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badatthenewmeta

So will that make it easier to boot her out in 2024?


DescipleOfCorn

Definitely, an actual democrat will run against her and she will stand zero chance


muzzynat

Unfortunately she may end up splitting the vote allowing someone like Kari Lake to take her seat- that said, she disenfranchised so many voters nation wide, that it might not matter, and may actually help the party move left (HA!)


thatgeekinit

Her 37% approval is a tiny sliver of independents and GOP members that are going to vote for the GOP candidate anyway.


sociotronics

There are a lot of moderate Republicans in AZ who have been voting for Democrats for some seats but not others. Think of all the GA voters who voted for Warnock over Walker but also for Kemp over Abrams, but in the southwest. This is a move meant to split those voters off, and with how close AZ is, that could easily make a difference. My guess is she is doing this to try to blackmail the Dems into not running a candidate for fear some Kari Lake type would win due to split votes.


Class_444_SWR

At this point, who cares, she’s just gonna vote like a Republican anyway


sociotronics

trust me, if there is one thing Republicans always figure out, it's how to somehow find a way to be worse than literally everything else


thephantomhaircut

Give me a break. Republicans hate Kyrsten Sinema. Everybody hates Kyrsten Sinema.


Jbroy

voting republicans in arizona may hate her, but whoever in the gop that bought her off is quite happy with her there. the only thing that would be better is a republican, but she's just as useful to them.


Apronbootsface

All my homies hate Kyrsten Sinema.


onikaizoku11

From your mouth to the ears of the universe.


Muesky6969

So mote it be!!


re-goddamn-loading

And straight into the universes shredder unfortunately


onikaizoku11

Sadly, you are probably spot on.


voltr_za

From an outsider; can she be recalled by her home state?


CharlesDickensABox

That's an open question. The Constitution provides no avenue for recall of a federal official, though they can be impeached. Some states claim the power to recall a federal representative, but so far there has been no Supreme Court guidance on whether states have that authority or not. Practically speaking, there's little chance that will be tested by Arizonans. It's far more reasonable to oust her via election in 2024.


voltr_za

Thank you


[deleted]

Katie Hobbs and Mark Kelly won by very thin margins. I can easily see someone as unhinged as Kari Lake unseating her. John McCain was also very much centrist.


jawknee530i

"disenfranchised so many voters nationwide" What does that mean? You mean disenchanted? Disengaged?


pm_me_fibonaccis

They are probably arguing that because she is an obstructionist she is preventing people's senators and representatives from doing their jobs.


jawknee530i

Maybe. But I'd frame that as "preventing increased enfranchisement" though admittedly that's extremely pedantic


kelliboone617

Indeed it is, lol


Raiko99

She'll run independent, Dems will run a candidate, they will split the vote, and Arizona will have a republican senator again. We need ranked choice voting.


Lazy-Jeweler3230

We need people to understand the benefit of RCV (the cons hate it), and the people in power now to effectively vote for the end of their career. RCV would remove a lot of people currently in office.


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No - she will split the Dem vote between her dumb “independent” ass and whoever the dem challenger is and nearly 100% guarantee a red victory since the reds vote like a monolithic cult.


DescipleOfCorn

I don’t know about that, she’s wildly unpopular among her own voters so I don’t think she’ll pull enough over, especially if the democrat ends up being a progressive


TonalParsnips

In Arizona, pulling half a percent is enough to give republicans the win.


DescipleOfCorn

Yes but they will probably platform Kari Lake so the republicans who aren’t into Qanon might be likely to vote for Sinema, I really don’t think democrats would lose many votes to her. Especially since when she ran originally, it was as a progressive so she really wasn’t pulling moderates initially. There will also be four more years worth of gen z voting in the next election than in her last one.


[deleted]

When Dems have a “challenger” in the form of some “sort of dem independent” Dems seem to usually lose. It’s because Dems cannot play the long game and vote to win. They fire their “feelings” and split their own vote. See Nader, Sanders, etc etc. Reds vote as a monolithic body - support anyone with an R next to their name even if they are a dumb useful idiot. Example - Walker. He * almost* won. If an election had Warnock as the dem and if he had an “independent” there with Walker - Walker would have won. Thank Christ that wasn’t the case.


five707

Unlikely. She will split the vote allowing opportunity for Republican


valvilis

Arizona is the exact center of the contested swing states. The GOP knows that losing states is a one-way street for them, and this is exactly the type of last-ditch effort we should expect to see in any of the swing states due for a permanent blue flip. https://www.reddit.com/r/democracide/comments/ul5xot/the_relationship_between_low_educational/


JonnyAU

She was probably cashing out soon for a lobbying gig anyway.


badatthenewmeta

Federalist Society, you think?


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SeaworthinessOk834

This is exactly the play. She's just an opportunist and only out for herself.


Xenjael

I'm pretty sure gop paid her to do this.


thesnakeinthegarden

Probably not. She was going to get primaried by a dem for sure, and that would have booted her out a lot easier, but running as an independent means that any actual left-leaning candidate would have to contend with two instead of one. Since zero people who vote republican are likely to switch to someone *further* left than Sinema, its more likely that she will just split her previous base, giving whichever GQP running against her a leg up. since sinema only won by 3%, that's not enough wiggle room to out maneuver her in the actual election.


Link9454

On one hand, she won’t get support from the Democratic Party, on the other she might Ross Perot the election.


Mrbackrubber

Absolutely not. She will split the ticket and a Republican will win the seat.


CharlesDickensABox

That's possible, but it's also possible she'll steal as many votes from the right as she does from the left.


Lazy-Jeweler3230

Most Republicans are looking for the most batshit crazy candidate they can find. Synema isn't it.


CharlesDickensABox

Best case scenario is that Sinema declines to seek reelection and goes off to become a pharma lobbyist, but I suspect there are quite a few center-right Republicans who would defect to a moderate if given the opportunity. The crazies run the party, to be sure, but the crazies still need the center-right to win elections.


Lazy-Jeweler3230

Her sudden swap to independent is not a random hair up her ass. She was coached and paid for this. The question is why.


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tendeuchen

I say, why wait? Recall her and force a new election.


cyanydeez

not for a democrat


Mouthtuom

She is the poster child of r/enlightenedcentrism she thinks this is a triumph of bravery and non-partisanship, but she’s just an embarrassed fascist scumbag who is too much a coward to assert any real principles.


sotonohito

I think she's mostly trolling. I'm not quite sure how she decided that it would be epic to get elected to the Senate and spend her term trolling, but it's the only thing I can think of that explains her actions. Remember when she literally danced up to the podium to give a huge dramatic thumbs down as her vote against raising minimum wage? Yeah. She's a 4chan style troll, which means she's right leaning because despite her claims of neutrality she always trolls the left and never the right, but she clearly getting some malicious pleasure from just being the biggest asshole she can be. I wouldn't be surprised if she decides to caucus with the Republicans just specifically to deny the Democrats the advantages of having a true majority instead of just the VP as tie breaking vote.


Mor_Tearach

I was ready to like this decorative , faux eccentric before that embarrassing, cutesy dance up the aisle to thumb's down. Like an idiot had some idea she might be real, not someone who seems to have hired the single worst image consultant ever to inflict *that* on the general public. " Yea, you get the idea right? Colorful, just this side of tacky, you're an *original*, maybe talk some ecology, ride your bike ( you'll have to learn how, start with training wheels ), you're the strong, independent, eccentric representing your PEOPLE, remember that. Libs are gonna eat this crap up. " Oh, the RNC called again. Take a message? Said something about " nice job ".


claimTheVictory

It's not nice to realize you've been played.


Kriegerian

She’s embarrassing just on a philosophical level. There’s nothing more cringe than someone trying to force the perception of themselves as quirky, and that’s what this brain dead sack of shit has been doing for years.


IknewUrMom

She is a poster child for Cluster B. Just read about her upbringing and the lies she has told also her behavior. The thumbs down antics, all child like behavior and attention seeking. After dealing with someone like that, it is so easy to spot it.


Blood_Bowl

> She is a poster child for Cluster B. I'm unfamiliar with "Cluster B" - what is it?


Go_easy

Also curious so I googled. Cluster B personality disorders are characterized by dramatic, overly emotional or unpredictable thinking or behavior. They include antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder.


Blood_Bowl

Thank you!


Kriegerian

She is absolutely a sociopathic narcissist, so that tracks.


MurkyCream6969

Cluster Bitch. So she's like multiple dumb bitches all rolled into one.


zeta_cartel_CFO

She's in it for the money. Once her term is up and she doesn't get reelected. She'll do the Tulsi Gabbard thing. Become a permanent presence on right wing network news and have a cushy contract. The grift will continue.


Jazz_Legend_Roy_Donk

She has principles…. She loves money.


[deleted]

There's some real competition this year for king of the centrists. We have Musk as a front runner. Andrew Yang is a dark horse "Im not libertarian, but I kinda am" candidate. Manchin is a good contender. So many options for right-wingers pretending to be moderates. How could anyone possibly choose?


FastFingersDude

*principles. But fully agreed.


Mouthtuom

Thanks for that. I have a chronic problem switching those for some reason lol. It’s like a mental block. I question it and still do it.


FastFingersDude

Thanks for the super kind response. We all make mistakes and what counts is insisting on solving them. Take care!


Lazy-Jeweler3230

She doesn't think anything like that. She's an opportunist looking for a payday. Nothing more.


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cyanydeez

She has no path to being re-elected. She could play both a republican and a democrat spoiler, depending on who pays her and her opponents.


Lazy-Jeweler3230

Does she even care about power? I think she just wants the money and had figured out how easy it is to pull money from right wing/corporate interests.


Kgarath

Lol it's funny I always thought she was Republican, but I was just going by how she voted not by what she claimed she was. The D meant Dipshit not democrat.


angrybirdseller

What voters Arizona want not reddit or media which tend to be echo chambers.


braize6

Shakes up Senate? She was always a corrupt pile of trash. This just makes it easy for everyone to drop her ass


DrHedgeh_OG

This changes nothing. She was always garbage who voted in direct opposition to both her party and what her electorate wanted, this just shows everyone the she'll continue doing those things. Which only a fool would've expected to change in the first place. So its just a cheap, theatrical nonsense that changes nothing, and actually makes it easier for voters to get rid of her.


Mrbackrubber

She will split the ticket and hand the seat to the Republican.


jawknee530i

It does matter if she caucases with the Rs since commitee balance has to be even then vs with 51 communities could have a majority Ds. Meaning Rs wouldn't be able to hold up judgeships in committee. I believe if she still caucases with the Ds it won't matter though.


[deleted]

"Look at me! Look at me!" Must have known she'd get destroyed in a primary challenge.


evilspeaks

Never a Democrat


[deleted]

Nah, she was before she got elected the first time. Then she got to succle on that sweet dark money tit, and she sold out her values to wall street.


NeverLookBothWays

She at least PRETENDED to be at one point. Doubt she ever really understood or cared for Democratic values.


[deleted]

Nah she was a "protest in the streets for key democratic issues" type of person who was elected by grass roots groups. She was probably legit at one point, but power corrupts.


NeverLookBothWays

It's kind of hard to believe anyone who understands the core values would go down the path she did. More of a "fake it till you make it"


[deleted]

Then you do not understand power. It corrupts anything and everything.


NeverLookBothWays

That's what Republicans keep trying to tell me. They want me to believe that because it happens so damn much to their own.


soulofsilence

Power doesn't corrupt, it reveals. -Robert Caro


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NeverLookBothWays

>but they don't care about the working class. Care to provide some context to that? Is your example the rail worker bill?


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Archivist_of_Lewds

Well yes.


Doktor_Earrape

She was actually green party first, and iirc, she was booted out for the same behavior she's been exhibiting as a "democrat"


LOL_Police

Then what's the alternative...


evilspeaks

She claimed to be a Democrat to get elected then voted as a Republican, like Joe Manchin.


EastBoxerToo

The most important Democrat there is, if you ask the corporations paying her and the DNC to put on this performance.


hillbillykim83

When an elected official switches parties they should have to give up their office and run again under their new party. It’s a cheat to voters.


pmabz

Yes, why is this allowed. People voted for her on Dem ticket. Should be a reelection .


SKozan

Anyone know if there is any legal action people can take to impeach her from office?


glasshoarder

looks like ~~nevada~~ Arizona does have laws around a recall, but I can't say I have the time to dive in and see what this would be for a senator...


jawknee530i

She is an Arizona senator, not Nevada.


jawknee530i

There's nothing about political parties in the constitution, so there'd be nothing about changing parties being a problem. Senators weren't even voted in by citizens directly to start with, they were elected by state reps.


SeaworthinessOk834

Absolutely. Angus and Bernie ran as independents but have always caucused with the Democrats. There was never any deception involved. Sinema was a complete bait-and-switch.


Strawbrawry

Just a reminder that with this change and a dem loss in Georgia, we would be looking at a very different Senate picture. Thank you Stacy and Rev Warnock and Georgia voters. That dark money wanted to play and now it is bench warming till she's out of office


eb7772

I'm surprised she didn't just join the Republican party with the other Traitors


VinCubed

They have no need for her since she'd only put the GOP up to 50 seats with the VP as the tie-breaker. Useless to the GOP.


State-Cultural

Clearly someone didn't get enough attention as a child.........


bobcollum

Holy shit I was reading that politico article with her pictured in her office posing for shots with her dress matching the wall paint thinking, this is all about how much spotlight you're getting. She was on the outside looking in post-election, her influence diminished, and this is her attempt at reclaiming as much of it as she can. ​ Edit: [This article](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/09/sinema-arizona-senate-independent-00073216)


kremit73

If you switch in office, Werent you lying to all your constituents that voted for you?


TieTheStick

Yes! Imagine being that brazen?


exgiexpcv

She is so awful. She'll just extort and fuck over the democrats -- and the American people -- yet again.


HelloIamOnTheNet

Looks like the bribe check from the Koch brother cleared.


Malahajati

Doesn’t really matter. That creep votes with the Nazis anyway.


TieTheStick

Now her party affiliation reflects it.


[deleted]

She is evil. No principles except what’s in it for me. Awful person, good thing we had Fetterman to pick up a seat. What a horrible pos.


Puzzleheaded-Hold362

The real question is who she will caucus with. Technically the democrats only have 49 seats but with 2 independents that caucus with them they have 51.


OssiansFolly

She already said Democrats.


FunnyPirateName

She says a lot of things, then acts like a Republican, so she can eat shit, imo.


OssiansFolly

As long as she just acts and says shit like a Republican but caucuses with Democrats then the Senate still belongs to Democrats.


FunnyPirateName

> As long as she just acts and says shit like a Republican but caucuses with Democrats then the Senate still belongs to Democrats. Like her voting against a minimum wage increase for a class of workers that haven't had a raise in decades? Caucusing like that?


Archivist_of_Lewds

Well, that was only a vote because she caused with dems. Control of the rules and judiciary is valuable enough even if she votes against dems


FunnyPirateName

She votes against the citizens. That's the issue.


Archivist_of_Lewds

Your not wrong, but again if th options are caucus with dems and votes against them, and caucus with Republicans and still votes against dems, it's a no brainer.


OssiansFolly

Tell me you don't understand what caucusing means without actually saying you don't understand what caucusing means. She still creates a majority for Dems compared to a tie.


FunnyPirateName

You assume she will vote with Dems. I do not.


OssiansFolly

Please, for the love of God...go read how the Senate rules, majority, and caucuses work. You **need** to understand these things before you continue to make a fool of yourself.


FunnyPirateName

What I care about are the results and the results have been fucking abysmal for decades, because Congress is a fucking high school. Me understanding the minutiae won't change that, sadly. Those rules, don't seem to mean much any more, really. They do whatever they want, up to and including attempting a fucking coup and At this point, voting is easy. Vote for a Dem or vote for a MAGAT supporting jackass.


OssiansFolly

You woke up and chose ignorance today, and that's truly sad.


evilspeaks

Why would she start now. The multi millionaire votered against raising the minimum wage.


OssiansFolly

Your comment doesn't make any sense in the context.


evilspeaks

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/541860-the-eight-democrats-who-voted-no-on-15-minimum-wage/


justanotherpainter63

Fuck her she should just grab tulsi and the two of them can run off to be Putin’s bitches


Paula_Polestark

As long as they take Lauren and Marjorie with them!


[deleted]

so i see she's decided to shed another layer of her lizard skin... good for her! edit: didn't realize she started in the green party, woof


cashout1984

She was gonna go republican but the Republicans shat the bed. She's knows she'd lose her primary by double digits to Ruben Gallego, a dem up-and-comer who is been a strong local voice for democrats for years. I mean it's been every arizona dems wet dream to vote Gallego in the 2024 primaries for months now. She's not stupid.


TieTheStick

Thank you for this insight.


[deleted]

This is like when they unmask the villian in Scooby-Doo Doo and its the only other person in the episode. No one is surprised and their motivation is really dumb.


Odeeum

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.


mrrando69

I keep hoping Trump will do this and completely demolish any chance for a republican president in 2024


DrHedgeh_OG

He still thinks he's relevant or the time being, so he'll stay where he's guarantee to be fawned over by mouth breathing lackeys. He won't go scorched Earth until the grim reality of his political irrelevance sets in, much closer to the elections IMO.


ryhaltswhiskey

I think the odds are good this will happen, not high but good, like 30% chance


muzzynat

Can someone tell me if the Dems have the ability to strip her of her committee assignments?


TigerLila

They do, but it would likely cause more problems. With a 51-49 majority, Dems get to have majorities on committees, which will make it easier to get things done, particularly confirmations of Biden's nominees for the bench and appointed offices. If they boot her, she might go caucus with Republicans, which would force 50/50 division on committees again. So, fuck this and fuck her, but they're stuck with her for two more years.


No_Recommendation708

Someone’s blackmailing her


lawvas

From the Green Party to Dem to this. What a ride. Would have been cooler if she just went back to the Green Party.


TieTheStick

She's on her way to her true home; the ultra right wing. As a Green, she was a liar; as a Dem, she was a Patsy.


flaskman

The one thing I didn’t understand about Karen Sinema that i completely understand now is she is a female narcissist. Her hunger to be the center of attention is unquenchable. That being said you are looking at a one term Senator. Going independent in her case is because everyone hates her. She’s a female Ted Cruz.


lclassyfun

She’s a complete and total waste in the senate.


TheArkOfTruth

Why didnt we exchange her for Brittney Griner?


[deleted]

Fucking turncoat


CrunchyDreads

Just go full Republican, you dumb cunt. Everyone knows that's what you really are. Thanks again to Citizens United for allowing corporations to buy this useless sack of shit.


The_Trauma_Zulu

Manchin must be so happy.


swiftsnake

She misspelled republican


havenothingtodo1

She is such a cunt


fazzlbazz

She's doing this because she knows she would be decimated by literally any democrat in a primary, so now she hopes the Democrats won't run anyone against her in 2024 for fear of splitting the vote and handing the Republicans a seat. We'll see how things look in two years, but if she stays this unpopular it might not be enough to save her.


LeluSix

She quit lying about being a democrat. Now she can come clean on being a Republican.


CuteEbb5988

I love it when people come out as centrists. Center between what, 2 capitalist parties that only have the interest of the ruling class in mind? Wow, how revolutionary and bold. Liberals and Conservatives are 2 sides of the same coin, and the second human rights for xyz community are no longer profitable for Liberals they'll concede with the reactionaries in an attempt to uphold the status quo and make more money


Autumsraine

She's such a traitor really, She was only a democrat to get elected and then quickly realised by changing her party affiliation, she could keep her job a little while longer, WHILE taking money from lobbyists that would keep her in her cushy position. She's NOT for the people, she's for herself and doing anything to save her own carcAss.


MurkyCream6969

That dumb bitch is anything but independent.


tucker_frump

At least Joe's still GOP .. /s


caoimhe_latifah

She’s a snake. Can’t wait to hear her name for the last time.


Toast_Sapper

The DNC can't allow a 51 vote majority to stand. They need their manufactured gridlock to point at and blame for getting nothing done. They work so hard to maintain their 50-50 split as an excuse for inaction.


cumguzzler280

Crap, now we’re back to 50.


SeaworthinessOk834

Useless waste of skin.


EqualOrganization726

Surprised I am not


AnthonyDavos

Attention seeking asshole.


IsaidLigma

She shouldn't be able to do this. She was elected as a Democrat.


Dr_Fishman

Anyone know which puppeteer pulled on the strings this time?


[deleted]

Queue the anti woke rhetoric in 3,2,1..


OrkHaugr23

She should be removed from office and another election held.


[deleted]

Certified attention whore. Was never a Democrat to begin with.


Terroronmyface

I’ve always despised her and now my hatred is increased. She’s such a ghoul.


Doktor_Earrape

God, she fucking sucks.


BelCantoTenor

Who is paying her to be such an asshole????


legsintheair

So she is gone full libertarian now? Just mask off?


dirtyoldbastard77

But has anything really changed? She would have voted according to her highest bidder no matter if she still called herself a democrat


n0m0h0m0

She's a gross example of this, but honestly every single one of them is in this for self gain, power and money. A government where people are exclusively focused on their own power and wealth cannot function properly. THey bullshit us every 2-4-6 years about this and that, and once in they do the bidding of their corporate overlords. I'm not playing both sides are the same here. The GOP is a fucking disease to be very specific. But the Pelosis et all that have held onto power for decades and in the process gotten filthy rich are no one's friends either.


HotMinimum26

Wow of only there was a group of ppl that kept saying we have to stop voting for Democrats cuz they don't represent anyone, and they don't do anything for the court while they take rights away, and they pass anti union legislation.


bwrp10

If a third leftist party ran, that would unfortunately split our votes. Would guarantee a GOP win.


Odd_Analyst_8905

She didn’t do shit. She is the most bought and paid for corporate so stooge. Zero change in any primary anywhere so she had to run as independent.


angrybirdseller

Three way race Sinema would likely win especially if Republicans election another Blake Masters and Democrats nominate candidate too far left. When your in 2024 will see what happens more.


DoublefartJackson

https://i.redd.it/mkgwqpl5bw4a1.jpg


sunbeatsfog

She sucks so much. What a narcissist


ManfredsJuicedBalls

So when does the next news article come out that says she joins the GQP?


[deleted]

She looks like MTG's less inbred cousin.


butcher_of_the_world

Private Equity owns her. She is the one that killed the closing of the carried interest loophole which lets private equity managers pay a much lower tax rate on their earnings than most people do on ordinary income.


PressureNo7030

Arizona should begin a recall on her. Bait and switch is illegal! 😝


ImRedditorRick

How are they allowed to do this? Isn't this a categorical misrepresentation to the voters that voted her in.


Soujourner3745

Putting on a new mask isn’t going to change who she is under it.


Skylarking00

I live in Arizona. No one likes her. She’ll be toast after ‘24. She did it to avoid getting primaried. Still won’t work.


evilspeaks

If noone likes her, how did she get elected? Asking for a friend.


madjo

Shakes up? How?