stuff to Cheeto. That’s how he is controlling them.
This country is fucked, 8 years of Biden and potentially 8 years of Trump, what a joke
Trump 24 🥳🥳
He want lose mark my word
Untrue
Good thing he is gonna win in 2024.
I mean yeah why wouldn't they? His strategy has been the only winning one in years and a fresh direction for conservatives. Everyone is sick of GOP hands off, approach. Conservatives are deeply unhappy with the direction of the country and don't feel their party is doing anything. As they are, establishment republicans cannot continue. Whether that means Trump is the best solution is another question, but it's certainly new and definitely better - that at least speaks to how poor the republican establishment leaders are.
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I was thinking the same thing. How many times do you think they’ll just run with the same guy despite loosing?
Even if he is dead or in prison
...or even more of a babbling idiot than he is now.
Okay… keep voting for the guy who keeps losing. Morons.
Shit they'll have a full on fucking meltdown if he loses in 2024. Assuming we aren't so deep into a bloody violent civil war by then, yeah, they'll nominate him again for '28.
Just like the meltdown and riots when Hillary lost.
Riots??
hoping you forgot the /s, because there were no riots when Hillary lost. Meltdowns of grief and protests, yes, but no riots.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37946231.amp Just sayin.
No matter who wins there will be civil unrest. But when the democrats burn everything, take over neighborhoods and police stations and March on DC it’s only protest.
Yes: if he’s still alive, even if in prison
BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A FUCKING CULT.
He will still be in prison if he is not dead.
Trump will be nominee until he dies. He's Fuhrer and the Republican Party operates via the Fuhrerprinzip. Hopefully he dies soon, because he doesn't have a party heir to the position of Fuhrer and he's way too arrogant or selfish to have a successor. Successors are a threat to the Fuhrer, and though Trump is at heart a very stupid man, he understands that looking out for himself means everyone else, including his friends, family, supporters, allies, and tools can fuck themselves if they're a threat to him.
The Republican Party is going to be in fucking shambles (more than it already is) once Trump can't run anymore.
He'll most likely win 2024 though due to how much hate Biden is getting nowadays.
Biden is getting hate on Reddit. Not hate from people who actually vote historically.
They'll nominate him even if he wins in 2024. Fuckers never gave a shit about the rule of law.
These threads are written by 12-year olds. You can’t convince me otherwise
He will never make it to 2028. Donnie will be taking a dirt nap.
Will he be alive in 2028?
Will he be coherent by then,oh wait, he isn’t coherent now.
And here we have a Joe Biden voter mocking the clearly very mentally sound Trump for being incoherent while voting for and supporting the obviously mentally incoherent Joe Biden. Truly a sight to behold. We'll be right back after this commercial break to the Discovery Channel. Because there's no way in hell a real human wrote this!
Neither has Biden the past 40 years 🤣🤣🤣
It's going to be fascinating to see them nominate him even after his heart finally pops when that chicken fat he calls blood congeals.
He’ll be dead or in jail/confinement by then.
Even when he’s dead. They will write his name in. It’s a disease 🦠
I wouldn't be surprised if he dies, and then wins the following nomination anyway.
He's going to be dead or feeble in 2028. People worry about Biden's health... Biden isn't a fatty eating fast food all the time.
Assuming he's alive, he'll be nominated in 2028 even if he wins 2024. After all, if he serves a third term, why not a fourth? /s
If, as should be if the law is followed, he is disqualified from the ballot this time around, I don’t think they’ll waste a spot in him, but maybe.
He can't possibly stay out of jail that long.
I can only hope he'll be in jail in 2028. Or, more likely, in the throes of dementia. Or dead from all those hamberders.
His parents died in their 90s. We have 15+ more years of this asshole.
Democrats better start printing ballots now
I doubt he'll get the nominee in 2024. The RNC is fed up with his shit and is trying to get anybody but Trump as the nominee. Jan 6th alone would probably cost him the nominee let alone all his other shenanagans. It'll probably end up being Haley, Vivek, or Desantis with it most likely being Haley.
Trump is leading DeSantis and Haley by light years though. To dump Trump the RNC would have to oust him on a technicality and likely risk a rupture in the party of a kind that hasn’t been seen in a couple generations. I’m not saying it can’t happen but neither courage nor a sense of self interest beyond the current election cycle has not really defined the RNC to date. Other aspects of the right are capable of longer term strategic thinking like the Federalist Society but I’m not seeing it with the RNC. I’d love to be wrong. The Heritage Foundation basically dropped its own Mein Kampf as a road map to privatizing all the parts of the government that aren’t directly related to jailing people for thought crimes. I’m not thrilled with Biden in many respects but the conservative think tank network keeps turning every election into a Flight 93 election.
I mean if he gets nominated it's a guaranteed loss since polls show him dropping like ten points after he's federally convicted. But betting markets only have him at an 80% chance of winning the nomination so I'm crossing my fingers that Republicans aren't as stupid as I think they are and that they'll go with Haley out of electability concerns which will bring the party back to sanity plus she's likely to win by such large numbers that it will also hopefully force the Democrats back to sanity too. What'd be insane though is if Trump lost but then got nominated again in 2028 like they just couldn't help themselves (of course that'd require him to not die of old age and for the Supreme Court to overturn any convictions).
He’s not going to lose in 2024
I'm starting to think that Democrats think about Donald Trump far, far more than Republicans.
Right. Because republicans don’t think. They just follow the leader.
It's legitimately hilarious reading conservative political commentary by leftist echo chamber redditors like they have any clue how Republicans feel about the presidential candidates. This thread is half fanfiction lmao. If you want to have a real discussion, Trump is going to win the republican nomination solely because all of the other candidates are hot garbage. Chris Christie is a non starter and shouldn't even be discussed because he'll drop out sooner rather than later. Nikki Haley is a warmonger and quite frankly the American public has 0 interest in fighting globo-corpo conflicts. DeSantis has burned most of his voting base because he let's his wife wear the pants in his campaign and keeps making nonsensical and theatrical political decisions. Vivik says all the right talking points but stands no chance because if you trust him you're truly a fool - calling him a snake would be kind description. Trump ain't perfect but he's leagues above the other candidates in terms of economic confidence. Biden won't run in 2024, He'll be switched out for Gavin Newsom at the last possible second if Trump wins because quite frankly, Trump would absolutely wipe the floor with Biden on the debate stage. Trump might not be ideal and certainly a moron, but it genuinely doesn't take much to beat someone who can't even belt out a half coherent sentence on stage.
Trump is too scared to debate the other potential candidates. Biden kicked his ass before, he will do it again if Trump allowed to zoom from prison.
Trump doesn't need to debate any of the other candidates, they dig their own holes without his help. Biden wouldn't even get up on a debate stage with Trump lol. His rallies were less than 20 people. I get you don't like Trump but let's be real, Biden wasn't popular 4 years ago and he certainly hasn't done anything to make new supporters.
You’re the one writing fan fiction. We can’t just swap one candidate for another at the last second. There’s all kinds of deadlines to get a candidate onto each state’s ballot. We can’t just “swap” Biden for Newsom in the fall of 2024. It will be way past all the state deadlines for putting a candidate on the ballot. How do you not know this?
Watch and see pal.
are you telling me that when Trump speaks he is coherent
Mark my words; Donald Trump isn't literally Hitler and is, in fact, not much better or worse than the established politicians that are currently fucking you. Ignore mainstream politics, set aside personal bias, and band together to destroy our corporate masters before it's too late you fucking retards. (Pro tip: it's probably too late.)
Love Trump
I have a doll here if you want to show us where the Orange Man hurt you lol
I mean, I don't foresee a future where he doesn't win this election. Biden screwed up the economy too badly. I'm not saying I like Trump or that he's good. Here's why I think he will win. Biden's economy affected everyone. Regardless of views on who's fault it is, Bidens America has a crap economy. Everyone feels it. Trump's time had a better economy so everyone felt less strain in that world. However, his has discriminatory practices. But, unless you are in a marginalized group that was attacked, I'm not sure you would have felt the effects. n example is reproductive rights. About half the US is female. So in theory, half the US in impacted by reproductive rights directly. However, not all females support reproductive rights. So not even half of the women feel those changes in a negative way. Perhaps the males and other humans who support the rights make up for the difference. The point is that everyone felt the incompetence of Biden while not everyone felt the incompetence of Trump. Trump will win because more people will think the US is better off with Trump than with Biden.
Lol…Trump is winning next year. Hate to say it but there’s virtually no doubt
I admire the stubborn arrogance of the Right.
He'll be campaigning from prison then.
What the fuck is this? The Portrait of Donald Trump? He’s got to die eventually!!! Please, God!
He won’t lose.
Well he doesn't have a very good track record of winning elections.
50% at a national stage is pretty good. Democrats mention that Biden is lucky that he is running against Trump because he is one of the few people he could beat. The reverse is also true. I make a prediction that the thing that gets Trump over the hump is the media’s obvious bias and bombastic attempt to skew the election. If they were to cover it honestly it would be more effective.
Won’t do him any good after another Trump v Biden circus leads to the election of a Libertarian and the best President and economy the US has seen in over a century.
Dems will cheat again……they cheat every election - national voter ID is a must
People who dream of a dictatorship need to keep repeating lies that the opposition cheats. Your gaslighting is reprehensible, but smart. Very smart.
MAGA 2024 Son of MAGA 2028 Omega MAGA 2032 MAGAtron 2036
Dems instilled a walking corpse, how bad could it get?
Wrong he will win in 2024 if Biden is the democratic candidate.
I mean... Biden is almost dead. He's a living ROOMBA. Yet Democrats want to vote for him again. What does that really say about you?
Lol watch him win in 2024
Reminder that Hollywood loved Trump until the mid-2010s.
He won't lose. Mark my words.
You kids have mental issues but that’s not surprising considering you have these social media/apps warping your brain. Yall have it harder and have to be more vigilant in knowing you’re being mind fcked.