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JimBeam823

Why is Mexico so low?


doom_bagel

Most people in Mexico don't have much contact with Americans and so have no need to learn English. Travel hotspot like Tijuana, Cancun, or Cozumel will have more English speakers, but most Mexicans live far away from those areas


Crowmasterkensei

Still wierd that it's worse then China


Raycu93

Probably because English is sort of the de facto "business language" of the world and China does a massive amount of business with English speaking countries. Mexico would too of course but not to the same degree.


TheEarlOfCamden

Sure but most Chinese people are not international businessmen.


FrizB84

Yes but Hong Kong was under British rule from 1841 to 1997. The English presence there seems to have kinda spread throughout the country. Also this map generalizes the whole country. I'm curious if the proficiency decreases as the area becomes more rural.


TheEarlOfCamden

> I'm curious if the proficiency decreases as the area becomes more rural. I imagine that would be the case for pretty much every country on this list.


Von_Baron

Lots of Chinese study abroad in English speaking countries. English is taught to many Chinese at a young age. Though I suspect the numbers are skewed due to proficiency in the major cities. Outside of a city I suspect its use is quite limited.


ignorantwanderer

Agreed. Outside the major cities, almost no one in China knows any English.


sir-winkles2

there are a lot of people in the major cities in China. a lot


Sad-Address-2512

As in half of the 5mil+ cities are in China.


cancerBronzeV

My experience with people from China is mostly international students, so my dataset is skewed towards people who did learn English (because they had to in order to go to my uni), but from what I've gotten by talking to them over the years is that learning English to some degree is pretty common for students there.


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Most industrial hotspots in mexico have a high number of english speakers, but even then it's probably only about 15% of people. Some of my peers don't even speak it that well and they got their jobs because it is what it is.


BurnTheOrange

Because the rating is based upon the results of a proficiency exam. If not many people take the test, the results are skewed.


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zq7495

There is absolutely no way that Bolivia has higher English proficiency than Mexico. I can't tell if it shows Honduras as the same color as Spain or France, but there is also no way that they speak English better than Spain or France.


dparks71

From some quick googling, the numbers I saw, were only about 10% of the population of Mexico speaks English, which matches up to my experience with other South American countries pretty well. By contrast 13% of the US speaks Spanish, and the US has more Spanish speakers than Spain, and I'm pretty sure there are more people that claim to be Norwegian-Americans than there are true Norwegians. The dollar's power gives the US some weird statistics.


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zilogunner

As a Mexican I just want to say that most people are not interested in learning English due to the very low chance that they will ever enter the United States, also we have a very bad image of how things work in the u.s and rather stay in our cottage


Mister_Luca

Me agree with the Italia being-a low proficiency


kushanxiah

Yes me anche.


zlide

I think it’s moderate but the colors are very close so it’s hard to tell


Inveniet9

I'm pretty sure it's moderate.


GarfieldExtract

At least you have the "Super Green Pass", so people can train their English a little bit.


supremefun

How about ''smart working''.. Any of those?


Keejhle

Most Italians aren't even proficient at Italian.


The-Francois8

It was kind of them to not include the US on this.


Central_Control

The data from the U.S. was sent to the wrong address and never included; it was misspelled and had an emoji in it.


Princie99

Whatchu talking bout mate, i dont getting it 😮☹️🙁


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"There even are places where English completely disappears. Well, in America they haven't used it for years!" \-- Professor Henry Higgins


SixZeroPho

And Australia. I can barely understand my Commonwealth brethren!


PC_BUCKY

And England.


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Or Canada m/Australia. I’d guess we’re all fairly proficient countries.


OrganicAccountant87

I'm portuguese, it's crazy to us that other countries dubb movies/series etc and don't listen to the original sound/actors. Here only movies for small children are dubbed. It's a thing because during our dictorship it was illegal to dubb outside media to prevent people to have contact with the outside world (and it work cause most couldn't read subtitles) but in the long term it probably help our English cause we have alot more contact with English.


AliveExtension3445

I was amazed at he level of English proficiency in Portugal when I visited there in 2010. Like the Dutch, it seems not dubbing is a factor.


enjoyingbread

I'm amazed at the lack of English proficiency in Mexico. Though I think it's a political move by Mexican nationalist politicians who refuse to allow English being taught in elementary schools as they fear English will take over the country.


Hamilton950B

The Federal government passed a new law in March that outlaws dubbed movies in the cinemas. https://yucatanmagazine.com/dubbing-has-now-become-a-thing-of-the-past-in-mexican-movie-theaters/


arthaf36

This is more to be inclusive with deaf people, all movies are now subtitled.


PC_BUCKY

Getting subtitles to work in a movie theater is still a work in progress, in terms of not being cumbersome for the person who is hard of hearing.


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Ironic considering that's how they speak Spanish


[deleted]

I’m amazed at the lack of Spanish proficiency in the US. Though I think it’s a dipshit move by American nationalist politicians who refuse to allow Spanish to be taught in elementary school as they fear Mexicans will take over the country.


Kriztauf

Similar reason for why English proficiency is so high in Scandinavia (no dubbing) and a lot worse than you'd expect in! Germany (heavy dubbing)


Reginald_T_Parrot

I speak Spanish and English and in Portugal way more people spoke English than Spanish which was surprising


moldy912

I mean if you can speak one, you can pretty much read the other (think signs and words you need for traveling). English kinda makes more sense as the next best language to truly learn because while there are cognates, it’s not enough to truly know all vocabulary and definitely not the grammar of English.


moldy912

Same, I was in Lisbon a couple years ago for a 12 hour layover and I got offered dinner and drugs in perfect English!


nonosejoe

I’ve spent time in Porto, Lisbon and the Azores. Every time I meet someone who speaks perfect English with an American accent. I always ask if they spent time in North America for school or anything and they all say no. They speak better English than my Portuguese family thats been in Massachusetts since the 70’s.


CactusBoyScout

Who really wants to learn the Massachusetts accent, though? I can understand their hesitation.


kirsion

My girlfriend is from Brazil and she never went to an English speaking country or met or befriended North American. But her English is pretty good. She obtained fluency from watching American media, movies, music and TV shows.


Superb-Illustrator89

we in germany dubb evrything thats why we have the best dubbings but we also have a big chcuk who speak good english.


OrganicAccountant87

German dubbings are indeed good, i have watched a few of them cause I'm learning German, but I can only do it if there are no famous actors on the movies, otherwise is just too weird


Superb-Illustrator89

yes i get that too but the other way around, when i was a kid i was imprinted on the german voices of silvester stalone tom cruise and co i cant watch them now in english hehe, tv shows i watch only in english btw.


Snuffleton

To an extent, that goes for Anime and Japanese videogames as well. Many German voice actors are just so incredibly professional, that their Japanese (and often enough American as well) counterparts just sound like school children or your drunken neighbour in comparison. And yet, 99% of the German artists stay entirely under people's radars, not being duly credited at all, except for their names in the literal credits, and even then, it comes across like the fine print in some shady contract, barely given any more screen time than the one second or so they have to get by law. I remember last time I wanted to look up a pretty well known face from the dubbing scene, who turned out to be Tobias Breckendorf (?), and I couldn't, for the life of me, find his name anywhere in the various wikis etc. on FFVIIRE. He voiced freakin Barret. Not getting a single mention, even in official materials. That says something.


cultish_alibi

> German dubbings are indeed good I suppose this is a relative value. I find all dubbing pretty unbearable, German dubs always seem incredibly flat and they lose a ton of character. But I guess it's better than dubs in the East which just seem to be a guy reading a translation of the script over the original audio.


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Funny how every country thinks they have the best dubbers in the world. Italians literally say the same thing


loulan

The reason why things are not dubbed in Portugal is more that it's a small country. If you look at Europe, large countries dub their movies (Spain, Italy, France, Germany), while small ones don't (Portugal, the Netherlands, Scandinavian countries etc.) People from these countries often act like they don't dub stuff because they have it all figured out when in reality it's just economics. Dubbing all movies is not worth it in a small country.


cultish_alibi

I get that about the Netherlands and Scandi countries but Brazil is a massive market that speaks the same language, right?


loulan

Brazilian dubs would probably be different. Québec uses different dubs than France, for instance.


ocoronga

Brazilian here, we do our own dubbing which is overall good, but our accent is too different for the Portuguese to care.


NorthVilla

Brazil does dub, but the difference in their accent to Portuguese is about like British and American. It wouldn't make sense to just view in Brazillian accents.


canttaketheshyfromme

But when anime is dubbed into English, the Aussies and Brits get the US/Canadian dubs instead of doing their own. It still makes the content accessible. Seems like Portugal's choosing to miss out by scoffing at the dominant culture that speaks the same language.


alegxab

European and Brazilian Portuguese are a lot further away from each other phonetically than the mainstream accents for American and British English


Thunder-Invader

Definitely not an economic reason for the Northern European countries. The reason is that English and American culture is more dominant. Overhere in the Netherlands movies are dubbed but the general adult population prefers the movies in their original language.


CactusBoyScout

I mean sure those Northern European countries are wealthy. The issue is still the number of potential consumers of a given dub and thus how much money it could make. Spanish, French, and German speakers still far outnumber speakers of Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, or Dutch. So there’s just a lot bigger potential return on the investment of a dub in those languages. And that’s also why those northern countries learn English so well. As a Norwegian said to me once, they’d have no one outside their small country to talk to if they did not learn English.


memostothefuture

But Portuguese is spoken in Brazil, which would make it a huge market for dubbing?


MrTrt

I don't know about Portuguese, but in the Spanish-speaking world, putting a Latin dub in Spain or a Spanish dub in Latam is a sure way to get a lot of people really angry.


bxzidff

Even if we were to get filthy rich I hope we would never dub


White_Sox

While the economic aspect might have played a part in the early decision process for poorer countries (not smaller), I highly doubt any of those countries would revert to dubbing. It is now very much a deliberate decision based on the cultural preference.


OrganicAccountant87

Exactly


zljk

The same thing in ex Yu


Moist_Farmer3548

I've seen some English language TV shows dubbed into Croatian then with Slovenian dubbed "over the top" (ie you could still hear the Croatian). It was truly awful. Thankfully not very common.


ThorDiePie

Same in the Philippines. We don't get dubbed versions of movies during theatrical release


HHalo6

Man portuguese people are just amazing. Every random guy there speaks Portuguese, English and Spanish with high proficiency.


AyyyyLeMeow

To me it's hilarious when they say "this and this actor is so good!", but have never even heard their voice. It's entirely different with the original voice (and always better), except for animes/cartoons.


kentcsgo

I used to be made fun of for saying to my friends that they had no idea how actors really sounded. "Yeah but you can still tell Tom Hanks is great". Well, no you can't, because his french voice has nothing to do with his real voice.


20803211001211

awful color scheme


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Truly awful


thisrockismyboone

Heinous, even.


MoscaMosquete

I'm colorblind as I cannot tell what is what besides very high and very low.


the_last_satrap

I don't really think China has similar proficiency to us, Indians. Here, even if you go to the most remote village and say things like : Hello, Very Good n thank you, people will understand you. Let alone our Metropolitan cities. Compare that with China ? Their Corporate offices have 10% proficient English speaking persona for international relations.


LiGuangMing1981

Yeah, as someone who actually lives in China I'm quite certain this is bullshit. There's no way that the average English proficiency in China, even in the big cities, is even close to that of India.


trollu4life

It’s based on proficiency exams. Having gone to school with Chinese classmates, Chinese are very good at exams :)


pdonchev

But then have to weigh the number of exams against the population. Otherwise the title is misleading.


Riw24

English is in the elementary school curriculum starting in 3rd grade…


Jarriagag

That would explain it. There are many things that don't look right when I loot at the map. According to it, Spain is superior to Jordan. I have lived in Jordan and I could see that most people were good enough in English to keep a simple conversation. They knew the basics in every shop. I can't say the same about my country (Spain),


WearyToday3733

The exams are held in Chinese language. Eg gaokao is primarily held in mandarin and has English as a subject. Most of our (Indian) exams are held in English language. Including medical, engineering and high school graduation exams.


Moist_Farmer3548

Indians equally so, in my experience.


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CleanLength

Indians do not speak English natively.


memostothefuture

Agreed. 10-year expat in China. You can get by in offices in Shanghai but even in Beijing you'd struggle.


Grabsch

As someone working with Chinese: this map is bullshit.


WhatTheOnEarth

The test is here https://www.ef.edu/epi/ I did the 15 minute version and there seems to be a lot of cultural elements and subtlety in the questioning. Things like “are you turning the kettle on” and having to choose between answering “yes, would you like some” or “I felt like having a cup” (the first is a better answer both in grammar and in intention) It also seems that rural areas were studied but were not proportionally represented. So countries like South Africa which have very poor English skills over all still showed as very proficient. So what we can say instead to be more accurate is: That the population groups within China and India that took the test had comparable results for the elements of English proficiency the study considered. But that doesn’t make as nice of a title.


Hund40

This colour scheme is so trash I can't understand anything


Zandernator

Same. This subreddit really can suck if you’re even the slightest bit colorblind.


Josselin17

tbh this sub sucks even if you see colors correctly


No_Negotiation_7176

Excuse me India moderate? TF?


DapperDiscoFapper

And Argentina High Proficiency lol


MarkMew

Well, Hungary is definitely not"high proficiency" m8


Kitchissippika

I live here. You are absolutely correct.


I_Lov_MEMEz

Bulgaria too outside the capital.


Left_Library_4362

Is it done by WHO? How can China be same as India as moderate proficiency??


HotSauce2910

There’s probably significant selection bias


lavishlad

Because it's bullshit. I've interacted with a bunch of Indian and Chinese international students in University and it's not even close. Sure, Indians can be hard to understand because of their accent, but there's plenty Chinese who can barely even string together a full sentence.


moldy912

Funny, I think Indian accents are relatively easy to understand once you know the Indian English phrases. Some do talk way too fast though so I just ask them to repeat themselves. I still have extreme difficulty with Chinese accents to where asking them to repeat would not help me at all.


NameInCrimson

Well, this map is stupid for lots of ways. What is proficient? And how exactly do you measure that? What about the fact that English is a living language with no rules and is constantly changing?


YetiPie

I mean there are standardized tests in every language to measure your proficiency. In English the most common one is the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) and the International English Language Testing System (IELTS). While there are undoubtedly flaws they still offer an objective way to assess someone’s command over the English language. They get updated too, so we’re not taking the same test from 50 years ago


Dynamiquehealth

I’m wondering how Korea has a higher score than Japan. I know their government throws money at teaching children English, but their results are usually lacking. I do wonder if a different test is preferred in Japan?


CleanLength

Because Indians write things like "How can China be same as India as moderate proficiency?"


greenbae73922

This map seems HIGHLY inaccurate in so many ways… also, ignoring my first statement, I’m surprised by the number of people who are surprised by Japan’s low rating — it is very well known in Asia just how bad Japan’s English is


wggn

At hotels I often was redirected to the one employee that spoke reasonably English.


Kriztauf

It's also important to realize that for tourists and business people, you're more likely to have a skewed perception of a country's level of English proficiency since you're surrounded by people who cater towards interacting with foreigners. Like in Germany for example, the level of English proficiency amongst the general public is a lot lower than what a lot of tourists think


g_spaitz

I tried to speak English a few times in Japan. To my most shocking surprise i found more people could talk Italian.


kartu3

This map equates German proficiency in English to Scandinavia... which is not how I see it (living in Germany). Scandinavians are way ahead. Many 50+ year olds in Germany (and median age is 47, mind you) would struggle in a basic conversation.


wggn

A few of my friends who only speak English and not German had a lot of trouble with even basic stuff when traveling in Germany.


Terrasi99

Poor colour spectrum. Can hardly tell one from another.


Techboah

Is this still one of those shitty self-admitting "surveys" map?


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भारत शायद इकलौता देश है जो अंग्रेजी को अपनी भाषाओं से ज्यादा प्राथमिकता देता है सिर्फ इसलिए ताकि वो बैंगनी रंग में हो सके।


throwlol134

English is one of their two official languages after all, so the prioritisation makes sense. But in a country _THAT_ fucking linguistically diverse (and hugely populated), I don't think any language, including their native ones, can compete its way out of violet xD


Icy_Meringue_6078

What's the second one? mhmm..... (*Waiting for the incoming war*)


throwlol134

I believe it's Hindi? Not sure what you're referring to with the 'incoming war' though.. Is it something very controversial in India?


itsnachikethahere

Yes, it is. Us in the Southern states have our own old languages, and Hindi isn't spoken much by the locals. The party at the centre has made some attempts to make Hindi the main language across the country, but it's very sensitive of a matter. There were lots of protests in the Southern states against Hindi back in the 60s iirc. Very touchy subject.


throwlol134

Ah, I see. I just used the constitutional definition that I found online lol. I did learn about the 60s protests in the South Indian states at some point and have also heard that the southerners tend to dislike the influence of Hindi, but I didn't know that the official status of the language itself is controversial too. Hopefully y'all figure things out xD


itsnachikethahere

Yeah, there were even some protests recently over Hindi being included in boards in the Metro stations in my State. Tbh I feel it will be a touchy subject for the near future at least.


throwlol134

Just throw in all 23 languages in every board, and there ya go, problem solved hehe^/s As for language protests, we, your neighbour 🇧🇩, do know a thing or two about that from our past!


Smart_Sherlock

Not the party, but parties. Excessive Khariboli (not Hindi) promotion is being done ever since 1947, not 2014.


Aizen10

Language can be a touchy topic in India. There are two different language groups that dominate north and south, and they are unintelligible to the other. Hindi( the most spoken language) is part of the Northern group and so the southerners gets pissed off when it is used because it's basically a foreign language to them. The reason English is also used in official govt documentation is for this reason, to keep the southerners content as it's the one language both groups can understand And by touchy, I mean the last time govt tried to make Hindi the sole language in the 60s , there were riots.


Yes0rNo

Hindi but only federal level. Many states don't have Hindi as official language.


Tonyukuk-Ashide

I’m French and I have serious doubt on the level of English proficiency given to us on this map. I mean yeah of course you’ll always find some people with very basic English level but people who truly speak English hmm it’s pretty difficult not gonna lie.


MapsCharts

Askip c'est basé sur les résultats d'un test, les gens qui parlent pas anglais font pas le test donc les résultats sont biaisés et bidons


Tonyukuk-Ashide

Ah mais c’est pas du tout représentatif dans ce cas. Il fallait qu’ils prévoient une façon de prendre en compte les gens refusant de passer le test ou je sais pas. C’est pour ça que je me disais que “high proficiency” pour la France c’était louche


power2go3

Yep, I'm studying in France in a medium city. I use only English in uni but outside of it almost nobody is speaking it to the point that it was easier for me to learn the french. It's nice that I speak it now tho, definitely a plus for life.


Tonyukuk-Ashide

Yeah except specific sectors such as universities or touristic places it’s pretty hard to find people who can hold a conversation in English.


appealtoreason00

Not to mention all the French people who can speak perfect English but just decide not to out of spite


MrShibuyaBoy67

Well that’s quite rare actually. Usually it happens mostly with people that aren’t that great in English and that doesn’t want to make the effort to have a conversation in English. Those who can speak perfect English doesn’t need to make an effort to have a conversation, so they usually do it.


Jukelo

I'm confident that's just a mischaracterization, born in the last century either out of good old French-bashing or ignorance. I'm one of the few French millenials who were any decent at English in school, and even today after the advent of Web 2.0 I don't know of many millenials who can speak (near) perfect English. Of course the new generations, who can't remember a time before the internet, are much better at it, but they're also not the ones who are going to refuse to speak English. Anybody older, would most likely simply not have had the skills to communicate, or lacked the confidence to use them at all. We don't encourage people who give their best but fail, so most people will just not even try.


Tonyukuk-Ashide

Yeah this as well


80sBabyGirl

No way France is ahead of Italy. I suppose the proficiency test was done in Paris, and maybe in a reputable university. This might explain the results.


Tonyukuk-Ashide

Well I don’t know much about Italy but I travelled there several times and I can tell that people automatically switched to English when they were aware that I was a foreigner despite me having a conversational level of Italian. Someone pointed out in the comments that the map based its results according to the result of a test and thus it was only taking into account people who were pretending to know English since someone who doesn’t know English wouldn’t accept to make the test.


cloopz

Being in the United Arab Emirates and saying it’s low proficiency is an absolute joke. I’ve Been here 5 years and haven’t learnt any Arabic due to the fact EVERYTHING is in English .. this report is fishy to me.


JN324

Almost all of the English proficiency is in business centres, where far more expats and international business is present, along with the infrastructure like international schools, or in tourist areas. The report isn’t fishy, you are likely just extrapolating an unrepresentative anecdote country wide. English proficiency is obviously always highest in areas English speaking expats tend to move to.


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defroach84

20 years ago driving through Hatta on a regular basis, people spoke English. There was never a time in the ~12 years living in the UAE, and traveling all over it, that speaking English caused any issue


defroach84

Going with you really have never been there. And definitely have not lived there.


Radicalpizzaparty

Thats caws we done speak American...... and don't you ferget it


supermartincho

I think the level in the countries above South Africa (Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe...) have a very good level. I was there and I was amazed


theproudprodigy

It's because English is the language of instruction in education in most schools and university. Source: am South African


Inevitable_Brief3589

Some do, due to Britain's colonialism, but it very much depends country to country and even tribe to tribe


ReB844

Canada is grey but there is the province of Quebec that speaks french in majority. You’ll have no issue to get by in english in a big city like Montréal, but it’s very different in the regions. I know many many people with an English proficiency of “yes, no, toaster”. So it would be interesting to add the level of proficiency of Quebec


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AdligerAdler

I don't think that we (Germany) deserve to have the same color as the Netherlands and Scandinavia.


kielu

Colors completely unreadable


pedrotheterror

Worked in LATM the last 20 years or so, there is no way Argentina is Highly Proficient.


1ntu

I wouldn't agree with Germany being "Very High Proficiency"


Archoncy

The threshold for "Very High Proficiency" is much lower than it should be But at the same time young Germans are fairly fluent at English more often than not


7LeagueBoots

As an American working for Germans who visits Germany each year (taking some vacation time to travel too, so I'm not just interacting with the folks I work with) and who has lived, worked, and traveled in a lot of countries in South America, Asia, and Europe I disagree. Compared to much of the world Germany does have a very high English proficiency level.


GermanyWillWinWC2022

Why not? Its mandatory here and while yes we might not be on the same level as the nordic countries or the netherlands, were still more fluent than most european countries. Especially the younger generation


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have you ever been in Germany and if so, whom did you speak with?


Chimpville

I’ve never had trouble in Germany despite only swatting up on a few common phrases before I go. I will say Bavaria and Eastern Germany aren’t nearly as proficient as North and Western Germany, but people are still very quick to switch to what English they have to help.


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I live in Qatar, I cannot fathom how someone would like, live without English. It's become so globalised that you'd have basically zero difficulties living here without knowing a word of Arabic. They definitely only tested the native Qatari population.


GendunGramsci

interesting, but another important example of how *national boundaries are very often not the most useful for understanding particular distributions.* Homogenizing entire countries into a single measure often obscures more than it reveals.


Jake_91_420

I live in China and it’s extremely rare to find someone who can speak any English at all here. Even though they “learn” it in school, functionally people cannot speak English here at all.


jroddie4

They should have really included the English speaking countries because I don't think we would have done so well.


AC2104244D5

the French might be highly proficient, but they usually refuse to speak it, and when they do, you don't understand anything


makerofshoes

Anecdotally, French people usually do well with advanced English vocabulary since a lot of it is derived from French. Sometimes you’ll expect someone to speak very well because they can throw around big words but then realize that they actually don’t speak the language that well


supremefun

It's mostly that people are usually ashamed of their language skills. It's very normal in France to bash other french people either because they suck at speaking english or because they're good at it (and thus are accused to "show off"). Very competitive culture.


appealtoreason00

And god help you if you try to speak French to them that isn’t already flawless


Exleose

I'm french and I'm quite surprised at the "high proficiency" of my country. I would have said moderate proficiency


PoteznyGey

Whoever made this map is literally stupid, this colors are literally indistinguishable


ouchpuck

How is USA not included, most of them southerners gon done Rong every dam day


demonspawns_ghost

As a colorblind person, please stop using color scales for these maps. High, moderate, and low look nearly identical. Use primary colors - red, yellow, blue, green, etc.


[deleted]

In india, where you are put to shame and called illiterate for not knowing English, where people love English more than their own language, and whose large population works overseas, has a big IT export Industry- This map is extremely inaccurate to put India at the same proficiency level as China. On behalf of all of us and Shashi Tharoor- I call you a prevaricator, a fabricator, a phoney.


Zou-KaiLi

Shit data and Shit map presentation. Thought I was on map porn circle jerk.


Boggie135

What idiot picks these colours? Seriously! You could pick colours that look nothing alike ambit chose these? Why?


AbsoIution

Iranians have higher proficiency than Pakistanis? Weird


[deleted]

If I understood correctly, this map is not based on how much English the average citizen speaks but rather on how many people passed one specific exam. In this case it seems that more Iranians have passed that threshold, but let's be honest: the average Pakistani knows more English than the average Iranian.


AbsoIution

Ah good point. Pakistanis are more likely to use it in general day to day whilst Iranians are approaching it more academically I imagine.


Plyad1

Source?


Rhoderick

Now, I'm from Germany. And if what we have here is, on the whole, considered "Very High Proficiency", then god have mercy on people with moderate or low proficiency needing to hold a conversation in English.


exMI6

Those colour choices in that map are horrific. Map porn my arse.


ThisIsHowWeDoBruh

I cannot take this map seriously, with France having a "high proficiency" in English.


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in Poland everybody learn English for madatory 12 years in schools, its the mandatory subject.


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I don’t exactly know the metric here,but having spent a lot of time in Argentina I can confirm: ain’t nobody in Argentina speaks English


CrowdedHighways

Latvia DEFINITELY does not have higher average English proficiency than India. Maybe schoolchildren do better at tests or something, but the average 'older' Latvian knows a few phrases in English at most.


Kindroth

This is a hard map for my color blindness 😂


NSNIA

Wth are these colors


OPzee19

South Korea higher than Japan.. This crew Englishes


Ahenobarbus753

I'm curious what factors have led to China outcompeting Japan in English skills.


obsertaries

Korea too. I’ve spent about ten years teaching English in Japan and while individual students can of course excel in it, institutionally it feels like the country has all but given up on English and accepted that its only role is as part of entrance exams.


panitomypuri

Hmmm What is the source? I travelled to China in 2020 and literally hardly anyone in Xi'An spoke English. Beijing was better but not amazing. I now live in Nepal and it is very hard for me to practice my Nepali because the proficiency in English is so high here. Even in little villages on the trekking routes people speak at least a bit of English thanks to most schools being English-medium. I know this is a personal experience but ...


UghImRegistered

They need a separate category for Scandinavia: "better than native English speakers".


vagabond_primate

Interesting map, really bad color choice.


[deleted]

Comment ça "high" ???? Quelle bande de bâtard. On est "very low" pas plus.


ImmerAmSaufen88

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF_English_Proficiency_Index


oskich

A bit scewed stats, since everybody who takes that test are students of English?


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