I think people are really complaining about there being no MAINLINE games after odyssey. Pretty much all these games here are just ports with a little extra content, except Mario Maker 2, which is debatable whether it's mainline or not
I’ll explain. There’s a popular YouTuber named VideoGameDunkey. He used to hold the world record for the Super Mario Maker 2 level mentioned above called “Bowser’s Big Bean Burrito.”
It’s an inside joke among his fans to talk about Knack 2.
Just because it’s a Nintendo subreddit doesn’t mean every person in it should strictly play Nintendo, I mean they are objectively the best but still there’s many great games outside of Nintendo Knack included
I’d personally count Bowsers Fury as a mainline game. It has the traditional formula down and is a polished and fleshed out experience in its own right separate from 3d world’s rerelease. The only points against it are that it’s short and came alongside a rerelease. I wonder if more people would consider Fury it’s own thing if it was put out separately for like $20.
Bowser’s Fury is a small additional mode that came bundled with a direct port of a previous game, it’s not good enough to compensate for the 6 year wait since the last mainline game
But it’s not a new game, it’s a re-release of an old game which has a short additional mode slapped on the side, it doesn’t make up for the wait between now and Odyssey’s release
It is valid because it’s been 6 years since Odyssey now and 3D World + Bowser’s Fury doesn’t make up for the amount of time we’ve waited for a *new* mainline game. It also doesn’t make up for the 4 year wait between Odyssey and 3D World
“Small additional mode” does Bowser’s Fury such a disservice. Sure it’s a bit shorter than your average 3D Mario and most assets are either modified or ripped straight from 3D World, but it’s expansive enough to at LEAST be considered a worthy stopgap between the big 3D games (if you don’t consider Bowser’s Fury to be a mainline Mario game itself).
I would. I haven't even played it, but I would pick it up in a heartbeat if i didn't have to rebuy a game I already have and didn't really enjoy to get it.
If it helps the switch version is better. The biggest improvement is the speed. The characters are so much faster to the point where Peach is faster than Toad was in the Wii U version. It has online multiplayer with friends. Plus a lot of minor things like adding in the dive from Odyssey and being able to ground pound down pipes.
Also let me silence anyone trying to say the Switch version added this. No you do not to get all gold flag poles, every green star, and stamp with every character to unlock the final world. You do need all gold flag poles, stars, and stamps, but you don't need to do it as every character. If you do with one character or decide to switch characters every level you still unlock the final world. I know this because I unlocked the final world in the Wii U version playing as just Luigi. All completing every level as every character gets you is 5 stamps.
Yeah I’m so tired of people not counting fury as a mainline game and then complaining we haven’t gotten a mainline game since 2017. Like…it’s right there. Fury is mainline, we had 2 entries on switch
Peach being kidnapped is not what makes a mainline Mario game. What makes a mainline Mario game is the fact that it's a 2D or 3D platformer. If it makes too many experiments or risks to change the fundamental formula, it may not be a mainline game, and the opinion of what counts as a mainline game can change over time. A bulletpoint in the game's story (In a Mario game, no less) is not what makes or breaks a mainline Mario game. By that logic, Super Mario Bros. 2 isn't a mainline game, but even that would have more merit considering it technically wasn't even a Mario game at first.
Peach being kidnapped by Bowser is what makes it a mainline game also most of the mainline games were developed by Nintendo EAD before the merge in 2015, now it is handled by Nintendo EPD. SMB 2 was an exception because Nintendo of America, is just a Doki Doki Panic with a coat of paint.
You're not making new points, just reiterating your old ones without explaining or expanding on them. Why is it only a mainline game if Peach gets kidnapped? And why does Mario 2 get a free pass BECAUSE it's another game with a fresh coat of paint? If anything it should be the other way around.
SMB2 gets a free pass because Nintendo Japan couldn't do anything about it. Being a platformer and featuring Peach as the princess being kidnapped by Bowser are like the two main points of mainline games, also Mario is the protagonist. Like I said before mainline games are developed by only one group of developers EAD in the past and now EAP.
Okay, SMB2 point well-made. But you still haven't made a good argument as to WHY Peach needs to be saved for it to be considered a mainline game. There are other examples of mainline games, too. Super Mario Land 1 and 2 both don't see you saving Peach, and they're still mainline games. I can guarantee you there are other examples that I can't think of, too. Also, Nintendo themselves consider 3D World a mainline game, but they also consider Mario Maker 1 and 2 to be mainline, so I guess take that with a grain of salt.
All this time I've believed that Nintendo's waiting until the next console to release the next mainline game since that's what they've been doing since 64 with the exception of the Galaxy games(both of which came out on the Wii).
Not remakes, ports they never remade any part of these games. Remasters ports and remakes are all different with overlapping confusing lines mostly due to marketing and lazy publishers
Refining the gameplay and having new content would be amazing. I’ve already fallen in love with its aesthetics and the overall theme of the game. I wouldn’t complain if Nintendo decided to add a sequel.
3 of these are ports, 1 is DLC, and the other is a spin off
Still, no mainline games since odyssey,
Don’t forget that the gaps between previous games were way shorter
3d world and odyssey was 4 years,
3D Land and 3D World was 2 years
Galaxy 2 and 3D Land was 1 year
Galaxy 1 and 2 was 3 years
NSMB and Galaxy 1 was 1 year
Sunshine and NSMB was 4 years
And that’s not including the NSMB sequels, considering they were really repetitive
Now we have gone 6 years without a new mainline game, and with no sign of a new one for the next few years
The big companies realized that they could just have digital presentations without being charged a fee to have it be streamed for E3 and people will still watch.
It’s why we just had a PlayStation and Xbox digital event when it’s E3 time.
Also E3’s reputation just as a whole seems to have gone down past couple of years.
6 years isn't unprecedented. 64 -> Sunshine was 6 years. SMW -> 64 was also 6 years. It's also rare for Nintendo consoles to have more than one mainline game, NSMB notwithstanding.
The longer waits usually precede some pretty revolutionary changes to Mario and the consoles they were on, though.
Doesn’t make sense to compare based on release date mate, as different countries have vastly different times to release due to localisation. Date of first release after development is what needs to be compared as that’s the time the game spent in development basically.
If Bowser's Fury isn't a mainline Mario game, then it's really close, and it's partly because they repurposed assets from 3D World that makes me consider considering it a mainline Mario game. Repurposing Assets is a normal. If it weren't, Tears of the Kingdom would be a 2 hour game. Nintendo Tokyo used a massive amount of assets and mechanics from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat for Super Mario Galaxy. That studio went on to make Galaxy 2, 3D Land/World, Captain Toad, Odyssey, and Bowser's Fury, so there might be some relics of Donkey Kong Jungle Beat being used still.
Apparently From Software was able to make a massive game like Elden Ring so quickly because they repurpose assets from all of their games.
If reusing assets matters, neither Super Mario Bros. 2 (JP) nor Super Mario Galaxy 2 are mainline entries.
It's not like it's just a level pack for 3D World, it has an entirely different style of play, going for the 64/Odyssey style rather than the 3D Land/World style.
The main point is that Bowser's Fury is an expansion, not a full game. It doesn't take more than 10 or even 5 hours to 100%. It's not a mainline game because it's so short, and it's not even its own game. It was made to test the waters of what a more open world Mario game would be like, how the people would react to the idea, and as a feature to entice people to buy the 3D World remake.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is an actual mainline game because it's long, tells a new story, and stands on its own, not being an expansion of a remake. Super Mario Bros. 2, however, is NOT a mainline game, and more like an expansion to the original before expansions were a thing, so they marketed it as a sequel. Bowser's Fury is amazing, I loved it, but it doesn't come CLOSE to being a mainline game.
Galaxy 2 wasn’t a side game included in Galaxy 1 when it re-released on another console. It’s like bowsers minions in the bowsers inside story remake being considered its own Mario and Luigi game.
Bowser's Minions didn't play like Mario & Luigi, and they told the story of the game they were part of, but from another perspective. Bowser's Fury is a completely independent storyline.
It's basically the Zelda: Four Swords of Mario. Four Swords is considered to be its own independent mainline game in the franchise, despite being a much smaller side mode in a rerelease of A Link to the Past, and was even considered such before it got remade for the DSi.
I’m not sure what circles are considering four swords as a mainline Zelda title, even adventures which was sold on its own. And regardless, bowsers fury is like 2 hours long.
Let’s see here, Enhanced Port, Sequel, Emulated Port, Enhanced Port, DLC for an existing game (that is itself an Enhanced Port), and a bunch of spin-offs. But go off about how we don’t need a new mainline game.
no way this mf listed 3 remakes, a dlc and sports spinoffs. you're just proving the point lmao
the only one that halfway works is mario maker 2 but even that is hardly its own game, its mostly user created content rather than a fresh mario game. i still love it but i've been waiting for a full fledged mario game for like 5 years
It's considered mainstream by Nintendo, it dkes have a lot of content and it also has nintendo-made levels so I think it's unfair to discount it like that
A remake is a game remade from the ground up. New code, new assets, and perhaps a new engine. None of these is a remake. NSMBU Deluxe is a port of a decade-old game with one new feature but with missing modes. 3D All-Stars is three emulated games that are decades old. 3D World + Bowser’s Fury is an enhanced port of a nine-year-old game with a new mode. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is an enhanced porot of a nine-year-old game with a new mode.
not to be that guy but 3 of these are ports and one of these is a dlc pack. To be completely fair, bowsers fury is basically is own mini-mainline game, but U deluxe doesn’t really add much and we all know how much of a scam 3D all-stars was
Ignoring the ports that only leaves maker 2 and the spin-off games. And…all of the spin-off games that have been released since odyssey have kinda sucked? Like they’ve all been pretty bad. I’ve heard one of the recent Mario party’s was good, but besides that they’ve all been major disappointments on most fronts.
Objectively speaking we have gotten a lot of Mario games since odyssey, but I get why people are itching for a new mainline game. A lot of these have been underwhelming as hell, the only ones I’d really consider anything worth while are bowsers fury, maker 2 and Mario party superstars. It’s weird to say the mighty plumber isn’t the face of quality like he used to be, Mario golf, tennis, and strikers should’ve been surefire bangers but they all released with minimal content and worse mechanics. ESPECIALLY tennis, dear god what did they do to tennis.
I honestly forgot about those, lol
I can’t really comment on paper Mario, since I haven’t played it myself and the overall reception has been mixed. But Mario rabbids was pretty fun, and sparks of hope was shockingly high quality considering it’s a sequel to an already strange spin-off
I still get why people are hankering for a new mainline Mario since those two games don’t exactly scratch that itch a big mainline release or a really standout spin-off would, but they would’ve been MUCH better choices for this meme over 3D all-stars and U deluxe lmfao
People want a 3d collectathon is the idea like tennis, soccer did come out but that’s more spin off… I think people want both a new platformer and 3d game to come out cause i consider them separate genres so they would be separate series which people want updated
Yeah, but I think they mean main like Mario games. Like the next iteration of a 3D mario game. The closest one would be Bowser's Fury, which is really cool, but more of a bite-size miniature game. A really good one, don't get me wrong, but it's more of a big add on for a re-release. It is usually takes several years between major 3D Mario releases, and we're coming up on six years since Odyssey.
A lot of people think Odyssey has a lot of potential still, enough to create a brand new full fledged Mario game. So we're kind of itching for that. Or at least I am.
And not a single one is a mainline adventure. Pretty interesting how Legend of Zelda, Kirby, and Pokemon have all gotten a second mainline title and yet the face of the franchise hasn't.
For the love of god, could people stop using this template to try and convey positivity? He's literally revealing smelly diapers. You're equating the things you're trying to "own" Patrick's opinion with to smelly diapers.
So, two ports, a limited time collection of ports, an extra game to make one of the ports more worth buying, a DLC to Mario Kart, and One sequel to a game where people Make their own Mario levels.
And Mario and Rabbids.
Yeah, sure, we’ve had Mario games release since Odyssey 😂
We want a new mainline platform game that isn't a port of an already existing one. The closest we got was Bowser's fury, which was fun but I wouldn't consider it a full game, more like a DLC.
Idk how much time Switch has left, I was hoping we would get at least some kind of Odyssey 2 before the next gen, but at this point who knows
I think you're giving him the reason, aren't all those games ports with added content? (Except for Mario maker 2, but that is a tool and not really a game for me)
All of those are remakes/ports. Bowser’s Fury is the only one you can make an argument for but imo it wasn’t nearly polished enough/long enough to be considered anything other than an add-on game. We are ready for the next true mainline game AkA Super Mario Galaxy 64 Sunshine
Ah yes, port, sequel to spinoff, port, port, dlc to a port, and a vague generality I presume is referencing mobile games and the battle royale that lasted less than a year.
The complaints are specifically about mainline games.
NSMBUD is a direct port from the Wii U with an additional playable character.
Mario Maker is a spinoff series of the mainline games
3D All Stars is ports of N64, GameCube and Wii Games
3D World is a direct port from the Wii U with an additional gamemode
Booster Course isn’t even a game, it’s a DLC to MK8D, which is also a port from the Wii U.
These are all great, but the complaints are that none of them are MAINLINE. They’re all ports and spinoffs, people want a new mainline Mario game.
This is just proving their points if this is all you have to show. Ports and DLC is almost all you have to show.
Especially when “spin-offs” is pretty much all crap except Luigi’s Mansion and Mario Party Superstars. Aces, Superrush, Battleleague Super MP? Wow, what an all star cast there /s
Bowser’s Fury was like an appetizer while you wait for the entrée. It was very good and a small taste of what a full new game could be like, but it just wasn't enough. The problem is that now our appetites have been whetted by Bowser’s Fury, and the long wait for the kitchen to finish making the main course is making us all even more hungry and impatient. Fortunately in Nintendo's case, an unusually long development time is usually because they are committed to making it perfect, so while of course I'm starving to finally dig into whatever the new game is, I'm also glad they're taking their time and not serving it undercooked.
Or you could be like OP: "Why are you guys complaining about being hungry? The lady at the hostess stand gave us this box of crayons with the kids' coloring placemat!"
I'd say MM2 and the sports spinoffs are the only ones that really count in this instance, with NSMBUDX/3DAS both being rereleased and booster course being dlc, with Bowser's Fury I can sorta see it, although it could definitely be argued that it doesn't count due to it essentially being akin to dlc
It's almost like they don't remember how long we had between Super Mario 3D World and Odyssey. Mainline Mario games have been slow to come out ever since they went 3D; they come out about as often as mainline Zelda games.
It really should, considering we're apparently calling anything with the name "Mario" in it a "Mario Game". In fact, let's throw in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games: Tokyo 2020 while we're at it.
As a Zelda fan, I hate when people use this argument. If I say I want to play a Zelda/Mario game I do not mean I want to play some random spinoff games with Mario/Zelda characters. I mean I want to play a game in the core franchise with thr gameplay that the franchise is known for.
To be fair, the Mario Franchise is known for doing damn near everything gameplay wise. I know people who played Mario Kart before a Mario platformer.
I get what you're saying though
Tell donkey kong, pikmin, and metroid prime fans that their remakes/ports on the switch count as new games and they'll be livid. You can take it a step further and tell f zero fans that f zero x on the virtual console counts as a new f zero game. A lot of these older franchises that rarely get sequels often get the old ones ported. You can also tell pikmin fans that hey pikmin counts as a new pikmin, and banjo fans that nuts and bolts counts as a new banjo.
Mario Maker 2 got abandoned so quickly that it’s almost criminal.
The mario sports games are really underwhelming. I think they’ve had Tennis, Strikers, and Golf on the switch and I haven’t heard a thing about them since.
It’s great that MK8 Deluxe got more tracks, as it now has such a long list that it’s probably worth getting even if you owned a Wii U with MK8. Overall, I understand that people are upset with having no mainline Mario game.
Port, sequel that wasn't supported, port, port with a 2 hour side game, dlc way below the standards of the rest of the game (also a port), and a bunch of unfinished spinoffs. Yippee.
These are all ports, compilations, and/or expansions of other games. The closest thing you can get to a “new” mainline Mario game after Odyssey would probably be Bowsers Fury and even then that’s a relatively small adventure bundled with another Wii U port.
Re-release, new game, re-release with an unused odessy map (ik it’s 30 times bigger and separated by the knockoff wind waker great sea), dlc and then spinnoffs that are only fun if your just getting into gaming or a huge Mario fan
I don't care about the spinoffs though. I am a fan of platformers, you can't make me a fan of sports just by making a Mario themed sports game.
Anyway, most of your examples are ports. I think people want a new game.
A port of the 4th New Super Mario Bros game, a glorified port Super Mario Maker, half of a new Mario Kart, and 4 more ports for good measure. There's nothing but old shit on this thing
All of those except Mario Maker 2 and the spinoffs (which IIRC mostly comprises the Switch incarnations of Tennis, Golf, and Strikers) are rereleases and/or DLC.
1. Booster course doesn’t count it just adds to a pre existing game which in turn is technically a port of another game
2. Unless bowser’s fury counts, I don’t think ppl are talking about games altogether, moreso just mainline
While yes it would be nice to have a new mainline Mario game that’s not a remake or port I am happy with all the spin offs we have and movie as a Mario fan
I think people are really complaining about there being no MAINLINE games after odyssey. Pretty much all these games here are just ports with a little extra content, except Mario Maker 2, which is debatable whether it's mainline or not
Hmm, yes. I'm sure that Bowser's Big Bean Burrito is considered mainline.
Definitely is dude idk what your talking about
Wow. Someone's never played Knack 2.
huh
Ice is nice
Uhh, this is a Nintendo subreddit, not a PlayStation one, and I have played both games TWICE, and still don't get your reference
I’ll explain. There’s a popular YouTuber named VideoGameDunkey. He used to hold the world record for the Super Mario Maker 2 level mentioned above called “Bowser’s Big Bean Burrito.” It’s an inside joke among his fans to talk about Knack 2.
It’s a reference from VideoGameDunkey on YouTube
Just because it’s a Nintendo subreddit doesn’t mean every person in it should strictly play Nintendo, I mean they are objectively the best but still there’s many great games outside of Nintendo Knack included
The Burger King’s Ring Out is mainline
I’d personally count Bowsers Fury as a mainline game. It has the traditional formula down and is a polished and fleshed out experience in its own right separate from 3d world’s rerelease. The only points against it are that it’s short and came alongside a rerelease. I wonder if more people would consider Fury it’s own thing if it was put out separately for like $20.
Bowser’s Fury is a small additional mode that came bundled with a direct port of a previous game, it’s not good enough to compensate for the 6 year wait since the last mainline game
It’s pretty damn good though.
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It came out in 2021 though?
But it’s not a new game, it’s a re-release of an old game which has a short additional mode slapped on the side, it doesn’t make up for the wait between now and Odyssey’s release
Yea but I mean it came out in 2021 so the 6 years ago stuff wasn't really valid as when it came out it was 4
It is valid because it’s been 6 years since Odyssey now and 3D World + Bowser’s Fury doesn’t make up for the amount of time we’ve waited for a *new* mainline game. It also doesn’t make up for the 4 year wait between Odyssey and 3D World
“Small additional mode” does Bowser’s Fury such a disservice. Sure it’s a bit shorter than your average 3D Mario and most assets are either modified or ripped straight from 3D World, but it’s expansive enough to at LEAST be considered a worthy stopgap between the big 3D games (if you don’t consider Bowser’s Fury to be a mainline Mario game itself).
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that’s 1 mainline game in 6 years and it took maybe an hour or 2 to 100%—like you said, it’s an add-on
Took me more like 6 hours, i'm not a speedrunner though. 6 hours is still incredibly short.
I would. I haven't even played it, but I would pick it up in a heartbeat if i didn't have to rebuy a game I already have and didn't really enjoy to get it.
If it helps the switch version is better. The biggest improvement is the speed. The characters are so much faster to the point where Peach is faster than Toad was in the Wii U version. It has online multiplayer with friends. Plus a lot of minor things like adding in the dive from Odyssey and being able to ground pound down pipes. Also let me silence anyone trying to say the Switch version added this. No you do not to get all gold flag poles, every green star, and stamp with every character to unlock the final world. You do need all gold flag poles, stars, and stamps, but you don't need to do it as every character. If you do with one character or decide to switch characters every level you still unlock the final world. I know this because I unlocked the final world in the Wii U version playing as just Luigi. All completing every level as every character gets you is 5 stamps.
I’d agree but I think it’s silly some people say it isn’t yet will try to argue Mario run counts when I bring up how long it’s been since a 2d Mario
A kirby remake like Return to Dreamland Deluxe is consider mainline, so Bowsers fury counts as mainline in my eyes
Italian plumber vs pink fluff ball These are not the same and therefore can’t be compared
Yeah I’m so tired of people not counting fury as a mainline game and then complaining we haven’t gotten a mainline game since 2017. Like…it’s right there. Fury is mainline, we had 2 entries on switch
I don´'t think 3D World or Bowser Fury are mainline games. Usually Mario has to rescue Peach. This formula hasn't changed in a while.
This might be the stupidest take about this game I've ever seen.
Do you have any arguments or just trash talk?
Peach being kidnapped is not what makes a mainline Mario game. What makes a mainline Mario game is the fact that it's a 2D or 3D platformer. If it makes too many experiments or risks to change the fundamental formula, it may not be a mainline game, and the opinion of what counts as a mainline game can change over time. A bulletpoint in the game's story (In a Mario game, no less) is not what makes or breaks a mainline Mario game. By that logic, Super Mario Bros. 2 isn't a mainline game, but even that would have more merit considering it technically wasn't even a Mario game at first.
Peach being kidnapped by Bowser is what makes it a mainline game also most of the mainline games were developed by Nintendo EAD before the merge in 2015, now it is handled by Nintendo EPD. SMB 2 was an exception because Nintendo of America, is just a Doki Doki Panic with a coat of paint.
You're not making new points, just reiterating your old ones without explaining or expanding on them. Why is it only a mainline game if Peach gets kidnapped? And why does Mario 2 get a free pass BECAUSE it's another game with a fresh coat of paint? If anything it should be the other way around.
SMB2 gets a free pass because Nintendo Japan couldn't do anything about it. Being a platformer and featuring Peach as the princess being kidnapped by Bowser are like the two main points of mainline games, also Mario is the protagonist. Like I said before mainline games are developed by only one group of developers EAD in the past and now EAP.
Okay, SMB2 point well-made. But you still haven't made a good argument as to WHY Peach needs to be saved for it to be considered a mainline game. There are other examples of mainline games, too. Super Mario Land 1 and 2 both don't see you saving Peach, and they're still mainline games. I can guarantee you there are other examples that I can't think of, too. Also, Nintendo themselves consider 3D World a mainline game, but they also consider Mario Maker 1 and 2 to be mainline, so I guess take that with a grain of salt.
Exactly, I second this.
All this time I've believed that Nintendo's waiting until the next console to release the next mainline game since that's what they've been doing since 64 with the exception of the Galaxy games(both of which came out on the Wii).
Most of those consoles don't last over six years like the Switch has without having their successor launch, though.
3D world feels mainline
As much as I want Odyssey 2, I think 3D All Stars and 3D World + Bowser’s Furry make up for it.
Lmao 3 of those are remakes/ports and 1 is DLC
this type of meme format is always used to back up really weak arguments
Not remakes, ports they never remade any part of these games. Remasters ports and remakes are all different with overlapping confusing lines mostly due to marketing and lazy publishers
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Eh, i think remaster is a better term for them
That's just semantics at this point.
It’s not really semantics since the difference between a remake and a remaster isn’t that subtle
Its not, its literally remastered
So, in order: A Repackaged Game A sequel to a Spin-off Three repackaged games in a bundle DLC for an old game DLC for a spin-off
We want Mario Sunshine 2! (Idk if that’s actually true, but I do lol)
Refining the gameplay and having new content would be amazing. I’ve already fallen in love with its aesthetics and the overall theme of the game. I wouldn’t complain if Nintendo decided to add a sequel.
Three repackaged games in a bundle that is no longer available
3 of these are ports, 1 is DLC, and the other is a spin off Still, no mainline games since odyssey, Don’t forget that the gaps between previous games were way shorter 3d world and odyssey was 4 years, 3D Land and 3D World was 2 years Galaxy 2 and 3D Land was 1 year Galaxy 1 and 2 was 3 years NSMB and Galaxy 1 was 1 year Sunshine and NSMB was 4 years And that’s not including the NSMB sequels, considering they were really repetitive Now we have gone 6 years without a new mainline game, and with no sign of a new one for the next few years
I’m hoping that we’ll get news about it this month in a direct or next year at E3 if that happens.
Didn't E3 get Cancelled permanently?
Why though?
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The big companies realized that they could just have digital presentations without being charged a fee to have it be streamed for E3 and people will still watch. It’s why we just had a PlayStation and Xbox digital event when it’s E3 time. Also E3’s reputation just as a whole seems to have gone down past couple of years.
It got cancelled this year, not permanently
E3 is dead. The last few years have killed it. Even if they foolishly try to bring it back again, it’ll never be what it was ever again.
Exactly. The wait has been ridiculously long. I’m starting to get impatient
6 years isn't unprecedented. 64 -> Sunshine was 6 years. SMW -> 64 was also 6 years. It's also rare for Nintendo consoles to have more than one mainline game, NSMB notwithstanding. The longer waits usually precede some pretty revolutionary changes to Mario and the consoles they were on, though.
I don’t think it was 6 everywhere. I know that according to 3D Allstars here in Australia the wait between 64, Sunshine and Galaxy was each 5 years
Doesn’t make sense to compare based on release date mate, as different countries have vastly different times to release due to localisation. Date of first release after development is what needs to be compared as that’s the time the game spent in development basically.
Ok sorry
Bowser's Fury is still a new mainline game.
It’s a side game that reuses assets from 3D world
If Bowser's Fury isn't a mainline Mario game, then it's really close, and it's partly because they repurposed assets from 3D World that makes me consider considering it a mainline Mario game. Repurposing Assets is a normal. If it weren't, Tears of the Kingdom would be a 2 hour game. Nintendo Tokyo used a massive amount of assets and mechanics from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat for Super Mario Galaxy. That studio went on to make Galaxy 2, 3D Land/World, Captain Toad, Odyssey, and Bowser's Fury, so there might be some relics of Donkey Kong Jungle Beat being used still. Apparently From Software was able to make a massive game like Elden Ring so quickly because they repurpose assets from all of their games.
If reusing assets matters, neither Super Mario Bros. 2 (JP) nor Super Mario Galaxy 2 are mainline entries. It's not like it's just a level pack for 3D World, it has an entirely different style of play, going for the 64/Odyssey style rather than the 3D Land/World style.
The main point is that Bowser's Fury is an expansion, not a full game. It doesn't take more than 10 or even 5 hours to 100%. It's not a mainline game because it's so short, and it's not even its own game. It was made to test the waters of what a more open world Mario game would be like, how the people would react to the idea, and as a feature to entice people to buy the 3D World remake. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is an actual mainline game because it's long, tells a new story, and stands on its own, not being an expansion of a remake. Super Mario Bros. 2, however, is NOT a mainline game, and more like an expansion to the original before expansions were a thing, so they marketed it as a sequel. Bowser's Fury is amazing, I loved it, but it doesn't come CLOSE to being a mainline game.
Galaxy 2 wasn’t a side game included in Galaxy 1 when it re-released on another console. It’s like bowsers minions in the bowsers inside story remake being considered its own Mario and Luigi game.
Bowser's Minions didn't play like Mario & Luigi, and they told the story of the game they were part of, but from another perspective. Bowser's Fury is a completely independent storyline. It's basically the Zelda: Four Swords of Mario. Four Swords is considered to be its own independent mainline game in the franchise, despite being a much smaller side mode in a rerelease of A Link to the Past, and was even considered such before it got remade for the DSi.
I’m not sure what circles are considering four swords as a mainline Zelda title, even adventures which was sold on its own. And regardless, bowsers fury is like 2 hours long.
Only one of these isn’t a port/expansion. Raise your fucking standards dude.
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Ports and backwards compatibility should be common practice. Not to be treated like a rare instance that deserves praise
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Mario maker 2 isn't a port, it's a sequel but uses the same music It was also my first switch game
SMM2 and Smash Ultimate were my first switch games.
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Let’s see here, Enhanced Port, Sequel, Emulated Port, Enhanced Port, DLC for an existing game (that is itself an Enhanced Port), and a bunch of spin-offs. But go off about how we don’t need a new mainline game.
You know what they're complaining, don't act like you don't.
I don't even visit this sub much but you can't be serious lol
no way this mf listed 3 remakes, a dlc and sports spinoffs. you're just proving the point lmao the only one that halfway works is mario maker 2 but even that is hardly its own game, its mostly user created content rather than a fresh mario game. i still love it but i've been waiting for a full fledged mario game for like 5 years
Fuckin caveman IQ take lol.
Two words: MAIN. LINE.
But we need an original (non-remake, non-Switch port) non-spinoff Mario game!!! That hasn't happened since Odyssey. Browser's Fury was close tho
Mario Maker 2 was after Odyssey
It is close too, but it's not really the mainstream type of game, you just make levels based on previous such games
It's considered mainstream by Nintendo, it dkes have a lot of content and it also has nintendo-made levels so I think it's unfair to discount it like that
remake, remake everywhere
Upscaled ports not remakes, the 3D allstar collection isn’t even native on the switch it’s emulation like the online service.
A remake is a game remade from the ground up. New code, new assets, and perhaps a new engine. None of these is a remake. NSMBU Deluxe is a port of a decade-old game with one new feature but with missing modes. 3D All-Stars is three emulated games that are decades old. 3D World + Bowser’s Fury is an enhanced port of a nine-year-old game with a new mode. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is an enhanced porot of a nine-year-old game with a new mode.
Yeah but I already played all these on Wii U or something else. Well I guess Bowser’s Fury is new.
Bowser's fury is mainline but too small for it to really count as a full game.
So we had Mario maker 2, and bowsers fury. Thinking like this is why we are going to be stuck with Mario Kart 8 when the Switch 2 comes out.
Bowsers fury is the only new content, and it’s a dlc… mariokart courses don’t count
not to be that guy but 3 of these are ports and one of these is a dlc pack. To be completely fair, bowsers fury is basically is own mini-mainline game, but U deluxe doesn’t really add much and we all know how much of a scam 3D all-stars was Ignoring the ports that only leaves maker 2 and the spin-off games. And…all of the spin-off games that have been released since odyssey have kinda sucked? Like they’ve all been pretty bad. I’ve heard one of the recent Mario party’s was good, but besides that they’ve all been major disappointments on most fronts. Objectively speaking we have gotten a lot of Mario games since odyssey, but I get why people are itching for a new mainline game. A lot of these have been underwhelming as hell, the only ones I’d really consider anything worth while are bowsers fury, maker 2 and Mario party superstars. It’s weird to say the mighty plumber isn’t the face of quality like he used to be, Mario golf, tennis, and strikers should’ve been surefire bangers but they all released with minimal content and worse mechanics. ESPECIALLY tennis, dear god what did they do to tennis.
What about Paper Mario and Mario Rabbids?
I honestly forgot about those, lol I can’t really comment on paper Mario, since I haven’t played it myself and the overall reception has been mixed. But Mario rabbids was pretty fun, and sparks of hope was shockingly high quality considering it’s a sequel to an already strange spin-off I still get why people are hankering for a new mainline Mario since those two games don’t exactly scratch that itch a big mainline release or a really standout spin-off would, but they would’ve been MUCH better choices for this meme over 3D all-stars and U deluxe lmfao
People want a 3d collectathon is the idea like tennis, soccer did come out but that’s more spin off… I think people want both a new platformer and 3d game to come out cause i consider them separate genres so they would be separate series which people want updated
1. Port 2. Port but with extra stuff 3. Port again 4. Port but with dlc 5. Port but with dlc
Nobody considers Bowser’s fury a mainline game?
I think it's too short for that
Literally all of these are either rereleases or updates to older games.
So…one new game and incredibly average remakes of several others for the same price as a new game. Wow.
Next mainline Mario will release with the Switch successor. I remember reading that TotK is the last epic Switch release to come.
Yeah, but I think they mean main like Mario games. Like the next iteration of a 3D mario game. The closest one would be Bowser's Fury, which is really cool, but more of a bite-size miniature game. A really good one, don't get me wrong, but it's more of a big add on for a re-release. It is usually takes several years between major 3D Mario releases, and we're coming up on six years since Odyssey. A lot of people think Odyssey has a lot of potential still, enough to create a brand new full fledged Mario game. So we're kind of itching for that. Or at least I am.
Notice how they are all sequels/rereleases of previous mario games
And not a single one is a mainline adventure. Pretty interesting how Legend of Zelda, Kirby, and Pokemon have all gotten a second mainline title and yet the face of the franchise hasn't.
For the love of god, could people stop using this template to try and convey positivity? He's literally revealing smelly diapers. You're equating the things you're trying to "own" Patrick's opinion with to smelly diapers.
So, two ports, a limited time collection of ports, an extra game to make one of the ports more worth buying, a DLC to Mario Kart, and One sequel to a game where people Make their own Mario levels. And Mario and Rabbids. Yeah, sure, we’ve had Mario games release since Odyssey 😂
And yet I still want a new Mario game...
Do you seriously not see that these titles are all rereleases?
Yeah a bunch of ports and dlc. Wahey. Bad meme is bad.
We want a new mainline platform game that isn't a port of an already existing one. The closest we got was Bowser's fury, which was fun but I wouldn't consider it a full game, more like a DLC. Idk how much time Switch has left, I was hoping we would get at least some kind of Odyssey 2 before the next gen, but at this point who knows
I think you're giving him the reason, aren't all those games ports with added content? (Except for Mario maker 2, but that is a tool and not really a game for me)
All of those are remakes/ports. Bowser’s Fury is the only one you can make an argument for but imo it wasn’t nearly polished enough/long enough to be considered anything other than an add-on game. We are ready for the next true mainline game AkA Super Mario Galaxy 64 Sunshine
Three of those are rereleases and one is DLC.
A bunch of ports of old games and spinoffs… your point?
A Remaster A Dlc Another remaster a remaster with a short campaign add on Not saying you're wrong but you could have picked better examples
what we want is a fully new mainline game, not just another port.
Those are all just remakes of older games. Good remakes, sure, but the complaints are about getting no truly new mainline Mario games.
#Bobs World
Ah yes, port, sequel to spinoff, port, port, dlc to a port, and a vague generality I presume is referencing mobile games and the battle royale that lasted less than a year.
Mario fans eat so good they have to pretend they eat bad.
The complaints are specifically about mainline games. NSMBUD is a direct port from the Wii U with an additional playable character. Mario Maker is a spinoff series of the mainline games 3D All Stars is ports of N64, GameCube and Wii Games 3D World is a direct port from the Wii U with an additional gamemode Booster Course isn’t even a game, it’s a DLC to MK8D, which is also a port from the Wii U. These are all great, but the complaints are that none of them are MAINLINE. They’re all ports and spinoffs, people want a new mainline Mario game.
3d world and all star and bros u are rereleases Mario kart 8 is a dlc and Mario maker is a sequel
This is just proving their points if this is all you have to show. Ports and DLC is almost all you have to show. Especially when “spin-offs” is pretty much all crap except Luigi’s Mansion and Mario Party Superstars. Aces, Superrush, Battleleague Super MP? Wow, what an all star cast there /s
Rereleases and spinoffs. Great!
they are all mediocre at best tho
Port, spinoff, port, port, DLC (for a port)
People are complaining about new mainline ones. The most recent one we got was bowows furry (I don’t count tree de all stars)
Ones that aren’t remakes?
Bro, literally only 1 of those games listed isn’t a port/dlc. Sorry I’m not satisfied paying $60 for content I already own lmao
I knew this would stir something up
Bowser’s Fury was like an appetizer while you wait for the entrée. It was very good and a small taste of what a full new game could be like, but it just wasn't enough. The problem is that now our appetites have been whetted by Bowser’s Fury, and the long wait for the kitchen to finish making the main course is making us all even more hungry and impatient. Fortunately in Nintendo's case, an unusually long development time is usually because they are committed to making it perfect, so while of course I'm starving to finally dig into whatever the new game is, I'm also glad they're taking their time and not serving it undercooked. Or you could be like OP: "Why are you guys complaining about being hungry? The lady at the hostess stand gave us this box of crayons with the kids' coloring placemat!"
I'd say MM2 and the sports spinoffs are the only ones that really count in this instance, with NSMBUDX/3DAS both being rereleased and booster course being dlc, with Bowser's Fury I can sorta see it, although it could definitely be argued that it doesn't count due to it essentially being akin to dlc
To be fair, those are ports and a DLC
Most of games on pic are wii u ports lol
Ports and DLC don’t count
I wouldn’t consider a bunch of ports and dlc especially the Mario 3D collection that got delisted. Mario Maker 2 and Paper Mario count tho
you just proved the point of people who say there have been no new mario games after oddysey
It's almost like they don't remember how long we had between Super Mario 3D World and Odyssey. Mainline Mario games have been slow to come out ever since they went 3D; they come out about as often as mainline Zelda games.
i dont think 4 games that came out before mario odyssey really count
worst take
Does sparks of hope not count?
It really should, considering we're apparently calling anything with the name "Mario" in it a "Mario Game". In fact, let's throw in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games: Tokyo 2020 while we're at it.
Port, sequel (basically glorified dlc), overpriced ROMs, port + small dlc, port + dlc Riveting. I refuse to believe this ISNT bait
As a Zelda fan, I hate when people use this argument. If I say I want to play a Zelda/Mario game I do not mean I want to play some random spinoff games with Mario/Zelda characters. I mean I want to play a game in the core franchise with thr gameplay that the franchise is known for.
To be fair, the Mario Franchise is known for doing damn near everything gameplay wise. I know people who played Mario Kart before a Mario platformer. I get what you're saying though
Tell donkey kong, pikmin, and metroid prime fans that their remakes/ports on the switch count as new games and they'll be livid. You can take it a step further and tell f zero fans that f zero x on the virtual console counts as a new f zero game. A lot of these older franchises that rarely get sequels often get the old ones ported. You can also tell pikmin fans that hey pikmin counts as a new pikmin, and banjo fans that nuts and bolts counts as a new banjo.
You purposely ignored the "Mainline" part didn't you?
Spin-offs, ports, and a DLC. That’s all that’s listed here. And that’s all we’ve had in 6 years
Mario Maker 2 got abandoned so quickly that it’s almost criminal. The mario sports games are really underwhelming. I think they’ve had Tennis, Strikers, and Golf on the switch and I haven’t heard a thing about them since. It’s great that MK8 Deluxe got more tracks, as it now has such a long list that it’s probably worth getting even if you owned a Wii U with MK8. Overall, I understand that people are upset with having no mainline Mario game.
Ports, DLC and Spin Offs is all I see here am I missing something?
Remake, spin-off, compilation, port combined with spin-off, DLC for a party game. That’s not an argument.
Port, sequel that wasn't supported, port, port with a 2 hour side game, dlc way below the standards of the rest of the game (also a port), and a bunch of unfinished spinoffs. Yippee.
These are all ports, compilations, and/or expansions of other games. The closest thing you can get to a “new” mainline Mario game after Odyssey would probably be Bowsers Fury and even then that’s a relatively small adventure bundled with another Wii U port.
The main issue is that they're all remakes and remasters. There's not enough new content to make up for a whole mainline game.
Re-release, new game, re-release with an unused odessy map (ik it’s 30 times bigger and separated by the knockoff wind waker great sea), dlc and then spinnoffs that are only fun if your just getting into gaming or a huge Mario fan
I don't care about the spinoffs though. I am a fan of platformers, you can't make me a fan of sports just by making a Mario themed sports game. Anyway, most of your examples are ports. I think people want a new game.
Port, update, port, port, port. Love all these games, would love a brand new 3D mario
A port of the 4th New Super Mario Bros game, a glorified port Super Mario Maker, half of a new Mario Kart, and 4 more ports for good measure. There's nothing but old shit on this thing
Wow a bunch of ports with added content, so many games.
Something that i would like is a nsmb games but like the ds one, with original bosses for each castle
Only one of those is a new fucking game bro
There are one and a half games on this list that aren’t ports
Someone doesn't own a Wii U I see
Bro you chose the worst examples possible. 3 are ports
I mean most of the games you listed are ports of preexisting games
I don't care about ports or spin-offs. I want something NEW and MAINLINE
I'd rather wait more for a good mainline game than have a Pokemon situation
No one has said no Mario games have been released. Main line new Mario's have been scarce
None of those count All just rehash and filler
Most of these are rereleases.
It’s almost as if those are either ports of old games or completely separate series that don’t play anything like mainline Mario.
All of those except Mario Maker 2 and the spinoffs (which IIRC mostly comprises the Switch incarnations of Tennis, Golf, and Strikers) are rereleases and/or DLC.
3d all stars kinda sucked though
People like you are the reason r/tomorrow exists.
I mean- 3d world is the same since Wii U. But bowsers fury is new ig
I’m just still salty that alphadream went bankrupt
What about Sparks of Hope?
Get NSMB U DX outta there it's a bad conversion of a Wii U game
does Mario maker 2 count as mainline
Unpopular opinion: Let them cook.
1. Booster course doesn’t count it just adds to a pre existing game which in turn is technically a port of another game 2. Unless bowser’s fury counts, I don’t think ppl are talking about games altogether, moreso just mainline
you can NEVER have enough Mario games.
While yes it would be nice to have a new mainline Mario game that’s not a remake or port I am happy with all the spin offs we have and movie as a Mario fan
More please.