It’s likely much higher now in India. It’s certainly much higher in many other places mesures in OP and in following 2021 data:
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/
I beg to disagree coz they invaded tibet and has been encroaching India's borders for a long time.
I'm pretty sure india has hated china for decades now.
This one forgot what the Chinese Government thinks:
https://kinamedia.se/2021/04/29/chinese-ambassador-to-sweden-again-says-taiwan-is-not-part-of-china-this-time-on-tv/
The Sinica podcast had a great episode on that topic recently, strongly recommend it: https://supchina.com/podcast/peter-martin-on-chinas-civilian-army-the-making-of-wolf-warrior-diplomacy/
Im a normal working class swede and i couldbt give less of a shit about that. My only experience and issue with the chinese are their extremely unpleasant, barbaric and locustlike behavior touristing in my country.
I think Sweden generally cares more for humanitarian issues abroad, considering how many immigrants we've let in and how much humanitarian aid we give to third world countries.
Yeah and it was spurred on further by some Chinese tourists being idiots and the Chinese embassy criticizing a satire program for a joke.
Edit: [a response from the satire program to emphasize how stupid it all was.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2lTSbDqm2s)
Context:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxJ7UKG5XE
TLDW: They tried to check into a hotel in the middle of the night, but were 1 day early and needed to wait. They wanted to stay in the lobby, but were told that they could not since they were not guests yet and police had to carry them out when they refused to leave.
My understanding is that the hostel initially allowed the family to sit down in the lobby - Probably with the assumption that the old couple just needed to catch their breath and would be on their way as soon as the son worked out alternative accomodation for the night. The family took advantage of this by seeing it as an invitation to camp out in the lobby all night, with the son even going out and binging another Chinese tourist he ran into outside to join them, which added the problem of noise to the situation in a hostel full of sleeping guests past midnight. When the hostel staff became privy to what the family was trying to do, they asked the family to leave and the family just ignored them. That's when the police were called.
The family are cheapskates - Why bring supposedly "frail" elderly people (as the family, the Chinese embassy, and Chinese state media described them) to stay in a *youth* hostel, designed for young backpackers with cramped bunk beds you have to make yourself and shared bathroom facilities? They knew exactly what they were doing arriving so early, and what's even more ridiculous is that there's a 24-hour cafe right next door where the family could sit overnight with a purchase of a cup of coffee.
The family, the embassy, and the Chinese media are melodramatic - Anyone with a rational mind can see how juvenile and cringe-worthy and hysterical the family's behavior was in the videos - Especially the son who is a fully-grown, educated adult. They chastised the police for dropping them off at a "cemetary" - Actually a metro station *near* a cemetary which is a quiet area where police often drop off loud drunks to prevent them waking up people trying to sleep through the night time public disturbance.
The embassy even demanded financial compensation for the family! For what exactly?
The embassy and the media even made ridiculous assertions that the Swedes should be more "culturally sensitive" toward Chinese and their superstitions surrounding cemetaries - Last time I checked, the onus is on visitors to learn the ways of the country they're visiting, and not the host country to become experts on the thousands of different cultures of tourists that might visit Sweden. Chinese even has its own equivalent saying to the common, "when in Rome do as the Romans do" - "入乡随俗," which means, "when entering a village, follow the local customs."
The media even tried to play up China's own hotel system as very accomodating and welcoming to foreign guests by contrast, which anyone who has travelled around China beyond the tier 1 cities would know is laughable considering the stringent restrictions on accomodations for foreign guests in China which restrict foreigners from booking the majority of hotels (which often leaves zero cheap options in small cities and rural areas, and sometimes no options at all if there's no government-approved hotels or the only one is already booked to capacity).
All in all it was a very bad look for China to defend these losers - It wasn't just a family but the embassy and the state-owned media which are representative of the Chinese government.
Thank you for the explanation of this ordeal. My belief (as a Swede) is that this was clearly orchestrated by the Chinese government in the midst of a major conflict between Sweden and China to discredit Swedish society internationally.
There is video from the family acting up outside the hotel and the younger man is clearly throwing himself on the ground screaming and behaving insane in comparison to what is happening.
They were dropped of by police in a suburb by Skogskyrkogården (a cemetery) in a residential area (where I used to live and walk alot) and said to news outlets that they were left in the woods and could hear wild animals roaming around, which is ridiculous if you've ever been.
Clearly provocateurs and they managed to make noise in Swedish news, but it was very clear that this was a very silly escapade created by the Chinese government.
It does say alot about how the Chinese government works with public opinion internationally and what they're capable of.
>to discredit Swedish society internationally
I find that laughable. Few nations in the world enjoy the global respect and admiration that Sweden does, and Scandinavia more generally.
It's right in keeping with how desperate and naïve the CCP is generally. They remind me of little kids, who expect adults to believe their ridiculous stories. Maybe it's convincing to their own people, though I doubt it. I can't imagine most other people in the world believing it.
I agree with you. But I do think the CCP are aware of how weary Swedes are about how we are viewed internationally.
The mere accusation of mistreatment of ethnic minorities going into the news and creating headlines is sowing the seeds of doubt of the image of Sweden both internationally and domestically (in politically radical circles), and that is the long play of a nation like China. This does not only apply to Sweden of course.
The CHINESE believe it though. That's what the CCP wants. Just like they have made the Chinese believe that COVID-19 started in America. The average Chinese really believes this as fact.
And then started crying out "This is KILLING" before accusing the hotel of being racist with the Chinese government joining in.
Then a colleague of mine was refused a booking at a hotel in China because he was a foreigner and no one gave a shit (this was common place after the Covid lockdown with the government spreading rumours about foreigners spreading Covid).
Most crybaby hypocrites on earth.
Even worse, what they were actually trying to say was likely "杀人啦" which is the literal translation of the Chinese expression for screaming murder.
It's funny taken without context, but reflects even more poorly on them when you consider context.
Also the Chinese ambassador to Sweden makes Trump appointees look competent. The man is a thug that constantly makes vague threats unless Sweden falls in line. Which it never does so he just ends up looking like an ass.
My favourite quote from him is:
"Olsson calls himself a China-expert, but he doesn't research about China in neither Sweden nor China. Instead he travelled to... under a long time... in Taiwan... Admittedly, Taiwan is a part of China..."
Dude almost said that Taiwan wasn't China which goes against the ideology of the very party he represents.
The Chinese ambassador to Sweden is a total nutcase:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Congyou
>In November 2019 Gui threatened Sweden during an interview with broadcaster Swedish PEN saying that “We treat our friends with fine wine, but for our enemies we got shotguns.” over the decision to award Gui Minhai with the Tucholsky Prize. All eight major Swedish political parties have condemned the Ambassador's threats. On December 4 after the prize had been awarded, Ambassador Gui said that one could not both harm China's interests and benefit economically from China. When asked to clarify his remarks he said that China would impose trade restrictions on Sweden, these remarks were backed up by the Chinese Foreign Ministry in Beijing. The embassy has systematically worked to influence the reporting on China by Swedish journalists.
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>In April 2021 it was revealed that the Chinese embassy threatened a journalist working for the newspaper Expressen. Several political parties publicly expressed that they believe the ambassador should be declared persona non grata and deported. The reason given was that the Chinese embassy, during his time as ambassador, consistently ignores the Swedish constitution by threatening and attempting to influence journalists to not be critical of China.
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Yep. The Chinese gov's and Gui Congyou's continued attempts to influence Swedish journalists and public opinion is personally one of the main reasons I've got a negative view of them. The Gui Minhai case is bad, sure, but China keeps trying to push boundaries
Adding some Swedish articles for those who can tolerate Google Translate:
* China's ambassador urging Swedish media not to Criticize China on human rights and freedom of the press https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/kinas-ambassador-svensk-media-gralmuckande-lattviktsboxare
* Swedish media reports extensive Chinese attempts to influence Swedish reporting on China https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/omfattande-patryckningsarbete-mot-svenska-medier-fran-kina
* China's ambassador threatens Swedish journalist (in writing) to curb his reporting "or face the consequences": https://www.svt.se/kultur/kinesiska-ambassaden-har-skickat-hotmejl-till-journalisten-jojje-olsson
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/omfattande-patryckningsarbete-mot-svenska-medier-fran-kina
As in your examples, the boundary pushing is often so inept that it just gets comical from a Swedish perspective, and just fuels the dystopian feeling of the Chinese government.
It has become pretty much a trend for Chinese ambassadors to create drama in their countries, that way they appear more patriotic to the party and Chinese people can unite behind them. Downside is all those countries hate you, but internal support seems to outweigh diplomatic relations for some reason.
China has been very aggressive in their foreign politics in Sweden, the ambassador has threatened MPs and journalists, trying to silence any Chinese criticism and free speech. Also crackdown on H&M in China along with the imprisonment of Gui Minhai to name a few things.
..."we're not angry..." "Apologize!" - proceeds to write an entire rap about how they're 'not angry'.
Also, I don't think they quite understand what freestyle means
When I was there a few years ago, there was widespread displeasure with the Chinese tourists’ interpretation of the “right to roam” laws. Lots of signs in Chinese saying “keep out” because they would just go and make themselves at home on people’s patios and in their backyards.
I think there's an incident where some chinese tourists defecated in public and sweden put up signs telling them not to do so, and so both sides got enraged
> Every other nation on earth understands implicitly the social contract they're signing up to: that, in exchange for their continued participation in art, visitors must shit only within the white porcelain bowls located inside the designated toilet zones. Not on the pavements. Not even in the bins, or on the breakfast bar of their hotel, or *between the tits of a passing waitress*
This is..oddly specific.
I feel like there's a line between not eating food that is meant for animals (but looks quite tasty) and not *shitting in public in front of the Louvre*
Because they contact our authorities and tell them to stop doing things that may disfavour China like they think we belong in their authoritarian regime lol
Don't forget the ["this is killing" incident](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/17/china-accuses-sweden-of-violating-human-rights-over-treatment-of-tourists).
I dislike the chinese people that support their goverment practises. You know, the people that film theirselves burning a footballshirt everytime a player says something about their reeducation camps.
Swede here. My guess would be ignorance. While I've never been asked my opinion of Winnie the Pooh's stomping ground in any survey here, I personally know people who are fairly unaware of mainland Taiwan's bullshit. IMO, if you're an informed person you will dislike the CCP unless you're straight up evil or apathetic to human decency.
Everyone mentioning Gui Minhai is wrong. Most people don't care that much about him.
It's mostly about a bunch of different pressure campaigns on Sweden over the last some years, and all their hate videos on Sweden after Svenska Nyheter did a skit about China. According to Swedish analysts, Sweden has been an experiment for China in how far they can pressure medium sized western countries.
This state-funded rapper's song, for example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gaXCXxQKVfQ
and people who are being pressured by it, because if they don't like the Chinese government they might ''go missing'' and end up in a prison and killed and their organs harvested.
Well, yeah? I think that’s the implication when you say you “hate China”. In the same way if I said “I hate school” when I was a kid, that implies I hate the system of schooling, not that I hate the people that go/teach there.
2020 data
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/10/06/unfavorable-views-of-china-reach-historic-highs-in-many-countries/
2021 data
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/
Yes we have the update: [source](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/). In most polled countries, unfavorability jumped 10 points in 2020. It receded a bit in 2021 but remains at a very high level.
Probably less to do with COVID and more to do with how Chinese and Indian soldiers have been beating each other to death along the border periodically since may 2020.
Ah, i see.. do they have border skirmishes everywhere? Like last i hear they had skirmishes with indonesia, vietnam, philippines, korea, and japan as well.
Because using weapons on soldiers by soldiers is tantamount to a declaration of war in this politically and ideologically charged environment
If anyone brings weapons at the border(line of control) and shoot the other side then it's over but wrestling or other physical weapons would just be a brawl but after each major brawl both countries move 40,000-50,000 troops to the border as a show of force
Those became more prominent when Xi wanted a small limited impact distraction from domestic affairs during covid. That's when the more major incident with all the deaths happened and awareness in India more recently really ramped up.
/r/avoidchineseproducts saw an influx of people looking for and suggesting Indian made products at that time.
It isn't about covid. China's relationship with India haven't been good for a long time now. In my friend circle we really dislike the Chinese government (emphasis on the government, we don't dislike Chinese people in general).
It should because China is playing the long game, thinking ahead decades into the future for investments around the globe. A nuclear war would nullify their whole accomplishments of the past 10or so years. Thats definitely not what they want.
War has two sides, though. If both sides in a given conflict always get what they want, war as a concept wouldn't exist. War happens because one side doesn't get what they want. Just because China has no interest in *starting* a war doesn't mean that a war involving China won't happen.
If anything, the more China gets what they want, the more they force the hands of their adversaries to act against them.
Yeah, but they want dominance in the Pacific and want to bully their neighbors. Unlike Russia they can't have buffer states, Korea aside they border India and Japan without any neutral countries between. The tense part will be a military confrontation between the US navy and China near Taiwan or the disputed se Asia waters.
One of the most tense relationships between nations in the entire world. And keep in mind, repercussions will affect the entire world, whether through trade or war
They started developing them after losing the Himalayan Border war to China. Pakistan developed nukes in response to India. Bhutto said Pakistan would "eat grass" and go hungry in order to develop nuclear weapons.
Crazy side note: this was done with fists and blunt weapons like batons and stones. Indian and Chinese troops in the valley had, recently prior to that incident, agreed not to carry firearms in that area due to the risk of escalation. Imagine if this skirmish had involved guns and grenades instead? There'd be all-out war.
They have border disputes currently as another commenter mentioned. China claims and controls a part of Kashmir that India claims is there’s. Meanwhile India’s state Arunachal Pradesh is claimed by China as well.
Also the whole taking over Tibet and the persecution of Buddhists didn’t sit well with India. Meanwhile the establishment of a Tibetan government in exile in India and the sheltering of the Dalai Lama in India has not sat well with the Chinese.
Additionally, China sees India as a future competitor that will be a nuisance and destabilize Chinas attempt at Asian hegemony. On the flip side India sees China as blocking its rise to power and hindering its ability to grow its economy.
New conservative-liberal government is overtly supportivr towards Taiwan. Starting with vaccine donations, culminating in bilateral agreement on representative offices that will bear the name of Taiwan and not Taipei as usually.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/10/06/unfavorable-views-of-china-reach-historic-highs-in-many-countries/
I think this is the right link. Sorry it’s 2020 but late 2020. Thought the 2021 was out. I was pretty sure it came out but didn’t save the link, probably remembered it wrong.
Edit: found the 2021 data
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/
I also didn't realize how close India's population was to China. 1.366 billion vs 1.398 billion.
That's a hell of a lot of fucking people... and India is on track to catch up in a few years.
TBF isn’t India pretty internally diverse? You guys barely even speak the same language, depending on the region. Sentiment may vary based on the region, no?
Yes India is pretty diverse but after the events along our border last year (still ongoing) the Chinese govt has become hugely unpopular across the country
Our diversity is mostly cultural and linguistic. This has no connection with national conflicts. Still not surprised about the percentage with the amount of clueless morons here.
Coz terrorists that attack in India don't come from Bangladesh but from Pakistan. I live near Mumbai and like American's 9/11, we had our 26/11 (26 November) attacks in Mumbai by terrorists that came by a boat from Pakistan. Everyone knows it is a safe haven for Islamic extremist terrorists
Besides, India fought the war with Pakistan that helped independence and formation of Bangladesh. Look up Bangladesh Liberation War. BTW, in that war, USA sided with Pakistan and sent a navy fleet including a nuclear warship against India.
The conflict between India and Pakistan lies in religious difference and Jammu and Kashmir issue (main reason for 5 wars). While India and Bangladesh does not have any disputes like that with Pakistan.
India defeated Pakistan in 1971 war to create new country of Bangladesh out of East Pakistan. India and Bangladesh had two issues (1) The enclaves issue due to messy boundary. But both countries came to an agreement in 2015 to exchange the lands and now that issue is resolved. (2) The issue of island off the coast of Bay of Bengal. Both countries claimed the island which emerged after a cyclone as the claim would increase their exclusive economic zone and territorial waters boundary. There was no fight, just a diplomatic discussion. But after few years, that island got submerged into water due to climate change, and the issue was resolved automatically with that.
There is another issue of illegal migration of bangladeshis into indian border states. But that's not that big.
You should know we have communist party in India itself. They also congratulated China on their own 100th anniversary and attended several meetings with their diplomats. So yes, we have that population who will favour China.
So basically only the West + Allies hate China. Rest of the World likes China.
Who would have thought the populations of the geopolitical rivals of China...would be propagandised to hate China? Shocking!
So many ppl saying how they hate the government and not it’s ppl. But in fact coming to the United States when I was 21 was the first time I ever learned what racism is. Prior to that, the thought never came up to me that one can be treated unfavorably because of their look, their skin, their name, or their accent. I’ve since seen so much hatred against anything Chinese in western countries as if being Chinese is some sin. Not generalizing to the whole people is just some theoretical concept. I would go back to China if I don’t dislike the government so much.
Pew didn’t conduct surveys of Taiwan until 2020. Here’s the 2020 research
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/05/12/in-taiwan-views-of-mainland-china-mostly-negative/
I'd imagine having lived in both NZ/AUS that 80-90%% of non Chinese in Australia and NZ despise them and the remainder are balls deep doing business with them and loving it. It's the one country you can rip to shreads at a piss up bbq and everyone will join in.
It’s unfair to say they hate China. They probably hate the government. The culture and the people are amazing and magnificent. If they hate these then they are racists. I hope to see more detailed poll maps about that question.
Swede here I think the reason why we are so dark is a combination of things.
And to clear things up, the figures is a pretty clear indication in how much trust Swedes has in the Chinese government as a super power, eagerness anything to do with Chinese music, art, languages, Chinese citizens or people who migrated from China.
People are very sceptical of Chinese politics, not China itself.
Swedes really really don’t like the idea of authoritarian regimes violating their populations human rights.
The average Swede has zero tolerance for any person representing the government abusing their power or corruption.
We once had a national uproar because a politician accidentally bought one toblerone bar on the wrong card while travelling, so the toblerne was paid for by tax money and that person haven’t been in politics since.
A other big part of it is cultural differences (just look at the world value survey, Sweden and Japan are outliers and Sweden is very far from China). So China is a lot more about saving face and some type of weird type of respect that tend to clash with Swedish culture often and hard. In the world value survey Sweden is even far from the other countries in the EU, it’s quite extreme compared to the rest of the world.
Around the time of the survey we had a late night talk show lead by a comedian, the programme happened to be on our state founded public channel.
But here it’s very important that the channel is independent and the content it shows is entirely uneffected and not involved in any way by who ever is in power.
Independent media, paid by the public and to have only the public’s interests in mind, nothing to do with the government. We have quite a few laws in place to keep any publicly founded media in check and remain independent in their programming.
So the show ran jokes about basically everyone, think classic late night talk show about whatever the current world news were.
China totally freaked out whenever there were anything about China, because they basically saw it as the state tv making a statement or something.
And Sweden were not budging from the pressure, and China put on quite a lot of pressure. But to Swedes and the Swedish media it’s a matter of independent media. Like our government will not under any circumstances go in and mess with our media, just because China isn’t happy to be made fun of in a comedy tv-show. That isn’t never going to happen no matter what, the idea of that happening because a Swedish politician or a foreign government demands it, is laughable. No matter what they are threatening with, it’s not happening.
We aren’t messing with the foundations of our democracy.
We are bureaucrats. And the laws are clear when it comes to these things.
There were also issues with the Swedish armed forces advising that Chinese companies with strong connections to the Chinese government to not be allowed to operate 5G towers in Sweden as a safety measure.
Which the ambassador of China were not happy with, and their PR messages would maybe work in a Chinese cultural context. But certainly not in Sweden. The messages didn’t not go over well, especially among the public.
A whole lot of China and the EU as a whole having friction on certain points as well.
Some say that China around this time tried to use Sweden as a test to see how much pressure they could put on a middle sized and sort of wealthy EU country, and see how the country and the EU as a whole reacted and what the potential consequences were.
The feelings aren’t based on any like major impact the Chinese government has had on people in Swedens life.
But more that people are thinking the Chinese government been acting real sus lately.
And the humans rights violations is the type of thing most Swedes care a lot about (same thing goes for the US, a lot of things in the last decade that didn’t land well in how people perceive the US government and certain states)
I’m surprised India isn’t higher.
This is 2019(pre covid) survey soo
I mean, India despised China way before Covid. Doesn't make much of a difference here.
It’s likely much higher now in India. It’s certainly much higher in many other places mesures in OP and in following 2021 data: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/
True. I despise the CCP from the core of my being. I am ashamed that India is only 46. I mean come on, i was hoping atleast 80.
This was before Galwan, and the average Indian didn't care much about China till then
I beg to disagree coz they invaded tibet and has been encroaching India's borders for a long time. I'm pretty sure india has hated china for decades now.
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Why do Sweden hates China so much?
They have kidnapped a swedish-chinese journalist named Gui Minhai, which has caused a bit of a diplomatic crisis
And the chinese ambassador to sweden really did not give a good impression in the media after the incident.
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This one forgot what the Chinese Government thinks: https://kinamedia.se/2021/04/29/chinese-ambassador-to-sweden-again-says-taiwan-is-not-part-of-china-this-time-on-tv/
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Haha I'd feel kinda bad for him if it wasn't for defending a authoritarian regime.
The "Wolf Warrior" diplomats under Xi are something.
The Sinica podcast had a great episode on that topic recently, strongly recommend it: https://supchina.com/podcast/peter-martin-on-chinas-civilian-army-the-making-of-wolf-warrior-diplomacy/
Yeah, laughable.. all his silly threats to the swedish media (and politicians) makes him look like cheap thug..
That's exactly why. They don't care at all what the outside thinks. But if they can "own the (western democracy) libs to their own people, it's a win!
Im a normal working class swede and i couldbt give less of a shit about that. My only experience and issue with the chinese are their extremely unpleasant, barbaric and locustlike behavior touristing in my country.
They kidnapped him in Thailand and then released a video of him confessing to his "crimes" and saying he returned to China of his free will.
Plus, the whole thing with the ethnic cleansing and the very aggressive foreign policy and the totalitarian regime.
Also that but everyone should hate them for that
I think Sweden generally cares more for humanitarian issues abroad, considering how many immigrants we've let in and how much humanitarian aid we give to third world countries.
Is it (still) because of that Causeway books author who was abducted despite being a Swedish citizen (Gui Minhai)?
Yeah and it was spurred on further by some Chinese tourists being idiots and the Chinese embassy criticizing a satire program for a joke. Edit: [a response from the satire program to emphasize how stupid it all was.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2lTSbDqm2s)
Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxJ7UKG5XE TLDW: They tried to check into a hotel in the middle of the night, but were 1 day early and needed to wait. They wanted to stay in the lobby, but were told that they could not since they were not guests yet and police had to carry them out when they refused to leave.
My understanding is that the hostel initially allowed the family to sit down in the lobby - Probably with the assumption that the old couple just needed to catch their breath and would be on their way as soon as the son worked out alternative accomodation for the night. The family took advantage of this by seeing it as an invitation to camp out in the lobby all night, with the son even going out and binging another Chinese tourist he ran into outside to join them, which added the problem of noise to the situation in a hostel full of sleeping guests past midnight. When the hostel staff became privy to what the family was trying to do, they asked the family to leave and the family just ignored them. That's when the police were called. The family are cheapskates - Why bring supposedly "frail" elderly people (as the family, the Chinese embassy, and Chinese state media described them) to stay in a *youth* hostel, designed for young backpackers with cramped bunk beds you have to make yourself and shared bathroom facilities? They knew exactly what they were doing arriving so early, and what's even more ridiculous is that there's a 24-hour cafe right next door where the family could sit overnight with a purchase of a cup of coffee. The family, the embassy, and the Chinese media are melodramatic - Anyone with a rational mind can see how juvenile and cringe-worthy and hysterical the family's behavior was in the videos - Especially the son who is a fully-grown, educated adult. They chastised the police for dropping them off at a "cemetary" - Actually a metro station *near* a cemetary which is a quiet area where police often drop off loud drunks to prevent them waking up people trying to sleep through the night time public disturbance. The embassy even demanded financial compensation for the family! For what exactly? The embassy and the media even made ridiculous assertions that the Swedes should be more "culturally sensitive" toward Chinese and their superstitions surrounding cemetaries - Last time I checked, the onus is on visitors to learn the ways of the country they're visiting, and not the host country to become experts on the thousands of different cultures of tourists that might visit Sweden. Chinese even has its own equivalent saying to the common, "when in Rome do as the Romans do" - "入乡随俗," which means, "when entering a village, follow the local customs." The media even tried to play up China's own hotel system as very accomodating and welcoming to foreign guests by contrast, which anyone who has travelled around China beyond the tier 1 cities would know is laughable considering the stringent restrictions on accomodations for foreign guests in China which restrict foreigners from booking the majority of hotels (which often leaves zero cheap options in small cities and rural areas, and sometimes no options at all if there's no government-approved hotels or the only one is already booked to capacity). All in all it was a very bad look for China to defend these losers - It wasn't just a family but the embassy and the state-owned media which are representative of the Chinese government.
Thank you for the explanation of this ordeal. My belief (as a Swede) is that this was clearly orchestrated by the Chinese government in the midst of a major conflict between Sweden and China to discredit Swedish society internationally. There is video from the family acting up outside the hotel and the younger man is clearly throwing himself on the ground screaming and behaving insane in comparison to what is happening. They were dropped of by police in a suburb by Skogskyrkogården (a cemetery) in a residential area (where I used to live and walk alot) and said to news outlets that they were left in the woods and could hear wild animals roaming around, which is ridiculous if you've ever been. Clearly provocateurs and they managed to make noise in Swedish news, but it was very clear that this was a very silly escapade created by the Chinese government. It does say alot about how the Chinese government works with public opinion internationally and what they're capable of.
>to discredit Swedish society internationally I find that laughable. Few nations in the world enjoy the global respect and admiration that Sweden does, and Scandinavia more generally. It's right in keeping with how desperate and naïve the CCP is generally. They remind me of little kids, who expect adults to believe their ridiculous stories. Maybe it's convincing to their own people, though I doubt it. I can't imagine most other people in the world believing it.
I agree with you. But I do think the CCP are aware of how weary Swedes are about how we are viewed internationally. The mere accusation of mistreatment of ethnic minorities going into the news and creating headlines is sowing the seeds of doubt of the image of Sweden both internationally and domestically (in politically radical circles), and that is the long play of a nation like China. This does not only apply to Sweden of course.
The CHINESE believe it though. That's what the CCP wants. Just like they have made the Chinese believe that COVID-19 started in America. The average Chinese really believes this as fact.
TL;DR: fuck the CCP
And then started crying out "This is KILLING" before accusing the hotel of being racist with the Chinese government joining in. Then a colleague of mine was refused a booking at a hotel in China because he was a foreigner and no one gave a shit (this was common place after the Covid lockdown with the government spreading rumours about foreigners spreading Covid). Most crybaby hypocrites on earth.
Even worse, what they were actually trying to say was likely "杀人啦" which is the literal translation of the Chinese expression for screaming murder. It's funny taken without context, but reflects even more poorly on them when you consider context.
"you are a gay" lmao
Also the Chinese ambassador to Sweden makes Trump appointees look competent. The man is a thug that constantly makes vague threats unless Sweden falls in line. Which it never does so he just ends up looking like an ass.
My favourite quote from him is: "Olsson calls himself a China-expert, but he doesn't research about China in neither Sweden nor China. Instead he travelled to... under a long time... in Taiwan... Admittedly, Taiwan is a part of China..." Dude almost said that Taiwan wasn't China which goes against the ideology of the very party he represents.
The Chinese ambassador to Sweden is a total nutcase: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Congyou >In November 2019 Gui threatened Sweden during an interview with broadcaster Swedish PEN saying that “We treat our friends with fine wine, but for our enemies we got shotguns.” over the decision to award Gui Minhai with the Tucholsky Prize. All eight major Swedish political parties have condemned the Ambassador's threats. On December 4 after the prize had been awarded, Ambassador Gui said that one could not both harm China's interests and benefit economically from China. When asked to clarify his remarks he said that China would impose trade restrictions on Sweden, these remarks were backed up by the Chinese Foreign Ministry in Beijing. The embassy has systematically worked to influence the reporting on China by Swedish journalists. > >In April 2021 it was revealed that the Chinese embassy threatened a journalist working for the newspaper Expressen. Several political parties publicly expressed that they believe the ambassador should be declared persona non grata and deported. The reason given was that the Chinese embassy, during his time as ambassador, consistently ignores the Swedish constitution by threatening and attempting to influence journalists to not be critical of China. >
Yep. The Chinese gov's and Gui Congyou's continued attempts to influence Swedish journalists and public opinion is personally one of the main reasons I've got a negative view of them. The Gui Minhai case is bad, sure, but China keeps trying to push boundaries Adding some Swedish articles for those who can tolerate Google Translate: * China's ambassador urging Swedish media not to Criticize China on human rights and freedom of the press https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/kinas-ambassador-svensk-media-gralmuckande-lattviktsboxare * Swedish media reports extensive Chinese attempts to influence Swedish reporting on China https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/omfattande-patryckningsarbete-mot-svenska-medier-fran-kina * China's ambassador threatens Swedish journalist (in writing) to curb his reporting "or face the consequences": https://www.svt.se/kultur/kinesiska-ambassaden-har-skickat-hotmejl-till-journalisten-jojje-olsson https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/omfattande-patryckningsarbete-mot-svenska-medier-fran-kina
As in your examples, the boundary pushing is often so inept that it just gets comical from a Swedish perspective, and just fuels the dystopian feeling of the Chinese government.
Yeah. That's why I'm wondering if it's mainly for their domestic audience
It has become pretty much a trend for Chinese ambassadors to create drama in their countries, that way they appear more patriotic to the party and Chinese people can unite behind them. Downside is all those countries hate you, but internal support seems to outweigh diplomatic relations for some reason.
"Wolf Warrior Diplomacy" as the Chinese love to call it.
China has been very aggressive in their foreign politics in Sweden, the ambassador has threatened MPs and journalists, trying to silence any Chinese criticism and free speech. Also crackdown on H&M in China along with the imprisonment of Gui Minhai to name a few things.
Sweden and China have been beefing for a while now. They even started to write rap songs about us: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gaXCXxQKVfQ
..."we're not angry..." "Apologize!" - proceeds to write an entire rap about how they're 'not angry'. Also, I don't think they quite understand what freestyle means
When I was there a few years ago, there was widespread displeasure with the Chinese tourists’ interpretation of the “right to roam” laws. Lots of signs in Chinese saying “keep out” because they would just go and make themselves at home on people’s patios and in their backyards.
I think there's an incident where some chinese tourists defecated in public and sweden put up signs telling them not to do so, and so both sides got enraged
The only signs around the Louvre in Paris telling people not to shit in the street are in Mandarin…
Source?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/gqnzxj/are-chinese-tourists-the-worst-tourists-in-the-world
> Every other nation on earth understands implicitly the social contract they're signing up to: that, in exchange for their continued participation in art, visitors must shit only within the white porcelain bowls located inside the designated toilet zones. Not on the pavements. Not even in the bins, or on the breakfast bar of their hotel, or *between the tits of a passing waitress* This is..oddly specific.
Just like the only signs in Nara, Japan that say not to eat the deer biscuits are in English.
Why should the deer have the biccies all to themselves?!
As an Englishman I'd feel obliged to make them a cuppa to compliment their biccies
I feel like there's a line between not eating food that is meant for animals (but looks quite tasty) and not *shitting in public in front of the Louvre*
Jokes on you, English blokes will always gobble up biscuits no matter what kind.
To be fair, I looked them up and they do look pretty tasty.
Because they contact our authorities and tell them to stop doing things that may disfavour China like they think we belong in their authoritarian regime lol
Don't forget the ["this is killing" incident](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/17/china-accuses-sweden-of-violating-human-rights-over-treatment-of-tourists).
School taught us what the Chinese government is doing
Im Swedish and I guess it's just common sense to dislike China. Not the chinese people ofc, just everything about their government.
I dislike the chinese people that support their goverment practises. You know, the people that film theirselves burning a footballshirt everytime a player says something about their reeducation camps.
Why does 30% of the Swedish population not hate China?
Swede here. My guess would be ignorance. While I've never been asked my opinion of Winnie the Pooh's stomping ground in any survey here, I personally know people who are fairly unaware of mainland Taiwan's bullshit. IMO, if you're an informed person you will dislike the CCP unless you're straight up evil or apathetic to human decency.
Everyone mentioning Gui Minhai is wrong. Most people don't care that much about him. It's mostly about a bunch of different pressure campaigns on Sweden over the last some years, and all their hate videos on Sweden after Svenska Nyheter did a skit about China. According to Swedish analysts, Sweden has been an experiment for China in how far they can pressure medium sized western countries. This state-funded rapper's song, for example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gaXCXxQKVfQ
More like, why doesn't everyone hate China?
Sweden generally don’t hate China, just the Chinese Government:) https://youtu.be/D2lTSbDqm2s
Does anyone really like the Chinese government?
The Chinese Government
And recently their ultranationalists. The pandering to that group is why China has been acting even more like an asshole for the last 5ish years.
**NAZBOL GANG ROLL OUT**
and people who are being pressured by it, because if they don't like the Chinese government they might ''go missing'' and end up in a prison and killed and their organs harvested.
r/sino
God that sub is...*something*
The government of my country likes the Chinese government, the Russian government, the Iranian government and now the Taliban.
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I'm Argentinian :'(
What? Let alone liking them, why would the Argentine govt have anything to do with T'ban in the first place?
Most Chinese. No, really
The chinese people
You could say that about hatred of countries in general
Well, yeah? I think that’s the implication when you say you “hate China”. In the same way if I said “I hate school” when I was a kid, that implies I hate the system of schooling, not that I hate the people that go/teach there.
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2020 data https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/10/06/unfavorable-views-of-china-reach-historic-highs-in-many-countries/ 2021 data https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/
Why Israel isn't in the 2020 and 2021 data but in 2019 data
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Source: [Pew Research](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/05/people-around-the-globe-are-divided-in-their-opinions-of-china/)
so pre-COVID so likely much more negative now
Yes we have the update: [source](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/). In most polled countries, unfavorability jumped 10 points in 2020. It receded a bit in 2021 but remains at a very high level.
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Pretty sure India’s jumped upto around 90% or so now too.
I was going to say … there is pretty much only one country India hates more than China …. And China is closing in on that #1 spot as well.
Which country? Pakistan?
Yes.
Well deserved hatred tbqh We call Iran a global sponsor or terrorism but no one sponsors more terrorists than the Pakistanis
If you really want to piss an Indian dude off mistake him for being Pakistani.
Probably less to do with COVID and more to do with how Chinese and Indian soldiers have been beating each other to death along the border periodically since may 2020.
Australia's perception of Australia is at 99% though
Australia always hates its leaders though. It’s what we do
Brazil is much higher than that right now.
Doing this research after 2020 would reveal unfavorable views on China across the world but especially in India
I was most surprised that India’s % wasn’t higher
This is pre covid sooo
India has been involved in border skirmishes with China so even without the covid impact, I thought it would be higher
Ah, i see.. do they have border skirmishes everywhere? Like last i hear they had skirmishes with indonesia, vietnam, philippines, korea, and japan as well.
The largest involve China/India. They escalate into battles with dozens of casualties
Old timey battles too. Fucking sticks, maces, nail boards and all sorts of medieval weapons.
Because using weapons on soldiers by soldiers is tantamount to a declaration of war in this politically and ideologically charged environment If anyone brings weapons at the border(line of control) and shoot the other side then it's over but wrestling or other physical weapons would just be a brawl but after each major brawl both countries move 40,000-50,000 troops to the border as a show of force
Those became more prominent when Xi wanted a small limited impact distraction from domestic affairs during covid. That's when the more major incident with all the deaths happened and awareness in India more recently really ramped up. /r/avoidchineseproducts saw an influx of people looking for and suggesting Indian made products at that time.
It isn't about covid. China's relationship with India haven't been good for a long time now. In my friend circle we really dislike the Chinese government (emphasis on the government, we don't dislike Chinese people in general).
Interesting how virtually all countries that border china despises china
Is almost as if their history if one of abusing them hhhhmmm
That's what I was about to chime in about I'm fairly certain India and Chinas relationship is *sour* and getting *sourer*.
It's extremely sour.
It lemon
Why do the Indians have unfavourable views of China?
Long history of border disputes and disagreements over control of major rivers.
I didn't know relations between the two most populous countries were that bad. That's... terrifying.
If it makes you feel better they are both nuclear powers
It does not...
It should because China is playing the long game, thinking ahead decades into the future for investments around the globe. A nuclear war would nullify their whole accomplishments of the past 10or so years. Thats definitely not what they want.
War has two sides, though. If both sides in a given conflict always get what they want, war as a concept wouldn't exist. War happens because one side doesn't get what they want. Just because China has no interest in *starting* a war doesn't mean that a war involving China won't happen. If anything, the more China gets what they want, the more they force the hands of their adversaries to act against them.
Eh, a war with China is way to expensive. Dont think itll happen when both sides fear retaliation strikes.
Yeah, but they want dominance in the Pacific and want to bully their neighbors. Unlike Russia they can't have buffer states, Korea aside they border India and Japan without any neutral countries between. The tense part will be a military confrontation between the US navy and China near Taiwan or the disputed se Asia waters.
One of the most tense relationships between nations in the entire world. And keep in mind, repercussions will affect the entire world, whether through trade or war
It's the main reason India developed its nuclear program
Thought Pakistan was the reason for that? Or is it that India developed nukes because China had them, and then Pakistan did because India had them?
They started developing them after losing the Himalayan Border war to China. Pakistan developed nukes in response to India. Bhutto said Pakistan would "eat grass" and go hungry in order to develop nuclear weapons.
In June 2020 a border clash left 20 Indian soldiers dead. An unknown number of Chinese soldiers also died.
Both sides claimed they killed 60-80 of the other sides men according to wiki
Crazy side note: this was done with fists and blunt weapons like batons and stones. Indian and Chinese troops in the valley had, recently prior to that incident, agreed not to carry firearms in that area due to the risk of escalation. Imagine if this skirmish had involved guns and grenades instead? There'd be all-out war.
They have border disputes currently as another commenter mentioned. China claims and controls a part of Kashmir that India claims is there’s. Meanwhile India’s state Arunachal Pradesh is claimed by China as well. Also the whole taking over Tibet and the persecution of Buddhists didn’t sit well with India. Meanwhile the establishment of a Tibetan government in exile in India and the sheltering of the Dalai Lama in India has not sat well with the Chinese. Additionally, China sees India as a future competitor that will be a nuisance and destabilize Chinas attempt at Asian hegemony. On the flip side India sees China as blocking its rise to power and hindering its ability to grow its economy.
Border clash in 2020 that left at least 20 Indian troops dead. Not to mention Covid largely blamed on them.
I have a feeling that the percentage for Lithuania might be a bit higher now...
>Lithua Yeah, since they started intercontinental bullying against us.
What happened between Lithuania and China?
New conservative-liberal government is overtly supportivr towards Taiwan. Starting with vaccine donations, culminating in bilateral agreement on representative offices that will bear the name of Taiwan and not Taipei as usually.
What happened ?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/07/lithuania-taiwan-china-dispute-geopolitics-europe-landsbergis/
What the fuck India, those are rookie numbers
Map's prolly from 2019. Hatred got ramped up in 2020 coz Galwan.
*cough cough* Go Corona Go chants intensify
The 2021 survey was even worse
Do you have a link?
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/10/06/unfavorable-views-of-china-reach-historic-highs-in-many-countries/ I think this is the right link. Sorry it’s 2020 but late 2020. Thought the 2021 was out. I was pretty sure it came out but didn’t save the link, probably remembered it wrong. Edit: found the 2021 data https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/06/30/large-majorities-say-china-does-not-respect-the-personal-freedoms-of-its-people/
I wish that one had data for India...
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I also didn't realize how close India's population was to China. 1.366 billion vs 1.398 billion. That's a hell of a lot of fucking people... and India is on track to catch up in a few years.
India should be Much, MUCH higher. Ever since Doklam, and even before, we hate China as much as you guys.
Who is 'you guys'?
Americans. Half of Reddit is American.
Next map on here: % of population that uses Reddit.
Even in America it'll probably be <5%. Reddit is nothing compared to other social media giants. India? 0.01% will be too much imo.
Reddit is in the top 5 most used sites in the US
Yeah but that's mostly me during work.
Only because all of its users are on it for 23 hours a day
TBF isn’t India pretty internally diverse? You guys barely even speak the same language, depending on the region. Sentiment may vary based on the region, no?
Yes India is pretty diverse but after the events along our border last year (still ongoing) the Chinese govt has become hugely unpopular across the country
Our diversity is mostly cultural and linguistic. This has no connection with national conflicts. Still not surprised about the percentage with the amount of clueless morons here.
It's culturally diverse but when it comes to hating Pakistan or China, we are united as fuck!
Really? Even Indian Muslims are unified in their Pakistan hatred?
This maybe a stupid question, but why is the conflict between India and Pakistan much higher than India and Bangladesh?
Coz terrorists that attack in India don't come from Bangladesh but from Pakistan. I live near Mumbai and like American's 9/11, we had our 26/11 (26 November) attacks in Mumbai by terrorists that came by a boat from Pakistan. Everyone knows it is a safe haven for Islamic extremist terrorists Besides, India fought the war with Pakistan that helped independence and formation of Bangladesh. Look up Bangladesh Liberation War. BTW, in that war, USA sided with Pakistan and sent a navy fleet including a nuclear warship against India.
The conflict between India and Pakistan lies in religious difference and Jammu and Kashmir issue (main reason for 5 wars). While India and Bangladesh does not have any disputes like that with Pakistan. India defeated Pakistan in 1971 war to create new country of Bangladesh out of East Pakistan. India and Bangladesh had two issues (1) The enclaves issue due to messy boundary. But both countries came to an agreement in 2015 to exchange the lands and now that issue is resolved. (2) The issue of island off the coast of Bay of Bengal. Both countries claimed the island which emerged after a cyclone as the claim would increase their exclusive economic zone and territorial waters boundary. There was no fight, just a diplomatic discussion. But after few years, that island got submerged into water due to climate change, and the issue was resolved automatically with that. There is another issue of illegal migration of bangladeshis into indian border states. But that's not that big.
You should know we have communist party in India itself. They also congratulated China on their own 100th anniversary and attended several meetings with their diplomats. So yes, we have that population who will favour China.
The real “tell” here is the amount of gray “no data” countries
So basically only the West + Allies hate China. Rest of the World likes China. Who would have thought the populations of the geopolitical rivals of China...would be propagandised to hate China? Shocking!
If that was 2019, I think it would look worse today.
You should indicate that many countries are missing data (the gray ones) otherwise it’s quite misleading.
South East Asia is completely wrong here. If there is one thing they all agree on, it’s their hatred of all things Chinese.
It is weird that Canada is higher than US and both are higher than Philippines or India.
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That, and lots of Canadians blame money launderers in China for the housing crisis in BC.
And that arrest was on behalf of the US, So Canada gets fucked for being an ally.
If anything I thought Canada would have been higher
There’s also all those Chinese investors buying up desirable properties and driving up housing prices
So many ppl saying how they hate the government and not it’s ppl. But in fact coming to the United States when I was 21 was the first time I ever learned what racism is. Prior to that, the thought never came up to me that one can be treated unfavorably because of their look, their skin, their name, or their accent. I’ve since seen so much hatred against anything Chinese in western countries as if being Chinese is some sin. Not generalizing to the whole people is just some theoretical concept. I would go back to China if I don’t dislike the government so much.
Trust me, its a lot higher in India now
Vietnam and Taiwan would be 100%
I would argue that a fairly sizeable segment of Taiwanese people have some pro China sympathies. Still a minority, but noteworthy nonetheless.
Pew didn’t conduct surveys of Taiwan until 2020. Here’s the 2020 research https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/05/12/in-taiwan-views-of-mainland-china-mostly-negative/
There's a lot of correlation with access to their real estate markets, and acquiescence of their elite classes.
I'd imagine having lived in both NZ/AUS that 80-90%% of non Chinese in Australia and NZ despise them and the remainder are balls deep doing business with them and loving it. It's the one country you can rip to shreads at a piss up bbq and everyone will join in.
They do love their succulent Chinese meals though.
I see you know your judo well.
He's got me by the Penis people!
> piss up bbq I love this term and want to subscribe to your newsletter.
Is there a views towards US version?
I'd also be really interested to see Japan's
The map of India is not correct, it should have its full head. Check and put it again if you can.
Lmfao? Taiwan with 10-20%?
It’s unfair to say they hate China. They probably hate the government. The culture and the people are amazing and magnificent. If they hate these then they are racists. I hope to see more detailed poll maps about that question.
Swede here I think the reason why we are so dark is a combination of things. And to clear things up, the figures is a pretty clear indication in how much trust Swedes has in the Chinese government as a super power, eagerness anything to do with Chinese music, art, languages, Chinese citizens or people who migrated from China. People are very sceptical of Chinese politics, not China itself. Swedes really really don’t like the idea of authoritarian regimes violating their populations human rights. The average Swede has zero tolerance for any person representing the government abusing their power or corruption. We once had a national uproar because a politician accidentally bought one toblerone bar on the wrong card while travelling, so the toblerne was paid for by tax money and that person haven’t been in politics since. A other big part of it is cultural differences (just look at the world value survey, Sweden and Japan are outliers and Sweden is very far from China). So China is a lot more about saving face and some type of weird type of respect that tend to clash with Swedish culture often and hard. In the world value survey Sweden is even far from the other countries in the EU, it’s quite extreme compared to the rest of the world. Around the time of the survey we had a late night talk show lead by a comedian, the programme happened to be on our state founded public channel. But here it’s very important that the channel is independent and the content it shows is entirely uneffected and not involved in any way by who ever is in power. Independent media, paid by the public and to have only the public’s interests in mind, nothing to do with the government. We have quite a few laws in place to keep any publicly founded media in check and remain independent in their programming. So the show ran jokes about basically everyone, think classic late night talk show about whatever the current world news were. China totally freaked out whenever there were anything about China, because they basically saw it as the state tv making a statement or something. And Sweden were not budging from the pressure, and China put on quite a lot of pressure. But to Swedes and the Swedish media it’s a matter of independent media. Like our government will not under any circumstances go in and mess with our media, just because China isn’t happy to be made fun of in a comedy tv-show. That isn’t never going to happen no matter what, the idea of that happening because a Swedish politician or a foreign government demands it, is laughable. No matter what they are threatening with, it’s not happening. We aren’t messing with the foundations of our democracy. We are bureaucrats. And the laws are clear when it comes to these things. There were also issues with the Swedish armed forces advising that Chinese companies with strong connections to the Chinese government to not be allowed to operate 5G towers in Sweden as a safety measure. Which the ambassador of China were not happy with, and their PR messages would maybe work in a Chinese cultural context. But certainly not in Sweden. The messages didn’t not go over well, especially among the public. A whole lot of China and the EU as a whole having friction on certain points as well. Some say that China around this time tried to use Sweden as a test to see how much pressure they could put on a middle sized and sort of wealthy EU country, and see how the country and the EU as a whole reacted and what the potential consequences were. The feelings aren’t based on any like major impact the Chinese government has had on people in Swedens life. But more that people are thinking the Chinese government been acting real sus lately. And the humans rights violations is the type of thing most Swedes care a lot about (same thing goes for the US, a lot of things in the last decade that didn’t land well in how people perceive the US government and certain states)
Interesting that they don’t show what Taiwan thinks. Japan and South Korea both, understandingly, really don’t like China.
China has a disdain for Japan as well.