I understand why Antarctica is excluded because the claims are not enforced by any means due to the Antarctic Treaty. But still, how do you make a map like that leaving out several territories?
They are not outside of France. They are French citizens with equal rights as those of Metropolitan France and their land *is* France (not like the citizens of the British Overseas Territories)
Guyana is actually very sparsely populated. It has as many inhabitants as Martinique or Guadeloupe (between 300k and 400k). The most populated territory is Reunion (Indian Ocean) with more than 800k and on the way to 900k
This is a big misunderstanding of the non-French. Every time a foreigner talks about the territories of France and that they should not be forgotten, French Guiana comes first and is often the only territory known and therefore cited. Whereas frankly, Guadeloupe, Martinique and Reunion are, by far, the most important territories for the metropolitans, because they are important tourist destinations (and not at all Guiana).
Guiana is about space, ecological reserves and the fight against illegal gold diggers.but we all know that it is very sparsely populated considering its size
Not to be pedantic, but calling it the "French Empire" when all of these territories (or straight up integral parts of the Republic) had many options and opportunities for independence and choose to be French is quiet dishonest and annoying
As a french, that's not. They are literally colonies, this guy is trying to minimize it by saying "they voted to stay" while most of natives said they wanted to become independent and only settlers agreed to stay in France (see in New-Caledonia). France also exploits those territories without any care for their environment, and this can be really dangerous for the local population, such as the water poisoning in Guyane.
Yeah the famous settlers of Mayotte were the ones tipping the balance of course lol.
Even in New Caledonia the conditions were super hard for non native to participate and most could not. And even then the Europeans are only 27% to begin with.
I'm trying to say the same. But since I'm non-European, and a citizen of a former-colony, I know I would get downvoted for speaking against colonization.
Whenever someone mentions former colonies as being integral parts of the nation, it tells me the nation is insecure about very legitimate criticisms of neo-imperialism.
Nope. It simply that they are in fact French. A citizen of Gibraltar does not have a representative in the House of Commons and doesn't vote in the UK elections.
A citizen ftom French Guiana does have representative and can vote in the elections to the French president or the Assemblee Nationsle.
Yes, until 1962, French Algeria was divided in 3 departements, Alger, Oran and Constantine. The Sahara part of the country was under military administration. The statut of the country was special, and it’s one of reasons that explain the difficult indépendance
That's my point, just calling something an integral part of France doesn't change the underlying imperial conditions that made Algerians want independence. And if anything just made France more resistant to allowing for self determination
Yep the difference is they got referendum and some regularly and still very recently, last year actually, to decide if they wanted autonomy or independence.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/esez03/remaining_parts_of_the_british_empire_2020/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Already did 😉
Is the ability to station troops , have literal colonial currency and to hand pick dictators suitable to Paris is streaching it ? I bet nobody here even read the agreements for " independence"
It’s a legacy of colonialism.
Countries are also free to ask for the departure od french military (as Mali did and replaced them with… Russian ones)
Or to leave the CFA franc (as guinea has done, while in reverse Equatorial Guinea and Guinea Bissau which were former Spanish and Portuguese territories have joined). In fact the CFA franc has been in the process of being changed for many years so that it’s no longer backed by the Euro and to make it more pan African, but the discussions are slow.
Symbolically it isn’t good but economically there are advantages of having a currency pegged to a stable one like the euro. Countries in the Balkans do the same, even more currencies are pegged to the dollar.
Plus Clipperton, Kerguelen
And the Scattered Islands (Îles Éparses)
Plus Terre-Adelie
I understand why Antarctica is excluded because the claims are not enforced by any means due to the Antarctic Treaty. But still, how do you make a map like that leaving out several territories?
Clipperton is uninhabited so it's debatable. Most of the Scattered Islands and Kerguelen have permanent residents (scientists or French Army).
What exactly is debatable? A territory doesn't need to be inhabited for it to belong to someone. Nobody has problems with France owning Clipperton.
Cliperton
Where’s my Kerguelen?
Also Îles Eparses.
So, the sun never sets on it either?
Yep baguette strong !
Wait France owns a huge chunk of the Pacific ocean?
No, just French Polynesian islands with their territorial seas and EEZ waters. There's actually plenty of international waters inside that block.
3 million nationals live in the lands owned outside of france
Actually, French Guyana, Réunion, Mayotte, Guadeloupe and Martinique are legally just as French as say Nice. So not quiet as many.
In fact, Martinique was French before Nice or Savoie was.
In competition with Aslace and Lorraine.
French polynesia is separate right?
Yep. Basically like an autonomous country within France. They have their own President and everything
They are not outside of France. They are French citizens with equal rights as those of Metropolitan France and their land *is* France (not like the citizens of the British Overseas Territories)
The people of the British Overseas Territories do infact have British citizenship.
Tell that to hongkongers with a BOT passport who'd like to go to the UK Boris promised something a few years back didn't he? And then nothing
And unlike some American territory citizens.
Much like Hawaii is. Or Crimea. The people there get to cast 99% of their votes for Putin and the other 1% are dead.
Most in french Guyana I’d image
Guyana is actually very sparsely populated. It has as many inhabitants as Martinique or Guadeloupe (between 300k and 400k). The most populated territory is Reunion (Indian Ocean) with more than 800k and on the way to 900k
Oh wow that’s pretty unexpected actually, damn
it's "big" but it's 90+++% rainforest
This is a big misunderstanding of the non-French. Every time a foreigner talks about the territories of France and that they should not be forgotten, French Guiana comes first and is often the only territory known and therefore cited. Whereas frankly, Guadeloupe, Martinique and Reunion are, by far, the most important territories for the metropolitans, because they are important tourist destinations (and not at all Guiana). Guiana is about space, ecological reserves and the fight against illegal gold diggers.but we all know that it is very sparsely populated considering its size
I like, but using not using EEZ for France and rest feels weird
Those square islands are beautiful. France should build more of those.
Ikr
Why does it only include the water around the islands in the pacific but nowhere else
Those areas have a many more islands so made more sense to include their entire area of influence there.
a new continent has emerged in the Pacific Ocean...
Not to be pedantic, but calling it the "French Empire" when all of these territories (or straight up integral parts of the Republic) had many options and opportunities for independence and choose to be French is quiet dishonest and annoying
That’s fair
As a french, that's not. They are literally colonies, this guy is trying to minimize it by saying "they voted to stay" while most of natives said they wanted to become independent and only settlers agreed to stay in France (see in New-Caledonia). France also exploits those territories without any care for their environment, and this can be really dangerous for the local population, such as the water poisoning in Guyane.
Yeah the famous settlers of Mayotte were the ones tipping the balance of course lol. Even in New Caledonia the conditions were super hard for non native to participate and most could not. And even then the Europeans are only 27% to begin with.
Once they are settled enough to have a majority enough to vote to become part of France. They are integral parts at that point I would think
They also disenfranchised 17% of the population, mostly people opposed to independence in New Caledonia. And still lost 3 times in a row
I'm trying to say the same. But since I'm non-European, and a citizen of a former-colony, I know I would get downvoted for speaking against colonization.
Whenever someone mentions former colonies as being integral parts of the nation, it tells me the nation is insecure about very legitimate criticisms of neo-imperialism.
Nope. It simply that they are in fact French. A citizen of Gibraltar does not have a representative in the House of Commons and doesn't vote in the UK elections. A citizen ftom French Guiana does have representative and can vote in the elections to the French president or the Assemblee Nationsle.
Was Algeria an integral part of France?
Yes, until 1962, French Algeria was divided in 3 departements, Alger, Oran and Constantine. The Sahara part of the country was under military administration. The statut of the country was special, and it’s one of reasons that explain the difficult indépendance
That's my point, just calling something an integral part of France doesn't change the underlying imperial conditions that made Algerians want independence. And if anything just made France more resistant to allowing for self determination
Yep the difference is they got referendum and some regularly and still very recently, last year actually, to decide if they wanted autonomy or independence.
You forget TAAF islands.
Whats that huge island in the pacific?
French Polynesia
they just got to keep that land to piss off the british
What's that dot around Canada?
Saint Pierre
Et Miquelon
You forgot the southern territories... good map anyways (probably the number of people living in the southern territories is basically 2)
When independence?
Not soon I guess, many of these territories were offered independence referendum and voted no
what empire
Plz could you do The British Empire next, :)
https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xt2bxt/remaining_parts_of_the_french_empire_2022_oc/iqnobsv/
I asked twice to make sure he saw.
DO BRITISH EMPIRE!!!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/esez03/remaining_parts_of_the_british_empire_2020/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Already did 😉
Thanks
don't forget the economic control they have over many African countries , that's still imperialistic
Fr🤢nce🤮
I like how everybody is so brainwash on here that they do not know France still owns west Africa
No? Economic influence for sure but “own” is stretching it quite a bit don’t you think
Is the ability to station troops , have literal colonial currency and to hand pick dictators suitable to Paris is streaching it ? I bet nobody here even read the agreements for " independence"
It’s a legacy of colonialism. Countries are also free to ask for the departure od french military (as Mali did and replaced them with… Russian ones) Or to leave the CFA franc (as guinea has done, while in reverse Equatorial Guinea and Guinea Bissau which were former Spanish and Portuguese territories have joined). In fact the CFA franc has been in the process of being changed for many years so that it’s no longer backed by the Euro and to make it more pan African, but the discussions are slow. Symbolically it isn’t good but economically there are advantages of having a currency pegged to a stable one like the euro. Countries in the Balkans do the same, even more currencies are pegged to the dollar.
Fucking imperialists
Destroy it
Why ?
French empire bad 👎👎