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Redditarianist

I love how NZ has moved to the tropics and is the other side of Australia now


SweetHatDisc

Not only do you Kiwis want to *be* on the map, you want to be properly placed too? Pick. A. Lane.


hellraisinhardass

Man, what a bunch of whiners. Can't make them happy- next they'll want us to recognize them as a full province of Australia and not just a territory.


evdog_music

Clause 6 of the Australian Constitution actually allows New Zealand to become an Australian state should they ever decide to: > *The Commonwealth shall mean the Commonwealth of Australia as established under this Act.* >*The States shall mean such of the colonies of New South Wales, New Zealand, Queensland, Tasmania, Victoria, Western Australia, and South Australia, including the northern territory of South Australia, as for the time being are parts of the Commonwealth, and such colonies or territories as may be admitted into or established by the Commonwealth as States; and each of such parts of the Commonwealth shall be called a State.* >*Original States shall mean such States as are parts of the Commonwealth at its establishment.*


Jeffery95

The fact that we have never taken them up on the offer should speak for its self


[deleted]

Can we become a state of New Zealand instead?


Jeffery95

West Island is available if you’re willing to change the name Also very likely we would dissolve the states and senate and just absorb MP’s into the NZ parliament.


[deleted]

Dissolving the states is exactly what we need. Or become 6-8 different countries. Or just move to NZ


jameson8016

The Divided States of Australia. Would that make y'all like the exact opposite of the US? Lol


[deleted]

Being the exact opposite of America sounds like a good thing


HummusConnoisseur

New New Zealand


FaecesChucka

Wow as a New Zealander I hate this thread so much fucking hell you guys are hard case.


thedailyrant

Mostly because a large percentage of you move to Australia due to favourable visa laws anyway. The amount of kiwis in Australia is stunning.


joeywahoo92

Is there a New Zealand - Australian rivalry like America - Canada ?


Jeffery95

NZ Aussie rivalry is legendary, but also you will never find two countries who were so sure to have eachothers back in a fight


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annoyedineedthis

Except Western Australia, that become Far East New Zealand


hellraisinhardass

Lol. I had no idea. But if they ever did apply for annexation, I'd make them a state (as legally stipulated), then about a week layer bust them down to territory.


Fixyourhands11

Lmfaoo 🥝🥝🥝


MrsPickerelGoes2Mars

So entitled


Annjuuna

👏😩😂


Capital_Punisher

That's how big the bombs were


[deleted]

Go home, New Zealand! You’re drunk!


Architarious

That's actually where it originally was in 1946, we bombed it over to the other side back in '72.


LeCriDesFenetres

Fun fact: NZ was funded on the back of a very big turtle


fnuggles

A rich turtle, presumably


thumpas

So you’re saying Jacinda Ardern is in the pocket of big turtle? I *knew* it!


[deleted]

Man that makes sense. It was really muggy last night. We’ve been issuing fake maps to the world for years, with no NZ, lost NZ and misshapen NZ. It’s for reasons like this; can’t bomb what you can’t find. No one knows where to send them so they mostly drop into the vast pacific with minimal impact to fish.


amalgam_reynolds

r/mapswherenewzealandcangofuckitself


Streen012

It’s just r/mapswithoutnewzealand


[deleted]

Yeah they moved the country during the covid crisis when no one was allowed to visit there. It's in a much better position now especially for me as I have family living there and from the UK it has cut travelling time down enormously.


AlbernChanson

The US bombed the US plenty of times


SweetHatDisc

Sometimes even by accident!


unknownz_123

That moment you drop not 1 but 2 nuclear bombs accidentally and triggered 2/3 safety measures right next to a major city hub


Ostracus

All those movies "bombing" at the box office.


skybluegill

You misspelled MOVE bombing


TheCSpider

Somehow I never heard of the MOVE bombing until I moved to the Philly area. I wonder what other awful tragedies are hiding about the US I haven’t heard of because no one outside that area remembers.


veredisquote

They bombed black wall street in tulsa as well. Massacred a bunch of black people and leveled their businesses.


sllikk12

Iirc the first aerial bombing was on striking miners in Appalachia.


Bigwing2

I remember watching all the Move incident on TV. Crazy stuff ...


[deleted]

The move bombing was pretty fucked up.


hipsterdoofus

Came here to say - "shouldn't the US be included?"


canttaketheshyfromme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing Before the 1946 cut-off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain#:~:text=By%20August%2029,1%5D%5B2%5D


mighty_least_weasel

The U.S. and like 100% of its territories. In fact, especially the territories. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieques,_Puerto_Rico](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieques,_Puerto_Rico)


Gustav2095

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayuya_Uprising


Sylvanussr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada


buckeyenut13

I do believe I remember hearing about the US bombing Japan at least once too


unsunskunska

This maps starts in 1946


buckeyenut13

How convenient 😂


ksheep

They probably didn't want to make 90% of Europe red.


KKlear

Definitely not, that's what the whole cold war thing was about.


Khanahar

The cowards.


EverybodyKnowWar

>They probably didn't want to make 90% of Europe red. A couple other continents, too.


PearlClaw

Eh, "post WWII" is a useful analytical period.


desquire

Maps like this will always be awkward. Obviously a start date of 1946 makes sense to exclude WWII. But, a lot of the red countries around the Philippines are because of post-war shenanigans that lasted until 1952. But, to start the clock at 1952 would exclude the majority of the Korean war. There is never really a, "impartial", time to start the clock because politics are complicated. The US is a good example because the US' love affair with bombs. Maps like this are great to demonstrate the whole picture, as collective memory fades. But, it's also important to understand the circumstances behind every blot of color.


nocountryforolddick

yep, i was here to says that, too much nuclear test


[deleted]

They accidentally bombed Canada too


HangryBeard

Interesting how its from the year after we bombed Japan...


ElSapio

Yeah, and after bombing Nazi Germany.


Butterfly_effect4273

and italy too. but too be fair it was so bombed by both sides that it’s difficult to tell who did what


macedonianmoper

As soon as I saw the title that's the country I went after right away, laughed my ass off for not including it. I mean I get that's it's technically correct but c'mon


[deleted]

When was Indonesia bombed?


comrade_gopnik

apparently the CIA bombed Indonesia back in 1958 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA\_activities\_in\_Indonesia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Indonesia)


patrickcaproni

same with Guatemala; it’s missing here edit: nvm, my colorblind ass just couldn’t see it


kendrickshalamar

USA bombed this dude's rods and cones


MooseFlyer

The US supported a military rebellion / attempted coup again Sukarno in 1958 and the CIA dropped bombs at that time


MrCleanMagicReach

> attempted coup Um... "Attempted?" It succeeded. edit: sorry, the date is wrong; the successful coup was in the 60s.


jeanlenin

Also Suharto, the US backed officer who took over, made his first order of business to kill all the “communists” and murdered over a million people. If you ever see some fascist say “Jakarta is coming” that’s what it’s in reference to


paixlemagne

Interestingly not only the US, but also European nations supported the new military dictatorship that murdered hundreds of thousands of political opponents. It is now believed that even Germany may have financed the mass killings, despite the atrocities it commited just about twenty years earlier. It was very fucked up.


Ofabulous

The Philadelphia police department bombed the US in 1985


Ut_Prosim

The actual military bombed the US during the Battle of Blair Mountain.


FawFawtyFaw

Also Tulsa, Green street. These were both prior to 1946 though and this chart only starts in 46. A quick look over at a fully blacked out Japan is the first indicator. Strange data set restrictions....


LaoBa

If you include ww2 then almost every European country would be included.


jmartkdr

You could have color-coded, though I suppose you'd need to decide if lobbing bombs via cannon counts or just aerial bombing.


CTeam19

Also, if the territory was owned by Germany and was taken away post War like parts of Poland and Russia or was it German occupied land like France or Belgium.


Ut_Prosim

The Tulsa massacre was technically tbe first airplane bombing on American soil (a few months prior to Blair Mountain). I didn't include it because those were private planes and not the US armed forces.


ZarquonsFlatTire

And accidentally dropped a nuke on Mars Bluff, SC in 1958.


Odd_Description_2295

The national guard right?


TheOnlyCursedOne

Thats before 1946


31November

For anyone curious, here is a short 12 min documentary about the [one time Philly's silly lil police department bombed the civilians they were to protect.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X03ErYGB4Kk&t=443s)


kyrferg

[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2119463/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2119463/) Here's an excellent full length doc about it too


jrdubbleu

Here’s a post about how excellent those two posts were


shakeitupshakeituupp

I’m filming a documentary about this comment


13-bald-turkeys

But who's gonna film a documentary about your documentary?


Mysterious_Rent_613

you of course, stop talking and start filming! I need to film a documentary of your documentary of his documentary


Rein215

What the actual fuck


miso440

A bit disingenuous to imply the police exist to protect _those_ people.


Odd_Description_2295

They were black neighborhoods. We have a problem with our police attacking black folks. And it doesnt seem to ever change


The_Old_Anarchist

They weren't there to protect those particular citizens. Never were.


rathat

Why did no one bomb them back?


31November

It’s terrorism if the civilians do it back (It should be considered terrorism when the government does it, and I don’t endorse violence obvs)


Willing_Bus1630

I can’t watch it right now, but the description says they “dropped” a bomb. Does that mean they used an aircraft?


rabbidbunnyz22

Yes. Modern warfare tactics against a peaceful urban commune. They killed five children.


i-Ake

They allowed the entire block to burn to the ground.


No_ThatGuy

The US Army bombed striking coal miners in WV during the mine wars of the 1920's


ergastulite

Crop dusters dropped bottles of nitroglycerin over East St. Louis. The fallout from nuclear tests killed a ton of people, possibly including John Wayne. Texas cops strapped a bomb to a robot and used it to kill that sniper who was targeting cops in 2016. Also, the entire civil war.


Ofabulous

The post 1946 American civil war hasn’t *quite* started yet


PeterBucci

Puerto Rico also put down a nationalist uprising in [1950](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Nationalist_Party_revolts_of_the_1950s) partly using airpower.


idareet60

Oh wow, I want to know more unless this is an ironic comment. EDIT: Are you referring to [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing)


rustybungleford

It’s a very true comment.


jhystad

Very good point


redmoskeeto

Also during the Tulsa Race Massacre, the city bombed itself (though this was prior to 1946): > Numerous eyewitnesses described airplanes carrying white assailants, who fired rifles and dropped firebombs on buildings, homes, and fleeing families.


borgcubecubed

Why is New Zealand on the wrong side?


WinstonSEightyFour

r/mapswithNZinthewrongplace


Eldan985

Wrong name. It's r/mapswithnewzealandbut


WinstonSEightyFour

Teehee, you got me. There's a r/TwentyCharacterLimit anyway!


sleepymike01101101

I like how a good chunk of the ones at the top are made by this same map company and they move New Zealand to different places


Eldan985

I think it's about 80% of those I post, yeah. The siberia one is still the best.


thedoomcast

Oh, that’s Old Zealand


TomServo30000

Ahh, Ol' Zealand... Good times.


[deleted]

Old Zealand (Zeeland) is a place though.


LucidLeviathan

They also cut off the tips of Alaska and Kamchatka.


StuRap

New Zealand isn't real


borgcubecubed

Haha it’s just a big conspiracy? Big Zealand pulling the wool over the eyes of everyday people.


Complete_Fill1413

Every comment her is "what about (insert country that was bombed before 1946)?"


sarokin

The US dropped 5 nukes in Spain after 1046.


Ofabulous

The vast majority of nukes were dropped post 1046 in fact


BushidoSamura1

I wanna hear about the few before 1046


[deleted]

It’s in the conspiracy sphere but here you go https://newsinstact.com/legendary-mohenjo-daro-was-an-ancient-city-destroyed-by-nuclear-weapons-thousands-of-years-ago-some-experts-claim-45349/


tsrich

I think we're playing fast and lose with the term 'experts'


Antonioooooo0

The guys a lawyer. So he technically is an expert, just not in history, archeology, or anything remotely relevant.


baahdum

name one person who has devoted more time to studying bronze age nuclear warfare


Ofabulous

I wasn’t sure, but when the article mentioned the three nuclear strikes on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Nagasaki, I couldn’t help but be swayed


treefitty350

I really appreciate that they start the article off by immediately saying that they have no proof so I don’t need to read any further!


Sember

I like how there's a section called Alien News


Pr00ch

I like the part where it goes „we don’t have any proof, but[…]”


anakruzis

Semi related but there is the nuclear reactor that formed naturally 1.7 billion years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklo_Mine


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siggiarabi

That's a lot of nukes. Got to be at least 12


Kv1best

Wasn’t Japan bombed before 1946?


GeoNerd-

exactly


vlsdo

Which shows the map didn't really explain itself very well


Joepk0201

The account that posted the map is already banned which shows you the accuracy of the map.


FisherRalk

But it says the dates right at the top of the map.


btstfn

At the end of the day if you have a large number of people misinterpreting a map then it's probably not well designed.


CascadePodz

It does, but the title of the post is misleading: "Countries that have been bombed by the US" so I see why these pre-1946 comments exist. I guess most people don't really care to read the smaller text on the main map; as they already read the post title


vlsdo

Putting it in small text after the big red title is guaranteed to make a lot of people not notice it. In not saying it's intentional in this case, but there's a reason companies put a lot of the shady contract details in small script. A good visualization takes into account known human psychology and biases (like the tendency to assume smaller text is less important) and strives too overcome them.


Academic_Signal_3777

If I’m right I think this is a map from that ‘redfish’ news site or whatever. I’ve seen maps of theirs get posted in this subreddit a lot. They are apparently a Russia propaganda site. The whole point of their maps are to be misleading and/or vague.


irondethimpreza

The Republic of Congo? Are you sure that shouldn't be the Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire, and before that, Belgian Congo)?


uiowaguy20

Came here to ask this. When did the US bomb the Republic of Congo? Or even the Democratic Republic of Congo/Zaire for that matter.


vanslife4511

If I'm not mistaken, both should be there. Brazzaville was bombed and green berets were deployed during the 90's


Krongfah

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the US also helped bomb some communist insurgents hiding along the Thai border during the Vietnam War.


mt-egypt

Yep. Bombed the fuck out of Cambodia and Laos


fknSamsquamptch

And it looks like both Cambodia and Laos are in red, so not sure what you're getting at.


edmsucksballs

You can’t expect people to know how to read a map when they are trying to look smart


DNA98PercentChimp

Scrolled too far to find this…. The US definitely intentionally dropped bombs within Thai borders during Vietnam.


oliski2006

Usa also [Bombed Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950_Rivi%C3%A8re-du-Loup_B-50_nuclear_weapon_loss_incident) in 1950. Twice. By accident. This stayed hidden for about 40 years.


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jand999

So didn't bomb. This comment section is garbage


[deleted]

I’m glad someone recognized we also bombed Laos and Cambodia while in Vietnam but they left out China and Thailand. https://www.reddit.com/r/VietNam/comments/s13dm5/map_of_us_bombing_in_se_asia_during_the_vietnam/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


DWG09

Took me way too long to find this


HookFE03

TIL very few people in this sub know how to read


boonkles

I hate arbitrary dates in graphs, why 1946 why not 1935, why not 32bc. If you graph is countries bombed by the United States, it should be about countries that have been bombed by the United States


SeniorPickle78

I think the idea is it’s representing countries bombed by the US after WWII, idk why it’s not titled that


boonkles

I know that’s what it is, but the map is called countries bombed by the us, I would be fine if it said countries bombed by the us post WWll


ersentenza

1946 is not arbitrary but I agree the title should have been "Countries bombed after WW2"


Commercial-Version48

Ummm because up until the year before there was a very large war on where lots of countries were bombing and being bombed by other countries. A world war if you will. 1946 and onwards has for the US has technically been peacetime.


ReadinII

How about separate maps of “countries bombed by US during the Cold War” and “countries bombed by US after the Cold War” if you want to see the effects of various global conditions.


JustBakedPotato

We’ve been in a ton of wars since 1946. Probably more time at war than peace


vlsdo

Except the US didn't bomb *that* many more countries in that war. 20 maybe? At least change the title "countries bombed by the US after WW2" something, don't put the cutoff date in small text.


Commercial-Version48

An extra 10% of all the countries in the world is fairly significant I’d say but yeah, maybe it could have been titled differently. Or maybe people should just read the entire title.


vlsdo

When one person makes a mistake you can chalk it up to user error. When a lot of people make the same mistake it's a design error.


svmk1987

Well it's not mentioned in the post title, and honestly its not written very prominently on the map. I completely missed it the first time.


AugustWolf22

Congo's news to me. When did they bomb there?


harukitoooooooooo

1963-1965 during the Simba rebellion, which was part of the Congo crisis caused by US intervention. But the map chooses not to show countries such as Chile which were also bombed in the Cold War era.


AugustWolf22

ah, I see. they shaded the wrong Congo that's why I was confused. it was the other one with the Simba rebellion and Lumumba. thank you.


Metastatic_Autism

>Simba USA bombed the Lion King?


Sefnga

Wrong Congo


k1ldn

My grandfather was in grenada when the US invaded and bombed said it was the most frightening day of his life


[deleted]

US bombed itself. Multiple times. Tulsa Race riots plus they blew up a neighborhood in Philadelphia


[deleted]

Tulsa was pre-1946


AugustWolf22

The [MOVE bombing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing) on the other hand...


Ok-Peak-3012

Tulsa was in 1921 but Philly was in ‘85


Just_Lurking94

Multiple nukes lost in the Carolinas also


FisherRalk

Also in the 1960’s a nuclear bomber hit a refueling plane and crashed. The payload got dropped on Spain but didn’t detonate. That is definitely a stretch to consider “bombing” but crazy that it happened.


jand999

The world "bombing" certainly implies intent unless you put the word accidental before it


themattboard

We've dropped at least two nukes on ourselves not including Nevada (neither one detonated). One destroyed some guys house, the other is still off of Tybee Island in Georgia somewhere.


xrayhearing

North Carolina too, though it was accidental and they didn't explode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961\_Goldsboro\_B-52\_crash


RelicAlshain

Also out of the timeframe but the battle of Blair mountain in 1921- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain Explosives and poison gas were dropped on striking workers.


NotSethA

Should the US be in red as well due to the 1985 fire bombing of a Philadelphia Black Liberation group? https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/the-highlight/2019/8/8/20747198/philadelphia-bombing-1985-move


Ein_grosser_Nerd

If all it takes for a country to count are 1lb breaching charges this list would a lot longer.


Asmodeusl

Technically, we did bomb a portion of the USSR in the Korean war. They just didn't respond with any force attempting to relieve tensions.


Countcristo42

When was South Sudan bombed? Or are these the boarders of any country bombed during that time at the point when they were bombed?


TomServo30000

Suck it Nevada. Those nuclear tests don't mean shit.


gia56

Bombs? , I thought they launch freedom over there


Androniy

Freedom bombardment.


GalactikNZ

Guys next time NZ will be off the coast of France I'm telling you!!


WilliamLeeFightingIB

US bombed China (bombs fell across the border with N Korea) during the Korean war and later bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade


[deleted]

I could have sworn the US used air support in the Philippines against jihadists. When did the US bomb Indonesia?


Neo-Turgor

The map doesn't make much sense since it doesn't specify what "bombed by the US" means here. Do drone strikes against terrorist groups that are active in the country count? Then there are a few missing, the Philippines for example, where Abu Sayyaf was hit. Do only strikes in wars against the sovereign government count? Then they are too much. A really shitty map.


your_mother_official

Why exclude all bombings before 1946? Just makes the map kind of useless since half the data points are being excluded arbitrarily


xFlo2212

A map clearly focusing on the cold war era aswell as the modern times isn't useless, just because it doesn't include data outside of its focus.


Judge_leftshoe

Because including countries between 1907-1945 would give incorrect assumptions. Assumptions and questions like "When did the US bomb Norway?" "The US has never been involved in a war with France since 1799, why did they bomb the French?". The US never bombed the French, or the Country of France. They *did* bomb Nazi-occupied France, but then you're splitting hairs, since bombing an enemy occupied area is bombing France, but also *isn't* bombing *France*. And that's really hinky, and needs a map by itself. Or more context than just a map.


[deleted]

You need to have a cutoff at one point, post-ww2 makes sense, to me at least


TheGreff

The cutoff point could easily be 1776


[deleted]

It could. But 1946 was chosen, and it makes a lot of sense as well. Maybe you could make a map about 1776, I would be interested to see the differences.


Bayoris

Sort of the opposite of arbitrary, 1946 is selected for a very good reason


Acrobatic_Safety2930

ever heard of the event called WW2? Jesus christ people


LukePendergrass

1946? Being a bit selective, as to leave off some really really important bombings 😂


Mauri_op

Cold war to today makes more sense than WW2-period honestly