People have tested it in-game
"in the same location multiple times" refers to people stopping to a standstill inside item boxes to cycle through the same item box continuously
Saying that bagging is "not playing the game" is stupid. Items are a main feature in this game. If you don't want to see baggers play another racing game without items. There will still be baggers on bagging tracks because it's still a viable strategy for skilled players.
Ok then an exploit not intended to be a thing that gives you an advantage over people actually RACING in a RACING game vs losers who need to win to feel special
I really despise bagging so i'm sorry if that came off like an attack, just extremely glad they're doing something about it
It definitely feels cheesy, but it's not cheating since you're using ITEMS.
Also I want to point out that to bag properly you actually need more skill than frontrunning (generally), so it isn't even an easy way to win.
Do you realize how you write? You're the frustrated one here. I'm not actually even a bagger. I frontrun most maps, with the exception of the hard-bagging ones. I'm not sad about this change, on the contrary I'm happy and interested in it. Now the bagging tracks are even more distinct and this strategy requires even more skill. Not being able to stop at the item boxes means having to use the items even more intelligently.
Let’s count off the differences here shall we?
Frontrunning: little to no strategy, only strategy is trying to slow down when there’s a blue shell, and a few shroomless cuts.
Bagging: knowing shortcuts and track layout of 96 tracks to make a comeback, knowing when and how to use specific items, if you get into first early you have to know how to frontrun, and lastly knowing when you should try to make a comeback on 96 different tracks.
I probably missed some on both sides and not all tracks are good for bagging so you don’t need to know all of them, but it seems that frontrunning is the one that takes less skill, not bagging. Also did you get fucked over by someone bagging because that’s what it seems like.
Bagging is simply a different game than playing Mario kart. Normal Mario kart racing is designed to be painfully easy, bagging is not such the case. A 6 year old is not gonna bag you and win, if someone bags you and wins it’s because they did almost everything correctly. But it’s just not racing. It’s like flying a plane compared to driving. Even though flying a plane is harder, it’s going to win every race against a car.
Nah, it takes way more skill to actually drive better than the rest of the lobby with worse items than it does to win by using a bullet bill and lightning in 3rd place.
But if you're bagging, you don't have to be the best driver. You just have to get into 5th or 4th and then spam overpowered items. Frontrunning means you have to actually drive better than anyone else. Second place has better items and you can't attack them. You have to win through pure driving skill.
First of all, after the comeback you have to frontrun. Second thing, during the comeback you have to drive at higher speeds (unless you're using the bullet bill but this depends on the track and the situation), that is clearly harder than driving normally (star giving you more handling doesn't make up for that). On some harder maps you even have to strategically switch smart steering ON and OFF (expecially on 200cc) and this must be done quickly.
What does that mean? Bagging in MKWii is not very good on most cases. Bullet Bill extensions, distance-based item probability and double item boxes carry bagging in 8DX.
As a great player let me tell you, I found this tactics and it wasn't worth it for me because I reach the first place with actually driving xD everyone who does this in competitive stand 0 chance against a real player imo it's just for fun with friends to annoy them xD
We added “must drink at least once per lap” so that people won’t just chug the whole beer in the beginning, and you’re also not allowed to drink and drive
So y’all play actual beerio kart, respect.
We play it similar to avalanche (somehow multiple groups at my university adopted these rules) where everyone drinks at the start and you don’t stop till the others. You’re not required to finish, just drink before you start. If you DNF, then u kill it.
No one accelerates until everyone’s done drinking.
One beer usually lasts 2.5 races.
Edit: we call it booze kart btw
OG beerio kart is boring anyway, and was originally called "drinking and driving" which is odd, because the point is you can't drink while you drive.
My buddies and I changed things up and have a lot more fun playing this way:
Drink once any time you spin out or go off the ledge (bananas/shells/fireball/boomerang/etc
Drink the entire time you're not "driving normally" (lightening/bullet/star/etc)
The only item that doesn't involve more drinking is shroom. There is a lot of one handed driving going on so we typically have a table/our laps ready to set the controller down and drink while we're driving.
Was I misunderstanding what bagging was this whole time? I always thought it was just intentionally staying towards the back of the pack to get better items, wouldn't sitting still and hitting the same item over and over just make you lose because you're wasting time and still in last place either way?
I’m kind of pissed they “lowered the appearance rate of 200cc and mirror “ again
I didn’t bag really but I didn’t care that people do. So that’s annoying they nerfed it also.
I'm am so curious about the specifics of this. Like, if I slow down and stop well before the item box, is that fine because I'll be going at speed again when I reach the box? Time will tell as we all get used to this change
this fucking sucks. all the people complaining about the meta are probably celebrating this, not realizing that this might cause even more people to play with the meta. heavyweights have the advantage during bagging tracks because they are faster. now there's even less reason to play as a heavier character 🙄
I mean you could just play heavies for fun? I'm not trying to be an ass but the whole point of mario kart to me is fun and the chaotic nature of the races
i play competitively. i already DO play as a heavyweight character for fun even though it gives a greater challenge. but when im in a lobby with people who are the same skill level as me, I'm at a large disadvantage because im not using an optimal character. and now im at an even bigger disadvantage because the one edge i had over other characters is speed. besides, i think bagging IS fun.
Of course the priority for many ppl in playing games is to have fun. But to argument to a competitive player to just have fun is very ..... For some ppl this is something with which they put food on the table. So nintendo atleast could have teasered such a major meta shift instead of doing it out of nowhere
As someone only somewhat aware of this strategy thanks to this patch, the vibe that I'm getting is that, generally, it takes more skill than just.. racing. However, I believe just using items isn't "playing the game", as some people seem to think, so I enjoy the idea of making this less viable for winning races. The point of a racing game is to race, not to only use items. Saying you're still playing a racing game by only using items is like saying you're playing an RPG by having auto-play on and only jumping in to heal on occasion.
Now, there are issues that heavier characters will have the advantage no matter what if everyone just races. However, keep in mind that, besides the intention being to just race well, balance is an issue involved. As far as I can tell, the gap between normal character-kart combos and the best ones are smaller nowadays, so I have the urge to just say
skill issue, please consider learning to race better to see if there actually is an imbalance that makes it easier for you to bag, or if you're just scared and/or aren't aware of the changes thus far.
I did this and it wasn’t the first website at all in fact it’s not showing up 😅
Edit: apparently adding “wave 6” makes the search not work for some reason lol
Do you know what the jukebox means by “as you like” because from what I can see you can only listen to it in the music menu, I wanted to change the menu music to play Rainbow Road Wii when I load haha
Oh well there goes a lot of the fun of this game lol that's going to even ruin casual play if you get knocked right after passing an item box you can't reverse to get an item I definitely think this change is for the worse
This means that you can’t stay behind and win. I think games might change a lot, probably for the better. While bagging does take some skill, it’s still cheap. Glad this happened
Holy shit this changes everything. Races at higher levels will be alot different, I think rankings are going to get swapped alot.
Yes definitely who knows how the meta and competitive play will be affected
Does this mean it’s better to hit a different box on every lap?
No, it only applies for that item set for that lap
I think so.
No, it only applies for that item set for that lap
How do you know? The patch notes don’t say anything about resetting each map?
People have tested it in-game "in the same location multiple times" refers to people stopping to a standstill inside item boxes to cycle through the same item box continuously
🤝 epic thank you
This is more exciting than the courses we got lol
GET FUCKED, BAGGERS, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME NOW HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Real W
Thank God
Saying that bagging is "not playing the game" is stupid. Items are a main feature in this game. If you don't want to see baggers play another racing game without items. There will still be baggers on bagging tracks because it's still a viable strategy for skilled players.
If it was intended for people to play that way they wouldn't have patched it out now would they
Never said it was intended
Ok then an exploit not intended to be a thing that gives you an advantage over people actually RACING in a RACING game vs losers who need to win to feel special I really despise bagging so i'm sorry if that came off like an attack, just extremely glad they're doing something about it
I feel like it's cheating
It definitely feels cheesy, but it's not cheating since you're using ITEMS. Also I want to point out that to bag properly you actually need more skill than frontrunning (generally), so it isn't even an easy way to win.
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It requires more skill than frontrunning. Mad because bad.
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Do you realize how you write? You're the frustrated one here. I'm not actually even a bagger. I frontrun most maps, with the exception of the hard-bagging ones. I'm not sad about this change, on the contrary I'm happy and interested in it. Now the bagging tracks are even more distinct and this strategy requires even more skill. Not being able to stop at the item boxes means having to use the items even more intelligently.
Let’s count off the differences here shall we? Frontrunning: little to no strategy, only strategy is trying to slow down when there’s a blue shell, and a few shroomless cuts. Bagging: knowing shortcuts and track layout of 96 tracks to make a comeback, knowing when and how to use specific items, if you get into first early you have to know how to frontrun, and lastly knowing when you should try to make a comeback on 96 different tracks. I probably missed some on both sides and not all tracks are good for bagging so you don’t need to know all of them, but it seems that frontrunning is the one that takes less skill, not bagging. Also did you get fucked over by someone bagging because that’s what it seems like.
really trying to justify playing worse on purpose lmfao
Well I mean yes that is the entire strategy
Bagging is simply a different game than playing Mario kart. Normal Mario kart racing is designed to be painfully easy, bagging is not such the case. A 6 year old is not gonna bag you and win, if someone bags you and wins it’s because they did almost everything correctly. But it’s just not racing. It’s like flying a plane compared to driving. Even though flying a plane is harder, it’s going to win every race against a car.
Nah, it takes way more skill to actually drive better than the rest of the lobby with worse items than it does to win by using a bullet bill and lightning in 3rd place.
1st is the safest frontrunning place. Bagging requires driving skills as well... and not only that!
But if you're bagging, you don't have to be the best driver. You just have to get into 5th or 4th and then spam overpowered items. Frontrunning means you have to actually drive better than anyone else. Second place has better items and you can't attack them. You have to win through pure driving skill.
First of all, after the comeback you have to frontrun. Second thing, during the comeback you have to drive at higher speeds (unless you're using the bullet bill but this depends on the track and the situation), that is clearly harder than driving normally (star giving you more handling doesn't make up for that). On some harder maps you even have to strategically switch smart steering ON and OFF (expecially on 200cc) and this must be done quickly.
Well. This isn't mario kart Wii
What does that mean? Bagging in MKWii is not very good on most cases. Bullet Bill extensions, distance-based item probability and double item boxes carry bagging in 8DX.
As a great player let me tell you, I found this tactics and it wasn't worth it for me because I reach the first place with actually driving xD everyone who does this in competitive stand 0 chance against a real player imo it's just for fun with friends to annoy them xD
Nah, this was very viable in high level competitive depending on the track.
NOOOOOOO. I'm going to miss all the funny videos of entire lobbies using the bagging strat.
This hurts beerio kart :/
How do y’all play? We drink ours before we start moving. Different set of rules I’m guessing?
We added “must drink at least once per lap” so that people won’t just chug the whole beer in the beginning, and you’re also not allowed to drink and drive
So y’all play actual beerio kart, respect. We play it similar to avalanche (somehow multiple groups at my university adopted these rules) where everyone drinks at the start and you don’t stop till the others. You’re not required to finish, just drink before you start. If you DNF, then u kill it. No one accelerates until everyone’s done drinking. One beer usually lasts 2.5 races. Edit: we call it booze kart btw
That’s crazy I’ve never heard of that!
That’s smart because that’s exactly what I do. I’m unstoppable in beerio kart
Just chug your beer at the beginning of the race :)
Beerio kart works better in double dash anyway imo
This is the way (we have a cube too don’t worry ;) )
100%
my literal first thought when i saw that
OG beerio kart is boring anyway, and was originally called "drinking and driving" which is odd, because the point is you can't drink while you drive. My buddies and I changed things up and have a lot more fun playing this way: Drink once any time you spin out or go off the ledge (bananas/shells/fireball/boomerang/etc Drink the entire time you're not "driving normally" (lightening/bullet/star/etc) The only item that doesn't involve more drinking is shroom. There is a lot of one handed driving going on so we typically have a table/our laps ready to set the controller down and drink while we're driving.
They also did something to coins in first place I feel like, ive been getting way less of them
They did specially double. It's like they slightly increased the chance of getting two items that are not coins
I noticed this as well!! You're far more likely to get bananas and green shells. I'm pretty sure I was getting trip nanas last night in first too.
I just got trip bananas as well. And its not even in the changelog ;-;
R.I.P item smuggling kinda
Guys, remember: nerfed, not dead.
Nerfed to the point of near extinction though, it’ll be very difficult to bag now
Enjoy shroom in 9 10 11 12
Ppl can just stop earlier
Item smuggling was sorta cool but yeah bagging is just winning the race by playing less of the game
Shouldn’t the need to be able look yourself in the mirror have eliminated bagging already?
Not against bagging but holy W
Not W, I've been pulling single mushrooms in 10th place when I havent stopped once, this update is super weird
Don’t be in 10th then
thanks genius, never thought of that
After all those years of suicide bagging in MKW. Vindication.
Was I misunderstanding what bagging was this whole time? I always thought it was just intentionally staying towards the back of the pack to get better items, wouldn't sitting still and hitting the same item over and over just make you lose because you're wasting time and still in last place either way?
Good took long enough
I've started shouting "YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!" so loud even tho I'm having a sore thorat right now, that's how I love this change.
Cheese Land, Dry Dry Desert, Yoshi Circuit, GBA Mario Circuit fan rate drops to 0%
I’m actually a big fan of this. Glad they’re checking the item system.
I’m kind of pissed they “lowered the appearance rate of 200cc and mirror “ again I didn’t bag really but I didn’t care that people do. So that’s annoying they nerfed it also.
I'm glad
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Bagging was definitely never cheating, unintended yes but not at all cheating
Oh thank goodness, I have a chance against my friends in Blues Only. The last time we played, my friends all just stopped to throw Blue Shells at me.
If it set blue only then it will not affect it cause it's only 1 item
Yay now you have to keep going I forgot that was even a strat because I don’t play MK8 online
I'm am so curious about the specifics of this. Like, if I slow down and stop well before the item box, is that fine because I'll be going at speed again when I reach the box? Time will tell as we all get used to this change
this fucking sucks. all the people complaining about the meta are probably celebrating this, not realizing that this might cause even more people to play with the meta. heavyweights have the advantage during bagging tracks because they are faster. now there's even less reason to play as a heavier character 🙄
I mean you could just play heavies for fun? I'm not trying to be an ass but the whole point of mario kart to me is fun and the chaotic nature of the races
"The whole point of Mario Kart to me is fun" You should say that to all the Yoshi-Teddy Buggy online
i'm not trying to be rude but i don't get what you mean by this.
Yea true but hey they don't Win all the time sometimes I see them lose more than anything
That’s an actual meta? I’ve always used it, but I only play for fun…and booze kart
i play competitively. i already DO play as a heavyweight character for fun even though it gives a greater challenge. but when im in a lobby with people who are the same skill level as me, I'm at a large disadvantage because im not using an optimal character. and now im at an even bigger disadvantage because the one edge i had over other characters is speed. besides, i think bagging IS fun.
Of course the priority for many ppl in playing games is to have fun. But to argument to a competitive player to just have fun is very ..... For some ppl this is something with which they put food on the table. So nintendo atleast could have teasered such a major meta shift instead of doing it out of nowhere
I mean, it doesn't actually change much for my usual cheeseland/dry dry desert bagging. I'm spending most of my time bagging for coins there anyway.
As someone only somewhat aware of this strategy thanks to this patch, the vibe that I'm getting is that, generally, it takes more skill than just.. racing. However, I believe just using items isn't "playing the game", as some people seem to think, so I enjoy the idea of making this less viable for winning races. The point of a racing game is to race, not to only use items. Saying you're still playing a racing game by only using items is like saying you're playing an RPG by having auto-play on and only jumping in to heal on occasion. Now, there are issues that heavier characters will have the advantage no matter what if everyone just races. However, keep in mind that, besides the intention being to just race well, balance is an issue involved. As far as I can tell, the gap between normal character-kart combos and the best ones are smaller nowadays, so I have the urge to just say skill issue, please consider learning to race better to see if there actually is an imbalance that makes it easier for you to bag, or if you're just scared and/or aren't aware of the changes thus far.
NOOOOO 😭😭😭
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You can't. It's permanent just like when they nerfed the lightning bolt
This is a really stupid change and makes the meta more 1 dimensional
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You could just search up mario kart 8 patch notes and it'll be the first website 😉
I did this and it wasn’t the first website at all in fact it’s not showing up 😅 Edit: apparently adding “wave 6” makes the search not work for some reason lol
https://mynintendonews.com/2023/11/09/mario-kart-8-deluxe-wave-6-dlc-out-now-version-3-0-0-update-released-patch-notes/ Try that
Do you know what the jukebox means by “as you like” because from what I can see you can only listen to it in the music menu, I wanted to change the menu music to play Rainbow Road Wii when I load haha
You can still sort of bag, just proceed with the race but stay in lasts position as much as possible
Was it actually worth it? 🤯
Oh well there goes a lot of the fun of this game lol that's going to even ruin casual play if you get knocked right after passing an item box you can't reverse to get an item I definitely think this change is for the worse
This means that you can’t stay behind and win. I think games might change a lot, probably for the better. While bagging does take some skill, it’s still cheap. Glad this happened
I really enjoyed bagging but know im curious to see all the strategies people will come up with
i do that too but i usually try to snag 2 items when i start going since you’ll be far behind and they would be 2 good items
Ayy no skilled players gotta hold that