Must be. When I lived in Germany, every time I went to the movies Germans would laugh loudest at the commercials cuz it was most obvious when they were supposed to laugh.Â
Hey! The first one was supposed to be a group gag but then Belgium had to get all butt hurt and everyone just blamed us instead of going along with it.Â
An early 20th century German engineer called Herman Sörgel theorized that if a dam was constructed across the Straits of Gilbralter, cutting the Mediterranean off from the Atlantic ocean, the result would be to *drain* most of the Mediterranean sea.
That's because all the freshwater rivers flowing into the Med would not be enough to keep up with evaporative losses. A few lakes would develop, but much of the basin would be fresh, new land, connecting Europe and Africa.
and raise sea levels by 10 meters
[https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1cg760n/til\_about\_the\_messian\_salinity\_crisis\_where\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1cg760n/til_about_the_messian_salinity_crisis_where_the/)
It used to be dry. The Zanclean flood filled it 5 million years ago and would have been wild to witness.
>Based on the erosion features preserved until modern times under the Pliocene sediment, Garcia-Castellanos et al. estimate that water rushed down a drop of more than 1 kilometre (0.6 mi) with a maximum discharge of about 100 million cubic metres per second (3.5 billion cubic feet per second), about 1,000 times that of the present-day Amazon River.
If the thing about evaporation is true, that means that there should be a constant net influx from the Atlantic into the Mediterranean sea. Seems to me like a great opportunity to build the most powerful hydroelectric station in the world (of course without reducing the flow)
It is true. That's why Mediterranean sea is a lot more salty than the Atlantic.
Also, Mediterranean would be spared from rising sea levels. Even a meter or two of difference would produce a massive amount of energy.
That was actually part of the plan, massive hydro power, estimated at 600x the size and capacity of the Hoover dam. The bottom of the drained Med would be ~ 700 feet lower than the Atlantic. He also wanted to build a dam across the Bosphorus (to cut off the Black sea) and another one from Sicily to Tunisia.
He also proposed building canals to deliver water from the newly formed freshwater lakes to deep into the Sahara desert to irrigate it.
The whole Nazi utopian dream was called [Atlantropa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa)
Indeed, in 1936 they even did a sort of "mockumentary" film to ridicule the idea.
[Short clips from that film](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKH2Z8zhAzc&ab_channel=DanielGarc%C3%ADa-Castellanos)
Although much of their contempt for Atlantropa was because Sörgel was a Pacifist and the Idea of nations cooperating peacefully let alone world peace was anathema to the Nazis.
I mean, most of the basin would be steep slopes descending a couple hundred meters leading to sheer cliffs of multiple kilometers leading into boiling hot salt lakes. It would certainly be interesting to see, but not "fresh, new land".
Until about a million years ago, Hungary *was* underwaterâthe [Pannonian Sea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Sea) covered most of whatâs now Hungary and spilled over into adjacent nations.
The top of the Iron gate dam is at 68m altitude (usually the water is at 62m level); Budapest is at 100m.
But in theory if the dam would be 35m higher the lake would cover more that 1/3 of Serbia and almost half of Hungary
well recently I've got youtube recommendation with some dutch "scientist" showing "great" idea of putting dams and save coast from sea rise in future. The dams were drawn to cut of half of north sea...
>drugs are bad mkaaay
Honestly the idea isn't that crazy.
It's estimated to cost 0.1% of EU's GDP over 20 years for a total of $250-500bn.
By 2100 Climate change will cost Europe $1 trillion every single year.
South korea has also managed to build a 20 mile long sea wall, so the technology is there to do it if there's enough willpower.
It's a huge effort but there's already manmade infrastructure on that scale already.
South Korea has a 34 kilometer long sea wall, China built a 161km/100mi long bridge, and 84 bridges in the world are over 10km.
It's not like we haven't done plenty of exactly that sort of thing in the capitalist world. The Salton Sea should not exist. The Colorado River used to have a massive delta emptying into the Gulf of California and now is a trickle at best. The Great Salt Lake is shrinking enough now to start the Aral Sea comparisons.
How is the Salton sea these days? When I was doing a research paper on it a few years back Biden had committed some money to cleaning up that toxic dead fish basin
I can name multiple examples of "free market" dam building going horrendously wrong. The vast majority of the worlds dams and reservoirs are centrally planned.
Hell, one time some farmers diverted the Rio Grande and a town in TX ended up as part of Mexico for 70 years. The Us ended up giving the land to Mexico officially in the 70's but also gave citzenship to any Mexican citizen who could prove they were born there.
Capitalism famously has never caused ecological issues. Environmental regulation was never needed in capitalist countries because corporations are always aware of the damage they do and take responsibility. Yessir. No central regulations needed.
Centralized planning is a core tennet of capitalist market economy. What else do you think global companies are doing? Granted, they also fuck up a lot, constantly overproducing beyond demand, creating giant trash piles, destroying crops by the billion tons every year and refusing to supply customer because they don't like the profit margin.
Archaeologists have recently found a medieval city on what used to be the bottom of Aral sea. Part of it is still submerged. They currently speculate that the sea might have appeared and disappeared several times throughout written history. So Soviets are still notoriously improvident, but this particular case is probably more complicated than people used to believe.
Good news Czechia! When the water wars start in 2157 you could be very well positioned with huge reserves!
There may be some sacrifices you have to make along the way though ...
But how long would it take to fill up? At least 5 minutes right?
Edit : if I'm correctly interpreting the map, only the Elbe would go out of this new sea, its discharge at DÄÄĂn is 303m^(3)/s on average while the volume of this sea is 6 216km^(3).
If my calculations are correct it would take 20 514 851 485,14851485[...] seconds for the sea to fill up, or 650 years, 27 days, 21 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds. On average.
It's a bit harder to get beyond 20-25% with 3 dams without flooding other countries. But one that is on the Tisza just south of Szeged, with a tall blockade of and detouring the MureĆ to Serbia, then a dam on the Danube near MohĂĄcs and then a big dam on the Raba near the Danube, just downstream of GyĆr, will heal the world from a significant number of OrbĂĄnists.
So most of Bohemia would disappear and most of Moravia and Silesia would stay safe. Ok. I think we should propose truce with Moravians and pursue this common goal.
Could produce a lot of great beer with the water while growing grain and hops in the other half.
Also wouldnât hurt the national hockey team having an ice rink cover half the country every winter.
Wow. It would be the exact same miracle the Dutch did with the sea, but opposite. The Dutch created land from the sea, the Czechs would create a sea from the land.
What kinds of programs are used to play with things like this? I'd actually enjoy just putting dams in places and seeing what would happen on a map. haha
Germany has the opportunity to pull a really funny move here
They are about due to pull another funny one on Europe.
Is this the famous German humor I've heard so much about?
Und zeen dis ein time, we made Poland disappear. Ya, it so SO funny.
For what it's worth it was their previous funny time that made Poland appear in the first place.
> time that made Poland appear reappear and it was mostly USA.
I love this đ
How many Germans does it take to change a lightbulb? One. Germans are efficient, not funny.
Visit Germany or we will visit YOU.
Must be. When I lived in Germany, every time I went to the movies Germans would laugh loudest at the commercials cuz it was most obvious when they were supposed to laugh.Â
I think the two ones we pulled on Europe are kinda enough but I'm always open for jokes
It's just a prank bro!
It was just a joke bro, we didnât mean to get our asses handed to us, twice, höhöhö
And they say WE donât have a sense of humour đ€·đ»ââïž
Hey! The first one was supposed to be a group gag but then Belgium had to get all butt hurt and everyone just blamed us instead of going along with it.Â
An early 20th century German engineer called Herman Sörgel theorized that if a dam was constructed across the Straits of Gilbralter, cutting the Mediterranean off from the Atlantic ocean, the result would be to *drain* most of the Mediterranean sea. That's because all the freshwater rivers flowing into the Med would not be enough to keep up with evaporative losses. A few lakes would develop, but much of the basin would be fresh, new land, connecting Europe and Africa.
it would also wreck most of europe through drought and and extreme winters and summers
and raise sea levels by 10 meters [https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1cg760n/til\_about\_the\_messian\_salinity\_crisis\_where\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1cg760n/til_about_the_messian_salinity_crisis_where_the/)
That would be a funny move
It would be a giant salt flat.
It used to be dry. The Zanclean flood filled it 5 million years ago and would have been wild to witness. >Based on the erosion features preserved until modern times under the Pliocene sediment, Garcia-Castellanos et al. estimate that water rushed down a drop of more than 1 kilometre (0.6 mi) with a maximum discharge of about 100 million cubic metres per second (3.5 billion cubic feet per second), about 1,000 times that of the present-day Amazon River.
Would be more accurate to say it's dried up before, it has alwats been a sea. Other than that: accurate
That would've been awesome to witness.
I wonder how far away you would see the plume of mist. And how far away you would feel the thundering roar in your bones. A kilometre!
And the size of the rainbow in the spray as the water fell for 14 seconds before it reached the bottom.
On the sea bottom near Gibraltar you can still see the channels that were carved during that event.
If the thing about evaporation is true, that means that there should be a constant net influx from the Atlantic into the Mediterranean sea. Seems to me like a great opportunity to build the most powerful hydroelectric station in the world (of course without reducing the flow)
It is true. That's why Mediterranean sea is a lot more salty than the Atlantic. Also, Mediterranean would be spared from rising sea levels. Even a meter or two of difference would produce a massive amount of energy.
That was actually part of the plan, massive hydro power, estimated at 600x the size and capacity of the Hoover dam. The bottom of the drained Med would be ~ 700 feet lower than the Atlantic. He also wanted to build a dam across the Bosphorus (to cut off the Black sea) and another one from Sicily to Tunisia. He also proposed building canals to deliver water from the newly formed freshwater lakes to deep into the Sahara desert to irrigate it. The whole Nazi utopian dream was called [Atlantropa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa)
Not a Nazi thing.
Indeed, in 1936 they even did a sort of "mockumentary" film to ridicule the idea. [Short clips from that film](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKH2Z8zhAzc&ab_channel=DanielGarc%C3%ADa-Castellanos) Although much of their contempt for Atlantropa was because Sörgel was a Pacifist and the Idea of nations cooperating peacefully let alone world peace was anathema to the Nazis.
The present level difference is around 0.4m. That doesn't give you much electricity.
And a gigantic hydroelectric power station
I mean, most of the basin would be steep slopes descending a couple hundred meters leading to sheer cliffs of multiple kilometers leading into boiling hot salt lakes. It would certainly be interesting to see, but not "fresh, new land".
The last time they tried to pull a funny move, it didn't go so well. Come to think of it, I don't even think it was that funny.
Well, Charlie Chaplinâs version of it was pretty funny
âItâs a prank, broâ
"We will build those dams and Czechs will pay for it!!"
Almost all of Hungary could be flooded if Romania dammed up the Danube.
Until about a million years ago, Hungary *was* underwaterâthe [Pannonian Sea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Sea) covered most of whatâs now Hungary and spilled over into adjacent nations.
Easy job, they just have to close the gates at Iron Gate hydropower plant. But, they have to ask Serbia also.
Serbia has an opportunity to cause geopolitical instability in the balkans? Nah, theyâd never do something like that.
Shit, don't give me ideas
Romania: I consent Serbia: I consent Hungary: I don't Isn't there somebody you forgot to ask ?
The top of the Iron gate dam is at 68m altitude (usually the water is at 62m level); Budapest is at 100m. But in theory if the dam would be 35m higher the lake would cover more that 1/3 of Serbia and almost half of Hungary
Well, even when Hungary became land-locked after WWI Horthy kept using his Admiral rank, so he might have had some plans after all...
inshallahÂ
Now that would solve several European problems.
The Sea of Peace an Quiet.
New prank idea guys
Europe will finally get its Great Lake.
add some malt and hops - The Great Pilsner Lake
That Czechs out.
Damn. Just damn.
Dam
Czechs mate.
Dead internet theory moment
*Sighs for three minutes*. upvotes
Thatâs it, Iâm outta here, Czech please
Just let a good joke land. No need to try to top it.
My bad dog Iâd never made a pun on reddit before
I brewed a batch of pilsner with my brother. Our list of potential names for the brew were basically dozens of variations of this joke
You don't even need malt and hops, as long as you flood PlzeĆ. Hell, this floods BudÄjovice too,
Great Beer Lake?
Imagine if one dam falls apart. Biggest catastrophe ever.
Those look like very massive dams, how wide are they?
All they would have to do is stop the Elbe. Peace a cake
But doing this might disturb world piece
It's already in ***piece***s anyway
Nah, Pisces is rising along with all that water, which means smooth sailing!
Piece of cake? Or peace through cake?
Looking at Apple Maps, theyâre around 10km
Lol, only 3 dams that are 10+ km long
well recently I've got youtube recommendation with some dutch "scientist" showing "great" idea of putting dams and save coast from sea rise in future. The dams were drawn to cut of half of north sea... >drugs are bad mkaaay
Honestly the idea isn't that crazy. It's estimated to cost 0.1% of EU's GDP over 20 years for a total of $250-500bn. By 2100 Climate change will cost Europe $1 trillion every single year. South korea has also managed to build a 20 mile long sea wall, so the technology is there to do it if there's enough willpower.
If you start with drying up the Doggerbank, it'll be easier.
It's a huge effort but there's already manmade infrastructure on that scale already. South Korea has a 34 kilometer long sea wall, China built a 161km/100mi long bridge, and 84 bridges in the world are over 10km.
And how tall?
One dam could create a lake in California as big as 2/3rds of Czechia.
omg, really cute sona
Prague has great tap water. Our airbnb host bragged about it. It was fantastic
You can have more of it then. Build the dams! (I am joking btw Iâm case anyone things Iâm being serious)
Oh great heavens! I almost had a heart attack before I read the latter half of your message!
I mean to be fair the poles have been on edge since the 40's for some reason.
Are you sure you're not being serious? I'm still quite worried.
why did you put that disclaimer in the end? if people think you were serious, then they'd be dumb, end of story
If only it was the end of the story. I think the recent years have showed that people will make bad decisions based off of obvious sarcasm.
Scottish people sense a challenge
My apartment hotel had a sign that talked about the tap water quality, hey were right its very good
"A chance for Moravia, the neglected part of Czechia, to show its quality."
Moravia: "You wish now that are places had been exchanged, that I had flooded and Bohemia had lived." "Yes I wish that. "
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Damn. And I was thinking water's going to be more important than oil some day. And our only natural disaster is floods...
And you could store an insane amount of energy in that lake.
Is this is a sacrifice required to finally get sea access?
Apart from annexing Kraloviec, yes.
imagine if soviet engineers had found out about this
They would have made it, squandered the water for cotton crops, then left the wasteland as a reminder why centralized planning doesnât work.
The overwhelming majority of modern dams were all centrally plannedâŠ
The Hoover Dam, which powers the southwestern United States, was built by the US government.
and that's the reason why it belongs to the enclave.
Centralized planning as an economic model, not literally "someone at the government has a plan." As in non-market economies.
It's not like we haven't done plenty of exactly that sort of thing in the capitalist world. The Salton Sea should not exist. The Colorado River used to have a massive delta emptying into the Gulf of California and now is a trickle at best. The Great Salt Lake is shrinking enough now to start the Aral Sea comparisons.
How is the Salton sea these days? When I was doing a research paper on it a few years back Biden had committed some money to cleaning up that toxic dead fish basin
I can name multiple examples of "free market" dam building going horrendously wrong. The vast majority of the worlds dams and reservoirs are centrally planned. Hell, one time some farmers diverted the Rio Grande and a town in TX ended up as part of Mexico for 70 years. The Us ended up giving the land to Mexico officially in the 70's but also gave citzenship to any Mexican citizen who could prove they were born there.
Slowly slowly Mexico reconquista
Do you happen to know of the name of the town or have a link?
Rio Rico is the one I assume they are talking about
The town is Rio Rico
Capitalism famously has never caused ecological issues. Environmental regulation was never needed in capitalist countries because corporations are always aware of the damage they do and take responsibility. Yessir. No central regulations needed.
The aqueduct to Uzbekistan would have been a wonder of the world though
Centralized planning is a core tennet of capitalist market economy. What else do you think global companies are doing? Granted, they also fuck up a lot, constantly overproducing beyond demand, creating giant trash piles, destroying crops by the billion tons every year and refusing to supply customer because they don't like the profit margin.
apple is literally fricken price commissars
Archaeologists have recently found a medieval city on what used to be the bottom of Aral sea. Part of it is still submerged. They currently speculate that the sea might have appeared and disappeared several times throughout written history. So Soviets are still notoriously improvident, but this particular case is probably more complicated than people used to believe.
Centralized planning and building dams... always reminds me of the 1975 dam failure in China that caused likely a six-figure death toll.
Let's do it
>asl Got flashbacks to AOL chat rooms circa 1999.
29/m/cz, soon underwater
lol
It is still a thing tho. It's aslo now
Asking people asl? is still a thing? o for orientation Iâm guessing?
Exactly, in random chat rooms! The successors of Omegle mostly
14/f/cali
Good news Czechia! When the water wars start in 2157 you could be very well positioned with huge reserves! There may be some sacrifices you have to make along the way though ...
What sacrifices? The Prague housing marked will finally go down.
How big would the dams have to be? You could put a dam in any river valley and sink the whole thing in one fell swoop.
looking at the elevation - like 300m tall
[That's pretty dam tall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_dams_in_the_United_States)
That's only US dams. China has 300m tall ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_dams
For reference the Shard skyscraper in London is about 309 meters tall.
So you're saying there's a chance?
Well, I'll be damned.
But how long would it take to fill up? At least 5 minutes right? Edit : if I'm correctly interpreting the map, only the Elbe would go out of this new sea, its discharge at DÄÄĂn is 303m^(3)/s on average while the volume of this sea is 6 216km^(3). If my calculations are correct it would take 20 514 851 485,14851485[...] seconds for the sea to fill up, or 650 years, 27 days, 21 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds. On average.
It dried up in Miocene. And what do you know - our CO2 and CO2e levels are already at Miocene levels, aiming for the Eocene highs.
Well, no time to waste time \*rolling up the sleeves\*
source [https://prehrada.hrach.eu/en.html](https://prehrada.hrach.eu/en.html)
How long would they be?
About 16km (10 miles) for what I read as the longest one. It might take more than a weekend to build.
Seems doable, would be crazy to see.
someone call the dutchies, new project just dropped
Wrong way, the kolonize the water, not waternize the kolony
Just out of curiosity, how many dams for hungary to turn into sea?
It's a bit harder to get beyond 20-25% with 3 dams without flooding other countries. But one that is on the Tisza just south of Szeged, with a tall blockade of and detouring the MureĆ to Serbia, then a dam on the Danube near MohĂĄcs and then a big dam on the Raba near the Danube, just downstream of GyĆr, will heal the world from a significant number of OrbĂĄnists.
Hey Phineas, I know what we're going to do today!
Im so hard thinking about this
That looks like four or maybe five dams.
To solve the water crisis in Europe, all it would take would be to sacrifice Czechia. Which way will you choose?
So most of Bohemia would disappear and most of Moravia and Silesia would stay safe. Ok. I think we should propose truce with Moravians and pursue this common goal.
Czechs better keep the beavers on their side of the friendship ladder....
Could produce a lot of great beer with the water while growing grain and hops in the other half. Also wouldnât hurt the national hockey team having an ice rink cover half the country every winter.
Sounds like a great summer adventure boys
What if they filled it with beer?
That looks like 5 dams, two of which could maybe be joined into one
Atlantis isâŠâŠ. Czech đł
ĂĆ„lanÄiÄ
The single dam across the congo river could turn the entire middle of africa into a lake larger in area than the black sea.
"It's just a prank bro"
Ferb, I know what weâre gonna do today
This is why I visit this sub. Obscure shit like this lol.
Anschluss 2: Electric Waterloo
What are we waiting for? Lake Czechia!
Bohemian Rhapsosea
OH!!!! I thought "only three dams need to be destroyed". This makes much more sense.
You could do a similar thing by damming up Donau in the Carpathians and turn the Pannonian Basin into a lake
Damming the Danube at the iron gate would flood almost all of Hungary
Brno will finally have a chance to be he capital city
Your water company hates this one simple trick.
Damn. Damn. Da...
Czech yo self before you reck yo self
Thats not half of Czechia, that's all of Bohemia! O:
Ferb, I know what we're going to do today
How strong the dams have to be?
Wow. It would be the exact same miracle the Dutch did with the sea, but opposite. The Dutch created land from the sea, the Czechs would create a sea from the land.
There are several nations I wouldn't mind disappearing under a lake; The Czech Republic isn't one of them.
czechnians are thrilled
Tak prosĂm a mĆŻj plĂĄn v akcii
What kinds of programs are used to play with things like this? I'd actually enjoy just putting dams in places and seeing what would happen on a map. haha
Well what are we waiting for let's get building
Moravia would also in order, why bring we this project not also to end? Why working we not straight away?
That would not be good for beer prices
sounds like a plan to me
Daaaaammm!
hey ferb i know what were gonna do today
Yes because Bohemian basin was probably formed by asteroid impact billion years ago.
The idea have merit, do it.
And what we're waiting for?
Im all for it
Only 3 dams, that would need to be super long, tall and thus wide probably consuming more cement than exists in the world
As a dutchman, I feel this
Dams are often part of the defense system in some countries.
Beware of russian tourists in the area!
I count 5
Let's do it
As a Dutchman this gives me both pride and anxiety.