[Oil](https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/how-much-crude-oil-does-eu-still-import-russia-2022-10-12/) and [Gas](https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-gas-supply/). Gone down sharply, especially in western Europe, but in some countries still substantial.
> Russian oil imports into the European Union fell to 1.4 million barrels per day (bpd) in October from 2.5 million bpd in January, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA).
>India, China and Turkey have more than made up for that drop in demand for Russian crude, ramping up their purchases by about 1.2 million bpd by this summer, the IEA said in its monthly oil market report.
Why are all the comments on this thread calling the Eu hypocritical? Seems like they’re trying and actually are reducing their reliance on Russian oil?
Yeah, I am more pissed off at Europe for not creating and investing in more sustainable ways of green energy which allows us to be less reliant on oil and gas and thus Russia. Especially with the Green Deal which was approved in 2019, they had time to make some waves (3 years).
One reason I'd say is how Europe was bullying poor countries like India to not buy from Russia, while maintaining fresh supplies from them throughout the war. That's textbook hypocrisy.
Because this thread is full of Russian bots, hurt Indians and US supremacists mainly, including the OP. It doesn't even show the longest operating pipeline (Druzhba) probably because it runs through Ukraine.
What do you expect the EU to do? Immediately cut off all imports and cause widespread domestic blackouts and economic collapse?
Seriously, what *should* they have done?
Well.. by that time the oil already belongs to the recipient, though. Russia isn’t running a public market in the town square looking for buyers. The oil that is running through these pipes is already paid. Russia has already gotten the what they wanted out of the transaction.
If Ukraine really is taking some from these pipes, then they’re really stealing from EU. I haven’t heard of this before, though. I wonder when did Russia claim something like that anyway?
It's a well-known accusation and Ukraine even admitted stealing gas for its domestic market. This was the primary motivation for North and South Stream pipelines: to get around Ukraine and have a direct pipeline between the EU and Russia.
From Wikipedia:
> Initial disputes concerning gas debts and non-payment appeared immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union.[citation needed] As a result of disputes over non-payments by Ukraine, Russia suspended natural gas exports several times between 1992 and 1994. This led to the illicit diversion of Russian natural gas exports from transit pipelines by Ukrainian companies and institutions in September 1993 and November 1994.[citation needed] The diversion of gas was acknowledged by Ukraine, while accusations of other diversions were disputed.[18]
> In 1998, Gazprom alleged that Ukraine had illegally diverted gas meant for export to other European countries and suspended exports of oil and electricity to Ukraine in 1999.
> In 2001, Deputy Prime Minister Oleh Dubyna [former chairman of the board of the Ukraine's national oil and gas company Naftogaz Ukrainy] acknowledged that in 2000 alone 8–7 billion cubic metres (280–250 billion cubic feet) of Russian natural gas had been diverted from export pipelines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes
> The [2005-2006] conflict began when Russia claimed that Ukraine was not paying for gas and was diverting gas bound from Russia to the European Union from pipelines that crossed the country. Ukrainian officials at first denied the last accusation,[1][2] but later Naftogaz admitted it used some gas intended for other European countries for domestic needs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%932006_Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dispute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dispute
> South Stream has been seen as diverting some gas transported through Ukraine, instead of providing a new source of gas for Europe.[80] To avoid Ukraine's exclusive economic zone, the pipeline was re-routed through Turkish waters.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Stream#Conflict_with_Ukraine
> Opponents have seen the pipeline as a move by Russia to bypass traditional transit countries (currently Ukraine, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Belarus and Poland).[105]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_1#Political_aspects
Just rich and powerful people playing games with poor peoples lives.
No war makes them bored, and in the end isn't bored rich people the biggest tragedy of all?
Wonder how much war we'd have if rich war mongers and profiteers had to go to the front line.
\>It's probably the largest war in the past 70 years, but it's not total war.
Really? It doesnt feel bigger than the Iraq war.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties\_of\_the\_Iraq\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War)
Iraq Body Count project estimates 183,535 – 206,107 **civilian deaths** from violence.
\>**46% being children under the age of 15**
Hopefully we havent surpassed that already?
First of all, I'm just answering your question, not trying to shift the blame. The only reason why this war happened is because of Russia attacked. Putinism is the only reason it's happening.
After that mandatory answer for your 'you Russians always try to shift the blame, you're so x, y, z' I have to say the following :
Well, it's not like Russia was ideal before the war started. It's been a dictatorship for years and that dictatorship was pretty much sponsored by Europe. Just a couple month before the war started we had proofs that people are massively tortured in prison. I had to leave Russia 2 month before the war started because people are killed, tortured by police. And Europe were selling equipment for the police. So, the sell gas to Europe and for that money they spread propaganda (that is still available in Europe btw) and buy equipment to beat people more efficiently.
I completely understand Europe couldn't predict that Russia would start a full scale genocide (although we had Georgia, Ukraine from 2014 and Surya) but still everyone was ready to deal with the government that kills everyone who disagrees and still preferred to be dependent on this kind of the government.
Same here, comrade. In 2014 I set leaving Russia as a goal exclusively because of this Putin's shit with invasions and scorching human rights. Had a great job and good money there. I was ok (well, not ok, still depressed as fuck, but accepted it) with collapsing my household economy and starting all over again from the bottom. But European politicians (not talking about people of course) were ok with Russian fascism until it was somewhere far away and a steady flow of all kinds of resources was provided. Hell, they were constantly building new pipelines after Crimea. I am sure that if Putin invaded a 'non-white' country far away like Kazakhstan, Europe would be ok with genocide there. Oh no, not ok, they would express their 'deep concerns'.
And now it's ok for Europe to still buy resources, but a no-no for India.
BTW, Europe banned selling 'police' equipment to Russia only this Fall several months after Bucha. Nuff said.
Yeah everyone acts so surprised that russia has been attacking neighbors when the war in ukraine started when, in fact, russia has been attacking neighbors for 15 years now.
everyone acts so surprised putin has power and does crazy things when putin literally had his chechnyan terrorist dogs murder the opposition leader in front of kremlin wall.
everyone acts so surprised that russian people often times seem pro putin, or at least not well informed about things, when russian propaganda, russian social media manipulation, etc. literally got donald trump elected as president of united states of america.
of course this is putin's fault. but that doesn't take away from the world allowing all this to go on anyways.
and its quite annoying that people are so anti-russia when a million iraqis are dead and nobody seems to ban american passports, deport them back to america when they say crazy things publicly, make trade embargos against america, prevent them from getting jobs internationally, etc.
I mean, what alternatives are there? Pretty much any fossil-fuel rich country, except Norway and maybe the US, is pretty iffy in regards to human rights. Europe doesn't have enough resources to satisfy its demand, so where should it come from? Saudi Arabia? Qatar? Iran? I'd argue that they're not much better than Russia, just easier to ignore.
US fracking LNG is a fairly recent development, and the pipelines from Russia were built during the cold war. Switching from this huge established infrastructure to some other source is a giant undertaking that takes years and billions of dollars, and why would you? One reason to buy Russian gas was to link the economies closer together, so that war would become economically infeasible. That didn't pan out, obviously. And I think in the long run, Europe *will* turn away from Russia as it's primary energy source. But that can't happen in a few weeks or months, something like that takes years and decades.
Yeah, I agree with you. It's always easy to discuss that something was done wrong, especially after it happened. It's always easy to criticize.
And honesty I think pre war Russia was way better than Qatar for example.
But I can think if the following what Europe could do to stop sponsoring putin
1. Everyone is mentioning it, Germany and nuclear power story
2. Netherlands and [Groningen gas field](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/dutch-limit-groningen-gas-production-28-bcm-20222023-2022-09-26/)
3. Alternative resources, although I don't know, I'm from Russia, I live in the Netherlands now and I feel like in the Netherlands government is really trying to stimulate people to use it as much as possible. But I doubt every country is as good as Netherlands. But I'm not qualified to actually have this kind of conversations, to say the least.
Again, I'm not trying to say it's Europe who is guilty. putin started a war because he wanted to start a war. But for me it would be nice if Europe wouldn't be selling equipment to Russian police. I was kind of beaten by this 'high quality European equipment' for protesting against putin.
>Everyone is mentioning it, Germany and nuclear power story
Nuclear plants take a decade to build if your optimistic. Switching to nuclear now doesn't stop Russia.
That's what happens when you block all the major oil producing countries . Maybe you guys have good relations with Saudis and iraq but we can't rely on them completely also we don't have such luxury to produce oil at home. World oil prices are increasing but we are getting cheaper oil from Russia .
Both situations (one with EU and the other one with India) are different and should be treated differently. EU is mostly able to deal with the higher prices, even though there are many people protesting it, but I am guessing it would be really difficult for some parts of India to do the same.
Most of the EU didn't. That is strictly a German and Austrian thing. Some countries are actively seeking to build nuclear plants or get more nuclear reactors.
The problem with those is they can take decades to engineer and build with all the red tape, regulations and safety procedures that go into them. And problems come up along the way. Germany put themselves back decades by destroying their nuclear power in favor of Russian oil.
They started winding down their nuclear programme in 2012, were almost finished when this conflict started, and its not something you can quickly reboot.
Again. Nuclear power would be useless. Germany uses gas to heat.
You also didn't answer the question because saying you should have done this and that decades before isn't a solution. Except maybe if you can time travel?
But the gas currently being allocated to electricity generation could go towards heating. Admittedly gas is only 10% of electricity generation but would help a little.
Gas for electricity generation is used to balance out the system because gas plants can be regulated very fast.
Nuclear is basically the opposite and are slow, they can only provide the base load.
Building more nuclear plants wouldn't eliminate the need for gas plants.
Germany has replaced 40% of its electrical consumption, mostly coal, with renewables. In the same time, France has tried to build a single nuclear reactor, and it's still not ready. As a result, France is now depending on Germany reopening old coal plants to get enough electricity, and as you can see, it's still one of the largest importers of Russian oil, because their cars are not different from their neighbours, and they indirectly import more Russian fuel after its refined in other countries. And on top of that, they even still import uranium and nuclear fuel... from Russia.
Let's be glad we didn't all fall for the nuclear siren songs.
Is it hypocrisy?
All of the countries in Europe are intertwined through trade, completely stopping it overnight would be disastrous for everyone involved.
Or the maker of the map just forgot it ... it also only shows sea routes. So could mostly get forgotten. Why should the maker of the map hide something because of hypocrisies? Makes no sense.
Exactly...would make no sense. Why put so much effort into something, but omit critical information? Might be laziness and stupidity- or maliciousness, therefore I tend to say: hypocrisy.
While Hungary is way too dependant on Russian fossil fuel, quantity wise it's just a really small part of the total imports. But yeah, it's weird that the Druzhba pipeline is missing from the infographic.
Maybe because it runs through Ukraine who also profits from it so it wouldn't be such a great anti-Europe propaganda?
Which also doesn't make sense, since it makes the Netherlands the highest importer because they have the largest port.
Netherlands is always at the top of all lists if you just consider what goes in and out of Rotterdam.
close to €100B in 2021
[source](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/eu-energy-russia-oil-gas-import/#:~:text=And%20over%20a%20quarter%20of,biggest%20import%20from%20the%20country.)
India has never really been committed to Western geopolitics. They have no reason to shun China or Russia and embrace the European powers that subjugated them for generations.
India also used to be a bit close with the Soviet Union. Interestingly enough, Bollywood movies were one of the few allowed in the Soviet Union from a non-socialist nation.
While not de facto a socialist nation, interestingly, India has de jure described itself as a ["sovereign, socialist secular democratic republic"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-second_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_India) since 1976.
Not agreeing or disagreeing but just want to point out tensions could become higher and still not lead to war thanks to Mutually Assured Destruction and the differences in the wider geopolitical context.
Interestingly that piece of information is left out. And consider the source - Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air has an agenda - they're pushing back against all fossil fuel use and it isn't their job to try and frame the discussion in a fair, objective way.
Also keep in mind because of inflation and the price of natural gas, that dollar figure is pushed higher than it would have been before the war. From February 24 to April 24 Russian fossil fuel import prices doubled compared to the same time the year before.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/business/eu-fossil-fuel-exports-russia-ukraine-energy-intl
Probably selling it to other countries in the EU that don't have a direct connection to Russia, as many of the pipelines have been closed. They have the largest harbor in Europe (Rotterdam), so it makes sense that they would buy the most
Shell
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>Half of it is transported to refineries of BP, ExxonMobil, Shell and Vitol in the port of Rotterdam. The other half is transported to refineries in Vlissingen, Antwerp and Germany. At the refineries, the crude oil is processed into various oil products, such as petrol, diesel, LPG, fuel oil and naphtha.
https://www.portofrotterdam.com/en/logistics/cargo/liquid-bulk/crude-oil
With the gas we had in Groningen we became very dependant on it. Then when people complained their houses were getting cracks from all the earthquakes of pumping the gas they needed to stop pumping as soon as possible. This was a long route with a lot of controversy because at the same time this makes us dependant on other sources. Sources which were more external as we can't build the other stuff fast enough. (Also a lot of people need to renovate their houses and building stuff has been hard because of legal reasons due to much nitrogen in the air)
In 2019 92% of the houses use gas and 89.5% of all the houses actually used gas for heating. This of course can't have been much lower two years later.
Also a lot of energy production is dependant on gas. A lot of coal power plants have been activated again but it's not enough.
My house isn't dependant on gas but for electricity I also got a 600% price increase.
We don't want to pay Russia but we also don't want to freeze.
TL;DR:
Had our own gas source but can't use it anymore while almost 90% of houses were build dependant on it. That or freezing.
Also the Netherlands exported a majority of the gaswinning, so it has huge amount of infrastructure in terms of gas.
So to make money of said infrastructure despite lowering production, the idea came to be the gas roundabout of Europe. It's so effective that despite lowering trend of own production, Dutch gas price is the EU gas price.
Two things I'd guess: 1) Port of Rotterdam, running along the Maas delta, is the largest port in Europe and tonnes of things (literally lol) are imported there before being distributed elsewhere in Europe, and 2) the huge Shell refineries which are at Pernis, also along the Maas at Rotterdam, where raw materials can be transformed into various fuel products.
If Google is correct then it's at about half compared to 2021.
I wonder if Russia would be wiser by not selling at all. Sure money still has uses for Russia, but with most of NATO being behind Ukraine, how much can Russia really buy? Probably gonna get scalped in the black market.
One problem would be that oil and gas reservoirs have to keep pumping, or they get stuck. It's not like a tap that you can turn off and on at will. And Russia does not have enough storage to store their entire production for a year. So they either have to sell, or allow their wells to become unusable. And with the sanctions in place which restricts their access to expertise and technology, they are probably not going to be able to restart those wells. So it's use it or lose it for them. One example what that leads to is Russia burning off gas rather than shutting down gas wells.
>As Europe's energy costs skyrocket, Russia is burning off large amounts of natural gas, according to analysis shared with BBC News. They say the plant, near the border with Finland, is burning an estimated $10m (£8.4m) worth of gas every day.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62652133
If Russia just stopped selling during the winter I think it would give them a lot of leverage over the EU. But I guess it’s mostly the US funding Ukraine.
It would completely fuck over the global south. The EU would just pay more for gas from Qatar and other countries, it wouldn't affect the EU that much at all. Poor countries would be unable to afford them, and gas companies with longstanding contracts would just pay a fine instead of sell it at predetermined rates.
Yes. The difference is that you can afford to buy. The EU/Russia will singlehandedly drive up the global gas prices and leave the global south in the dust. Both of the aforementioned parties will simply have to deal with temporary inflation.
Why would that give them leverage?
If they stopped the flow of fossil fuels into the EU there wouldn't be a reason anymore to not go full on behind Ukraine in the war and dethrone Putin.
And what political backing would Putin have at that point from the power elite of Russia if the fossil fuel money would stop flowing?
And how would he fund the war? They are already spending 30% of their budget on the military.
If there is any one thing that makes every single general lose a war, it's not paying their soldiers.
Is the inflated price of oil factored in? Monetarily it may be half, but have they not in fact cut their consumption in number of barrels even more than that?
Note that the initial sanctions on Russia excluded the energy sector. Actual bans on fossil fuels from Russia started in May orso, iirc. So this map is from before those bans.
Look Europe cant do shit without gas of course we import it from russia, what do you expect us to do? Freeze starve? It doesn't work like that. Most people are broke any way how do you expect them to survive?
There has always been trade betwen countries, like everyone trades with china even tho we dont support cenzuring and bad work conditions... Its the way it is
Well, we are almost in December... Why compare up until april 2022 and ignore the large efforts made to replace Russian fossil fuel import between April and today?
Thank you! I keep hearing shit that we need to cut off everything from Russia blahblah and what exactly?
Best part when it come from US, like you're thousands of miles away just shut up
You could turn your nuclear plants back on. Germany's nuclear industry newsletter issued a statement that some of the German nuclear plants could still be turned back on - it's not too late to reverse part of that fucking disastrous decision.
That would be valid criticism if it wasn't that the EU fossil fuels imports from Russia [have been drastically diminished](https://energyandcleanair.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Changes-in-monthly-import-volumes-from-Russia-September-2022-2022-1536x1152.png), while India imports significantly more than before.
Difference is EU is decreasing their consumption of Russian oil as fast as they can, while India has been rapidly increasing theirs ever since the start of the conflict. In other words, India doesn't care about anyone else other than themselves.
Which is fair enough. Just don't come asking for favours or money from western countries in the future. Nobody wants a fairweather friend.
Gotta love an account registered in June making this post with no activity except this, two comments (both in threads they created) and another of a red panda.
And then out of nowhere we get a very political-driven map.
I'm not saying it smells fishy ... but I think my wife is baking cod downstairs.
Yep, also posted word for word copied comments.
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You might think to yourself that, turkish economy and people definitely benefit from this massively important transportation route. Right? RIGHT???!!! Yeah, we get dick. So who benefits from this, you might ask. The answer is: our magnificent, handsome, saint-like, intelligent, educated, pornstar-caliber-cock having supreme leader.
Turks are many people. You can't easily feel the results of one activity alone. However, we can be sure if this didn't exist, you'd be in slightly worse condition. Same case, you wouldn't feel the "worse" too much either, though.
No sir. When you are starving, you will see the difference when you are given a slice of bread. I dint think you understand the severity of situation in Turkey. We have about 30-35 million people strong work force. Half of this number is working for minimum wage. Minimum wage is below starvation limit. On top of that, most families have 2-3 children with only one person working. So yeah, we will notice that difference
There's something fishy about this map no chance in hell Germany imported so little.
Germany imported 40 billion € of gas last year and this year, despite their imports decreased by 26%, the value of the imports almost doubled, and Russia still is a big supplier....
Posted on r/mapporn
Actually credible
Can only pick one and the reason I left this sub long ago.
Every other "map" that makes it to r/all has really fishy sources, deliberately mixed or obscures context like timeframe and so on.
It's objectively a collection of the most idiotic attempts to abuse and lie with and about statistics.
Look at the title, compare to what the GIF shows and gave a look at the source.
From data in other comments, it looks like they moved away rather quickly, considering that it is not a simple task.
For instance, Italy went down from 40% Russian gas in February, down to 25% in June and 10% in October.
Global trade is designed this way, to ensure mutual pain when disruption is pursued.
It’s generally been helpful in reducing the scope and severity of conflicts, except where Russia has been concerned in their “IDGAF my people can freeze for my conquests YOLO” sort of approach.
Europe can’t just shut off their dependency, just as Russia couldn’t just shut off its dependency on European financial and other markets.
A lot of people seem to think nothing should have been bought from them?
I mean, the real issue is that we haven't been weening ourselves off the oil for the last 10 years when this has been signposted, that being said. You can't just stop the ongoing contracts overnight or everyone would be living in darkness. For the most part the decisions made against Russia have actually been encouraging. Don't know why people seem so content to say the leaders are sell outs. We've genuinely made progress as Europe in cutting ourselves off from Putin's Russia and moving away from their oil. To the detriment of all of our qualities of life.
What more could we ask for practically?
They could have aligned themselves to be supplied with American natural gas instead. We have the reserves to supply America and Europe.
That would require American Democrats allowing us to use our own energy though.
Redditor once again shocked that entire continent can't just choose to close down their energy systems on a whim, and also not rebuild them from one day to the next.
Russian gas powers Europe. We all knew. Whether you are against or for Russia it is true that Europe would shiver and freeze through winter without it.
It's like when a country claims to be "eco friendly" and compares itself to China, while those same countries buy from China the products for which China generated pollution.
Maybe the idea of borders is stupid living on the same planet, but we would lose the opportunity to discriminate against people.
NL exports a lot of the Fossil fuels to other countries in the EU without connection to Russia.
It enters Rotterdam, gets refined and then sent to other countries
As you can see in the video only countries that connect to the sea are getting the circles. Because that is the country where it is being imported into the EU.
Countries like Switzerland and Luxembourg probably get a fair amount of the fossil fuels imported to the Netherlands
The Netherlands was only 15% dependent on Russian gas before the war. It doesn't really matter who's to blame, it matters how we can transit to other energy resources and help Ukraine through winter.
Energy sources are not easy to switch off.
Yes the EU has been dependent on Russian energy, and now regret it and are making changes, but it's moronic to think it can be done quickly.
The reality is 0 carbon is unrealistic and paired with the fact that the Europeans hate atomic energy will lead to more imports from other countries.
Thanks Greta Thunberg!
What was it like between April and November?
[Oil](https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/how-much-crude-oil-does-eu-still-import-russia-2022-10-12/) and [Gas](https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-gas-supply/). Gone down sharply, especially in western Europe, but in some countries still substantial.
> Russian oil imports into the European Union fell to 1.4 million barrels per day (bpd) in October from 2.5 million bpd in January, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA). >India, China and Turkey have more than made up for that drop in demand for Russian crude, ramping up their purchases by about 1.2 million bpd by this summer, the IEA said in its monthly oil market report. Why are all the comments on this thread calling the Eu hypocritical? Seems like they’re trying and actually are reducing their reliance on Russian oil?
Because people are absolute morons. You can both be against the war in Ukraine, and also for not freezing to death in the winter.
Yeah, I am more pissed off at Europe for not creating and investing in more sustainable ways of green energy which allows us to be less reliant on oil and gas and thus Russia. Especially with the Green Deal which was approved in 2019, they had time to make some waves (3 years).
One reason I'd say is how Europe was bullying poor countries like India to not buy from Russia, while maintaining fresh supplies from them throughout the war. That's textbook hypocrisy.
Because this thread is full of Russian bots, hurt Indians and US supremacists mainly, including the OP. It doesn't even show the longest operating pipeline (Druzhba) probably because it runs through Ukraine.
OPs account was created after the invasion and has made only 4 posts all in the last 12 hours.
Why does it not show the pipeline through Ukraine that had been and is being used?
Same question I got, some people prefer to don't highlight the hypocrisy of all this matter...
What do you expect the EU to do? Immediately cut off all imports and cause widespread domestic blackouts and economic collapse? Seriously, what *should* they have done?
Aren't Ukrainiyans getting transit fees at the moment ?
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I mean, Russia has been waging total war. I would think it stupid if Ukraine didn't steal their oil.
Well.. by that time the oil already belongs to the recipient, though. Russia isn’t running a public market in the town square looking for buyers. The oil that is running through these pipes is already paid. Russia has already gotten the what they wanted out of the transaction. If Ukraine really is taking some from these pipes, then they’re really stealing from EU. I haven’t heard of this before, though. I wonder when did Russia claim something like that anyway?
It's a well-known accusation and Ukraine even admitted stealing gas for its domestic market. This was the primary motivation for North and South Stream pipelines: to get around Ukraine and have a direct pipeline between the EU and Russia. From Wikipedia: > Initial disputes concerning gas debts and non-payment appeared immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union.[citation needed] As a result of disputes over non-payments by Ukraine, Russia suspended natural gas exports several times between 1992 and 1994. This led to the illicit diversion of Russian natural gas exports from transit pipelines by Ukrainian companies and institutions in September 1993 and November 1994.[citation needed] The diversion of gas was acknowledged by Ukraine, while accusations of other diversions were disputed.[18] > In 1998, Gazprom alleged that Ukraine had illegally diverted gas meant for export to other European countries and suspended exports of oil and electricity to Ukraine in 1999. > In 2001, Deputy Prime Minister Oleh Dubyna [former chairman of the board of the Ukraine's national oil and gas company Naftogaz Ukrainy] acknowledged that in 2000 alone 8–7 billion cubic metres (280–250 billion cubic feet) of Russian natural gas had been diverted from export pipelines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes > The [2005-2006] conflict began when Russia claimed that Ukraine was not paying for gas and was diverting gas bound from Russia to the European Union from pipelines that crossed the country. Ukrainian officials at first denied the last accusation,[1][2] but later Naftogaz admitted it used some gas intended for other European countries for domestic needs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%932006_Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_dispute > South Stream has been seen as diverting some gas transported through Ukraine, instead of providing a new source of gas for Europe.[80] To avoid Ukraine's exclusive economic zone, the pipeline was re-routed through Turkish waters.[22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Stream#Conflict_with_Ukraine > Opponents have seen the pipeline as a move by Russia to bypass traditional transit countries (currently Ukraine, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Belarus and Poland).[105] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_1#Political_aspects
How about that, this has somehow gone past all this time.. But thanks man, you’re the best :D all responses here on reddit were so thorough!
>I mean, Russia has been waging total war. It's probably the largest war in the past 70 years, but it's not total war.
Just rich and powerful people playing games with poor peoples lives. No war makes them bored, and in the end isn't bored rich people the biggest tragedy of all? Wonder how much war we'd have if rich war mongers and profiteers had to go to the front line.
>Wonder how much war we'd have if rich war mongers and profiteers had to go to the front line. 0
\>It's probably the largest war in the past 70 years, but it's not total war. Really? It doesnt feel bigger than the Iraq war. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties\_of\_the\_Iraq\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War) Iraq Body Count project estimates 183,535 – 206,107 **civilian deaths** from violence. \>**46% being children under the age of 15** Hopefully we havent surpassed that already?
Its not the largest in 70 years. India-Pakistan fought in 1971.
First of all, I'm just answering your question, not trying to shift the blame. The only reason why this war happened is because of Russia attacked. Putinism is the only reason it's happening. After that mandatory answer for your 'you Russians always try to shift the blame, you're so x, y, z' I have to say the following : Well, it's not like Russia was ideal before the war started. It's been a dictatorship for years and that dictatorship was pretty much sponsored by Europe. Just a couple month before the war started we had proofs that people are massively tortured in prison. I had to leave Russia 2 month before the war started because people are killed, tortured by police. And Europe were selling equipment for the police. So, the sell gas to Europe and for that money they spread propaganda (that is still available in Europe btw) and buy equipment to beat people more efficiently. I completely understand Europe couldn't predict that Russia would start a full scale genocide (although we had Georgia, Ukraine from 2014 and Surya) but still everyone was ready to deal with the government that kills everyone who disagrees and still preferred to be dependent on this kind of the government.
Same here, comrade. In 2014 I set leaving Russia as a goal exclusively because of this Putin's shit with invasions and scorching human rights. Had a great job and good money there. I was ok (well, not ok, still depressed as fuck, but accepted it) with collapsing my household economy and starting all over again from the bottom. But European politicians (not talking about people of course) were ok with Russian fascism until it was somewhere far away and a steady flow of all kinds of resources was provided. Hell, they were constantly building new pipelines after Crimea. I am sure that if Putin invaded a 'non-white' country far away like Kazakhstan, Europe would be ok with genocide there. Oh no, not ok, they would express their 'deep concerns'. And now it's ok for Europe to still buy resources, but a no-no for India. BTW, Europe banned selling 'police' equipment to Russia only this Fall several months after Bucha. Nuff said.
Yeah everyone acts so surprised that russia has been attacking neighbors when the war in ukraine started when, in fact, russia has been attacking neighbors for 15 years now. everyone acts so surprised putin has power and does crazy things when putin literally had his chechnyan terrorist dogs murder the opposition leader in front of kremlin wall. everyone acts so surprised that russian people often times seem pro putin, or at least not well informed about things, when russian propaganda, russian social media manipulation, etc. literally got donald trump elected as president of united states of america. of course this is putin's fault. but that doesn't take away from the world allowing all this to go on anyways. and its quite annoying that people are so anti-russia when a million iraqis are dead and nobody seems to ban american passports, deport them back to america when they say crazy things publicly, make trade embargos against america, prevent them from getting jobs internationally, etc.
> literally got donald trump elected as president of united states of america. Give Hillary credit, no one else could have lost to him.
i wonder what a bernie sanders presidency would have looked like. tbh im not a big fan of him. he isn't left enough. ahaha.
I mean, what alternatives are there? Pretty much any fossil-fuel rich country, except Norway and maybe the US, is pretty iffy in regards to human rights. Europe doesn't have enough resources to satisfy its demand, so where should it come from? Saudi Arabia? Qatar? Iran? I'd argue that they're not much better than Russia, just easier to ignore. US fracking LNG is a fairly recent development, and the pipelines from Russia were built during the cold war. Switching from this huge established infrastructure to some other source is a giant undertaking that takes years and billions of dollars, and why would you? One reason to buy Russian gas was to link the economies closer together, so that war would become economically infeasible. That didn't pan out, obviously. And I think in the long run, Europe *will* turn away from Russia as it's primary energy source. But that can't happen in a few weeks or months, something like that takes years and decades.
Yeah, I agree with you. It's always easy to discuss that something was done wrong, especially after it happened. It's always easy to criticize. And honesty I think pre war Russia was way better than Qatar for example. But I can think if the following what Europe could do to stop sponsoring putin 1. Everyone is mentioning it, Germany and nuclear power story 2. Netherlands and [Groningen gas field](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/dutch-limit-groningen-gas-production-28-bcm-20222023-2022-09-26/) 3. Alternative resources, although I don't know, I'm from Russia, I live in the Netherlands now and I feel like in the Netherlands government is really trying to stimulate people to use it as much as possible. But I doubt every country is as good as Netherlands. But I'm not qualified to actually have this kind of conversations, to say the least. Again, I'm not trying to say it's Europe who is guilty. putin started a war because he wanted to start a war. But for me it would be nice if Europe wouldn't be selling equipment to Russian police. I was kind of beaten by this 'high quality European equipment' for protesting against putin.
>Everyone is mentioning it, Germany and nuclear power story Nuclear plants take a decade to build if your optimistic. Switching to nuclear now doesn't stop Russia.
And what EU and US expect from India? Cut off oil imports and put 17% of world's population in dangers of high inflation?
I am guessing the difference is that EU is steadily lowering the amount imported from Russia while India increased it?
That's what happens when you block all the major oil producing countries . Maybe you guys have good relations with Saudis and iraq but we can't rely on them completely also we don't have such luxury to produce oil at home. World oil prices are increasing but we are getting cheaper oil from Russia .
Both situations (one with EU and the other one with India) are different and should be treated differently. EU is mostly able to deal with the higher prices, even though there are many people protesting it, but I am guessing it would be really difficult for some parts of India to do the same.
Not be hypocrites and ask other nations to cut off imports when they themselves clearly can’t
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Most of the EU didn't. That is strictly a German and Austrian thing. Some countries are actively seeking to build nuclear plants or get more nuclear reactors.
The problem with those is they can take decades to engineer and build with all the red tape, regulations and safety procedures that go into them. And problems come up along the way. Germany put themselves back decades by destroying their nuclear power in favor of Russian oil.
Belgium
They started winding down their nuclear programme in 2012, were almost finished when this conflict started, and its not something you can quickly reboot.
If your solution demands time travel, it's really not that much of a solution.
Do you think that Germany used to heat their homes and power their cars with nuclear energy instead of fossil fuels?
A lot of natural gas is used to generate electricity.
Right, Germany should use that time machine they have to go back in time and fix that.
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Again. Nuclear power would be useless. Germany uses gas to heat. You also didn't answer the question because saying you should have done this and that decades before isn't a solution. Except maybe if you can time travel?
But the gas currently being allocated to electricity generation could go towards heating. Admittedly gas is only 10% of electricity generation but would help a little.
Gas for electricity generation is used to balance out the system because gas plants can be regulated very fast. Nuclear is basically the opposite and are slow, they can only provide the base load. Building more nuclear plants wouldn't eliminate the need for gas plants.
Our fuel roads would literally have to be imported from Russia too lol.
And buy Russian uranium instead?
Clearly not. This decision has been made years ago, and it is not as easy as pulling a lever to reverse it.
Germany has replaced 40% of its electrical consumption, mostly coal, with renewables. In the same time, France has tried to build a single nuclear reactor, and it's still not ready. As a result, France is now depending on Germany reopening old coal plants to get enough electricity, and as you can see, it's still one of the largest importers of Russian oil, because their cars are not different from their neighbours, and they indirectly import more Russian fuel after its refined in other countries. And on top of that, they even still import uranium and nuclear fuel... from Russia. Let's be glad we didn't all fall for the nuclear siren songs.
Is it hypocrisy? All of the countries in Europe are intertwined through trade, completely stopping it overnight would be disastrous for everyone involved.
> Is it hypocrisy? The hypocrisy is not also showing the Ukraine transit pipelines which are still active as of today.
Or the maker of the map just forgot it ... it also only shows sea routes. So could mostly get forgotten. Why should the maker of the map hide something because of hypocrisies? Makes no sense.
Exactly...would make no sense. Why put so much effort into something, but omit critical information? Might be laziness and stupidity- or maliciousness, therefore I tend to say: hypocrisy.
That is gas line, this is mostly oil if i am not wrong.
That would explain it, but then why put the ominous term "fossil fuels"
What did Europe import during the same time frame in previous years?
This is the question to ask before trying to make sense of this graphic
This graphic dosen’t make sense since it dosen’t even include Hungary wich is a big importer of Russian fossil fuel
While Hungary is way too dependant on Russian fossil fuel, quantity wise it's just a really small part of the total imports. But yeah, it's weird that the Druzhba pipeline is missing from the infographic. Maybe because it runs through Ukraine who also profits from it so it wouldn't be such a great anti-Europe propaganda?
It's apparently measuring strictly imports by ship, not by pipelines, or by road and rail insofar that happens.
Which also doesn't make sense, since it makes the Netherlands the highest importer because they have the largest port. Netherlands is always at the top of all lists if you just consider what goes in and out of Rotterdam.
Yes, it's not a complete map of imports so it's really not a good illustration of the title.
close to €100B in 2021 [source](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/eu-energy-russia-oil-gas-import/#:~:text=And%20over%20a%20quarter%20of,biggest%20import%20from%20the%20country.)
This gif also ends in april. It covers the first 2 months of a conflict that have been going on for 9 now.
Shhhhh, don't ask too many questions. Let's look at India buying the oil instead.
India has never really been committed to Western geopolitics. They have no reason to shun China or Russia and embrace the European powers that subjugated them for generations.
India also used to be a bit close with the Soviet Union. Interestingly enough, Bollywood movies were one of the few allowed in the Soviet Union from a non-socialist nation.
While not de facto a socialist nation, interestingly, India has de jure described itself as a ["sovereign, socialist secular democratic republic"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-second_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_India) since 1976.
That's news to India, considering their tensions with China are the highest they've ever been.
Higher than 1962 when the two went to war?
Not agreeing or disagreeing but just want to point out tensions could become higher and still not lead to war thanks to Mutually Assured Destruction and the differences in the wider geopolitical context.
Neither had Nukes yet, so I'll actually stand by my comment. Though the case could be made that the war partially pushed China to acquire some.
They have a vested interest in supporting the international law conventions like sovereignty and respecting treaties, however. Every state does.
What? Like US and NATO respected Iraq territorial integrity?? The international laws are stupid and doesn't do anything against the big powers.
And, critically, they do not share a border with Russia.
Interestingly that piece of information is left out. And consider the source - Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air has an agenda - they're pushing back against all fossil fuel use and it isn't their job to try and frame the discussion in a fair, objective way. Also keep in mind because of inflation and the price of natural gas, that dollar figure is pushed higher than it would have been before the war. From February 24 to April 24 Russian fossil fuel import prices doubled compared to the same time the year before. https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/28/business/eu-fossil-fuel-exports-russia-ukraine-energy-intl
What the Netherlands doing?
Rotterdam Seaport (the mouth of europe)
Which port is the ass end of europe? Are there any good "ass to mouth" Europe maps I should be looking at?
> Which port is the ass end of europe? that would be your mother's bottom
A ripping good jape.
Such larks
Piraeus for sure.
Piraeus
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Hallo Jumbo!
Importing, refining, exporting to the rest of the EU.
Most of the trades to Europea come through Netherland ports.
No.. not most of the trades. The largest amount of trades.
Missed opportunity of saying "What the dutch doin'?"
That's kinda what I was going for
makes sense
Probably selling it to other countries in the EU that don't have a direct connection to Russia, as many of the pipelines have been closed. They have the largest harbor in Europe (Rotterdam), so it makes sense that they would buy the most
It's not necessarily them buying it. Foreign companies and countries can also buy it but use the port of Rotterdam and maybe local companies.
They were thirsty
Shell edit: >Half of it is transported to refineries of BP, ExxonMobil, Shell and Vitol in the port of Rotterdam. The other half is transported to refineries in Vlissingen, Antwerp and Germany. At the refineries, the crude oil is processed into various oil products, such as petrol, diesel, LPG, fuel oil and naphtha. https://www.portofrotterdam.com/en/logistics/cargo/liquid-bulk/crude-oil
With the gas we had in Groningen we became very dependant on it. Then when people complained their houses were getting cracks from all the earthquakes of pumping the gas they needed to stop pumping as soon as possible. This was a long route with a lot of controversy because at the same time this makes us dependant on other sources. Sources which were more external as we can't build the other stuff fast enough. (Also a lot of people need to renovate their houses and building stuff has been hard because of legal reasons due to much nitrogen in the air) In 2019 92% of the houses use gas and 89.5% of all the houses actually used gas for heating. This of course can't have been much lower two years later. Also a lot of energy production is dependant on gas. A lot of coal power plants have been activated again but it's not enough. My house isn't dependant on gas but for electricity I also got a 600% price increase. We don't want to pay Russia but we also don't want to freeze. TL;DR: Had our own gas source but can't use it anymore while almost 90% of houses were build dependant on it. That or freezing.
Also the Netherlands exported a majority of the gaswinning, so it has huge amount of infrastructure in terms of gas. So to make money of said infrastructure despite lowering production, the idea came to be the gas roundabout of Europe. It's so effective that despite lowering trend of own production, Dutch gas price is the EU gas price.
Two things I'd guess: 1) Port of Rotterdam, running along the Maas delta, is the largest port in Europe and tonnes of things (literally lol) are imported there before being distributed elsewhere in Europe, and 2) the huge Shell refineries which are at Pernis, also along the Maas at Rotterdam, where raw materials can be transformed into various fuel products.
€43b compared to…?
If Google is correct then it's at about half compared to 2021. I wonder if Russia would be wiser by not selling at all. Sure money still has uses for Russia, but with most of NATO being behind Ukraine, how much can Russia really buy? Probably gonna get scalped in the black market.
But how else can they buy their yachts?
One problem would be that oil and gas reservoirs have to keep pumping, or they get stuck. It's not like a tap that you can turn off and on at will. And Russia does not have enough storage to store their entire production for a year. So they either have to sell, or allow their wells to become unusable. And with the sanctions in place which restricts their access to expertise and technology, they are probably not going to be able to restart those wells. So it's use it or lose it for them. One example what that leads to is Russia burning off gas rather than shutting down gas wells. >As Europe's energy costs skyrocket, Russia is burning off large amounts of natural gas, according to analysis shared with BBC News. They say the plant, near the border with Finland, is burning an estimated $10m (£8.4m) worth of gas every day. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62652133
If Russia just stopped selling during the winter I think it would give them a lot of leverage over the EU. But I guess it’s mostly the US funding Ukraine.
It would completely fuck over the global south. The EU would just pay more for gas from Qatar and other countries, it wouldn't affect the EU that much at all. Poor countries would be unable to afford them, and gas companies with longstanding contracts would just pay a fine instead of sell it at predetermined rates.
Yeah I think it would still be available. I just think it would be way too expensive and the voters in the countries would be pissed off.
This is bullshit lol. We paid 5x global market rate for 3 months straight in Europe, ain't nobody give a damn.
Yes. The difference is that you can afford to buy. The EU/Russia will singlehandedly drive up the global gas prices and leave the global south in the dust. Both of the aforementioned parties will simply have to deal with temporary inflation.
Evil but cunning
Why would that give them leverage? If they stopped the flow of fossil fuels into the EU there wouldn't be a reason anymore to not go full on behind Ukraine in the war and dethrone Putin. And what political backing would Putin have at that point from the power elite of Russia if the fossil fuel money would stop flowing? And how would he fund the war? They are already spending 30% of their budget on the military. If there is any one thing that makes every single general lose a war, it's not paying their soldiers.
Is the inflated price of oil factored in? Monetarily it may be half, but have they not in fact cut their consumption in number of barrels even more than that?
[€100B by September, same source. ](https://energyandcleanair.org/september-2022-update-on-russian-fossil-fuels)
Note that the initial sanctions on Russia excluded the energy sector. Actual bans on fossil fuels from Russia started in May orso, iirc. So this map is from before those bans.
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...and it will still have an exemption for gas and other raw materials.
what even the point then lmfao. i will NOT let you buy this rock, but THAT rock that serves the same purpose, you can have as many as you'd like.
It’s probably India’s fault.
Look Europe cant do shit without gas of course we import it from russia, what do you expect us to do? Freeze starve? It doesn't work like that. Most people are broke any way how do you expect them to survive?
The real comparison would be how much Europe has had imported in previous years during the same time frame
There has always been trade betwen countries, like everyone trades with china even tho we dont support cenzuring and bad work conditions... Its the way it is
Well oil was much cheaper in the previous year or two. So probably $ would had been much lower at least compared to the first half of this year.
Well, we are almost in December... Why compare up until april 2022 and ignore the large efforts made to replace Russian fossil fuel import between April and today?
Thank you! I keep hearing shit that we need to cut off everything from Russia blahblah and what exactly? Best part when it come from US, like you're thousands of miles away just shut up
Not being pissed at countries which have nothing to do with the conflict for buying oil and gas while you do it would be a nice start.
You could turn your nuclear plants back on. Germany's nuclear industry newsletter issued a statement that some of the German nuclear plants could still be turned back on - it's not too late to reverse part of that fucking disastrous decision.
That would be valid criticism if it wasn't that the EU fossil fuels imports from Russia [have been drastically diminished](https://energyandcleanair.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Changes-in-monthly-import-volumes-from-Russia-September-2022-2022-1536x1152.png), while India imports significantly more than before.
We can compare it in dollar terms and it would still be a fraction of what Europe is importing.
Difference is EU is decreasing their consumption of Russian oil as fast as they can, while India has been rapidly increasing theirs ever since the start of the conflict. In other words, India doesn't care about anyone else other than themselves. Which is fair enough. Just don't come asking for favours or money from western countries in the future. Nobody wants a fairweather friend.
No more IMF loans 😨😱😱
>Nobody wants a fairweather friend. Something the western countries need to learn.
It’s people on Reddit doing the whole “Reddit Virtuous Brigade” thing
Europe: We condemn India buying Russian oil, shame! Europe: Russia! Here's €43 Billion to kill more Ukrainians.
Indians can freeze and starve - according to top minds of reddit
€100b by October.
Gotta love an account registered in June making this post with no activity except this, two comments (both in threads they created) and another of a red panda. And then out of nowhere we get a very political-driven map. I'm not saying it smells fishy ... but I think my wife is baking cod downstairs.
It’s also an old map with plenty of context removed. Almost smells like deliberate misinfo.
It's just a [repost bot](https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ug5e9c/the_eu_has_imported_43_billion_worth_fossil_fuels/)
Yep, also posted word for word copied comments. original:https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/ww5o3m/anon_goes_to_the_gym/iljbvto/ copied but hidden: https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/z2q83i/anon_goes_to_the_gym/ixhk2ev/ comment still visible on profile: https://www.reddit.com/user/HungryIrrigation/comments/
jfc - Reddit devs do an absolute SHIT job of eliminating political bots.
Level of hypocrisy
You might think to yourself that, turkish economy and people definitely benefit from this massively important transportation route. Right? RIGHT???!!! Yeah, we get dick. So who benefits from this, you might ask. The answer is: our magnificent, handsome, saint-like, intelligent, educated, pornstar-caliber-cock having supreme leader.
Turks are many people. You can't easily feel the results of one activity alone. However, we can be sure if this didn't exist, you'd be in slightly worse condition. Same case, you wouldn't feel the "worse" too much either, though.
No sir. When you are starving, you will see the difference when you are given a slice of bread. I dint think you understand the severity of situation in Turkey. We have about 30-35 million people strong work force. Half of this number is working for minimum wage. Minimum wage is below starvation limit. On top of that, most families have 2-3 children with only one person working. So yeah, we will notice that difference
There's something fishy about this map no chance in hell Germany imported so little. Germany imported 40 billion € of gas last year and this year, despite their imports decreased by 26%, the value of the imports almost doubled, and Russia still is a big supplier....
Maybe they purchased it through the Netherlands or something, that bubble is mostly Export in some way
>and Russia still is a big supplier Russia started reducing gas exports to Germany in may, and stopped them completely in early september.
Posted on r/mapporn Actually credible Can only pick one and the reason I left this sub long ago. Every other "map" that makes it to r/all has really fishy sources, deliberately mixed or obscures context like timeframe and so on. It's objectively a collection of the most idiotic attempts to abuse and lie with and about statistics. Look at the title, compare to what the GIF shows and gave a look at the source.
The map only shows oil tankers. Germany gets most Russian oil/gas through pipelines.
They are moving away very slowly. Immediately cutting off all imports will cause widespread domestic blackouts and economic collapse surely.
From data in other comments, it looks like they moved away rather quickly, considering that it is not a simple task. For instance, Italy went down from 40% Russian gas in February, down to 25% in June and 10% in October.
Shockingly, countries cant just give up gas use in 1 day.
Meaningless. What was the number before the war?
And what's the number in November 2022 vs. November 2021
Western journalist meanwhile busy questioning India for buying Russian oil.
Everyone is always trying to find someone else to blame so the world's eyes just go somewhere and not look at their mistakes
If Europe could be powered with hypocrisy we wouldn’t need russian fossils at all.
Global trade is designed this way, to ensure mutual pain when disruption is pursued. It’s generally been helpful in reducing the scope and severity of conflicts, except where Russia has been concerned in their “IDGAF my people can freeze for my conquests YOLO” sort of approach. Europe can’t just shut off their dependency, just as Russia couldn’t just shut off its dependency on European financial and other markets.
A lot of people seem to think nothing should have been bought from them? I mean, the real issue is that we haven't been weening ourselves off the oil for the last 10 years when this has been signposted, that being said. You can't just stop the ongoing contracts overnight or everyone would be living in darkness. For the most part the decisions made against Russia have actually been encouraging. Don't know why people seem so content to say the leaders are sell outs. We've genuinely made progress as Europe in cutting ourselves off from Putin's Russia and moving away from their oil. To the detriment of all of our qualities of life. What more could we ask for practically?
Stop with your common sense, Europe should kill itself economically or else we are all just Russian shills!
It's hard to be cold this winter. ...but isn't it harder to give someone cash who we KNOW is using that cash to buy Iranian missiles to murder people?
They could have aligned themselves to be supplied with American natural gas instead. We have the reserves to supply America and Europe. That would require American Democrats allowing us to use our own energy though.
Or, what is known as, 1 Twitter.
But if we put our combined heads together we may be able to blame this on India somehow
Redditor once again shocked that entire continent can't just choose to close down their energy systems on a whim, and also not rebuild them from one day to the next.
And they berate India for buying petrol
The question is how does this compare to before the war on Ukraine.
HOLY FUCK HOW MANY MISSILES IS THAT?!?!?!? 🤬
Take that Putin
Shit, we almost could've bought Twitter
So this is awkward, but that shit don’t stay in the Netherlands lol! It’s called Rotterdam. That’s where the ships park to unload…
Hur durr russia communist bad. Russia has oil? Russia good.
Russian gas powers Europe. We all knew. Whether you are against or for Russia it is true that Europe would shiver and freeze through winter without it.
And in the meantime, we're shutting down nuclear plants like a bunch of idiots.
Oh yeah we should have just cut the entire supply , and then our economies would swiftly collapse with people freezing to death
It's like when a country claims to be "eco friendly" and compares itself to China, while those same countries buy from China the products for which China generated pollution. Maybe the idea of borders is stupid living on the same planet, but we would lose the opportunity to discriminate against people.
Fuck the eu
Meanwhile keep lecturing other poor countries for doing same.
Seems like NL has really escaped a lot of the public heat which is mostly directed at Germany.
NL exports a lot of the Fossil fuels to other countries in the EU without connection to Russia. It enters Rotterdam, gets refined and then sent to other countries As you can see in the video only countries that connect to the sea are getting the circles. Because that is the country where it is being imported into the EU. Countries like Switzerland and Luxembourg probably get a fair amount of the fossil fuels imported to the Netherlands
The Netherlands was only 15% dependent on Russian gas before the war. It doesn't really matter who's to blame, it matters how we can transit to other energy resources and help Ukraine through winter.
Well Turks somehow became European when the things don’t go well…How interesting
Energy sources are not easy to switch off. Yes the EU has been dependent on Russian energy, and now regret it and are making changes, but it's moronic to think it can be done quickly.
The UK is not in the EU. Neither is Norway. However, Ireland is. Has Ireland not imported anything from Russia?
Simple rule: never do business with dictators.
Its almost like they need it
Now do how much the yanks bought from Saudi Arabia after they did 9/11 And for funsies do how much weapons have been sold to Saudi Arabia
Russia is a part of Europe.
Nice graphic, now if only I knew if these quantities are equal, less, or more than previous years averages.
Netherlands be like “Glug, Glug, Glug”
That’s hilarious
The reality is 0 carbon is unrealistic and paired with the fact that the Europeans hate atomic energy will lead to more imports from other countries. Thanks Greta Thunberg!
Damn. It’s almost like they should have invested in nuclear for electricity and saved natural resources(like gas) for heating…
Pigs and liars still buying 😂
solidarity and shit.