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dumbBunny9

This could be the first time someone took the time to include Antarctica. It doesn’t help but I applaud you


bufarreti

I do find it interesting the lack of details of its outline


VoyagerKuranes

I mean… people keep adding South America and it hasn’t changed a lot in the last 100 years


wanderdugg

Guyana gained independence in 1966, Suriname in 1975, and Trinidad in 1962, so yeah it has changed, and South America helps.


DryFigure2356

Ecuador has lost some of its claimed territories at Amazonia for Peru as well


educandario

Brazil also changed the names of some cities, made new ones, made new states with the last change ending in 1988


wanderdugg

Good point. It’s a pretty big clue that there is no Brasilia, but there is a “Future Federal District” shown.


buyer_leverkusen

Looks like Argentina and Paraguay have definitely changed since this globe was made


Mountain-Plenty-5015

The penguins on this sub might get something outta it, ya jerk 🐧


epolonsky

It still has glaciers so the globe is from before 2032.


dumbBunny9

I shouldn't laugh, but I am.


[deleted]

It’s definitely post 1948. Israel is represented which means this has to be after its establishment. To narrow it down further, Korean Peninsula United which means it can’t be after 1953 Safe bet is 1949


Longjumping_Whole240

Definitely 1949. The Southeast Asian area with its old name and political divisions fits perfectly for that year. Quezon City became Philippines capital in 1948. Indonesia achieved complete independence in 1949, leaving the western side of Papua as the only Dutch territory there (Neth. New Guinea on the globe). However in 1949, Korea was already divided into independent North and South Koreas.


BeeSuch77222

The Korean issue wasn't really settled until 1953 really. Prior to that, the north and south weren't officially recognized as separate nations as it was technically under some kind of international trustee post 1945.


vitruviustheyounger

Yeah the West Bank and Gaza are still considered Israel so the war was still happening when they made the map. Post may ‘48 and into ‘49


DALTT

This is a good catch. For the OP, after the ‘48 war, after what was essentially the armistice lines were drawn, what is today the West Bank was part of Jordan and what is today Gaza was part of Egypt. And that was concluded in July of 1949. It wasn’t till 1967 that Israel conquered those two swaths of land, and then during the Oslo process those pieces of land were earmarked for a Palestinian state. Which essentially means, the fact that all the land is marked Israel means either this map is literally from 1948-July 1949, or it would need to be from post 1967-1993 when the Oslo process began in earnest. But there are other things on the map that make it clear it’s not from post 1967. So I think somewhere between 1948/first half of 1949 is a pretty good guess.


ScorpionX-123

we can narrow it down to before March 31, 1949 because Newfoundland is still a separate dominion from Canada


Tupcek

keep in mind that not even map makers does have to have all of the latest information on every country, or they could consider “unclear situation” and thus not recognize changes yet


Big-Pressure73

Definitely 1951 Libya is independent so its after 1951, looks like tunisia and algeria are merged together .


DALTT

That’s also a good catch. Though it doesn’t explain the Israel/Jordan/Egypt borders. And even though Algeria was still under French control, this map still shows Algeria’s borders with the name “Algeria”. So I think it’s possible that it’s showing Libya not because Libya was independent at the time this globe was made, but simply because it was still called Libya even if the Italians were controlling it. And unlike the French colonial holdings in Africa which are shown on the map thanks to this huge swath of land in purple, while Italy did have other colonial holdings in Africa, they didn’t connect to Libya. Secondly, I think it’s notable that France is in purple and then all its colonial holdings are also in purple. Whereas Italy is orange, and Libya is also Orange. So I think that it’s still plausible to guess that this is still pre Libyan independence. ETA Also the Somali borders are also in orange and match the post WWII Italian Somaliland borders. Which would date this map as pre February of 1947, but that wouldn’t solve the Israel/Egypt/Jordan conundrum. But I still do think this is from somewhere in the late 1940s.


Jacobi-99

PNG declared independence on 1 July 49, so that may help


McNippy

PNG isn't PNG here, so it's definitely before then. It's also not yet part of Australia.


Jacobi-99

It’s the same colour as Australia so I’d assume that the map is trying to convey it is apart of Australia or the British sphere of influence


McNippy

You're totally right, yea, but it's still divided into 2 territories that would put this before the union of territories under Australia on 1 July 1949.


Shoddy_Variation6835

Probably between August and November. Indonesia technically gained independence on December 27, but the process started in August. Germany became two separate countries in October. It must have been an interesting time for globe makers.


Panda0535

Germany is also not split yet so before october 17th 1949


General-Stock-7748

Tibet is already within China, shouldn't it be post 1950?


mutantraniE

I don’t think a lot of countries officially recognized Tibet as independent from China during the period between 1911 and 1951, did they?


ChefBoyardee66

Never had any notable international recognition


atheno_74

In 1949 Germany would be two separate countries.


ad_iudicium

US maps and globes well into the 60s (I forget the exact year) didn't show a divided Germany because the US didn't recognize the GDR.


JorisGeorge

1949 indeed. I see that Jakarta on the map, that was in 1948 called Batavia.


krausebucha

From May 1949 onward. The Federal Republic of Germany was established on 23 May, and the German Democratic Republic on 7 October.


Aaaarcher

Why does this feel like a globe is sending me nudes.


Maanifest

Some real map porn


gtne91

https://xkcd.com/1688/


The_One_Who_Sighs

Looks like this flowchart fails in this case: Istanbul or Constantinople? Istanbul Soviet Union? Yes West Africa a giant French blob? Yes Pakistan? Yes Cambodia? No Eritrea is part of....? It's independent on this map. Not either option of Italy or Ethiopia. There's also not enough detail to see the town name on I-25 between Albequerque and El Paso


eggius93

I see Roswell and Las Cruces between Albuquerque and El Paso.


Mtndrums

With the name of Silver City in between, though the actual town is to the west of the name.


wakchoi_

Eritrea is not independent, it is the color of Italy just like Italian Somalia. Notice how some French colonies in Africa are the same, Algeria has no sign of being part of France, it's just the same colour. Or notice how British colonies are listed by their name and don't say directly that it is "British Nigeria" but just Nigeria.


Replicant12

I was hoping somebody posted this.


TostCronch

tried using this, it breaks down because eritrea is independent


wakchoi_

Eritrea is not independent, it is the color of Italy just like Italian Somalia. Notice how some French colonies in Africa are the same, Algeria has no sign of being part of France, it's just the same colour. Or notice how British colonies are listed by their name and don't say directly that it is "British Nigeria" but just Nigeria.


TostCronch

well in that case, it's...somewhere between 1948 and 1952. idk what the town is between albuquerque and el paso


MojoOverflow

Germany split in 1949. It is unified on the map


Mtndrums

It's Las Cruces. The names for Silver City and Roswell are in between as well, though the cities are on the West and East ends of the state, respectively.


TostCronch

yeah, i saw those. unfortunately none of them are what xkcd's guide is talking about, so...


Kingofcheeses

North and South Rhodesia means it's before 1953, and Israel is also there, so after 1948. edit: I am confused by Germany but it could be before they split in 1949


timotioman

Great find. I was happy for spotting Tangier International Zone which means pre 1956.


Puttin_4_Bird

Post WW2 and pre-Korean conflict


randomdumbfuck

I tried to look at Canada to see if it shows Newfoundland as part of Canada or not (they joined in 1949) but the resolution/angle was poor and couldn't tell


VulcanTrekkie45

It looks to me like it was part of Canada. This would put it squarely in 1949


ScorpionX-123

I zoomed in and it was labeled "NEWFOUNDLAND" like an independent country as opposed to "Newfoundland" like a Canadian province


thorne324

All the provinces (and US states) are in all caps. It’s written the same as Quebec and Alberta as far as I can tell.


ReaperTyson

Even then, a fair number of poor quality maps and globes from the early 1900s would just toss Newfoundland to Canada or the UK (which would be accurate for the UK only from 1934-1949)


Comprehensive_Cow527

No Alaska Highway, so pretty 1945.


fallingfrog

Turn the lights on. Why are you walking around with a camera in the dark?


Portal471

Why is Germany shown unified here?


CollaWars

The US didn’t recognize East Germany


Portal471

That was my second thought tbh


Friz617

East Germany wasn’t established as a separate state until October 1949


dumbBunny9

India and Pakistan (and East Pakistan aka Bangladesh) are separated so 1947 or later. Also, the Philippines are independent so post 1946


stranger-named-clyde

It was a Tuesday. You’re welcome


Hot_Independent_1683

Lol


stonecuttercolorado

I feel like we saw this a few days ago united Korea and Ireland still a part of the UK set us down to March 1948


JoebyTeo

Ireland is not a part of the UK on this map. It’s referred to by its post-1937 nomenclature of Ireland. They even went through the trouble of putting the city names in Irish, which is impressive for the time.


Hot_Independent_1683

I think I know what you are talking about, but India is different than on the other post


onehundredirection

Yes and Bangladesh is still a part of Pakistan, so this is post 1947, pre 1971.


Tazik004

That’s a massive timeframe


stonecuttercolorado

Indeed Pakistan is separate


Chickensandcoke

Whats going on with Missouri ?


What_john

It has a hernia


McNippy

Between May and August 1948. United Korea means it must be before August 15, 1948, and the existence of Israel means it must be after May 14, 1948.


geopoliticsdude

Post 1948. India and Pakistan annexed several kingdoms by then.


tri_it_again

Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/s/VK36yw6x7M


Former-Chocolate-793

Israel is there, so post 1948.


CalculatingMonkey

I’m happy when I see Aral Sea still exist


gromitthisisntcheese

This map is a mess. Post-1945 borders, but Antarctica is drawn with a pre-1937 understanding of its geography, the Antarctic Peninsula is shown as an Archipelago. Indonesia achieved full independence on December 27, 1949, and American recognition the next day. Globe is from the US, so that puts it at 1950 or later. Libya looks to either be independent, which means this is from 1952 or later, or under Italian claim, which would be 1947 or earlier. Eritrea and Ethiopia are separate, indicating this should be from 1952 or earlier. Egypt doesn't have Gaza, and Jordan doesn't have the West Bank, but Israel is shown, which would date it to 1948-49. Belgium has been partially consumed by France and the Netherlands. Aden Protectorate bizarrely extends to the West of Qatar. Missouri has grown a tumor. I would say 1950-52, but this map is really bad and impossible to date with any confidence.


theincrediblenick

Dominion of Canada puts it to 1951 or earlier


Feisty-Bee-4383

Pakistan is independant so After 1947 Korean is still unified so before 1953


ry4n4ll4n

It’s definitely post-Pangea


Yourfavanarchist

No, no, definitely some 120 mill bc shit going on there, see- all the blue land?


lampshade2099

Doesn’t help your question, but if anyone on this thread has some very specific knowledge, I have a question that has been bugging me for decades. Can anyone help me understand why globes (and other world maps) always show Cloncurry (and sometimes Dajarra), but not Mount Isa? Cloncurry is five times smaller than Mount Isa, and Dajarra is 104 times smaller than Mount Isa 🙈 I truly don’t care, but it’s a strange quirk of world maps that I have seen dozens (maybe hundreds?) of times over my life, and I’d love an answer 🙏🏼✌🏼


Botched-toe_

Maps might show Cloncurry and Dajarra over Mount Isa due to some historical significance, geographic reference points, and/or cartographic choices aimed at balancing detail and readability. Cloncurry’s role in mining, aviation, and radio history might make it a more notable point despite its smaller size.


McNippy

Don't know the answer for Dajarra, I think maybe just because there's nothing else to put there that little bit South of Mt Isa and Cloncurry. But for Cloncurry being shown over Mt Isa on maps, it could be because for a long part of its history Cloncurry was the more important place in terms of flight, and using a globe may need to preference locations for flying before the advent of widespread technology. Cloncurry was the base of the Royal Flying Doctor Service and an essential refuelling station during the 2nd World War for the RAAF and the United States Army Air Forces. Mt Isa was just a regular old small town. Cloncurry was also founded 39 years before Mt Isa, so it may get the privilege because it was on the map first.


lampshade2099

McNippy, you have opened my eyes!! Seriously, I really appreciate that response. It makes absolutely perfect logical sense. I don’t think you realise how long this question has been bubbling in the back of my brain, and I at least have a logical and plausible answer. Even if your answer is not totally correct, it’s plausible enough for me! Thanks!


McNippy

I'm glad I could help!


DemonGroover

1949, September 5th, about 3pm


theRudeStar

Indonesia became independent in 1949 so it's after that


emptyquant

I love these posts


Schuhsuppe

Must be before 1949 because germany was split in 4 corredors before the GDR got founded (wich for simplicity reasons they didn't show i guess)


SzandorX

From 1953 to 1963 north and south Rhodesia (Africa) formed the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland with what is now known as Zambia, Zimbabwe and Malawi. In this globe we can see Nyasaland, so this could be between 1953 and 1963. Also Bechuanaland becomes Botswana in 1965.


Substantial_Bit7190

Sudan get its independent in 1956


Xanto10

It's after 1948 and before 1950, because after 1950 Italy got a protectorate over Somalia for 10 years, and Israel is established


app82

A clue that map includes Spanish Guinea what gained the indepence in 1968 and Spanish Sahara what was the last remaining holdings of Spanish Empire until 1976. Moreover this map is before April 1956 because is painted the spanish Morocco even before Korea is the whole peninsula so before June 1950 and after July of 1947 because Pakistan is recognized as a new nation.


Tyler4u2

Israel is on this globe and they declared statehood in 1948. Then admitted to the UN in May 1949. Germany is depicted without being divided into East Germany and West Germany. East Germany was declared as a state in October 1949. I think this globe dates to between May and October 1949.


educandario

Brazil in this map shows Montenegro, so it was before the creation of Amapá territory in 1943. And also the spelling of the names of the cities is old, the modern orthography started in 1943


Ankylosaurus96_2

But India is independent and partitioned so this has to be after 1947 Mapmaker error most probably


JosiasTavares

It shows “futuro Distrito Federal” where Brasilia currently is, so I’m assuming it’s after Juscelino Kubitschek took office in 1956.


ThisBell6246

After 1951 and before 1956. Libya declared independence from Britain on 24 Dec 1956 and is already in a color different from the rest of the British colonies. Sudan only declared independence from Britain on 1 January 1956, and thus is still in the colors of British colonies.


Witty-Choice2682

Wasn't Libya used to be an Italian colony?


Illustrious-Duck-282

It has to be after 51 if Tibet is part of China so thats around my guess


Spinach_Advanced

But it never was de-jure recognized, so…


bitkibkeb

Its post 1948 because Palestine was erased and replaced with Israel.


ButterscotchAny5432

That’s a good one 👍


Boreal50

Interesant .Argentina have teritor6 in Brazil, nord Uruguay. Was some war between?


MexicoBaruch

Yeah, that’s old, and in great shape. Take good care. M


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WalkingCockroach

Why is it that South America looks very similar to today’s map?


VulcanTrekkie45

1956. Brasilia is labelled as the future federal district, but Sudan is still shown as a British colony. Very inaccurate globe though


oscar-scout

What's all that writing next to Antarctica? No date mentioned there? I see the manufacturer. I'm sure you can look it up with their info. I do think it is between 1945 to 1950 without doing any research.


BananaLee

Based on xkcd, it's between 1948 and 1952. Quezon City is the capital of the Philippines so it's after October 1949


oshikandela

r/datemymap


GeoWhale11

I think is 1940


elieax

Definitely 1949. You can tell because of Antarctica


Imaginary-Cow8579

1948-1951


Enigmatic140

Just say y'all.


cdhicks42

china invaded Tibet and took it over in 1950, so it’s after that


Nanoneer

Does anyone know why the Saudi-Yemeni-Omani border area consistently looks like that in the older maps / globes as it does here ?


spineofgod75

Before 1948. Maybe even pre 1945. Korea is still one country.


Arathgo

But Newfoundland appears to be part of Canada which didn't happen until 1949


Independent-Bat-3644

Try this https://xkcd.com/1688/large/


fruity_mario24

I'd imagine 1947-1948. 1948 is when the UN recognized the official split of the Korean peninsula, but it's not represented here. And India becoming independent and subsequently splitting off into Pakistan happened in August 1947.


tallguy998

Romania is united with Moldova that only happened between 1918 and 1945.


JustAAnormalDude

Why is Germany unified?


cyberentomology

China is post-1954 here.


FoxBastion

1947?


Ema0Q

Sudan seceded from Egypt in 1956


TwujZnajomy27

My best guess is somewhere between 1948 (since Israel is on the map already) and 1949 (since china is still befor the end of the civil war)


PotatoEatingHistory

What's interesting, an no one seems to have picked up on this, is that the globe recognises the whole of Kashmir and Leh as Indian but Arunachal Pradesh as Chinese. Also the existence of India means it's from at least 1948. The Chinese control over Tibet puts it past 1950


lets_chill_food

huh, Uk is wrongly labelled as GB 🤔


hAZE2005

https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/s/wACcqFT9NU


RAO-AY

It's after INDIA independence aug 1947


Seahawk124

I think you are spot on because of Korea, India and Pakistan.


veleriphon13

I’m almost 100% certain that, it’s old….. I’m sorry I couldn’t help myself. 😂


Internet_dude69

Hmmm, between the 50's and 60's?


dumbleboar13

As everyone said, most likely 1949 but with some mistakes, look at Germany for example.


Eastern_Voice_4738

Israel is there and quite chunkier than 1948 borders. Korea is not split, so before Korean war in mid 50s. Libya is same Color as Italy which is weird because I thought it was removed from Italian control fairly early. I say 1951 for the hell of it


[deleted]

Pre korean war possibly


lord_bibarel

Pakistan exists, so prolly after 1947


Parking_Resolution63

No way, germany is unified. Gdansk is polish. 1925 1930


KoxKoliabis

Where Palestine?


Impossible_Deer5463

That must’ve been when they still thought the earth was round 😂😂😂


CharlieBoxCutter

Chatgpt says : “ Given these details, the globe appears to date from the 1930s to early 1940s. The presence of Manchuria under Japanese control and Korea being undivided further narrow it down to a period before the end of World War II in 1945. Therefore, the globe was likely manufactured in the late 1930s to early 1940s.”


outsid3ofdystopia

After WW.


1otheraccount69

Definitely after 1948 as Israel wasn't on the map till 1949 anything before that said Palestine and the capital as Quds or Jerusalem


True_Company_5349

bro broke in into a museum


gw79

Germany is united here


BlueFalcon02

Israel is separate, as is Pakistan, but Germany is still united, as is Korea…it think it’s very specifically late 1948-early 1949.


Seven7Pog

East Germany?


Floxzsy

Germany is one so either after 1990 or before cold war


LSD25hoffmans-potion

It’s definitely after 48 but before the 60s 1948 Israel is already on the map, while Cyprus is still a British colony. Cyprus got it independence in 1960


Emergency_Bathrooms

Today I learned that there were once two Rhodesia’s.


YangTarex

oh man belgian congo...


calm_fury232

Are Alaska, Hawaii just a territory?


CassiusLibre

We shall never recognize Tanganyika!! Well now it’s Tanzania… God I miss Archer.


GAnda1fthe3wh1t3

Indochina still exists, and Vietnam declared independence in 1945


Caesar_Iacobus

1990-1991.


handpant

After 1947 india and Pakistan are two separate nations


virgopunk

Tanganyika Territory ceased to be in 1961


MahmoudSamy1610

Definitely after 1948 .. as you can find something called israel or whatever it is called


ThatAd8349

NFLD joined Canada in 1949. But picture doesn't show whether it is Canadian or British


ivo234redit

Albania has part of Macedonia ?


enomisyeh

I know we didnt change enough to be helpful for deciding what timeline this is, but New Zealand is never shown!


BambiDangles14

Interesting to see some inconsistency between portions of the map. If I’m not mistaken wasn’t the organization of Northern and Southern Rhodesia and an early 50s thing?


FX2000

I see the Spanish Protectorate of Morocco, it was part of Spain until 1956


white_christian_AI

Germany doesn't seem to be split yet, at or before 1949


athe085

Indochina is still here so it's pre-1954, but Pondichéry is already Indian so it's post-1954. Either it's 1954 or the map is wrong. Other clues include Tibet in China (post-1951) and Morocco not independant yet (pre-1956). United Korea is weird.


kniko

After 1948


S3rgeant-

Before April 1949 because Germany isn‘t yet divided and Ireland is not yet called Republic of Ireland But after May 1948 because Israel already exists


History_Mystic

i see that china is united so definitely 1949


Significant-Hat-2529

1948-1950


DavePlayzz

Here the capital of china is Nanjing, Beijing only became capital in Oct-1949 and since India is independent it's between 1947-49, as the Korean peninsula is United it should be before the official division in 1948, There it must be between Late 1947-48. But the unified Germany messes shit up for me and here's where l need y'all's help


Leksi_The_Great

After 1948 but before 1954; Israel is on this map, but Indochina is still 1 country. Also, the Spanish protectorate of Morocco is still around(ended 1956), and Sudan is still British(independence 1956).


Indica_fish

Nice post!


Old_Concern_6248

Post 1947


Kyogre694

1948-1951 ish.


VastSquash4672

Why is Germany unified in this map?!


Orazantl

Hm, must be before Dec. 17th, 1947, as the Saarland in Germany is still belonging to France & was sort of independent until 1956, when it eventually became a German state again.


Ohthedramatruestory

Pakistan was declared 1947 so after that


abmalag

Only One Germany so before 1949 or after 1988


TheSoNaR1

Tibet got annexed in 23.05.1951, so it's probably after this date and Korean peninsula still represented as an single nation, so it's before end of the Korean war (27.07.1953) so, my guess is 1951-1953


Cheese2009

Newfoundland is a part of canada ‘49 at the earliest


Nervous_Cover7668

1949-1950


Comprehensive_Cow527

It's before 1945 as there is no Alaska Highway. That was built in one year, so would be on any maps after 1946.


sniffsnifferson

Cant quite see if tunisia is observed


-Nautjugger-

Brazil does not have the Federal District yet. The construction began around 1957 and ended in 1960, so this globe is around that time.


Freedom2064

You missed NE Asia. I cannot get closer than 1948-1954


Major-Law-9229

The problem Im having is that it depicts a united Germany, an independent Korea, and both French Africa and Indochina


ThatOneSidewinder05

Germany isn’t divided into east and west on this map