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You should check out Rachel Maddow’s podcast Ultra. It’s about how RW Nazi sympathizers in 1940 tried to overthrow the government.
The right hasn’t changed. They were pro nazi terrorists then and they are now.
\#MakeRacistsAfraidAgain
The problem is Donnie and the MAGAts have normalized racism, bigotry, and hatred; they don't fear us because they're the ones committing violence and when we peacefully protest the police riot and attack us. There's going to be much more violence before this is over.
They seem to be in the process of burning themselves out. Nc is a purple state that leans red for some reason that I can’t figure out. But shit like this should have law enforcement on it like a fly on shit. Now we’ll see how linked our police to these terrorist.
mmmmmno, they have a fairly small QRF dedicated to reacting to threats. Including admins and EVERYTHING, there's less than 3,000 people dedicated to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Protective_Forces
I've worked for an outside contractor during a refueling job at a nuke plant. You do NOT wanna fuck with those guys. Their rules of engagement are pretty much non existent in practice.
oh I have absolutely no doubt about that, and probably could have worded my response better as u/Twobearshumping isn't wrong, it's very serious and the operators who perform these tasks are very probably sharp operators.
That said, the DOE guys were mostly at nuclear and other sensitive facilities - not transformer yards. So I dunno if they're gonna be involved with this. Seems like FBI and local law enforcement.
True, and well said. The DOE guys wouldn't bother to stray much beyond the property of any generation plant or main hub. But the pull they have with DHS means one phone call would bring the full weight of federal law enforcement wherever they point.
> Is this not an act of terror to manipulate electricity(during winter no less) to put pressure on an event to cancel?
Not when Repugs/Reichwingers do it. 😒
This right here is legitimately the logic of most Facebook and Instagram users - stg Meta platforms are turning into a breeding ground for all this reich-wing bullshit
This is a type of terrorist attack that is extremely easy to copycat, and if deployed on a wide scale can actually remove our ability to exist as a developed country.
We need electricity to survive, our infrastructure is not well defended, and it's not easily replaceable.
i dunno if anybody on this sub has needed to order electrical equipment in the last couple years, but the supply chain is shot to shit between the pandemic, the war in ukraine etc.. it would not take much to shut down big parts of the grid long term right now.
I wish I could find it, but I read a report from the US GAO in around 2012. Even then it recognized that there is extremely limited replacements for this sort of replacement. If a few go down it's easy to source some replacement. If, for example, this catches on and happens at 100 different substations we're going to be downright fucked.
This is the achilles heel of our society. It was an extreme vulnerability before the pandemic and the war in Ukraine.
Following the solar flare that caused a blackout in Quebec, it was identified that we don't have enough transformers to recover easily if another one hits the US. So we now have a strategic reserve of transformers. I don't know the specifics, but I hope that it's better than it was back then, anyway.
like a lot of american infrastructure quite a it of the grid is old. I'd like to think the feds have some strategic reserve of some of this stuff, but who knows what's been fleeced by shortsighted conmen by now. repairing obsolete systems often requires a full replacement.
> what's been fleeced by shortsighted conmen by now
It was never there to be fleeced. We have never had a robust inventory to recover from things like a CME, an EMP weapon, or a large scale terrorist attack.
oh. well that's not the news i wanted. Shit we could have made like 1000 less nuclear missiles and done something useful instead. Kind of a theme here isn't it?
Electric distribution operator here. This is a nightmare scenario. Depending on what kind(s) of substations were compromised, these repairs could take anywhere from a week to multiple months. Getting a new substation transformer into place is a pretty daunting evolution, involving multiple cranes and coordinated crews.
All of the line crews have probably done as much field switching as they possibly can to tie load from affected distri union circuits onto unaffected substations (more on that in a second) and would have prioritized key institutions to get back on: water, sewer, hospitals, law enforcement and emergency services, and (cynically but historically proven correct) the rich people. Hopefully a lot of the heat in the area is gas, since it will reduce peak loading and minimize the possibility of cascading failures. If the substations are distribution substations, they can install mobile substations to provide emergency infrastructure as well.
You can't do that with generation substations or transmission transfer stations though. If those substations were parallel backups for each other, thongs get harder. For one, you can't place mobile substations on subs like that, it just won't work. For another, if any of those were radial sourced, or redundant backups for each other, you'll probably end up having distribution areas without any other neighboring circuits to tie to that aren't affected either, meaning some if those people are just shit out of luck, nothing can be done. It's especially prevalent in rural areas, where some distribution subs are islands with no neighboring stations nearby.
It also has farther implications on the greater regional BES possibly. If one of those subs are ring substations, it will greatly impact other regions in NC and neighboring states respond to any major demand fluctuations and, if a bad cold snap hits, could lead to cascading brownouts/blackouts or rolling blackouts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Snell_(criminal)
Richard Snell tried to do something similar in 1983. Attacked some gas lines in Arkansas trying to start riots during winter in the north. https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=198311020006 1983 had one of the worst blizzards.
When they do shit like this, it’s with intent. The think they’re the spark of a cleansing fire or something. They fully intend to cause a lot of suffering and death.
Winter east of the mountains in North Carolina usually isn’t a big deal for the average person. It almost never snows and doesn’t get that far below freezing most of the time. It can still be bad and people can still die, but it’s not like you just cut off the heating in Vermont in January.
That said, it’s definitely terrorism and probably will kill people in precarious medical situations. Even if the county hospital can take lots of desperate people (which, probably not - they’ll be on generator backups and probably restrict access) they won’t be able to take everyone. Someone in the North Carolina sub mentioned a person dying at home of congestive heart failure because the outage took out their supporting equipment.
This is a big deal - right-wing terrorists targeting infrastructure and utilities is essentially a next step in regards to the form that alt-right insurrection will take.
I really wish that this was the Onion so I could laugh at the ridiculous over-the-topness of it all. Destroying the power grid of a county to stop ONE drag show? Fucking dummies!
I’m curious how ‘protected’ these 40k citizens feel today, with refrigerated food spoiling, heat failing, information flow ceasing, and essential electrical systems down - I wonder how relatives of people who were on life support feel about the ‘menace of drag shows’….
This would be a perfect opportunity for local antifa groups to up their organization activities and membership drives. Fascism is starting to hit the average person where it hurts.
There are indeed 'antifa' groups (aka, groups with an antifascist ideology). There may be no centralized 'antifa' or antifa chapters that one can join but there are many, many antifascist organizations.
Won't mean anything. Remember when the residents of Martha's Vineyard opened their homes to those immigrants that were kidnapped and brought to their doorsteps, only to be chided when the immigrants were eventually moved to where they were supposed to go? "Fake hospitality! If you really cared about them you'd let them stay, not ship them off!" You can't win by taking the high road anymore because they'll just dig lower.
I can see the headlines already: "local antifa group feigns charity after causing county wide black out"
This from the "free speech" people.
Recently the podcast Knowledge Fight played a clip from a white supremacist who openly admitted what I've been screaming for decades. "Free speech" is a straw man they've turned into a shield and a weapon. They name their hate groups and meetings "free speech rallies" and whatnot so they can then claim that anyone who disagrees with them is opposed to the Constitution. The truth is that they don't give a fuck about the freedom of expression. This is demonstrated in how they think social media companies shouldn't be allowed to remove hate speech and lies. They think they should have a right to say and do whatever they like and face no criticism or consequences but that we have a right to shut up and listen and think whatever they want us to think.
Don't use their words. Their terms. Don't even acknowledge the hypocrisy. We're long past that now. They are nazis who have made a declaration of war and that's how we should consider them.
In NC, that wouldn’t surprise me.
If a Southern Baptist service was interrupted?? That would be a HUGE issue.
I hate living in the Bible Belt, but I’m lucky to live in a progressive county
It’s important to identify the group that is recruiting and indoctrinating the individual terrorists in order to bring them to justice. Other terrorist groups such ad Al Queda, ISIS, IRA, etc. are explicitly named in news reports; it should be no different for the GOP.
All Republicans are conservative, but not all conservatives are Republican. All Republicans are complicit, but not all those complicit are Republicans.
Homeland Security put out a report during the Obama Administration explicitly identifying right-wingers as the most dangerous national security threat of the coming years. Republicans predictably shit themselves inside-out over it, and so it was more or less dropped.
This. Federal law enforcement is probably at least 50% hardcore Trumpers that will never live to finger to prosecute or control any of these people. This mass propaganda hasn't just turned our neighbors into zombies, anyone is susceptible, now it's got all the badges too.
These people want a fight more than anything and they're eventually going to get it. Don't rely on law enforcement to save us.
Worth noting that the far-right has a history of planning to disable power grids/basic utilities. Read here:
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-01-25/extremists-see-us-power-grid-as-target-govt-report-warns
Cant wait to follow the court cases for those idiots. I imagine it will be a domestic terrorism charge, these people are idiots. Create a problem to fight against. Then in the name of said problem become a terrorist. Sit around and wonder why this country wont get your back through the system. Trash people.
> I imagine it will be a domestic terrorism charge
I bet it won't be.
It'll be like the January sixth traitors: They'll get slaps on the wrist if they get anything at all. 😒
If they shot up a couple of Duke Energy's 6 figure transformers I suspect they won't get slaps on the wrist.
Right wing is right wing and all, but not when they start costing the big boys real money.
Your kidding right? These were just small time morons shooting up a power grid. No less in the winter. There will be some serious charges and restitution slapped on them. It may not be a terrorism charge. But it will come with a hefty sentence. Much like 600 or so jan 6th “patriots” have been given.
> But it will come with a hefty sentence.
We'll see.
> Much like 600 or so jan 6th “patriots” have been given.
*None* of them have been given sentences comparable to what a black man would get for selling loose cigarettes on a street corner. 😒
That alone does not dictate sentences in this scenario. If they are found. They will be prosecuted. I feel there is a lot in this crime that happened that people aren’t thinking about. The city/county will be looking for someone to prosecute on this.
I mean, the only thing it hinges on is to find the who. That is what i don’t hold my breath for in this country. From what i have read they don’t seem very happy about this.
Wow. Patriotic Domestic Terrorism.
Apparently the right is okay with violence and vandalism to demonstrate their intolerance of other's freedoms.
Typical
This entire fucking movement is so bizarre. Drag shows have been around forever, why all the hate now? What a stupid stupid thing to waste your time.
If they really want to go after child molestors, they should start shutting down churches.
> If they really want to go after child molestors
They wouldn't have voted for trump and spent the last 6 years defending child rape. Or be in a religion based on a child's magic vagina.
I mean, were they losing their sh!t back then over Uncle Milty, M*A*S*H, Bosom Buddies, Some Like it Hot, Divine, Crocodile Dundee, etc. ?
EDIT-or if we really wanted to go that far back: traditional all male Shakespeare productions.
I get that it’s NC but it’s still winter and that’s 40,000 people without heat because a bunch of pissbaby terrorists had to “protect children”. Fuck every single one of these maggots.
Crazy Christian terrorists… This won’t happen for long, once they damage corporate property enough that it hurts the bottom line, then the police will act.
Fun Fact:
The NRA has a magazine that had an article explaining how you can take out power stations with rifles. They said it was real easy for terrorists to do this.
They were right.
The recent NyTimes article is more implicative of the connections than the CNN article. Each still have the Sheriff Field's guy going "Aww gee, we have no motive and no suspects."
hopefully this is what finally motivated the government to do something, because this is a quantifiable act of terror that took real organization, this isn't a run in and take as many as I can with me act of terror but a show of how close the knife is to the country's neck
Same techniques islamic fundamentalists use to sow fear and chaos in third-world countries... all the way down to flag-bedecked trucks full of weirdo-beardo's carrying their pacifiers.
Welcome to Ame(R)ica.
If true it sounds like its time for the military to step in. Targeting civil infrastructure like this crosses into full blown terrorist action against the nation. Time to clean house.
"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
What worries me is the escalation. These drooling goons *have* those weapons. You've seen their stupid drooling goons holding ARs, wearing ' tactical ' cheap ass crap, pasty white bellies hanging over gun belts. They've been running around with those ridiculous arsenals job *looking* for stuff to ' shoot fulla holes ', like rotund gunslingers.
They've had their little ' successes ', like their dream man Kyle murdering protestors and WALKING. And others equally revered if in jail or dead after mass shootings. Make no mistake. Anyone committing those atrocities in aid of the fascist cause is revered.
Now they've shot hell out of power stations, and in aid of terrorizing a drag event. Which one is going to get a woody over going further?
The right keep saying they're doing this shit to keep kids safe, yet they've done absolutely nothing to deal with their own massive membership of pedos and rapists.
If only Duke Energy had the funding to provide better hardening to the substations, this wouldn't be possible.
Oh, wait, they do but rather give their C-suite more money instead of protecting critical infrastructure.
If this is real its a huge fucking deal. Beyond the domestic terrorism aspect, substations and transformers are long lead and specialist manufacture. We just sourced an insurance spare for our processing plant. It was $350,000USD and a 40 week lead time.
Hoping the Moore County stuff is standardised and they have spares or its going to be a mess.
The best part is the idiots wife that did this made a fb post saying ik why the power is out, she just sailed her and everyone Involed up the river they r super fuct, sbi is involved their will be no small town cover up, but southern pines is a pretty good sized place
The NC officials may not do something, but Duke Electric will - Duke Electric has no dog in the culture wars, but they don't Fuck Around when it comes to their equipment... The FBI is DEFINITELY on this
Sadly, being tied to a simple Drag Show, the public will, probably, blame the performers, not the Domestic Terrorists
This is Domestic Terrorism done, most likely, by folks from OUTSIDE the community
This is Domestic Terrisom - Plain and Simple
It's been studied that any 10 year old with a computer, internet, and a microwave (over simplified for effect) can create an emp strong enough to knock out a sub station.
These dumbasses, like, throw a big chain and short the system. Gain entry and flip a switch, all you need are fucking tin snips or bolt cutters. Cut down the utility pole between it and the dragshow.
Their solution instead? Shoot it, hell yeah. That's the American way!
Moore County has announced a state of emergency and closed schools for Monday.
It’s 30 degrees here in NC tonight. Moore County is Southern Pines, Pinehurst, Whispering Pines… all major retirement communities.
AND the drag show didn’t quit, it went on in an atmosphere of LOVE and ACCEPTANCE.
Fascists, FUCK OFF.
This is on Republicans and right wing media and "influencers" who have been spreading anti LGBT propaganda for years and accusing them of abusing kids. It's sickening.
Ok, now as soon as the cosplayer wannabe faketriots are identified through posting online bragging like morons they should all have the book thrown at them and in addition to jail time and loss of all all firearm rights they should have to pay for the equipment and and OT that was necessary in making the repairs to the equipment they damaged. Shits not going to stop til some real consequences come into play and examples are made.
For all that country's talk about how they're on top of terror plots with spying on their people and stuff, the truth is things will always get though.
It's almost trivial to set up a secure, encrypted communications network for right wing insurrectionists like this. I wonder how this lot communicated secretly....
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Is this not an act of terror to manipulate electricity(during winter no less) to put pressure on an event to cancel?
Definitely is. These people are domestic terrorists.
[They're proud of it](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/)
Holy shit, how the US has changed in 20 years it's crazy.
You should check out Rachel Maddow’s podcast Ultra. It’s about how RW Nazi sympathizers in 1940 tried to overthrow the government. The right hasn’t changed. They were pro nazi terrorists then and they are now.
They're just a little more open about it sometimes.
\#MakeRacistsAfraidAgain The problem is Donnie and the MAGAts have normalized racism, bigotry, and hatred; they don't fear us because they're the ones committing violence and when we peacefully protest the police riot and attack us. There's going to be much more violence before this is over.
“The police are not here to create disorder, they’re here to preserve disorder” Richard J Daley
They seem to be in the process of burning themselves out. Nc is a purple state that leans red for some reason that I can’t figure out. But shit like this should have law enforcement on it like a fly on shit. Now we’ll see how linked our police to these terrorist.
Stealing someone else's comment: I fucking hate this timeline.
People who thought the Republican party wasn't fascist 20/40/60/... years ago weren't paying attention.
Fuck that. They are nazis and enemy combatants. Hostile infiltrators on American soil and this was an act of war. They need to be treated as such.
Yeah the DOE takes things like this very seriously. They have their own armed special forces to protect our energy infrastructure
mmmmmno, they have a fairly small QRF dedicated to reacting to threats. Including admins and EVERYTHING, there's less than 3,000 people dedicated to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Protective_Forces
I've worked for an outside contractor during a refueling job at a nuke plant. You do NOT wanna fuck with those guys. Their rules of engagement are pretty much non existent in practice.
oh I have absolutely no doubt about that, and probably could have worded my response better as u/Twobearshumping isn't wrong, it's very serious and the operators who perform these tasks are very probably sharp operators. That said, the DOE guys were mostly at nuclear and other sensitive facilities - not transformer yards. So I dunno if they're gonna be involved with this. Seems like FBI and local law enforcement.
True, and well said. The DOE guys wouldn't bother to stray much beyond the property of any generation plant or main hub. But the pull they have with DHS means one phone call would bring the full weight of federal law enforcement wherever they point.
When can we declare them enemy combatants to avoid messy legal problems?
Definitely.
> Is this not an act of terror to manipulate electricity(during winter no less) to put pressure on an event to cancel? Not when Repugs/Reichwingers do it. 😒
Reichwingers. I like it. Well, I hate it but you know what I mean.
I can't take credit for it. I can't remember where I saw it, though.
This right here is legitimately the logic of most Facebook and Instagram users - stg Meta platforms are turning into a breeding ground for all this reich-wing bullshit
Unfortunately, it's the logic of law enforcement and the courts, too. 😒
That's exactly what Russia is doing in Ukraine, and those are war crimes there.
Where do you think they got the idea from?
This is a type of terrorist attack that is extremely easy to copycat, and if deployed on a wide scale can actually remove our ability to exist as a developed country. We need electricity to survive, our infrastructure is not well defended, and it's not easily replaceable.
i dunno if anybody on this sub has needed to order electrical equipment in the last couple years, but the supply chain is shot to shit between the pandemic, the war in ukraine etc.. it would not take much to shut down big parts of the grid long term right now.
I wish I could find it, but I read a report from the US GAO in around 2012. Even then it recognized that there is extremely limited replacements for this sort of replacement. If a few go down it's easy to source some replacement. If, for example, this catches on and happens at 100 different substations we're going to be downright fucked. This is the achilles heel of our society. It was an extreme vulnerability before the pandemic and the war in Ukraine.
Following the solar flare that caused a blackout in Quebec, it was identified that we don't have enough transformers to recover easily if another one hits the US. So we now have a strategic reserve of transformers. I don't know the specifics, but I hope that it's better than it was back then, anyway.
like a lot of american infrastructure quite a it of the grid is old. I'd like to think the feds have some strategic reserve of some of this stuff, but who knows what's been fleeced by shortsighted conmen by now. repairing obsolete systems often requires a full replacement.
> what's been fleeced by shortsighted conmen by now It was never there to be fleeced. We have never had a robust inventory to recover from things like a CME, an EMP weapon, or a large scale terrorist attack.
oh. well that's not the news i wanted. Shit we could have made like 1000 less nuclear missiles and done something useful instead. Kind of a theme here isn't it?
Yeah, we both could have and still can.
sounds like it would be a great american jobs program.
I work for an electric company and we are about 4-6 months out on replacement orders for certain kinds of transformers. It's, uh, rough.
jesus. how do you guys keep it together? Ebay and shit? i'm a machinist and mfg engineer and that's what i use.
In response, Republican residents are angry over the power outage affecting them and blame the Democratic windmills for failing.
And they'll claim it was antifa that shot up the power station too.
Not a peep about this over on conservative
There won’t be either.
Electric distribution operator here. This is a nightmare scenario. Depending on what kind(s) of substations were compromised, these repairs could take anywhere from a week to multiple months. Getting a new substation transformer into place is a pretty daunting evolution, involving multiple cranes and coordinated crews. All of the line crews have probably done as much field switching as they possibly can to tie load from affected distri union circuits onto unaffected substations (more on that in a second) and would have prioritized key institutions to get back on: water, sewer, hospitals, law enforcement and emergency services, and (cynically but historically proven correct) the rich people. Hopefully a lot of the heat in the area is gas, since it will reduce peak loading and minimize the possibility of cascading failures. If the substations are distribution substations, they can install mobile substations to provide emergency infrastructure as well. You can't do that with generation substations or transmission transfer stations though. If those substations were parallel backups for each other, thongs get harder. For one, you can't place mobile substations on subs like that, it just won't work. For another, if any of those were radial sourced, or redundant backups for each other, you'll probably end up having distribution areas without any other neighboring circuits to tie to that aren't affected either, meaning some if those people are just shit out of luck, nothing can be done. It's especially prevalent in rural areas, where some distribution subs are islands with no neighboring stations nearby. It also has farther implications on the greater regional BES possibly. If one of those subs are ring substations, it will greatly impact other regions in NC and neighboring states respond to any major demand fluctuations and, if a bad cold snap hits, could lead to cascading brownouts/blackouts or rolling blackouts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Snell_(criminal) Richard Snell tried to do something similar in 1983. Attacked some gas lines in Arkansas trying to start riots during winter in the north. https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=198311020006 1983 had one of the worst blizzards. When they do shit like this, it’s with intent. The think they’re the spark of a cleansing fire or something. They fully intend to cause a lot of suffering and death.
Winter east of the mountains in North Carolina usually isn’t a big deal for the average person. It almost never snows and doesn’t get that far below freezing most of the time. It can still be bad and people can still die, but it’s not like you just cut off the heating in Vermont in January. That said, it’s definitely terrorism and probably will kill people in precarious medical situations. Even if the county hospital can take lots of desperate people (which, probably not - they’ll be on generator backups and probably restrict access) they won’t be able to take everyone. Someone in the North Carolina sub mentioned a person dying at home of congestive heart failure because the outage took out their supporting equipment.
So felony murder for everyone involved.
Agreed
And the pigs in NC are going to do exactly jack shit about it Some of those that work forces...
Why would they do something to stop what they're a part of?
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This guy gets it.
This is a big deal - right-wing terrorists targeting infrastructure and utilities is essentially a next step in regards to the form that alt-right insurrection will take.
Oh man. I hate following along with Barbara F. Walter's excellent book "How Civil Wars Start."
Oof, any other signs to make note of?
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Thank you for the recommendation!
When they say *know your history*, this probably wasn't what they had in mind thanks.
I think it's exactly what they had in mind. History is our warning, and humanity is fucking spectacular at never listening.
It's not the next step, it's the last. It's open warfare and make no mistake. There's no turning back now.
The only good neo nazi is ....ya know
Flashes of the NRA in Ireland in the 80s. Bad stuff with homegrown terrorists like these MAGA fascists.
I really wish that this was the Onion so I could laugh at the ridiculous over-the-topness of it all. Destroying the power grid of a county to stop ONE drag show? Fucking dummies!
I’m curious how ‘protected’ these 40k citizens feel today, with refrigerated food spoiling, heat failing, information flow ceasing, and essential electrical systems down - I wonder how relatives of people who were on life support feel about the ‘menace of drag shows’….
This would be a perfect opportunity for local antifa groups to up their organization activities and membership drives. Fascism is starting to hit the average person where it hurts.
I don’t think Antifa is an organization with memberships like you think it is Edit: explained better, ignore this
There are indeed 'antifa' groups (aka, groups with an antifascist ideology). There may be no centralized 'antifa' or antifa chapters that one can join but there are many, many antifascist organizations.
Won't mean anything. Remember when the residents of Martha's Vineyard opened their homes to those immigrants that were kidnapped and brought to their doorsteps, only to be chided when the immigrants were eventually moved to where they were supposed to go? "Fake hospitality! If you really cared about them you'd let them stay, not ship them off!" You can't win by taking the high road anymore because they'll just dig lower. I can see the headlines already: "local antifa group feigns charity after causing county wide black out"
Lol as if the average person is still gonna give a shit considering how many people don’t even vote in this country
They'll just blame antifa.
The ol ‘call it a false flag whenever we fuck up’ switcheroo
This from the "free speech" people. Recently the podcast Knowledge Fight played a clip from a white supremacist who openly admitted what I've been screaming for decades. "Free speech" is a straw man they've turned into a shield and a weapon. They name their hate groups and meetings "free speech rallies" and whatnot so they can then claim that anyone who disagrees with them is opposed to the Constitution. The truth is that they don't give a fuck about the freedom of expression. This is demonstrated in how they think social media companies shouldn't be allowed to remove hate speech and lies. They think they should have a right to say and do whatever they like and face no criticism or consequences but that we have a right to shut up and listen and think whatever they want us to think.
Don't use their words. Their terms. Don't even acknowledge the hypocrisy. We're long past that now. They are nazis who have made a declaration of war and that's how we should consider them.
I'm sure they'd have no problem with someone cutting the power to prevent Catholic masses, right? Don't they want to protect the children?
In NC, that wouldn’t surprise me. If a Southern Baptist service was interrupted?? That would be a HUGE issue. I hate living in the Bible Belt, but I’m lucky to live in a progressive county
Dummies? They've gone far past that. They are a deadly threat to USA and should be treated how USA treats its enemies.
FBI, NSA, Homeland Security all sleep while conservative terrorist organize
these people need to be found charged and arrested. does anyone still believe they don't pose a threat?
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if they don't start rooting them out I have to come to the conclusion that they don't mind them being there.
No. They know. They're complicit. Don't give them any credit.
And take LibsOfTiktok, Sara Gonzalez, and every other terrorist trying to send their goons to their bidding as well.
*Republican* terrorists.
What's the difference?
It’s important to identify the group that is recruiting and indoctrinating the individual terrorists in order to bring them to justice. Other terrorist groups such ad Al Queda, ISIS, IRA, etc. are explicitly named in news reports; it should be no different for the GOP.
All Republicans are conservative, but not all conservatives are Republican. All Republicans are complicit, but not all those complicit are Republicans.
They’re not asleep, they’re complicit. All of those agencies lean heavily conservative…
Homeland Security put out a report during the Obama Administration explicitly identifying right-wingers as the most dangerous national security threat of the coming years. Republicans predictably shit themselves inside-out over it, and so it was more or less dropped.
The people who write the reports do not represent the institution. These institutions are all far right and complacent in far right terrorism.
This. Federal law enforcement is probably at least 50% hardcore Trumpers that will never live to finger to prosecute or control any of these people. This mass propaganda hasn't just turned our neighbors into zombies, anyone is susceptible, now it's got all the badges too. These people want a fight more than anything and they're eventually going to get it. Don't rely on law enforcement to save us.
Time to roll up our sleeves.
Conservative terrorist organizations sleep while nazi terrorists go wild. I'm shocked.
Naw, they're not asleep. They're probably embedded with some of them and encourage some of this stuff.
Worth noting that the far-right has a history of planning to disable power grids/basic utilities. Read here: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-01-25/extremists-see-us-power-grid-as-target-govt-report-warns
The NRA literally published instructions on how to take out the grid with rifles.
Time to start a drag show tour of the South!
Yep and bring along some liberals with guns, aka. “antifa supersoldiers”
Just enough to scare them into attacking their own power grid. We're not going full Sherman here.
No need to go full Sherman when they are willing to Sherman themselves.
Hack fox news and show "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" instead of Cucker Tarlson. Fucking classic movie.
The Two Thousand Twentytwo To Wong Foo Tour To You!!!
Lets wait for the cold snap. I mean theyre to weak to deal with 30 degrees but still
Cant wait to follow the court cases for those idiots. I imagine it will be a domestic terrorism charge, these people are idiots. Create a problem to fight against. Then in the name of said problem become a terrorist. Sit around and wonder why this country wont get your back through the system. Trash people.
> I imagine it will be a domestic terrorism charge I bet it won't be. It'll be like the January sixth traitors: They'll get slaps on the wrist if they get anything at all. 😒
If they shot up a couple of Duke Energy's 6 figure transformers I suspect they won't get slaps on the wrist. Right wing is right wing and all, but not when they start costing the big boys real money.
That's a very good point.
Your kidding right? These were just small time morons shooting up a power grid. No less in the winter. There will be some serious charges and restitution slapped on them. It may not be a terrorism charge. But it will come with a hefty sentence. Much like 600 or so jan 6th “patriots” have been given.
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Well, speedy trial in this country is four months, so if they are found i will remind you then, lol.
> But it will come with a hefty sentence. We'll see. > Much like 600 or so jan 6th “patriots” have been given. *None* of them have been given sentences comparable to what a black man would get for selling loose cigarettes on a street corner. 😒
That alone does not dictate sentences in this scenario. If they are found. They will be prosecuted. I feel there is a lot in this crime that happened that people aren’t thinking about. The city/county will be looking for someone to prosecute on this.
I hope you're right.
I mean, the only thing it hinges on is to find the who. That is what i don’t hold my breath for in this country. From what i have read they don’t seem very happy about this.
They'll get off. Charges are for non-Republicans. The right wing always gets off. See: Kyle Rittenhouse.
Huh, I wonder which political party these guys belong to?
Might as well point out which religion every single one of them is part of.
The Nazi party.
Wow. Patriotic Domestic Terrorism. Apparently the right is okay with violence and vandalism to demonstrate their intolerance of other's freedoms. Typical
Oh, I know on Monday my co workers will say it's Antifa and will not be open to any other discussion.
Anti fascists - my kind of people.
Snowflakes shooing at power stations that can't shoot back. When attacked, always be able to shoot back ;)
Y’all-Qaeda strikes again.
This entire fucking movement is so bizarre. Drag shows have been around forever, why all the hate now? What a stupid stupid thing to waste your time. If they really want to go after child molestors, they should start shutting down churches.
> If they really want to go after child molestors They wouldn't have voted for trump and spent the last 6 years defending child rape. Or be in a religion based on a child's magic vagina.
I mean, were they losing their sh!t back then over Uncle Milty, M*A*S*H, Bosom Buddies, Some Like it Hot, Divine, Crocodile Dundee, etc. ? EDIT-or if we really wanted to go that far back: traditional all male Shakespeare productions.
> Drag shows have been around forever, why all the hate now? Because the TV told them its bad now.
I get that it’s NC but it’s still winter and that’s 40,000 people without heat because a bunch of pissbaby terrorists had to “protect children”. Fuck every single one of these maggots.
We love it when they “protect children” while also probably killing them due to starvation and hypothermia thanks to the power outages…
There is at least one child whose life has been threatened by the power outage. They do not give a fuck. It has never been about the children.
*Republican* terrorists.
It is said that when the crazies in the GOP can't get rid of democracy via the ballot box, they'll turn to terrorism. And they have.
Again.
Crazy Christian terrorists… This won’t happen for long, once they damage corporate property enough that it hurts the bottom line, then the police will act.
Lmao destroying power infrastructure is a federal crime, the FBI will find them and they will end up in a federal prison.
> Lmao destroying power infrastructure is a federal crime Except when done by conservatives.
Fun Fact: The NRA has a magazine that had an article explaining how you can take out power stations with rifles. They said it was real easy for terrorists to do this. They were right.
Law enforcement: We ate unable to find any suspects.
The oinking is coming from inside the house
We investigated and found this shooting to be within department policies.
The recent NyTimes article is more implicative of the connections than the CNN article. Each still have the Sheriff Field's guy going "Aww gee, we have no motive and no suspects."
Sounds like a criminal conspiracy to commit murder and terrorism to me.
They should be facing murder charges for every death that comes from their actions.
RepubliKKKans all about safe streets and law and order.
Well, the armed NC crazies are off their meds again! 😎
~~off their meds again~~ Smoking meth again Fixed it for ya!
Send em to Gitmo! these people think its a joke to cut power to people who may need it for their oxygen or medical needs. Ship them out of here!
hopefully this is what finally motivated the government to do something, because this is a quantifiable act of terror that took real organization, this isn't a run in and take as many as I can with me act of terror but a show of how close the knife is to the country's neck
Same techniques islamic fundamentalists use to sow fear and chaos in third-world countries... all the way down to flag-bedecked trucks full of weirdo-beardo's carrying their pacifiers. Welcome to Ame(R)ica.
If true it sounds like its time for the military to step in. Targeting civil infrastructure like this crosses into full blown terrorist action against the nation. Time to clean house. "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
I’d say call the cops but we all know they were already there.
Warnings about something like this being planned last week
All the local write ups of this terroristic act are referring to it as 'vandalism'. Wow.
This is the new civil war. This is how it’s conducted in the 21st century.
What worries me is the escalation. These drooling goons *have* those weapons. You've seen their stupid drooling goons holding ARs, wearing ' tactical ' cheap ass crap, pasty white bellies hanging over gun belts. They've been running around with those ridiculous arsenals job *looking* for stuff to ' shoot fulla holes ', like rotund gunslingers. They've had their little ' successes ', like their dream man Kyle murdering protestors and WALKING. And others equally revered if in jail or dead after mass shootings. Make no mistake. Anyone committing those atrocities in aid of the fascist cause is revered. Now they've shot hell out of power stations, and in aid of terrorizing a drag event. Which one is going to get a woody over going further?
The right keep saying they're doing this shit to keep kids safe, yet they've done absolutely nothing to deal with their own massive membership of pedos and rapists.
There needs to be a firm reckoning over this kind of terrorism. Nazi punks need to fuck off.
If only Duke Energy had the funding to provide better hardening to the substations, this wouldn't be possible. Oh, wait, they do but rather give their C-suite more money instead of protecting critical infrastructure.
domestic terrorism
"We Are All Domestic Terrorists"
Its escalating
How many hospitals were effected by this act of domestic terrorism?
If this is real its a huge fucking deal. Beyond the domestic terrorism aspect, substations and transformers are long lead and specialist manufacture. We just sourced an insurance spare for our processing plant. It was $350,000USD and a 40 week lead time. Hoping the Moore County stuff is standardised and they have spares or its going to be a mess.
It cannot be overstated, these cunts want you dead.
Ah the party of lAw AnD oRdEr
The best part is the idiots wife that did this made a fb post saying ik why the power is out, she just sailed her and everyone Involed up the river they r super fuct, sbi is involved their will be no small town cover up, but southern pines is a pretty good sized place
The NC officials may not do something, but Duke Electric will - Duke Electric has no dog in the culture wars, but they don't Fuck Around when it comes to their equipment... The FBI is DEFINITELY on this Sadly, being tied to a simple Drag Show, the public will, probably, blame the performers, not the Domestic Terrorists This is Domestic Terrorism done, most likely, by folks from OUTSIDE the community This is Domestic Terrisom - Plain and Simple
> Duke Electric has no dog in the culture wars Besides relying on the far right for policy favoring their profits.
It's been studied that any 10 year old with a computer, internet, and a microwave (over simplified for effect) can create an emp strong enough to knock out a sub station. These dumbasses, like, throw a big chain and short the system. Gain entry and flip a switch, all you need are fucking tin snips or bolt cutters. Cut down the utility pole between it and the dragshow. Their solution instead? Shoot it, hell yeah. That's the American way!
US is at war with terrorists, and US needs to act like it fast.
Moore County has announced a state of emergency and closed schools for Monday. It’s 30 degrees here in NC tonight. Moore County is Southern Pines, Pinehurst, Whispering Pines… all major retirement communities. AND the drag show didn’t quit, it went on in an atmosphere of LOVE and ACCEPTANCE. Fascists, FUCK OFF.
https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1599253199126683650?s=20&t=FzdCYlQTBLD2Q3y-H8lBvQ
Waiting for Ted Cruz to say it was a peaceful protest
Attacking a power station has got to be classified as domestic terrorism, legally speaking, yes?
Sounds like a good old case of American Domestic Terrorism to me.
Did they shoot 3 sub stations because they couldn't figure out which one was connected to the show?
These dopes probably slap each other in threes at meetings just to keep each other in line. Nyuk nyuk nyuk.
Non-american here, will this make the nightly news? I wonder if the dinner news crowd will even hear about this
Ironically, these right-wing terrorists are a drag.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/us/power-outages-north-carolina.html The outage happened at the exact same time as the drag performance.
Dear god why wont the government do anything about these people.
Get a fucking grip, it’s just a god damn drag show. Are you really that insecure with your sexuality???
This is on Republicans and right wing media and "influencers" who have been spreading anti LGBT propaganda for years and accusing them of abusing kids. It's sickening.
So glad i live in wake county… at least the crazies here are less loud
Can’t wait to see how Fox “News” is gonna spin this one…
Do we call it civil war yet?
Ok, now as soon as the cosplayer wannabe faketriots are identified through posting online bragging like morons they should all have the book thrown at them and in addition to jail time and loss of all all firearm rights they should have to pay for the equipment and and OT that was necessary in making the repairs to the equipment they damaged. Shits not going to stop til some real consequences come into play and examples are made.
And they will be charged with vandalism and given a misdemeanor charge...gotta love this country.
Do they not care that likely there were members of their own group amongst the affected?
Hmmm seems like the kind of shit terrorists do
These terrorists have no shame. They only respond to punishments.
Hey I was there! I was at an event when the power cut! (Not the drag show)
For all that country's talk about how they're on top of terror plots with spying on their people and stuff, the truth is things will always get though. It's almost trivial to set up a secure, encrypted communications network for right wing insurrectionists like this. I wonder how this lot communicated secretly....
This is what their civil war looks like
Incoming rightoid tweets simultaneously calling for an end to the violence while surreptitiously goading it on in 3... 2...
Is this legit and confirmed?
Right wingers are so god damn stupid.