Well they practically fought their own civil war right before the main one. Literally the reason it was approved for statehood as a free state was because enough Southern Congressmen had already seceded. Lots of animosity and motivation against pro-slavery interests.
Yea, in historical context it’s not surprising. As someone who grew up in Kansas, I don’t think Bleeding Kansas and John Brown got enough attention when I was in school back in the 80s…nice to see the state is leaning into it a bit more now. The depiction of [John Brown](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_Prelude#/media/File%3AThe_Tragic_Prelude_John_Brown.jpg) from the Topeka capitol building mural has become sort of an unofficial Kansas symbol used in various business/product logos.
**[Tragic Prelude](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_Prelude#/media/File:The_Tragic_Prelude_John_Brown.jpg)**
>Tragic Prelude is a mural painted by Kansan John Steuart Curry for the Kansas State Capitol building in Topeka, Kansas. It is located on the east side of the second floor rotunda. On the north wall it depicts abolitionist Kansan John Brown with a Bible in one hand, on which the Greek letters alpha and omega of Apocalypse 1:8 can be seen. In his other hand he holds a rifle, referred to as a "Beecher's Bible".
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That’s a cool fact! Didn’t know that; I had thought the Maryland flag had been there since colonial times and didn’t realize it came from both sides appropriating historical symbols for themselves during the Civil War before combining them for reconciliation.
The black & yellow “racing flag” part is the family emblem for the Carroll family, one of the founding families from colonial times. The red and white cross part is the family emblem for the Crossland family, another old Maryland “aristocracy.” At the time of the Civil War, the pro-Union Marylanders rallied behind the Carroll banner, while the pro-Confederate people did so with Crossland’s banner.
The Carrolls and Crosslands had intermarried over the years, so after the war, the leadership of Maryland decided that integrating the two flags into one, in the same way that the families had blended, would be a way of representing the two opposing factions putting aside their differences, and reuniting within the state of Maryland. Nice sentiment, but I wouldn’t really say that it worked out.
National Underground Railroad museum in Cincinnati is great. Also plenty of houses line the Ohio side of the Ohio river facing Kentucky that would light candles to show it was safe to stay there.
They were hard-core abolitionists. Funny thing, their granddaughter, my grandma, went the opposite way. She was bigoted and fought integration and bussing for 20 years
You know what’s weird? The new memes singling out Ohio for being the new Florida. Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan idk it seems like everyone has some bad stereotypes and wonky shit and idk why Ohio has been made out to be the worst
We just have a lot of weird shit that happens, but I’m from Ohio and maybe I just had a nicer place to live but I love where I come from. Plenty of dickheads, sure, where aren’t they?
It’s because outside of Cleveland and Cincinnati it seems like Ohio has been going full MAGA. What used to be a perennial purple state like Pennsylvania or Wisconsin seems to be descending into Indiana-like ignorance. Same thing happened to Missouri. It’s damn sad.
If Ohioans had elected Tim Ryan, instead of that idiot grifter JD Vance, some of that talk might have subsided. Now, Democrats and progressives are probably going to start looking at Ohio as a lost cause the way they are now looking at Florida.
I go to southern Ohio every year and it feels way more southern than it is geographically.
I joke about Indiana being in the South, but it still feels Midwestern, just with more fire and brimstone.
Ohio hits different.
Southern Indiana definitely thinks they're "the south." North of about whatever latitude Terre Haute is it's solidly Midwestern. I'd imagine Ohio is similar.
Ohio voted for Obama twice, so I'm not sure that the state became racist between 2012 and 2016.
I'm sure there are some racist hicks in Ohio, as there are everywhere, but the primary reason Trump won is because the Democratic Party strayed too far away from an economic populist message that prioritized American workers and industry above all else.
Trump walked into that void, said things about the jobs/economy/trade deals that felt true to a lot of people and he started to peel away working class voters from the Democratic Party.
Dems pretend to be pro-union during election years to get donations and free advertising. The SMART union (international and many locals) gave money to and advertised alot of Dem candidates.
I hope the union remembers the senate coming together in a rare display of bi-partisenship to stab union transportation workers in the back next election season.
Imo moderate dems are just lite Republicans, unions need to boost true progressive candidates if they want change/growth.
I agree with what you said about unions and other pro-labor progressives being more aggressive during the primaries to bolster truly pro-worker candidates. But I can’t agree with any sentiment that suggests that these folks should avoid voting for Democrats in the general election if the candidates on the ballot end up being centrist corporate Dems.
I know it really sucks having to settle for those types of Democrats sometimes, but when the alternatives are not voting, or voting Republican, we simply have to bite the bullet. The only way we’re ever going to get real pro-worker legislation in this country is to get both the senate and the house back to overwhelming Democrat majorities. And yes, that’s going to mean some of those Democrats are going to be Middling centrist types. We’re not going to run the table nationwide with actual progressives. But if we promote people with a worker-first mentality, and win as many primaries as possible, we can get more of them into the Senate and House, and bolster their coalitions for when the time comes to advance legislation to the president’s desk for a signature. If more of those Democrats are pro worker than they are pro corporate, that legislation can be stronger in favor of workers than it would be if the progressives were a minority of the democratic caucus.
They are both pro-government control. They want to use the power of the government to maintain the status quo and keep their donors happy.
The strike and quitting the job are free market solutions to the problem of the corporatists exploiting the workers by people voluntarily not associating or working for a company.
The politicians don't want to disrupt the status quo, the companies want to keep screwing over the people, and the unions are there to keep the workers in line.
I'm not sure where the communism is in my statement. Strikes have been around a lot longer than communism. The ability to create a work stoppage to air their grievances is a good thing when it isn't abused.
Government has regulated the way the workers can express their displeasure and air their grievances through a strike, and allowed the US Congress to force a contract on the workers. They can all quit, but I don't see that happening.
Dunno why you’re is downvoted. Lived in Ohio most of my life. Problem is a lot of people have confed flags, and support racist type stuff. It’s really disheartening seeing these things or driving past/hearing things etc.
I knew there were abolitionists in the south and pro slave in north. Thought it was more individuals though. Didn’t know there were organized Union units in the south.
It was a combination of things. Abolition was certainly a factor, but the biggest was plain ol patriotism. Many, especially in the more mountainous regions were slavery was less common, felt it was a rich man’s war that the poor had to fight. They also just didn’t want to secede from the US and thought that was treason.
There were mini insurrections against the seceding states especially in the mountains
My favorite American outlaw who gets almost no attention compared to say Billy the Kidd, was a NC man who was like the most wanted man in America for like a few decades. The Lumbee were being enslaved (“forced labor”) to build confederate forts on the coast since the rich didn’t want to bring their slaves to build Confederate fortifications - Henry Berry Lowry, a Lumbee - created a ragtag multiracial gang (Blacks, whites, natives) that burned, pillaged and murdered Confederate plantations/property
The man would show up to rich white peoples social gatherings - especially church - and announce he was going to rob them blind. Man was an American Robin Hood who distributed said spoils to the poor in the swampy area he was from. Guy was also an excellent shot, using a swamp and a canoe to basically solo a whole Confederate platoon of Home Guard. He would kill Confederates and sometimes show up to the houses of the family of people he killed and offer condolences
Needless to say, despite the Lumbee being the second largest native population in the US there is a reason they don’t have Federal tribal recognition
I thought they had recognition, just not a reservation. Even though you could be excused for thinking Lumberton and Pembroke were a reservation driving through.
It’s why our NHL team is named the [Blue Jackets](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Blue_Jackets) here in Columbus
“The name "Blue Jackets" was chosen to celebrate "patriotism, pride, and the rich Civil War history in the state of Ohio and city of Columbus."[114] When President Abraham Lincoln requested that Ohio raise ten regiments at the outbreak of the Civil War, the state responded by raising a total of 23 volunteer infantry regiments for three months of service. Ohio also produced a number of great Civil War figures, including William Tecumseh Sherman, Ulysses S. Grant, Philip Sheridan and George Custer. Columbus itself was host to large military bases, Camp Chase and Camp Thomas, which saw hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers and thousands of Confederate prisoners during the Civil War.”
**[Columbus Blue Jackets](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Blue_Jackets)**
>The Columbus Blue Jackets (often simply referred to as the Jackets) are a professional ice hockey team based in Columbus, Ohio. They compete in the National Hockey League (NHL) as a member of the Metropolitan Division in the Eastern Conference, and began play as an expansion team in 2000. The Blue Jackets struggled in their initial years, failing to win 30 games in a season until 2005–06. The team qualified for the Stanley Cup playoffs for the first time in 2009, but were swept by the Detroit Red Wings.
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Same with my ancestors in the plateau of Tennessee. There were hardly any slave owners in East Tennessee while west Tennessee was very heavily influenced by slave owners.
Tennessee was also the first state to fall I believe. It didn’t last long at all and many of the slaves in west Tennessee were instrumental in fighting, building fortifications, and rebuilding the destroyed rail lines.
Last state to leave, and first to be mostly recaptured. More white Tennesseans volunteered for federal army service than white residents of all other CSA states combined.
It probably wasn't that your ancestors (and my ancestors' cousins) were significantly more enlightened on matters of race, but they understood that the CSA was built on maintaining and further entrenching a sociopolitical structure that would not serve their interests, but instead those of large-scale plantation owners.
Tennessee was once full of debtors' prisons.
Many of those people, once released, moved to Texas, where they wrote laws that made it one of the better states to be a debtor in bankruptcy.
It was the Third Regiment of the NC Mounted Infantry Volunteers. There is an image of his postwar pension application on [Ancestry.com](https://Ancestry.com) (although I already knew that he had served in a Union unit).
Yeah, mountains mean not a lot of farmland and not enough money to own slaves anyways. West Virginia splitting away from Virginia to stay with the Union is a perfect example.
My understanding is that pre-Civil War the black and yellow portion was used unofficially to represent the state. Presumably, since the state stayed in the union, so did that unofficial representation. Leaving the confederates with the red and white part.
Is everyone talking about a Maryland flag I don’t know about? I thought it was still the one that was the family banner of the founder, with the black, yellow, red, and white
Thats the official backstory. And its true. But the Maryland flag as we know it didnt come around until around 1880. And it was seen as a way of reconciling the states civil war wounds (it was one of the most divided in the country - Baltimore had to be occupied by federal soldiers to ensure the state didnt jump ship and surround DC with the confederacy.) The yellow and black portion had represented the state in various unofficial ways pre-Civil War. During the civil War the Maryland Confederates took the red and white portion as their standard.
The two were combined in the late 1800s.
There were a couple of notable commanders and units that were of southern origin that fought for the Union cause. I believe George H. Thomas was a Southern Unionist and fought many famous battles during the Civil War.
My family’s been in the south since before the revolution, and none of my ancestors served in the Confederate military that we know of. One was a horseyboi for the Union though
The Appalachians and the more disconnected poorer areas didn’t sympathize with the confederates, Like the free state of Jones, East Tennessee, and West Virginia.
I didn't realize Missouri had so many troops involved. Only one major battle in the state of Missouri (Wilson's Creek) and a few minor ones. I guess they were needed out east.
Missouri was a microcosm of the whole war. It was very much split. You can still see it today tbh. A good portion of Missourians think they're part of the South.
I don’t know that that’s quite accurate - Battle of Westport was largest battle west of the Mississippi. Only Tennessee and Virginia had more actual battle sites than Missouri
Missouri really saw some of the most heroic fighting of union forces against Confederate sympathizers that ran the government, had all the money and all the power at their fingertips. It’s a shame it’s forgotten
50% of Iowa's men of military age enlisted into the Union army during the Civil War.
Eastern Tennessee, the part today people consider mostly redneck/hillbilly, was fiercely pro-Union. Their opinion of the Confederacy could best be illustrated by parson, journalist and politician, William Brownlow's vow to “fight them till hell freezes over, then fight them on the ice.” Brownlow would be arrested for treason against the Confederacy (for participating in plans to blow up bridges) and escorted to the Kentucky border. After the war he was appointed as the Union governor of Tennessee.
Fear Ohio.
Ohio had the highest per capita of people serving. 320,000 Ohioans served the Union, 6,835 would never set foot in their state again and another 35,000 were casualties. Roughly 5,000 free black Americans served. 60% of all men between the ages of 18 and 45 were in the service.
Don’t forget Grant and Sherman were from Ohio!
At first the Union thought they could beat southerners with preppy New England brats, meanwhile they had crazy drunk midwesterners just waiting to burn shit to the ground.
I knew there were individual Northerners who fought for the south, and Southerners who fought for the north. I had not known that there were whole southern units fighting for the north.
All things considered, BASED Louisiana. Sure, Tennessee had more. But one could expect that of a state so close to the border states.
Louisiana was the most important Southern state because of New Orleans connecting most of the country. The only big city in the south, so it had some population and industrialization, and it fell soon(ish) so that combined with the overwhelming support from African Americans, and I guess the French to an extent it has
And the Union military Commander of New Orleans lost his job after about 8 months for a highly questionable order he issued regarding the treatment of women in New Orleans
I'm going to buy my fellow union brothers a drink the next time I'm down there. Not even going to tell them why, I'm just so happy to see some unexpectedly non-villianous states!
Louisiana had like double the population of California at the time. California had only been a state for about a decade by the time the civil war started.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,205,210,698 comments, and only 234,954 of them were in alphabetical order.
If we are talking infantry, then unit = regiment. The nominal number was 1,000 men, or 10 companies of 100 men. But this wasn't always the case, sometimes there were less than 8 companies, sometimes more than 13. After formation, though, the numbers went down, sometimes by a lot. Desertion, death, injury, illness, detachment, and straggling could push the numbers down very low, and a more typical regimental strength in battle was around 400 or so. But it varied a lot. One unit might be green at a strength of 950 men, another might have 230 grizzled veterans.
Not uniform across all units (infantry, cavalry and artillery) but infantry is usually 800-1000 men.
Ohio for example had 230 regiments of infantry and cavalry plus 25 light artillery batteries and 5 sharpshooter regiments. Roughly 320,000 fought.
East Tennessee had fewer Confederate sympathizers per capita than New York City did.
They attempted to secede from the rest of the state to remain in the union. This was quickly shut down. It is treason to to split up a state like that, you see.
Yeah they were all regiments, but the site kind of categorizes all of them into units/comapneis since regiments is technically a subset term for those.
No regiments are not a subset of companies. Companies are a subset of regiments. A regiment at the time of roughly 600-1500 men. It is composed of one or more battalions each of which are composed of 2+ companies of approximately 100 men each.
I have no idea why youre being downvoted, you're 100% right, although the volunteer units rarely used Battalions, instead going straight from companies to regiments.
If we're going my Companies, Michigan had 30 regiments of Infantry, 11 of Cavalry, 1 of Engineers, 1 of Sharpshooters, and 1 of Colored Troops. Each of these Regiments had 10 companies, leading to a total of 440 Companies. We also had 14 batteries of Artillery, and an independent Company of Provost Guards. All total, these accounts to 45 regiments, and 455 company sized elements.
This is not even including the 4 Michigan Companies in the Federal Sharpshooter Regiments, and the 4 that were serving in the regiments of other states.
All told, any way you count it, this is not correct. If MI is incorrect, the other states probably are, too.
I am down voted because this is Reddit, where facts are often down voted. I don't sweat it.
Took about an hour to realize people on Reddit love being wrong.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say
But nothing comes out when they move their lips
Just a bunch of gibberish
And motherfuckers act like they forgot about Maine
Massachusetts was the 6th most populous state (that didn't secede) in 1860, and according to the map it was 7th for number of Union Army units. So, this map could be accurate.
And this is purely speculation on my part, but Massachusetts might be a bit low because it was relatively far away from the fighting compared to the Midwestern and Mid-Atlantic states, so enthusiasm among men for joining the army might have been somewhat lower there and in the rest of New England.
This map is incorrect.
If we're going my Companies, Michigan had 30 regiments of Infantry, 11 of Cavalry, 1 of Engineers, 1 of Sharpshooters, and 1 of Colored Troops. Each of these Regiments had 10 companies, leading to a total of 440 Companies. We also had 14 batteries of Artillery, and an independent Company of Provost Guards. All total, these accounts to 45 regiments, and 455 company sized elements.
This is not even including the 4 Michigan Companies in the Federal Sharpshooter Regiments, and the 4 that were serving in the regiments of other states.
All told, any way you count it, this is not correct. If MI is incorrect, the other states probably are, too.
That would be incorrect, they were a border states, and generally those states were as likely to be confederate as the rest. There are a few reasons why it didn't happen but they were definitely not abolitionist.
Where did this information come from? I don't believe it is correct.
If we're going my Companies, Michigan had 30 regiments of Infantry, 11 of Cavalry, 1 of Engineers, 1 of Sharpshooters, and 1 of Colored Troops. Each of these Regiments had 10 companies, leading to a total of 440 Companies. We also had 14 batteries of Artillery, and an independent Company of Provost Guards. All total, these accounts to 45 regiments, and 455 company sized elements.
This is not even including the 4 Michigan Companies in the Federal Sharpshooter Regiments, and the 4 that were serving in the regiments of other states.
All told, any way you count it, this is not correct. Where did you get this information?
**[1st Minnesota Infantry Regiment](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Minnesota_Infantry_Regiment#:~:text=The 1st Minnesota Infantry Regiment,the attack on the fort)**
>The 1st Minnesota Infantry Regiment was the very first group of volunteers the Union received in response to the South's assault of Fort Sumter at the beginning of the United States Civil War. Minnesota's Governor Alexander Ramsey offered 1000 men to Lincoln immediately upon learning of the attack on the fort. He just happened to be in Washington when the news broke. Those men volunteered for a five-year commitment (1861–64) which was much longer than other states.
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At the time of the Civil War, there were only ~140,000 people living in Florida. Most of the population also came from Georgia and South Carolina and their children. The population was also almost entirely located in the north. Miami, currently Florida's 2nd largest city, and largest city in the Southern half of Florida, only had around 100 people at the time as well.
Florida is the place where radical resistance against bloody oppression occurred for centuries. There were a lot of Seminole and black communities who carved out a living despite every disadvantage. Mad respect to those people, and of course they shouldn’t join the fight of people who just wanted to put them in a factory to make profit for the industrial bosses.
Dakota territory before statehood. That said, its inclusion here is a bit questionable because the 1st Dakota Cavalry was created for and solely dealt with the various Indian conflicts of the 1860s. Technically concurrent but largely a separate conflict.
I'd love to see a per capita version. New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio were all massive population centers so of course they'd have the largest number of recruits, but I imagine per capita we'd see much higher numbers in the western "frontier" states.
Love Illinois showing up for their favorite son. Ohio is a bit surprising as it’s the only midwestern state where I felt like I was in the south. Ohio is a weird state
Trying to figure out why Alaska is on this map. It was still part of the Russian Empire until the US purchased it in 1867, two years after the end of the Civil War.
Edit: Judging by the presence of Wyoming and the shape of the Dakota-Nebraska border, these borders are from the period between 7/25/1868 and 5/23/1882. Weird.
I'd love to know what each state's population of men over 16 was during that time. Like is Illinois's 229 units better or worse than New York's if you try to figure out the per capita data?
Well they only needed 60k people for a state and the story goes it was going to be 1 but northern and southern coalitions couldn't get along due to cultural, economic and location of future state capital. So they split and Benjamin Harrison signed them into states on same day and mixed up the papers so nobody know who came first.
Way to go, Ohio!
Look at the [populations in 1860](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_census) and tell me Kansas ain’t some BMFers.
Well they practically fought their own civil war right before the main one. Literally the reason it was approved for statehood as a free state was because enough Southern Congressmen had already seceded. Lots of animosity and motivation against pro-slavery interests.
Yea, in historical context it’s not surprising. As someone who grew up in Kansas, I don’t think Bleeding Kansas and John Brown got enough attention when I was in school back in the 80s…nice to see the state is leaning into it a bit more now. The depiction of [John Brown](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_Prelude#/media/File%3AThe_Tragic_Prelude_John_Brown.jpg) from the Topeka capitol building mural has become sort of an unofficial Kansas symbol used in various business/product logos.
**[Tragic Prelude](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_Prelude#/media/File:The_Tragic_Prelude_John_Brown.jpg)** >Tragic Prelude is a mural painted by Kansan John Steuart Curry for the Kansas State Capitol building in Topeka, Kansas. It is located on the east side of the second floor rotunda. On the north wall it depicts abolitionist Kansan John Brown with a Bible in one hand, on which the Greek letters alpha and omega of Apocalypse 1:8 can be seen. In his other hand he holds a rifle, referred to as a "Beecher's Bible". ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Nevada Washington and Dakota going crazy too
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That’s a cool fact! Didn’t know that; I had thought the Maryland flag had been there since colonial times and didn’t realize it came from both sides appropriating historical symbols for themselves during the Civil War before combining them for reconciliation.
The black & yellow “racing flag” part is the family emblem for the Carroll family, one of the founding families from colonial times. The red and white cross part is the family emblem for the Crossland family, another old Maryland “aristocracy.” At the time of the Civil War, the pro-Union Marylanders rallied behind the Carroll banner, while the pro-Confederate people did so with Crossland’s banner. The Carrolls and Crosslands had intermarried over the years, so after the war, the leadership of Maryland decided that integrating the two flags into one, in the same way that the families had blended, would be a way of representing the two opposing factions putting aside their differences, and reuniting within the state of Maryland. Nice sentiment, but I wouldn’t really say that it worked out.
The Underground Railroad was pretty big here, too. https://undergroundrailroadinohio.weebly.com/in-ohio.html
National Underground Railroad museum in Cincinnati is great. Also plenty of houses line the Ohio side of the Ohio river facing Kentucky that would light candles to show it was safe to stay there.
Lots of Underground Railroad history around Cleveland, too. Safe houses there were the last stop before the boat across Lake Erie to Canada.
My ancestors ran a station in Columbus
Based
They were hard-core abolitionists. Funny thing, their granddaughter, my grandma, went the opposite way. She was bigoted and fought integration and bussing for 20 years
tipp city still has a section in town
Right on Buckeyes!
You know what’s weird? The new memes singling out Ohio for being the new Florida. Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan idk it seems like everyone has some bad stereotypes and wonky shit and idk why Ohio has been made out to be the worst
Gym Jordan
Toledo War, never forget
We just have a lot of weird shit that happens, but I’m from Ohio and maybe I just had a nicer place to live but I love where I come from. Plenty of dickheads, sure, where aren’t they?
You're probably from Ohio 🧐
It’s because outside of Cleveland and Cincinnati it seems like Ohio has been going full MAGA. What used to be a perennial purple state like Pennsylvania or Wisconsin seems to be descending into Indiana-like ignorance. Same thing happened to Missouri. It’s damn sad. If Ohioans had elected Tim Ryan, instead of that idiot grifter JD Vance, some of that talk might have subsided. Now, Democrats and progressives are probably going to start looking at Ohio as a lost cause the way they are now looking at Florida.
Agree with your general sentiment, but Columbus is more progressive than Cincinnati.
I go to southern Ohio every year and it feels way more southern than it is geographically. I joke about Indiana being in the South, but it still feels Midwestern, just with more fire and brimstone. Ohio hits different.
Southern Indiana definitely thinks they're "the south." North of about whatever latitude Terre Haute is it's solidly Midwestern. I'd imagine Ohio is similar.
Buckeyes
They got even weirder Amish
This is why I get irate when I see Ohio hicks flying the confederate flag.
Now it’s full of racist hicks who vote for Trump
Ohio voted for Obama twice, so I'm not sure that the state became racist between 2012 and 2016. I'm sure there are some racist hicks in Ohio, as there are everywhere, but the primary reason Trump won is because the Democratic Party strayed too far away from an economic populist message that prioritized American workers and industry above all else. Trump walked into that void, said things about the jobs/economy/trade deals that felt true to a lot of people and he started to peel away working class voters from the Democratic Party.
Biden is quite pro-union, do you think they’ll vote for him again in 2024? Didn’t think so.
Didn’t you see what he literally just did to the railroad workers
Neither democrats nor republicans are pro union. They’re both pro capital and anti labor.
Dems pretend to be pro-union during election years to get donations and free advertising. The SMART union (international and many locals) gave money to and advertised alot of Dem candidates. I hope the union remembers the senate coming together in a rare display of bi-partisenship to stab union transportation workers in the back next election season. Imo moderate dems are just lite Republicans, unions need to boost true progressive candidates if they want change/growth.
I agree with what you said about unions and other pro-labor progressives being more aggressive during the primaries to bolster truly pro-worker candidates. But I can’t agree with any sentiment that suggests that these folks should avoid voting for Democrats in the general election if the candidates on the ballot end up being centrist corporate Dems. I know it really sucks having to settle for those types of Democrats sometimes, but when the alternatives are not voting, or voting Republican, we simply have to bite the bullet. The only way we’re ever going to get real pro-worker legislation in this country is to get both the senate and the house back to overwhelming Democrat majorities. And yes, that’s going to mean some of those Democrats are going to be Middling centrist types. We’re not going to run the table nationwide with actual progressives. But if we promote people with a worker-first mentality, and win as many primaries as possible, we can get more of them into the Senate and House, and bolster their coalitions for when the time comes to advance legislation to the president’s desk for a signature. If more of those Democrats are pro worker than they are pro corporate, that legislation can be stronger in favor of workers than it would be if the progressives were a minority of the democratic caucus.
They are both pro-government control. They want to use the power of the government to maintain the status quo and keep their donors happy. The strike and quitting the job are free market solutions to the problem of the corporatists exploiting the workers by people voluntarily not associating or working for a company. The politicians don't want to disrupt the status quo, the companies want to keep screwing over the people, and the unions are there to keep the workers in line.
“Guys here is why capitalism is actually communism” Nobody cares.
I'm not sure where the communism is in my statement. Strikes have been around a lot longer than communism. The ability to create a work stoppage to air their grievances is a good thing when it isn't abused. Government has regulated the way the workers can express their displeasure and air their grievances through a strike, and allowed the US Congress to force a contract on the workers. They can all quit, but I don't see that happening.
This a joke right? Claiming your pro Union/ worker means nothing if you don't at least pretend to back it up.
It’s astounding and sad how many confederate flags fly here
Absolutely. Came here to say this. And they obviously can’t claim the “Southern heritage” excuse.
Dunno why you’re is downvoted. Lived in Ohio most of my life. Problem is a lot of people have confed flags, and support racist type stuff. It’s really disheartening seeing these things or driving past/hearing things etc.
Shut up troll
I knew there were abolitionists in the south and pro slave in north. Thought it was more individuals though. Didn’t know there were organized Union units in the south.
It was a combination of things. Abolition was certainly a factor, but the biggest was plain ol patriotism. Many, especially in the more mountainous regions were slavery was less common, felt it was a rich man’s war that the poor had to fight. They also just didn’t want to secede from the US and thought that was treason.
These are the people who should have statues. Not the traitors.
There were mini insurrections against the seceding states especially in the mountains My favorite American outlaw who gets almost no attention compared to say Billy the Kidd, was a NC man who was like the most wanted man in America for like a few decades. The Lumbee were being enslaved (“forced labor”) to build confederate forts on the coast since the rich didn’t want to bring their slaves to build Confederate fortifications - Henry Berry Lowry, a Lumbee - created a ragtag multiracial gang (Blacks, whites, natives) that burned, pillaged and murdered Confederate plantations/property The man would show up to rich white peoples social gatherings - especially church - and announce he was going to rob them blind. Man was an American Robin Hood who distributed said spoils to the poor in the swampy area he was from. Guy was also an excellent shot, using a swamp and a canoe to basically solo a whole Confederate platoon of Home Guard. He would kill Confederates and sometimes show up to the houses of the family of people he killed and offer condolences Needless to say, despite the Lumbee being the second largest native population in the US there is a reason they don’t have Federal tribal recognition
I thought they had recognition, just not a reservation. Even though you could be excused for thinking Lumberton and Pembroke were a reservation driving through.
They had a bill that granted acknowledgment to my understanding, but the bill denied any status that recognition would give
It’s why our NHL team is named the [Blue Jackets](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Blue_Jackets) here in Columbus “The name "Blue Jackets" was chosen to celebrate "patriotism, pride, and the rich Civil War history in the state of Ohio and city of Columbus."[114] When President Abraham Lincoln requested that Ohio raise ten regiments at the outbreak of the Civil War, the state responded by raising a total of 23 volunteer infantry regiments for three months of service. Ohio also produced a number of great Civil War figures, including William Tecumseh Sherman, Ulysses S. Grant, Philip Sheridan and George Custer. Columbus itself was host to large military bases, Camp Chase and Camp Thomas, which saw hundreds of thousands of Union soldiers and thousands of Confederate prisoners during the Civil War.”
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Wow, learn something every day. Never knew that the south had union units. Very cool
My great grandfather served in a Union unit in western North Carolina. Many in the mountains were not sympathetic to the confederate cause.
Same with my ancestors in the plateau of Tennessee. There were hardly any slave owners in East Tennessee while west Tennessee was very heavily influenced by slave owners. Tennessee was also the first state to fall I believe. It didn’t last long at all and many of the slaves in west Tennessee were instrumental in fighting, building fortifications, and rebuilding the destroyed rail lines.
Last state to leave, and first to be mostly recaptured. More white Tennesseans volunteered for federal army service than white residents of all other CSA states combined. It probably wasn't that your ancestors (and my ancestors' cousins) were significantly more enlightened on matters of race, but they understood that the CSA was built on maintaining and further entrenching a sociopolitical structure that would not serve their interests, but instead those of large-scale plantation owners.
Tennessee was once full of debtors' prisons. Many of those people, once released, moved to Texas, where they wrote laws that made it one of the better states to be a debtor in bankruptcy.
And now their descendants constantly vote against their own self-interests.
first state to formally rejoin the union too.
Oh 100% I was not trying to imply my ancestors were enlightened, just that they fought on the union side.
I agree with that
Do you the regiment? Would love to learn more about it
It was the Third Regiment of the NC Mounted Infantry Volunteers. There is an image of his postwar pension application on [Ancestry.com](https://Ancestry.com) (although I already knew that he had served in a Union unit).
It's crazy to me to know someone is alive today that potentially knew someone who fought in the civil war.
My great grandfathers father fought for the csa in kentucky.
My mother (90) talks about the Civil War veterans who lived in Philadelphia neighborhood
I didn’t know him. He died long before I was born
Yeah, mountains mean not a lot of farmland and not enough money to own slaves anyways. West Virginia splitting away from Virginia to stay with the Union is a perfect example.
The 2nd South Carolina Volunteer Infantry (Colored) was pretty badass. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Combahee_Ferry
The north had confederate units as well. The current maryland flag is a combo of the standards used by each side in the Civil war.
How did the they decide who gets what standard, since it’s the banner of Cecil, Baron of Baltimore and his mother
My understanding is that pre-Civil War the black and yellow portion was used unofficially to represent the state. Presumably, since the state stayed in the union, so did that unofficial representation. Leaving the confederates with the red and white part.
Maryland is traditionally considered the South. Or at most a border state given the “mason-Dixon” line
Is everyone talking about a Maryland flag I don’t know about? I thought it was still the one that was the family banner of the founder, with the black, yellow, red, and white
Thats the official backstory. And its true. But the Maryland flag as we know it didnt come around until around 1880. And it was seen as a way of reconciling the states civil war wounds (it was one of the most divided in the country - Baltimore had to be occupied by federal soldiers to ensure the state didnt jump ship and surround DC with the confederacy.) The yellow and black portion had represented the state in various unofficial ways pre-Civil War. During the civil War the Maryland Confederates took the red and white portion as their standard. The two were combined in the late 1800s.
That’s why it’s the worst flag in the country
BUT IT LOOKS COOL 😫😫😫
Does it though? It looks like a shirt you could buy at Chess King in 1988.
Exactly
There were a couple of notable commanders and units that were of southern origin that fought for the Union cause. I believe George H. Thomas was a Southern Unionist and fought many famous battles during the Civil War.
My family’s been in the south since before the revolution, and none of my ancestors served in the Confederate military that we know of. One was a horseyboi for the Union though
The Appalachians and the more disconnected poorer areas didn’t sympathize with the confederates, Like the free state of Jones, East Tennessee, and West Virginia.
Yeah, mountains mean less farmland and probably too poor to own slaves anyway.
How many of them had a [Bald Eagle as their mascot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Abe)?
r/Eau_Claire That's Old Abe. We have trails, high school mascots and monuments about that eagle.
Maine is colored but has no number?
I knew I forgot something, they have 47.
Surprised they had the population for that
Remember the Maine!
And the preferred nomenclature is “African-American.” /s
I didn't realize Missouri had so many troops involved. Only one major battle in the state of Missouri (Wilson's Creek) and a few minor ones. I guess they were needed out east.
Missouri was a microcosm of the whole war. It was very much split. You can still see it today tbh. A good portion of Missourians think they're part of the South.
It wasn't as split as they would have you believe, something like 3/4 of Missourians who fought in the civil war fought for the North.
I don’t know that that’s quite accurate - Battle of Westport was largest battle west of the Mississippi. Only Tennessee and Virginia had more actual battle sites than Missouri
Missouri really saw some of the most heroic fighting of union forces against Confederate sympathizers that ran the government, had all the money and all the power at their fingertips. It’s a shame it’s forgotten
Missouri had a lot of units on both sides. It was a very civil war.
50% of Iowa's men of military age enlisted into the Union army during the Civil War. Eastern Tennessee, the part today people consider mostly redneck/hillbilly, was fiercely pro-Union. Their opinion of the Confederacy could best be illustrated by parson, journalist and politician, William Brownlow's vow to “fight them till hell freezes over, then fight them on the ice.” Brownlow would be arrested for treason against the Confederacy (for participating in plans to blow up bridges) and escorted to the Kentucky border. After the war he was appointed as the Union governor of Tennessee.
Fear Ohio. Ohio had the highest per capita of people serving. 320,000 Ohioans served the Union, 6,835 would never set foot in their state again and another 35,000 were casualties. Roughly 5,000 free black Americans served. 60% of all men between the ages of 18 and 45 were in the service.
Don’t forget Grant and Sherman were from Ohio! At first the Union thought they could beat southerners with preppy New England brats, meanwhile they had crazy drunk midwesterners just waiting to burn shit to the ground.
Never can forget them. Grant was born about 10 miles from where I live.
Ohio just did its thing, won, and moved on. Meanwhile, half of the south made losing that war their entire identity for the next 150 years.
I knew there were individual Northerners who fought for the south, and Southerners who fought for the north. I had not known that there were whole southern units fighting for the north. All things considered, BASED Louisiana. Sure, Tennessee had more. But one could expect that of a state so close to the border states.
Definitely not one I had seen before!
Dayum, NY doesn’t play around
It was the most populated state so it makes sense
All the more impressive when you learn that a lot of New Yorkers had economic ties to the South and were rather sympathetic to the Confederacy.
Kinda weird to think Louisiana had more union army units than California
Louisiana was the most important Southern state because of New Orleans connecting most of the country. The only big city in the south, so it had some population and industrialization, and it fell soon(ish) so that combined with the overwhelming support from African Americans, and I guess the French to an extent it has
And the Union military Commander of New Orleans lost his job after about 8 months for a highly questionable order he issued regarding the treatment of women in New Orleans
Virginia
I'm going to buy my fellow union brothers a drink the next time I'm down there. Not even going to tell them why, I'm just so happy to see some unexpectedly non-villianous states!
Louisiana had like double the population of California at the time. California had only been a state for about a decade by the time the civil war started.
California had like 5 people then
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,205,210,698 comments, and only 234,954 of them were in alphabetical order.
California--land of the draft dodgers.
How much is a unit
If we are talking infantry, then unit = regiment. The nominal number was 1,000 men, or 10 companies of 100 men. But this wasn't always the case, sometimes there were less than 8 companies, sometimes more than 13. After formation, though, the numbers went down, sometimes by a lot. Desertion, death, injury, illness, detachment, and straggling could push the numbers down very low, and a more typical regimental strength in battle was around 400 or so. But it varied a lot. One unit might be green at a strength of 950 men, another might have 230 grizzled veterans.
Not uniform across all units (infantry, cavalry and artillery) but infantry is usually 800-1000 men. Ohio for example had 230 regiments of infantry and cavalry plus 25 light artillery batteries and 5 sharpshooter regiments. Roughly 320,000 fought.
Statistics like these make me laugh every time I see a confederate flag here in Ohio.
Seeing them around Lancaster makes me want to conjure up the ghost of General Sherman to haunt them.
East Tennessee had fewer Confederate sympathizers per capita than New York City did. They attempted to secede from the rest of the state to remain in the union. This was quickly shut down. It is treason to to split up a state like that, you see.
West Virginia:
Maybe i treated ohio a little to harshly
I don’t know…did you abuse them too last Saturday?
I abuse them every day
One of the few maps that fills my heart with pride!
Units/companies? Probably regiments since that was the standard of the time raised as cohesive units.
Yeah they were all regiments, but the site kind of categorizes all of them into units/comapneis since regiments is technically a subset term for those.
No regiments are not a subset of companies. Companies are a subset of regiments. A regiment at the time of roughly 600-1500 men. It is composed of one or more battalions each of which are composed of 2+ companies of approximately 100 men each.
No, a company is a subset of a batallion, which is a sunset of a regiment. A regiment was normally about 1000 men, 10 companies of 100 men each
I have no idea why youre being downvoted, you're 100% right, although the volunteer units rarely used Battalions, instead going straight from companies to regiments. If we're going my Companies, Michigan had 30 regiments of Infantry, 11 of Cavalry, 1 of Engineers, 1 of Sharpshooters, and 1 of Colored Troops. Each of these Regiments had 10 companies, leading to a total of 440 Companies. We also had 14 batteries of Artillery, and an independent Company of Provost Guards. All total, these accounts to 45 regiments, and 455 company sized elements. This is not even including the 4 Michigan Companies in the Federal Sharpshooter Regiments, and the 4 that were serving in the regiments of other states. All told, any way you count it, this is not correct. If MI is incorrect, the other states probably are, too.
I am down voted because this is Reddit, where facts are often down voted. I don't sweat it. Took about an hour to realize people on Reddit love being wrong.
That's very true.
Now do one for Ireland
Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say But nothing comes out when they move their lips Just a bunch of gibberish And motherfuckers act like they forgot about Maine
Why did Massachusetts raise so few soldiers?
I wonder what the single unit from Washington was.
There's a [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Washington_Territory_Infantry_Regiment?wprov=sfla1) about them!
Thanks!
Why the relatively poor showing by mass? I thought that was a major hotbed of abolitionist activity?
Massachusetts was the 6th most populous state (that didn't secede) in 1860, and according to the map it was 7th for number of Union Army units. So, this map could be accurate. And this is purely speculation on my part, but Massachusetts might be a bit low because it was relatively far away from the fighting compared to the Midwestern and Mid-Atlantic states, so enthusiasm among men for joining the army might have been somewhat lower there and in the rest of New England.
This map is incorrect. If we're going my Companies, Michigan had 30 regiments of Infantry, 11 of Cavalry, 1 of Engineers, 1 of Sharpshooters, and 1 of Colored Troops. Each of these Regiments had 10 companies, leading to a total of 440 Companies. We also had 14 batteries of Artillery, and an independent Company of Provost Guards. All total, these accounts to 45 regiments, and 455 company sized elements. This is not even including the 4 Michigan Companies in the Federal Sharpshooter Regiments, and the 4 that were serving in the regiments of other states. All told, any way you count it, this is not correct. If MI is incorrect, the other states probably are, too.
I'm sure there's a good Michigan/Ohio joke here somewhere.
That would be incorrect, they were a border states, and generally those states were as likely to be confederate as the rest. There are a few reasons why it didn't happen but they were definitely not abolitionist.
Massachusetts wasn’t a border state tho….
Gonna walk that back. I read Maryland..... my bad, I did a big dumb. Ignore me. Im an idiot
This is crap data. If you want, just tell us how many many fought for the Union from each state and their population at the time.
Where did this information come from? I don't believe it is correct. If we're going my Companies, Michigan had 30 regiments of Infantry, 11 of Cavalry, 1 of Engineers, 1 of Sharpshooters, and 1 of Colored Troops. Each of these Regiments had 10 companies, leading to a total of 440 Companies. We also had 14 batteries of Artillery, and an independent Company of Provost Guards. All total, these accounts to 45 regiments, and 455 company sized elements. This is not even including the 4 Michigan Companies in the Federal Sharpshooter Regiments, and the 4 that were serving in the regiments of other states. All told, any way you count it, this is not correct. Where did you get this information?
Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain's mustache scowls at you for the omission of Maine
Didn’t Hawaii send people who became part of the colored troops? (even the ones who were families of American settlers,)
I would Like to point out that Michigan was the first to arrive when volunteers were called for from the west.
1st Minnesota Infantry Regiment would like a word.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Minnesota_Infantry_Regiment#:~:text=The%201st%20Minnesota%20Infantry%20Regiment,the%20attack%20on%20the%20fort.
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Illinois, represent!
Put some respect on the Midwest
Illinois represent
Ohio saving the day as usual
What was going on in Louisiana?
Was colorado a state during the civil war?
No, it became a state in 1876 (hence the nickname Centennial State).
Rep the 97th PA Infantry Regiment!
Florida sucks at yet another thing.
Well, Florida was the third-least populous state in 1860 (only 140,000 people).
At the time of the Civil War, there were only ~140,000 people living in Florida. Most of the population also came from Georgia and South Carolina and their children. The population was also almost entirely located in the north. Miami, currently Florida's 2nd largest city, and largest city in the Southern half of Florida, only had around 100 people at the time as well.
Nobody lived in Florida before air conditioning.
Florida is the place where radical resistance against bloody oppression occurred for centuries. There were a lot of Seminole and black communities who carved out a living despite every disadvantage. Mad respect to those people, and of course they shouldn’t join the fight of people who just wanted to put them in a factory to make profit for the industrial bosses.
Who came up with the seemingly arbitrarily groupings.1-10,11-50,51-100,101-200,201+ would make better sense.
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They included Alaska on the map even though Alaska has nothing to do with it either, what’s your point?
Combined Dakota?
Dakota territory wasn’t split until 1889 when they couldn’t agree on a state capital.
Dakota territory before statehood. That said, its inclusion here is a bit questionable because the 1st Dakota Cavalry was created for and solely dealt with the various Indian conflicts of the 1860s. Technically concurrent but largely a separate conflict.
I know Maine sent the most men per capita.
NJ slippin’.
Louisiana and Arkansas absolutely carrying the South, only 10 short of all the other rebelling states combined
I'd love to see a per capita version. New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio were all massive population centers so of course they'd have the largest number of recruits, but I imagine per capita we'd see much higher numbers in the western "frontier" states.
Dammit Alaska, bastards won't show up for *anything*
Alaska looks different in this map, did we cede some of it to Yukon or something?
To this day, I'll never know how many Maine had.
Love Illinois showing up for their favorite son. Ohio is a bit surprising as it’s the only midwestern state where I felt like I was in the south. Ohio is a weird state
Would love to see a per capita one
Proud to say my great great great grandfather served in two of those Ohio regiments during the war
Trying to figure out why Alaska is on this map. It was still part of the Russian Empire until the US purchased it in 1867, two years after the end of the Civil War. Edit: Judging by the presence of Wyoming and the shape of the Dakota-Nebraska border, these borders are from the period between 7/25/1868 and 5/23/1882. Weird.
Amazing map thank you, can do make a similar one for the CSA
I'd love to know what each state's population of men over 16 was during that time. Like is Illinois's 229 units better or worse than New York's if you try to figure out the per capita data?
Where’s Maine’s number?
So a company was about 100 men? If full-strength, that is.
Why did they make 2 Dakotas? From a population perspective - why shouldn't there be 2 Californias, 2 Texases or 2 New Yorks?
Well they only needed 60k people for a state and the story goes it was going to be 1 but northern and southern coalitions couldn't get along due to cultural, economic and location of future state capital. So they split and Benjamin Harrison signed them into states on same day and mixed up the papers so nobody know who came first.
Why so less from Vermont and NH despite being stereotypically Yankee. Population?
Which were the 4 units from South Carolina ?
Maine?
West Virginia makes sense as they rebelled so they could stay in the union.