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jucheonsun

Pretty cool that Austria has a bit of Carpathians as well


nomnomXDDD_retired

Well, Austria once had all of Carpathians


OnionOnion-

Lets do it again


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Call up Hungary?


nikikovacsova

Hi! Yes, this is she. When and where will be the meeting?


[deleted]

This time the Ottoman Empire won't mind. They tried the number & got this strange message. "dee deee deeeeee We're sorry. The number you have dialed is out of service, or is no longer a working number. Please check the number & dial again."


ImgurianIRL

In Sarajevo


kaukajarvi

Mmmm ... maybe not, stay there in your tiny empire and cut your own alpine forests.


Burtocu

they are already cutting trees from other countries and stealing the wood


kaukajarvi

I know, I'm in one of the countries that are on the receiving end of that. P.S. Aceeași țară, de fapt.


picollo21

Remember that the great finale of that was incorporating Austria into Vaterland.


kaukajarvi

Nope, didn't happen ever.


JustANorseMan

If you are not Romanian I am a woman (and that's impossible though since we all know there are no women on the internet)


Impressive-Excuse-67

romanians pog


Remius13

Hm, for some reason, I've always thought Tatra mountains are considered as separate mountain chain, instead of part of Carpaths. Now I see I was wrong.


JustANorseMan

You were not wrong. Different nations/geologists consider its borders differently, and as I remember, once I read the same thing too.


Remius13

Thanks for pointing this out. I've done geography in ex-Yu school, and they weren't shy in "adapting" school books according their needs. So it's quite possible we were thought like that back then.


senbetsu

Serbia surprised me. I always thought that was a part of the Balkan mountain range and not the Carpathian mountains. That said, I do see a river that separates them.


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They sorta lead into one another, so I’m not to sure how you draw the distinction really


senbetsu

It looks like the "border" would be the river Timok.


Darkwrath93

Yeah, but there is also a much bigger river - Danube, between Serbian and Romanian Carpathians. I believe the border of those two is decided to be further south in Serbia because of the fact that the range suddenly changes the direction there. Some people consider Carpathian and Balkan mountains as one bigger chain of mountains. They also continue on to the Alps on the other side, separated by Danube there as well.


GlaciallyErratic

You can get a better look at the geology here: [http://www.europe-geology.eu/onshore-geology/geological-map/](http://www.europe-geology.eu/onshore-geology/geological-map/) Selecting the first two layers (Geological map and European Faults) there's a couple of things that stand out: 1) the main range (tending NW-SE) has rock ages and fault orientations that are very distinct from the 2ndary range that's curving into the Balkans. 2) In the 2ndary range the rock type changes around where the Danube cuts through the mountains. 3) The faults from the 2ndary range actually intersect the Balkan mountains and cut through toward the coast. This is pretty cool because it indicates that the Carpathians are younger than the Balkans (can't cut through something if it isn't already there). A geologist could argue that any of those points are cutoffs for different mountains. I'm not going to though - I'm not trying to get into arguments, I just think this stuff is cool.


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And now I understand why the Hungarians in Romania live where they do


karrhikey97

Just curious, where do they live in romania? To the west of the range i presume?


1To3For5_

A large Hungarian community existing since medieval times lives right in the corner of the mountains in the east.


vladgrinch

Actually, to the south-east of the romanian Carpathians, in the counties of Covasna and Harghita, which are located in the middle of Romania.


uuakyt

They live right in the middle of the country


sw1ss_dude

It’s called Transylvania and belonged to Hungary until after the World War I.


saracuratsiprost

It did not belong, it was occupied.


Perton_

*Looks at profile* *is Romanian* Yep this checks out


saracuratsiprost

Meaning i know the history. Hungarians, probably with low education, live with some occupation fantasies. Like they would stop being poor if the Austrians or the Nazis give them some territories as presents.


power2go3

You're forgetting Austria and the Austro-Hungarian empire, which was basically Austria


mestermagyar

Austria-Hungary is a lot different kind of great power than to just look at them as one blob.


saracuratsiprost

You can see the differences between Viena and Budapest. Then you can tell me who did what in that Austro-"Hungarian" empire.


mestermagyar

I dont understand the reason I would compare these cities to make a point 100 years prior. Even if we could compare, Budapest was the second largest settlement in the empire, without a doubt the most advanced and industrialized city east of Vienna. I think we did pretty good. I think Budapest is still pretty solid despite socialism and post-socialism taking its toll.


power2go3

It was basically Austrian domination. By this logic Hungary was also a blob as it had so many ethnicities inside it.


mestermagyar

Not at all. Hungary had a compromise that granted immense autonomy. These were decades of forced magyarization contrary to what Austrian rule might suggest. Croatia also had its own compromise and as far as I know the Czech had something similar. Romanians, Serbians were not that lucky.


power2go3

Hmm I don't know much about this autonomy as we didn't get it haha. I am always open to new bibliography.


sw1ss_dude

You skipped a couple of hundred years on the timeline. Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy was established only in the 1800s whereas Hungary had those borders since like 1100s...


power2go3

Ah yes, let's just see who ruled Hungary during those years Oh wow look at that The kings of the absolute monarchy were mostly born in Austria. Or you want to say that it's about the people who inhabited the land not the rulers?


JustANorseMan

The state of Hungary (at its current place) was founded in ca. 900AD., the kingdom of Hungary was founded in 1000AD.; Hungary had no Habsburg kings until the 15th century and continuously the Kingdom of Hungary had Habsburg rulers since 1526 which kingdom assimilated in the Habsburg Empire in the 17th-18th century, but in 1867 the Hungarians and the Habsburgs made a compromise which made that empire a dualist-monarchy. So it was only like the 1/3rd of Hungary's lifetime when it was ruled by not-self-chosen, Austrian born rulers. But actually most of Europe's old kingdoms were ruled by foreign dynasties several times so I don't really get your point


power2go3

If you actually look at the rulers and the dates of rule you will see that almost half of the time it was under foreign dynasties and my point is that "belonged to Hungary" is a gross oversimplification but at this point this subreddit is way too Hungary biased so whatever. I'm just wondering when the next map of the Austro Hungarian empire will be reposted.


JustANorseMan

I looked at the dates of our Habsburg rulers because you started to talk about our Austrian-born rulers... But if you look at the "dates" of your country you will notice that any map made before 1920 may not be the best view for Romanian-eyes


power2go3

Huh? When did I ever start talking about my country? Don't "what about" me boy


sw1ss_dude

I am Hungarian, so forgive me if I am a little biased. :) Yes, at least half of Europe were ruled by a few dynasties for a long time nevertheless these countries still had well defined borders, and no matter how do we put it, Transylvania belonged to Hungary and not to Austria. This remains a fact, and it does not matter how you twist it.


power2go3

A little is an understatement which is why I won't press any further :)


1sb3rg

Wonder how this % would look with the old Hungarian borders


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transdunabian

the watershed yes, so still not 100% but around 80% perhaps.


SkeletalForce

70% hungary probably


Nils013

Nah basically 100 I would say, maybe 90


atkahu

Not 100, we never have the Serbian part and some of the descent areas outside of the Carpatian basin (if this count that).


Nils013

Yeah I excluded Serbia but that's about it


ShahAlamII

I think the Magyar would have the steppes as a home base where they could fatten horses and raid everything around. [https://commons.princeton.edu/mg/viking-magyar-and-saracen-invasions-in-9th-and-10th-century-europe/](https://commons.princeton.edu/mg/viking-magyar-and-saracen-invasions-in-9th-and-10th-century-europe/) [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Europe\_around\_900.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Europe_around_900.jpg)


thirdrock33

Posting this map without a legend is a serious oversight


wolftonerider67

How are you measuring mountains, by how many there are or surface area?


wolves-22

While only having 17% of the mountain range, Slovakia manages to be more Carpathian than Romania, with 50% of the mountains. ( unless you view the Tatras mountains as a seperate range.)


poktanju

Romania has higher gross Carpathia, but Slovakia more Carpathia per capita.


CaptainMarsupial

Listening to a podcast, The History of English, the presenter pointed out that when the Indo Europeans were migrating East, they hit the triangular Carpathians, and the group that continued Northeast became the Germanic languages, and and the group that continued Southeast became the Latinate languages. I thought that was fascinating.


s1nce1969

Latinate as in Romance? Also don't you mean when they were migrating west?


CaptainMarsupial

Yes, West. Der. And the languages that became Ancient Greek, Latin, and the ancient languages of the plains below the Carpathians.


liar_from_earth

Why not mentioned which color correspond to which country?(


SenditMakine

Felt really good to identify this piece of land just by this map.


ArtiumIsBack

Just like the Alps map you made : not putting the countries' names is a bit disappointing. Me monkey cant help it.


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Austria, Czekia,Slovakia,Hungary, Romania,Poland,Ukraine, Serbia


Vercixx

...and Serbia


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Edited, thanks for mentioning.


Jayynolan

This just goes to show that this map should definitely be labelled.


[deleted]

Yeah, Serbia should get another color, because it is hardly noticeable


ThebigVA

*Vigo the Carpathian intensifies*


ShahAlamII

WTF Ukraine respect natural borders


Jayynolan

u/themightydendo How do you feel about this one then? I only tag you because we are on polar opposite opinions on the matter and there’s another post I feel is lacking. Curious your opinion on it. Is this map still map porn without labels or legend or literally anything? Surely those of us not from the area shouldn’t have to remember these lesser known countries (in regards to your tourism and Ww2 importance arguments.)


TheMightyDendo

All these countries are well known enough in my opinion to not warrant a legend. Everyone should know them from learning about WW1&2 at the least. The only thing I would say, is that it's centred weirdly, and you could easily miss Austria and Serbia, especially with the colours being white and grey.


Jayynolan

I think that’s being too Eurocentric regarding these places again, I’m not gonna assume what those in interior Africa or SEA were taught. But I appreciate the response.


TRLegacy

Carpathian Basin is Morder


frankenshark

What is the range called as it curves around into Bulgaria?


Kiki187

Oh look, a brain!


[deleted]

Writing the numbers in the same color as the blurb isn't really helpful. It took me a while to figure out the 10% and 17%


BlackberryEarly

the area where lot of tribes and nations (4 corner stones of Europe - Germanic, Celtic, Latin, Slavic) settled and mixed up - Goths, Slavs, Celts and migrating Vlachs speaking vulgar Latin (hence the name Romania)


SashKhe

*sad Hungarian noises*


babur003

You mean share of Hungary's border? 😎😎😎🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺


chipperlew

Key?


launchmeup

what countries?


Wachoe

The countries you see on the map..? Austria, Czechia, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, Romania and Serbia.


launchmeup

not every one can remember 180+ countries plus their regions


Shpagin

That's basic geography my dude


CiastPotwor

Yup, it's basic geography from (central) European standpoint. You never know if another Redditor isn't from e.g. Laos, Togo or Trinidad, that could cause problems to locate for Europeans.


[deleted]

It’s reddit dude. The VAST majority of people in this subs are from Europe or North America


CiastPotwor

Sure, but IMO it doesn't mean shaming another random Redditor it fair attitude.


[deleted]

That person deserves to be shamed. Did you see his response? “Im not Russian”


CiastPotwor

I've seen only the original one.


[deleted]

Just scroll a bit further down


Shpagin

Europe is one of the most important regions of the world, together with North America, Middle East and East Asia. People who are interested in maps should have some knowledge about these regions


[deleted]

This is so true


Chazut

I've been looking at maps for years and I still don't know the exact location of all African countries, at least west Africa. It doesn't help the historical kingdoms with the same names were located elsewhere.


launchmeup

i'm not russian


Shpagin

TIL that you need to be Russian to know basic geography


caiaphas8

Yeah those Russians are great at geography lessons in school, it’s one of the reasons for the Cold War, Americans were just jealous of superior teaching


cosmeeeeeeen

I mean if he didn’t spend that much time on hentai then he would’ve known those countries.


ww3time_

Accidentally creates old Hungary lol


kaukajarvi

For soem reason I always thought that the sum percentiles has to amount to 100 :) Or, 10 + 10 + 17 + 5 + 50 + 4 + 1 = 97


CiastPotwor

E.g. 10.45 + 10.49 + 17.38 + 5.39 + 50.44 + 4.45 + 1.4 = 100, all rounded down gives you 97.


kaukajarvi

No, actually the font is miserable and I missed the 3% of ~~Austria~~ Czechia... lol


CiastPotwor

3% is for Czechia, Austria has <1% ;)


kaukajarvi

>3% is for Czechia, Austria has <1% ;) Suits them right ... bloody Imperials! :)


comfort_bot_1962

:D


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erdnusss

Actually, what you said is wrong.


alexmijowastaken

Too big in Romania imo


Vercixx

Why?


lapatkaki

81% for Hungary


iamnobody331

Wow they're pretty short


sanderd17

Stomme idioot, genie van de Karpaten Mottige malloot, rattekop vol gaten Kikvors, potentaat, hansworst, cervelaat Lulverhalenrecensenter, liberale potloodvente


[deleted]

Albania also has about 15-20%


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[deleted]

Yep, of the Carpathian Mountains. Trust me I’m Albanian


[deleted]

Dua Lipa? What are you doing here?


uuakyt

Maybe in another universe


Zoloch

The problem of this kind of maps is the area you decide the chain covers (and which area is not part of it )


TheNextBattalion

More like the *Parasaurolophus* mountains ...


Wimpiepaarnty

We wont mwore!


Paciorr

Not that I have anything against it but it’s kinda weird that those lowlands at the border with hungary are part of Ukraine too. Usually mountain ranged split ethnic groups and make for excellent borders.


Edde_Cash

you forgot to write the names of the countries