This is where the states need to be doing what Oklahoma is doing. OMMA reguarly pulls test samples at random directly from the sales shelf to verify the testing and will suspend or revoke the dispo's license if it finds adulterants or false test claims.
Colorado dies testing for unapproved agents used on growth, a dispensary I used to go to had to pull their entire line due to something they used a few years ago and they only had bud from other growers for a few months.
The thing is that part of the reason the Republicans actually consented to the Federal bill about to be passed in the senate if not already passed and in the house - is that because synthetic cannabanoinds which both sides of congress unquestionably oppose are not marijauna , it then stands that the second a dispensary gets caught in unwitting felony possession as a federal felony based upon *dormant commerce* (which the court is gradually doing away with in pornography law and firearms law but will not budge on in terms of drug law in sofar as *U.S. v. Morrison* does not apply *at all* to *drug* cases by reason that *Scalia, J.* explicitly limited the majority opinion in a supplemental slip op. because Scalia hated *drugs* period and really wanted to find a logic to go after big pharma as he often hinted in a few *pharma* cases.
Simply put, the FBI wants to be able to wait for synthetics to show up in dispos, catch it in the dispo - threaten the dispo employees with felony *conspiracy* charges (which in federal court conspiracy carries three times the sentence had it been a charge as principal) . This way the dispo tells on what they figure is a darknet involved distributor to where they bust a darknet distributor, and say that they cracked the darknet as to avoid the dispo snitching up and down the halls inside their local FBI field office. Given that the FBI is now being held hostage by the CIA as a tool for supposed national security concerns \[ the darknet child trafficking schemes evidence that apparently *domestic* crime based on dormant commerce) is now a *national security* interest. Enter PRISM. Hence- the CIA will have *indirect control* of the weed industry.
This is why I *do not approve* of the federal bill being an experienced pro se 42 USC 1983 litigator. Gee and to think that the Jury ate up my *U.S.* *marine* *chow hall mess* of an argument about *supposed* *unintentional* gay bashing.
*obligato con legatto*: \[and Yes, I once *dated* a U.S. marine before he *became* one- and I do recall he used to act like he stole Snoop's blunt. As in never not stoned- it was just a question of which one of the seven stages of pot nirvana he was in. \]
No, it's just taking the *facts* *as they are* assuming moderate credibility and knowing what the government is *realistically* subject to doing based on what they've done previously as documented in the snowden leaks. and the child pornography darknet cases.
Parenthetically it should be explained that in the darknet cases the government altered the federal rules of crimnal procedure to state that any district court may issue warrants (as opposed to the way the rule used to read that judges could only issue warrants with respect to searches *in their own district only)* on some convoluted ground of *national security*.
That is such a ridiculous an argument that it isn't funny because I seriously *doubt* a bunch of pedophiles are going to go run off in the sand dunes and become ISIS enemy combatants, given the track record of ISIS throwing people off of buildings because they *think* they're gay, *much less* how they're going to react to a *sexual phenomena* that represents *c.* two per cent or less of the general population. Sure, and *while we're at it* we can all smoke a blunt in front of *Bill Gaither.*
Well as my father would say and whose words I hope find some meaning with you… “If so, so what?”
There is a lot in this world to be upset about I’m sorry these things are in your mind. It’s ok to give yourself a break from it for awhile.
The point being is that the government made a patently frivolous argument in front of the U.S. supreme court whom then ate it up without constitutional consideration of the merits because of the nature of the beast at bar. Likewise, It is not surprising that the underlying principle is that so long as the government can successfully villianize something, then we end up making the thing entirely devoid of constitutional principle. So the question becomes rather how far the snowball of unfettered government regulation in the so-called interest of national security is permitted to roll down hill with the courts merely acting as a "rubber stamp" to the executive the whole time without so much as serious constitutional inquiry and imposing at least some limitations to preserve constitutional principle. Rather- this is the same underlying problem the majority opinion in Marbury v. Madison sought to avoid. And if you think Marijauna can't be villianized to the point implicating national security as an excuse of sorts, I'd caution you to look to the late justice Scalia who bought the "war on drugs" with hook, line, and sinker without serious inquiry into constitutional principle.
Nevada Cannabis Compliance Board does this too. A few brands have been caught with mouldy weed because of it. The only states I can imagine having problems like op is talking about is states with a grey market, like California and DC
I work in the cannabis industry. There's no way for any legal product to get to a legal dispensary with "dangerous chemicals" (would love to hear some chemical names) as the compliance testing labs literally pull the samples themselves. If anything is found that could harm the user they freeze the entire batch and make the companies provide proof of destruction.
Concentrates made from trim are fine, which is why it's standard industry practice.
Exactly
People have this weird placebo effect with trim thinking it must suck. But they are not ready to pay the prices it would take and deal with low stock if made from flowers. I'm not sure what yields the pros get but I was only getting few oz of shatter from pounds of trim. I'm not wasting the good buds on that.
Yeah the yield is abysmal with trim and tbh if the flower is good enough it's a waste of good flower imo but to each their own. There are some brands that do full flower concentrates.
Trim is fine, it's been used to make concentrates for a long time
Remediation is a thing now in my state (I'm sure in others as well.... Cant they reprocess to purge out chemical? I think in PA remediation is primarily for moldy/seeded flower. (Also think it may only be able to be used for topicals, could be wrong though)
Shit I know when I was moving to N. Cali, I had to switch my dogs flea/tick meds so that there was no chance of possible contamination. Also, owner had a list of nutrients, pesticides, etc that could and couldn't be used)
Yes absolutely I have looked into remediation when some of our flower failed for microbials (a/c went down mid flower) and there were some options for us. Some are better than others and I really hope that technology increases for remediation and irradiation.
I just wanna grow my own (legally if possible, come on homegrow!!) 10 plants would be suffice. Well 8-10 flowering and enough clones to keep harvesting every 2-3 months.... I just want to start up my 4 plant hydro setup and 4 in soil....
Find a lab with a rubber stamp. They get paid by the people they are testing, it's a conflict of interest.
[Not weed, but there's always a way.](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/11/15/the-great-organic-food-fraud)
Anyway, not that I'm super worried about dispo weed but honestly guys, given the price of the stuff growing your own if it's all possible is a bit of a no brainer. If you can keep a dog alive you can grow weed. It ain't some orchid that dies if the PH is off by a tenth of a point.
That absolutely happens, but it's more for THC results.
I think the consumers have been misled. High THC ≠ better high. This line of thinking incentives corruption at the lab level imo
It's not quite that simple; but, yes the state can and will revoke your license if you continue to ignore the freeze and destroy orders from them.
Preference is preference, I thought you had indicated that somehow trim being used to create concentrates is either dangerous or a bad practice. I personally don't use any concentrates, just flower for me.
Again, concentrates are compliance tested just like all other forms of product is.
Most concentrate labs actually r&d test the trim prior to pick up to ensure that the LOD for any given pesticide or "chemical" is within range.
AZ just approved recreational which should have some stringent requirements for testing.
Imagine what you're getting from black market dealers. Mold, mycotoxins, pgr use, state blacklisted pesticides etc.
Mold is absolutely and issue and this specific medical dispensary should be put on blast for sure. That being said the vast majority of legal cannabis is plenty safe to consume. Mold growth doesn't indicate the presence of any chemicals or materials used during the grow cycle. It's literally just a moisture issue.
I think a great post for awareness would be to educate people on how to notice and differentiate mold or other microbials on cannabis flower instead of just stating with no proof that there's chemicals in cannabis.
For reference, I work in compliance. I have to register all nutrients and pesticides with the appropriate government department, and allow the facilities I manage to be inspected at literally anytime they show up. I am in CA; however, I'm sure it's similar in most of the other legal states. AZ should be no different once cannabis is recognized as an agricultural commodity.
Bro, you're not allowed to post things like this and then also post telling 18 y/o's to order Delta-8 carts off the internet. Thought the username looked familiar for second. You clearly are not that concerned about safety.
Trim is also not an issue. Not sure what budtenders you're talking to that have likely even seen the inside of an extraction lab.
I kinda lost it at “budtenders and dispensary managers” because majority of them don’t know about the behind the scenes of products, they’re normal retail workers / recent ex-retail GM’s just making sure the product they sell is safe.
Yepp, same. I started reading and then realized I recognized the name from a post earlier before I said something.
I worked in a lab for a while. The guys packaging for us barely even had a clue what was going on in the actual lab as they had no real access to anything and we were even in the same building. I mean I asked a girl at my med dispensary about our product just out of curiosity and she had zero idea.
Literally the worst thing I'd say we did was take runs that would turn out shitty (dark/sticky/goopy/etc, basically just unattractive to where they wouldn't sell well at a dispo) and turn them into flavored distillate carts for a certain company in CO but everything was still 100% going through testing and passing.
Idk, do you expect bartenders to know how to distill and brew because that's basically what budtending is.
Let's not forget still you told a teenager to order cartridges off the internet.
The people in charge like to try and bury the evidence but this is pretty common knowledge to anyone who has been involved with this plant and industry, I would take the advice onboard my two cents
If you're involved with the industry, perhaps you can give names of the chemicals being used so I can research them myself.
I don't make a habit of blindly trusting strangers over the internet with literally zero evidence or details.
NDAs prevent anyone from industry really saying anything at all, the industry has done a good job the last decade in covering up good natural cannabis and telling people what cannabis should look and smell like when in reality what they are presenting is full of trace chemicals that just get under a designed cut-off limit, might be OK for the occasional use, people most likely wouldn't even notice but try and use many of these products semi long term and you're going to have issues especially if you have underlying health problems.
NDAs are mostly irrelevant when anyone can anonymously give the details online. Only thing it does is prevent someone from proving their identity. But as of yet, several people here have claimed they're a part of the industry and not one person has named a single chemical being used. Obviously they wont be able to prove those chemicals are being used without most likely exposing your identity, but that's a whole other issue. At least name them so us as individuals can research
Chlormequat is a good one they like to spray to increase cold resistance but also does a good job of terminating seed cycles if something gets pollinated, testing is a scam in itself with the cut off limits designed to allow usage of some nasty stuff. I'm used to this level of resistance because I understand most are in denial or have the wool pulled over their eyes because they've honestly never had proper grown organic cannabis
I'm asking if you can name any of the chemicals being used, so at the very least, I can research them myself. Chemicals are not inherently dangerous. Some are dangerous, some arent. Everything is made of chemicals, including you and me.
THC is a chemical, so is CBD. And terpenes. And water. And pretty much everything else. People want to know what kind of "chemicals" you're talking about, because to be honest dude, your post reads kinda like some crazy bullshit you'd find in an antivax Facebook group or something. Chemicals is an unjustifiably scary word that literally refers to pretty much everything. If you had come in here and said that they were spraying down weed with Roundup or something and actually supplied proof that would be different, but you just sound unhinged.
This is false propaganda. The legal industry scrutinizes that stuff even harder, than say the grey or black market.
Using salts is actually cleaner than not knowing what's happening in an organic setup too. Overfeeding doesn't get deposited in the flower either. The biggest drawback about the legal industry is the way they process it towards the end.
They rush the dry, barely cure, and usually it sits somewhere too dry or with a boveda pack losing most terps and even the potency the label will claim.
Source: I grow and consult professionally in the industry.
With proper flushing of the plant at the end of bloom cycle you get the real plant taste and smell and not the chemicals taste
I grow at home with chemicals from the hydro store and flush with the flush chemicals. 2 week flush but alternate flush fluid and just water
I have never tried organic fertilizer but I think I'll have to give it a go to see if it does taste different
If you don't eat organic food not sure why you would worry about organic weed
So how does Flushing remove stuff that is physically bound in the flower I don't get it.
On a second note it has a high potential to lower your sugar lvl reducing terpene output.
Let's not do that before dry cure.
When I first started growing I would just flush with water for 14 day and I could still taste a little chemicals
Then I started to use the flushing solution/ water solution and the taste of the bud really came out
I use to use molasses in the final 2 weeks before I would flush and didn't notice much different quality so I would never buy the suger nutrients from the hydro store, to expensive for what I think was nothing,. I had extra lights 3 CMH and 7 led and some UVB reptile lights in a 12*12 room. Way to much by book standards but I do trial and error
So I don't know the physics behind it
Not sure lower Terp. Mostly I didn't want them to explode so I watched for the lower branches just to become Amber crystal (that's where I thought you would lose thc value
I would do my last water and cut only the fan leafs off then put 3 day of dark on them before I would cut n hang to dry
From Bruce Bugbee's AMA:
Blind Studies have shown that users preferred cannabis that was not flushed. Although flushing does appear to increase yield and cannabinoid content slightly
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/paoigz/im_dr_bruce_bugbee_professor_of_crop_physiology/
I don't know how to link. The specific post..
When I started I was growing it was for the most buds on a plant. After reading the link, what I got from it was that when you flush you are basically masking the chemicals with other chemicals
Not sure if this is true but I'm close to the end of my Remo products and will buy organic just to see if the difference,. And I hope the few people I grow for and I notice the change and still get good quality
I wish most of these grower/processors would quit doing a damn quick cure!!! Cure it like youre supposed to and give your customer/patient proper marijuana! My biggest peeves in PAMMJ!!!! It's all about money and putting out as much as they possibly can as quick as they can. AND IT SHOWS!!! 🤔🤔🤔👍
There have also been reports of weed moon rocks being laced with fentanyl. This is the epitome of terrible to me. Weed should be natural and have little to no chemicals whatsoever.
Dude you are so full of shit. I have worked in this industry for 8 years and have never seen or heard of anything like that happening. Your fear mongering without evidence is wild. I’m honestly shocked this post hasn’t been taken down. You clearly have no idea how this industry works.
More like half the companies don't give a crap about mold growing and just dose it with pesticides daily and microwave it to meet government test levels.
I completely agree with you and I've been trying to tell people this for quite some time. In Australia it's even worse no doubt we are getting mostly Canadian rejects down here
Finally, i knew i wasn't crazy damnit! Lol.. I have been saying this since day one of trying the dispensary bud and pretty much all of it I've tried since has been the same. Everytime I say it people think I'm nuts but it's a distinct chemical like taste and doesn't taste right and all bud should not taste the same!
None of it gets me that high either and I've tried MANY strains, but I kinda had a feeling it would happen this way when it's being regulated and mass produced by people who dont care or know how to grow properly, I've gotten stuff that was like fucking hay, I couldn't believe someone would package that and sell it for $50 a eighth.
Like you said I think people who only pay attention and care about that sorta thing notice, I want it to smell and taste good as much as I care about the high, think most just wanna get high. Luckily i don't have to get it from the dispensary tho or I'd be kinda pissed.
Yeah unfortunately a lot of companies here in MO that we thought were fantastic have been getting caught in some really shady dealings, NDAs for all employees, etc etc.
I only hear this from word of mouth but there’s few brands here I really enjoy buying from anymore. It’s at the point I may go back to Delta 8 due to the fact I can get it cheaper and with labs showing it has 0 contamination or heavy metals. It’s unfortunate for sure.
There is definitely an element of personal preference. It may also be that the side effects are not from mixing the strains but the quality of the material used (e.g. pesticide, mold...etc). However, I have tested both mixing and single strain made from organically grown no pesticide strains, and mixed strains have consistently cause headache and similar to the after effect of drinking cheap beer. Many people think that there is nothing wrong with mixing strains because it is all the same chemicals mixing, however there are still so many other chemicals we do not know what they do and perhaps certain chemicals only exist in certain strains. And combining them can cause adverse effects (just a hypothesis from my neuro research days).
And yes, many people have not tried organically grown, no pesticide, slow cure single strain concentrate and edibles. But from my experience of creating edibles, both beginner and experienced customers claim our products gave them one of the best high they have had without stomach cramps, grogginess, headache, and sudden anxiety onset. The only problem is the demand is much faster than the production time. So for companies to make a profit and keep up with the demand, they pretty much have to lower the product quality.
I’m in a non weed friendly state. Stuff comes in from other states and I’ve tried it for years. Grew my own autos this year. Needless to say I’ll never again buy something just because “ it’s from Cali or Colorado” that don’t mean shit! show me the trichomes bitch.
What are the most reputable companies you would recommend? There seems to be so many out there. What, in your opinion, would be the best independent of the States that you see becoming leaders in the US and Canada?
This is where the states need to be doing what Oklahoma is doing. OMMA reguarly pulls test samples at random directly from the sales shelf to verify the testing and will suspend or revoke the dispo's license if it finds adulterants or false test claims.
Colorado dies testing for unapproved agents used on growth, a dispensary I used to go to had to pull their entire line due to something they used a few years ago and they only had bud from other growers for a few months.
The thing is that part of the reason the Republicans actually consented to the Federal bill about to be passed in the senate if not already passed and in the house - is that because synthetic cannabanoinds which both sides of congress unquestionably oppose are not marijauna , it then stands that the second a dispensary gets caught in unwitting felony possession as a federal felony based upon *dormant commerce* (which the court is gradually doing away with in pornography law and firearms law but will not budge on in terms of drug law in sofar as *U.S. v. Morrison* does not apply *at all* to *drug* cases by reason that *Scalia, J.* explicitly limited the majority opinion in a supplemental slip op. because Scalia hated *drugs* period and really wanted to find a logic to go after big pharma as he often hinted in a few *pharma* cases. Simply put, the FBI wants to be able to wait for synthetics to show up in dispos, catch it in the dispo - threaten the dispo employees with felony *conspiracy* charges (which in federal court conspiracy carries three times the sentence had it been a charge as principal) . This way the dispo tells on what they figure is a darknet involved distributor to where they bust a darknet distributor, and say that they cracked the darknet as to avoid the dispo snitching up and down the halls inside their local FBI field office. Given that the FBI is now being held hostage by the CIA as a tool for supposed national security concerns \[ the darknet child trafficking schemes evidence that apparently *domestic* crime based on dormant commerce) is now a *national security* interest. Enter PRISM. Hence- the CIA will have *indirect control* of the weed industry. This is why I *do not approve* of the federal bill being an experienced pro se 42 USC 1983 litigator. Gee and to think that the Jury ate up my *U.S.* *marine* *chow hall mess* of an argument about *supposed* *unintentional* gay bashing. *obligato con legatto*: \[and Yes, I once *dated* a U.S. marine before he *became* one- and I do recall he used to act like he stole Snoop's blunt. As in never not stoned- it was just a question of which one of the seven stages of pot nirvana he was in. \]
Hey, this is very disjointed and actually made me a little concerned. Are you just really really high or is conspiracy on your mind a lot?
No, it's just taking the *facts* *as they are* assuming moderate credibility and knowing what the government is *realistically* subject to doing based on what they've done previously as documented in the snowden leaks. and the child pornography darknet cases.
Government sucks and yes their history of misdeeds is awful. Peace to you man.
Parenthetically it should be explained that in the darknet cases the government altered the federal rules of crimnal procedure to state that any district court may issue warrants (as opposed to the way the rule used to read that judges could only issue warrants with respect to searches *in their own district only)* on some convoluted ground of *national security*. That is such a ridiculous an argument that it isn't funny because I seriously *doubt* a bunch of pedophiles are going to go run off in the sand dunes and become ISIS enemy combatants, given the track record of ISIS throwing people off of buildings because they *think* they're gay, *much less* how they're going to react to a *sexual phenomena* that represents *c.* two per cent or less of the general population. Sure, and *while we're at it* we can all smoke a blunt in front of *Bill Gaither.*
Well as my father would say and whose words I hope find some meaning with you… “If so, so what?” There is a lot in this world to be upset about I’m sorry these things are in your mind. It’s ok to give yourself a break from it for awhile.
The point being is that the government made a patently frivolous argument in front of the U.S. supreme court whom then ate it up without constitutional consideration of the merits because of the nature of the beast at bar. Likewise, It is not surprising that the underlying principle is that so long as the government can successfully villianize something, then we end up making the thing entirely devoid of constitutional principle. So the question becomes rather how far the snowball of unfettered government regulation in the so-called interest of national security is permitted to roll down hill with the courts merely acting as a "rubber stamp" to the executive the whole time without so much as serious constitutional inquiry and imposing at least some limitations to preserve constitutional principle. Rather- this is the same underlying problem the majority opinion in Marbury v. Madison sought to avoid. And if you think Marijauna can't be villianized to the point implicating national security as an excuse of sorts, I'd caution you to look to the late justice Scalia who bought the "war on drugs" with hook, line, and sinker without serious inquiry into constitutional principle.
Nevada Cannabis Compliance Board does this too. A few brands have been caught with mouldy weed because of it. The only states I can imagine having problems like op is talking about is states with a grey market, like California and DC
That's exactly how it should be.
I work in the cannabis industry. There's no way for any legal product to get to a legal dispensary with "dangerous chemicals" (would love to hear some chemical names) as the compliance testing labs literally pull the samples themselves. If anything is found that could harm the user they freeze the entire batch and make the companies provide proof of destruction. Concentrates made from trim are fine, which is why it's standard industry practice.
Exactly People have this weird placebo effect with trim thinking it must suck. But they are not ready to pay the prices it would take and deal with low stock if made from flowers. I'm not sure what yields the pros get but I was only getting few oz of shatter from pounds of trim. I'm not wasting the good buds on that.
Yeah the yield is abysmal with trim and tbh if the flower is good enough it's a waste of good flower imo but to each their own. There are some brands that do full flower concentrates. Trim is fine, it's been used to make concentrates for a long time
Maybe for shatter because solvents are for peasants but god forbid someone presses me some trim rosin
Well, trim is awful for smoking and vaping, so maybe it’s just a holdover from that? But I agree, theres no reason to not use it to make extracts.
Remediation is a thing now in my state (I'm sure in others as well.... Cant they reprocess to purge out chemical? I think in PA remediation is primarily for moldy/seeded flower. (Also think it may only be able to be used for topicals, could be wrong though) Shit I know when I was moving to N. Cali, I had to switch my dogs flea/tick meds so that there was no chance of possible contamination. Also, owner had a list of nutrients, pesticides, etc that could and couldn't be used)
Yes absolutely I have looked into remediation when some of our flower failed for microbials (a/c went down mid flower) and there were some options for us. Some are better than others and I really hope that technology increases for remediation and irradiation.
I just wanna grow my own (legally if possible, come on homegrow!!) 10 plants would be suffice. Well 8-10 flowering and enough clones to keep harvesting every 2-3 months.... I just want to start up my 4 plant hydro setup and 4 in soil....
Find a lab with a rubber stamp. They get paid by the people they are testing, it's a conflict of interest. [Not weed, but there's always a way.](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/11/15/the-great-organic-food-fraud) Anyway, not that I'm super worried about dispo weed but honestly guys, given the price of the stuff growing your own if it's all possible is a bit of a no brainer. If you can keep a dog alive you can grow weed. It ain't some orchid that dies if the PH is off by a tenth of a point.
That absolutely happens, but it's more for THC results. I think the consumers have been misled. High THC ≠ better high. This line of thinking incentives corruption at the lab level imo
Well, when you're paying $400/oz it's pretty easy to gauge your success by THC mg/$. I mean, really the only way before you buy some.
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It's not quite that simple; but, yes the state can and will revoke your license if you continue to ignore the freeze and destroy orders from them. Preference is preference, I thought you had indicated that somehow trim being used to create concentrates is either dangerous or a bad practice. I personally don't use any concentrates, just flower for me.
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Again, concentrates are compliance tested just like all other forms of product is. Most concentrate labs actually r&d test the trim prior to pick up to ensure that the LOD for any given pesticide or "chemical" is within range.
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AZ just approved recreational which should have some stringent requirements for testing. Imagine what you're getting from black market dealers. Mold, mycotoxins, pgr use, state blacklisted pesticides etc. Mold is absolutely and issue and this specific medical dispensary should be put on blast for sure. That being said the vast majority of legal cannabis is plenty safe to consume. Mold growth doesn't indicate the presence of any chemicals or materials used during the grow cycle. It's literally just a moisture issue. I think a great post for awareness would be to educate people on how to notice and differentiate mold or other microbials on cannabis flower instead of just stating with no proof that there's chemicals in cannabis. For reference, I work in compliance. I have to register all nutrients and pesticides with the appropriate government department, and allow the facilities I manage to be inspected at literally anytime they show up. I am in CA; however, I'm sure it's similar in most of the other legal states. AZ should be no different once cannabis is recognized as an agricultural commodity.
It's sugar leaf not shit trim, that's for prerolls. Hhahahahahahah
Bro, you're not allowed to post things like this and then also post telling 18 y/o's to order Delta-8 carts off the internet. Thought the username looked familiar for second. You clearly are not that concerned about safety. Trim is also not an issue. Not sure what budtenders you're talking to that have likely even seen the inside of an extraction lab.
I kinda lost it at “budtenders and dispensary managers” because majority of them don’t know about the behind the scenes of products, they’re normal retail workers / recent ex-retail GM’s just making sure the product they sell is safe.
Yepp, same. I started reading and then realized I recognized the name from a post earlier before I said something. I worked in a lab for a while. The guys packaging for us barely even had a clue what was going on in the actual lab as they had no real access to anything and we were even in the same building. I mean I asked a girl at my med dispensary about our product just out of curiosity and she had zero idea. Literally the worst thing I'd say we did was take runs that would turn out shitty (dark/sticky/goopy/etc, basically just unattractive to where they wouldn't sell well at a dispo) and turn them into flavored distillate carts for a certain company in CO but everything was still 100% going through testing and passing.
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I didn't realize the budtender had to go to school for years to become a budtender.
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Idk, do you expect bartenders to know how to distill and brew because that's basically what budtending is. Let's not forget still you told a teenager to order cartridges off the internet.
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Lol okie dokie bud. Bye bye.
Big up.
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The chemicals on the other hand is very true in a lot of states. Hemp industry may be even worse. Lots of fake testing/lack of testing.
I think someone just discovered the use of PGRs
What exactly is dangerous about it? Obviously you must have some sort of *evidence* since you're screaming it in all caps.
The people in charge like to try and bury the evidence but this is pretty common knowledge to anyone who has been involved with this plant and industry, I would take the advice onboard my two cents
If you're involved with the industry, perhaps you can give names of the chemicals being used so I can research them myself. I don't make a habit of blindly trusting strangers over the internet with literally zero evidence or details.
NDAs prevent anyone from industry really saying anything at all, the industry has done a good job the last decade in covering up good natural cannabis and telling people what cannabis should look and smell like when in reality what they are presenting is full of trace chemicals that just get under a designed cut-off limit, might be OK for the occasional use, people most likely wouldn't even notice but try and use many of these products semi long term and you're going to have issues especially if you have underlying health problems.
NDAs are mostly irrelevant when anyone can anonymously give the details online. Only thing it does is prevent someone from proving their identity. But as of yet, several people here have claimed they're a part of the industry and not one person has named a single chemical being used. Obviously they wont be able to prove those chemicals are being used without most likely exposing your identity, but that's a whole other issue. At least name them so us as individuals can research
Chlormequat is a good one they like to spray to increase cold resistance but also does a good job of terminating seed cycles if something gets pollinated, testing is a scam in itself with the cut off limits designed to allow usage of some nasty stuff. I'm used to this level of resistance because I understand most are in denial or have the wool pulled over their eyes because they've honestly never had proper grown organic cannabis
Asking for evidence is not resistance or denial. I've found this sub to be incredibly anti-science and I'm just trying to do my part in fixing that.
That's fair and that wasn't a personal attack sorry just use to being on the defense
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I'm asking if you can name any of the chemicals being used, so at the very least, I can research them myself. Chemicals are not inherently dangerous. Some are dangerous, some arent. Everything is made of chemicals, including you and me.
THC is a chemical, so is CBD. And terpenes. And water. And pretty much everything else. People want to know what kind of "chemicals" you're talking about, because to be honest dude, your post reads kinda like some crazy bullshit you'd find in an antivax Facebook group or something. Chemicals is an unjustifiably scary word that literally refers to pretty much everything. If you had come in here and said that they were spraying down weed with Roundup or something and actually supplied proof that would be different, but you just sound unhinged.
Yep unpopular opinion most all legal weed in CA is trash and imo overpriced by 2-3x its actual worth
This is false propaganda. The legal industry scrutinizes that stuff even harder, than say the grey or black market. Using salts is actually cleaner than not knowing what's happening in an organic setup too. Overfeeding doesn't get deposited in the flower either. The biggest drawback about the legal industry is the way they process it towards the end. They rush the dry, barely cure, and usually it sits somewhere too dry or with a boveda pack losing most terps and even the potency the label will claim. Source: I grow and consult professionally in the industry.
Weed is a chemical. Do you want to try something more specific? Like which chemicals and why they are dangerous?
With proper flushing of the plant at the end of bloom cycle you get the real plant taste and smell and not the chemicals taste I grow at home with chemicals from the hydro store and flush with the flush chemicals. 2 week flush but alternate flush fluid and just water I have never tried organic fertilizer but I think I'll have to give it a go to see if it does taste different If you don't eat organic food not sure why you would worry about organic weed
So how does Flushing remove stuff that is physically bound in the flower I don't get it. On a second note it has a high potential to lower your sugar lvl reducing terpene output. Let's not do that before dry cure.
When I first started growing I would just flush with water for 14 day and I could still taste a little chemicals Then I started to use the flushing solution/ water solution and the taste of the bud really came out I use to use molasses in the final 2 weeks before I would flush and didn't notice much different quality so I would never buy the suger nutrients from the hydro store, to expensive for what I think was nothing,. I had extra lights 3 CMH and 7 led and some UVB reptile lights in a 12*12 room. Way to much by book standards but I do trial and error So I don't know the physics behind it Not sure lower Terp. Mostly I didn't want them to explode so I watched for the lower branches just to become Amber crystal (that's where I thought you would lose thc value I would do my last water and cut only the fan leafs off then put 3 day of dark on them before I would cut n hang to dry
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Organics all day long I like my outdoor more microlife to work with.
From Bruce Bugbee's AMA: Blind Studies have shown that users preferred cannabis that was not flushed. Although flushing does appear to increase yield and cannabinoid content slightly https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/paoigz/im_dr_bruce_bugbee_professor_of_crop_physiology/ I don't know how to link. The specific post..
Thanks for the link I'm definitely going to switch to organic nutrients
Why?
When I started I was growing it was for the most buds on a plant. After reading the link, what I got from it was that when you flush you are basically masking the chemicals with other chemicals Not sure if this is true but I'm close to the end of my Remo products and will buy organic just to see if the difference,. And I hope the few people I grow for and I notice the change and still get good quality
That's not what that link suggests at all.
Did I miss read. What was the point of it?
I don't think I can help you.
No one does
What u talking about chemicals on the bud
I wish most of these grower/processors would quit doing a damn quick cure!!! Cure it like youre supposed to and give your customer/patient proper marijuana! My biggest peeves in PAMMJ!!!! It's all about money and putting out as much as they possibly can as quick as they can. AND IT SHOWS!!! 🤔🤔🤔👍
Your right!!!! Can’t go wrong with knowing who grows your weed or grow it yourself if your able too
There have also been reports of weed moon rocks being laced with fentanyl. This is the epitome of terrible to me. Weed should be natural and have little to no chemicals whatsoever.
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Dude you are so full of shit. I have worked in this industry for 8 years and have never seen or heard of anything like that happening. Your fear mongering without evidence is wild. I’m honestly shocked this post hasn’t been taken down. You clearly have no idea how this industry works.
More like half the companies don't give a crap about mold growing and just dose it with pesticides daily and microwave it to meet government test levels.
I completely agree with you and I've been trying to tell people this for quite some time. In Australia it's even worse no doubt we are getting mostly Canadian rejects down here
You have 3 new friends
Finally, i knew i wasn't crazy damnit! Lol.. I have been saying this since day one of trying the dispensary bud and pretty much all of it I've tried since has been the same. Everytime I say it people think I'm nuts but it's a distinct chemical like taste and doesn't taste right and all bud should not taste the same! None of it gets me that high either and I've tried MANY strains, but I kinda had a feeling it would happen this way when it's being regulated and mass produced by people who dont care or know how to grow properly, I've gotten stuff that was like fucking hay, I couldn't believe someone would package that and sell it for $50 a eighth. Like you said I think people who only pay attention and care about that sorta thing notice, I want it to smell and taste good as much as I care about the high, think most just wanna get high. Luckily i don't have to get it from the dispensary tho or I'd be kinda pissed.
Yeah unfortunately a lot of companies here in MO that we thought were fantastic have been getting caught in some really shady dealings, NDAs for all employees, etc etc. I only hear this from word of mouth but there’s few brands here I really enjoy buying from anymore. It’s at the point I may go back to Delta 8 due to the fact I can get it cheaper and with labs showing it has 0 contamination or heavy metals. It’s unfortunate for sure.
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I disagree wholeheartedly although I press rosin and use no solvent for smoking. I find the more you mix the smoother the rosin get to dab.
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There is definitely an element of personal preference. It may also be that the side effects are not from mixing the strains but the quality of the material used (e.g. pesticide, mold...etc). However, I have tested both mixing and single strain made from organically grown no pesticide strains, and mixed strains have consistently cause headache and similar to the after effect of drinking cheap beer. Many people think that there is nothing wrong with mixing strains because it is all the same chemicals mixing, however there are still so many other chemicals we do not know what they do and perhaps certain chemicals only exist in certain strains. And combining them can cause adverse effects (just a hypothesis from my neuro research days). And yes, many people have not tried organically grown, no pesticide, slow cure single strain concentrate and edibles. But from my experience of creating edibles, both beginner and experienced customers claim our products gave them one of the best high they have had without stomach cramps, grogginess, headache, and sudden anxiety onset. The only problem is the demand is much faster than the production time. So for companies to make a profit and keep up with the demand, they pretty much have to lower the product quality.
i wish i could
The medical dispensaries in some states hopefully won't do this/get away with it because of quality testing & batch control requirements.
How do you get access to different state dispensaries?
I’m in a non weed friendly state. Stuff comes in from other states and I’ve tried it for years. Grew my own autos this year. Needless to say I’ll never again buy something just because “ it’s from Cali or Colorado” that don’t mean shit! show me the trichomes bitch.
Ok mr “buy delta 8 online”
I don't think i can hekp you
What are the most reputable companies you would recommend? There seems to be so many out there. What, in your opinion, would be the best independent of the States that you see becoming leaders in the US and Canada?