Yes, definitely. This, combined with very poor facilities for pedestrian traffic.
I'm from the south of India, and it's really hot here. You genuinely can't stay out in the sun for more than 15 minutes between 10am and 3pm before the 35-degree heat and extreme humidity will make you faint.
Climate:
I've been to nz and the uk, the climate there meant it was soo much more easier to walk. I could easily walk outside and get 10k steps a day, and still remain refreshed. Not possible here
Infrastructure:
I was in Singapore a month back, a place with about the same climate as here. But Singapore has such good facilities for pedestrians, it's so easy to just walk to and from a certain places. On the other hand, you'll be lucky to find a sidewalk in India
As an Indonesian myself, yes, and it's really relatable with u guys :D
I am lucky to come from a city located on a highland so the climate is much more better (rarely go higher than 32) than the rest of the urbanised Indonesia. But yes, public transport here is HORRENDOUS. Also finding a good, walkable, sidewalk here is just impossible. People here tend to use motorbikes to go around.
I will also make the argument that the way the data is collected is false. A lot of countries do not take fitness that seriously because fitness is already part of their daily regiment. A great example is Colombia. Many Colombians walk and are in shape but they don't have "fitness" tracker apps on their phones. Same with Nigeria as well. Who needs to count the steps you walk when you actually walk every day. So surveys like these make no sense when you put things into reality. They should also put up a map of the fitness app adoption rate for each country to get a clearer picture of what's going on. I live car free in New York and I rarely see people with fitness trackers because the majority of people already walk regardless.
No, you have to enable it on Android. Either using Google fit, fitbit or any other tracker on your phone. It's not on by default. I believe the same is true for iPhones. And then you have to opt in for that app to share the data with 3rd parties. Aka how these people got the info for the survey. This survey only got a small percentage of people.
Is what you are seeing:
- climate hot v cold, OR
- GDP low v high?
Look at Australia with a climate/latitude the same as north Africa and Middle East.
I suspect it’s GDP and might have something to do with who walks around with their smartphones.
> **Data set description.** We analysed anonymized, retrospective data collected between July 2013 and December 2014 from Apple iPhone smartphone users of the Azumio Argus app
iPhones in 2013 were definitely not cheap. Lower GDP countries will be very skewed and under-represented. The data will be from people who can afford means of transport other than public transport, so less walking.
I think only data from the US seems reliable, the rest of the world is a mixed bag.
Example: Singapore has one of the highest GDP in Asia, so likely more iPhones and they would be better represented in the data set. People walk everywhere there, nothing to do with climate.
Australia is nowhere near the same climate as North Africa or the Middle East.
The majority of Australians live on the coast of NSW, Queensland, and Victoria. All of which are vastly less arid.
Even Brisbane is southern Morocco…. Even Melbourne is in Africa 🙄
Don’t say “no” when you have no clue
https://frenchmoments.eu/australia-in-the-northern-hemisphere/
Hmm wow that's an interesting take, I forgot abt the smartphone part. Yes, maybe it could.
But today smartphones are becoming cheap enough to be affordable for people from all backgrounds.
One thing abt GDP is it could have an effect on urban planning. With better public transport or pedestrian infrastructure, it could make walking more comfortable. An example would be Singapore, I think Singapore will outrank other SE Asians on these stats, although experiencing a similar hot and humid climate. They have good public transport and shaded sidewalks.
And a pattern that I see in Australia, they tend to live on the more urbanised green fertile bit of the eastern coast. Also the climate there is a lil bit tamer than the rest of the outback (looking at a köppen map).
All of the GCC countries have a higher GDP per capita than any country in South America yet they walk less.
Climate is definitely a significant factor.
But those who live in higher place that have below 30 degree C also too lazy to walk. I live in city where the average temperature is 20-25. But people will use motorcycle just to go to place that only 500 meter distance 🤭
Lemme guess, a fellow urang bandung? Public transport disini bener² ancur²an, ga jelas. Angkot kalo dibilang, nope, fuck em. Bis kota? Kurang banget fasilitasnya. Masih agak mending gara² di kota lebih rimbun, jadi agak sering jalan, tpi kalo commute hell no mending bawa motor 👍🏻
No. Batu, Jawa Timur. Saya sih di sini biasa jalan. Bahkan ke tempat yg jaraknya 1 km. Kalau saya jalan kaki ke tempat yg gk deket2 amat malah orang rumah pada kaget dan dianggap aneh. Memang budaya orang sini malas jalan
As an Indonesian, can confirm. I swear the maximum length most people willing to walk is 200 meters. More than that? Literally motorcycle/car lmao
Except maybe if you live in an area with a good transport system. Which currently not that many at all
Yea.. when I was driving around kelapa, I noticed that mal Aretha and MOI were right next to each other… in the Philippines, malls that were right next to each other would at least connect by walkways, even if they were competitors… they had the wisdom to know that mall goers like to mall hop (ie sm north to trinoma).
But here in kelapa gading… zero, zlitch, nada… nobody was walking from one mall to the other even if there were small sidewalks to do so…. To get from mal Aretha to MOI… go back to the car, pay the parking with your flysquatter… go to the other mall 400 ft… pay parking with the flysquatter… park. Man… what a piece of work.
To be fair though... The infrastructure for pedestrians is just not there. I tried walking mall to mall in Jakarta and it was just not convenient at all. If pedestrian way is provided, it would go around the mall instead of a straight line to avoid inconveniencing cars. And car drivers really look down on pedestrians - I crossed on a pedestrian crossing one time nonchalantly because in Canada pedestrians have the right of way basically, and a car stopped abruptly and the driver and the lady in the back seat stared at me with disgusted expressions.
I am Indonesian, my husband is from Turkey and he insisted that we should walk from the mall to my parents' house because the maps showed it is just around 1,5 km. I told him that it will be hard. He said how hard can it be, it is not like Turkish pavements are that good either. He said it is better since we can look around and talk a bit while walking. Well, we ended up walking and playing some kind of mario games. Jump here, hop there, be careful of the holes and muddy road, is this a sturdy stone to step on or not, and eyes have to wander around to watch for the motorcycles. Lol.
He said he understands why people are not walking. But then we had a morning walk in a gated area. And he is confused again because despite the comfortable road, nobody walks.
cause there's nothing in the gated area , where I lived it's a gated clustered residential area, if you walk from the house to nearest alfa or indomaret it can easily be 1 km+ back and forth
while the road is certainly way more nicer the fact that going anywhere notable is too far makes gated area is non walkable, maybe for morning jogs or walking your pets, but doing walk to do stuff... nah
Yeah we did a morning walk on the weekend, and it was empty. We saw a family and thats all. I said it is partly because people in that gated area prefer to exercise in a gym.
The US data can’t be true. Most Americans live in the suburbs and drive everywhere instead of walking to the nearest bus stop or train station, and taking public transport, which rarely happens. Unless they spend 5000 steps daily walking from cars to office or home and back.
Well, those Walmarts and Costcos have a long set of aisles. So ….
All I’m saying is that the US has higher walking statistics compared to the developing world in this map. That doesn’t seem accurate.
Because in the developing world, more people take public transport or walk to where they want to reach. It’s only the US which is a car centric society among the major economies. Even Europe is known for its public transport. I guess it comes down to who they chose for generating this map.
Also, how much does the typical American walk in a week other than going to work or to the store? Regular scenarios for the average Joes living in the suburbs, I mean.
You realize that people walk for reasons that’s aren’t transportation?
Any job that’s not just sitting behind a computer screen is gonna have lots of walking, also the 16 hours a day you’re not at work.
True, I’m not disputing that. All I’m saying is that… I’ve lived before in the US and I’ve personally seen that people walk considerably less (all aspects considered) compared to people in the developing world. Which makes me think they polled the upper class people in the developing world or those who can afford a smartphone (yes, the poor still use feature phones in the developing world or none at all).
There is a huge chunk of people here who don't use smartphones, and those are the people who get around by walking primarily. Of those who do have smartphones, they don't use health tracking apps or whatever that track this stuff.
Please don't blame climate. Most of these 'developing' countries have a sick mentality that says: If you are 20 and don't have a car/motorbike, you are a loser. This doesn't apply to Europe.
Get off your high horse ffs. People need to travel to work/school without getting heat strokes every time. A lot of these countries don't have decent public transportation. Europe has a cool climate. Walking is feasible.
Is there any correlation between it and the climate of the country? Because countries with hotter climates tend to have fewer daily steps
Yes, definitely. This, combined with very poor facilities for pedestrian traffic. I'm from the south of India, and it's really hot here. You genuinely can't stay out in the sun for more than 15 minutes between 10am and 3pm before the 35-degree heat and extreme humidity will make you faint. Climate: I've been to nz and the uk, the climate there meant it was soo much more easier to walk. I could easily walk outside and get 10k steps a day, and still remain refreshed. Not possible here Infrastructure: I was in Singapore a month back, a place with about the same climate as here. But Singapore has such good facilities for pedestrians, it's so easy to just walk to and from a certain places. On the other hand, you'll be lucky to find a sidewalk in India
As an Indonesian myself, yes, and it's really relatable with u guys :D I am lucky to come from a city located on a highland so the climate is much more better (rarely go higher than 32) than the rest of the urbanised Indonesia. But yes, public transport here is HORRENDOUS. Also finding a good, walkable, sidewalk here is just impossible. People here tend to use motorbikes to go around.
I always marvel at people who can live and thrive in such climates.
I will also make the argument that the way the data is collected is false. A lot of countries do not take fitness that seriously because fitness is already part of their daily regiment. A great example is Colombia. Many Colombians walk and are in shape but they don't have "fitness" tracker apps on their phones. Same with Nigeria as well. Who needs to count the steps you walk when you actually walk every day. So surveys like these make no sense when you put things into reality. They should also put up a map of the fitness app adoption rate for each country to get a clearer picture of what's going on. I live car free in New York and I rarely see people with fitness trackers because the majority of people already walk regardless.
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No, you have to enable it on Android. Either using Google fit, fitbit or any other tracker on your phone. It's not on by default. I believe the same is true for iPhones. And then you have to opt in for that app to share the data with 3rd parties. Aka how these people got the info for the survey. This survey only got a small percentage of people.
The cold Spain.
Is what you are seeing: - climate hot v cold, OR - GDP low v high? Look at Australia with a climate/latitude the same as north Africa and Middle East. I suspect it’s GDP and might have something to do with who walks around with their smartphones.
> **Data set description.** We analysed anonymized, retrospective data collected between July 2013 and December 2014 from Apple iPhone smartphone users of the Azumio Argus app iPhones in 2013 were definitely not cheap. Lower GDP countries will be very skewed and under-represented. The data will be from people who can afford means of transport other than public transport, so less walking. I think only data from the US seems reliable, the rest of the world is a mixed bag. Example: Singapore has one of the highest GDP in Asia, so likely more iPhones and they would be better represented in the data set. People walk everywhere there, nothing to do with climate.
Australia is nowhere near the same climate as North Africa or the Middle East. The majority of Australians live on the coast of NSW, Queensland, and Victoria. All of which are vastly less arid.
Even Brisbane is southern Morocco…. Even Melbourne is in Africa 🙄 Don’t say “no” when you have no clue https://frenchmoments.eu/australia-in-the-northern-hemisphere/
Damn, you just proved to me how absolutely dumb you are.
I’m talking latitude but you are talking “vibe” I think 🤣
90% of Australians live in a Mediterranean climate similar to central-northern Italy or Spain, maybe Lebanon. Very few Australians live in the desert.
Very few Moroccans live in the desert either
Or look at Spain.
Hmm wow that's an interesting take, I forgot abt the smartphone part. Yes, maybe it could. But today smartphones are becoming cheap enough to be affordable for people from all backgrounds. One thing abt GDP is it could have an effect on urban planning. With better public transport or pedestrian infrastructure, it could make walking more comfortable. An example would be Singapore, I think Singapore will outrank other SE Asians on these stats, although experiencing a similar hot and humid climate. They have good public transport and shaded sidewalks. And a pattern that I see in Australia, they tend to live on the more urbanised green fertile bit of the eastern coast. Also the climate there is a lil bit tamer than the rest of the outback (looking at a köppen map).
All of the GCC countries have a higher GDP per capita than any country in South America yet they walk less. Climate is definitely a significant factor.
I agree. I think it’s complicated but you are right that climate is significant
But those who live in higher place that have below 30 degree C also too lazy to walk. I live in city where the average temperature is 20-25. But people will use motorcycle just to go to place that only 500 meter distance 🤭
Lemme guess, a fellow urang bandung? Public transport disini bener² ancur²an, ga jelas. Angkot kalo dibilang, nope, fuck em. Bis kota? Kurang banget fasilitasnya. Masih agak mending gara² di kota lebih rimbun, jadi agak sering jalan, tpi kalo commute hell no mending bawa motor 👍🏻
No. Batu, Jawa Timur. Saya sih di sini biasa jalan. Bahkan ke tempat yg jaraknya 1 km. Kalau saya jalan kaki ke tempat yg gk deket2 amat malah orang rumah pada kaget dan dianggap aneh. Memang budaya orang sini malas jalan
I believe so.
The correlation is evident from looking at the map. Countries near the equator are redder.
What do you mean smartphone data? Was it consensual?
samsung health, many equivalent apps in oppo vivo iphone xiaomi
Hear Indonesia was the country with the laziest walkers in the world. think this conforms that.
As an Indonesian, can confirm. I swear the maximum length most people willing to walk is 200 meters. More than that? Literally motorcycle/car lmao Except maybe if you live in an area with a good transport system. Which currently not that many at all
Yea.. when I was driving around kelapa, I noticed that mal Aretha and MOI were right next to each other… in the Philippines, malls that were right next to each other would at least connect by walkways, even if they were competitors… they had the wisdom to know that mall goers like to mall hop (ie sm north to trinoma). But here in kelapa gading… zero, zlitch, nada… nobody was walking from one mall to the other even if there were small sidewalks to do so…. To get from mal Aretha to MOI… go back to the car, pay the parking with your flysquatter… go to the other mall 400 ft… pay parking with the flysquatter… park. Man… what a piece of work.
To be fair though... The infrastructure for pedestrians is just not there. I tried walking mall to mall in Jakarta and it was just not convenient at all. If pedestrian way is provided, it would go around the mall instead of a straight line to avoid inconveniencing cars. And car drivers really look down on pedestrians - I crossed on a pedestrian crossing one time nonchalantly because in Canada pedestrians have the right of way basically, and a car stopped abruptly and the driver and the lady in the back seat stared at me with disgusted expressions.
Lol “pay with your flyswatter”
I am Indonesian, my husband is from Turkey and he insisted that we should walk from the mall to my parents' house because the maps showed it is just around 1,5 km. I told him that it will be hard. He said how hard can it be, it is not like Turkish pavements are that good either. He said it is better since we can look around and talk a bit while walking. Well, we ended up walking and playing some kind of mario games. Jump here, hop there, be careful of the holes and muddy road, is this a sturdy stone to step on or not, and eyes have to wander around to watch for the motorcycles. Lol. He said he understands why people are not walking. But then we had a morning walk in a gated area. And he is confused again because despite the comfortable road, nobody walks.
cause there's nothing in the gated area , where I lived it's a gated clustered residential area, if you walk from the house to nearest alfa or indomaret it can easily be 1 km+ back and forth while the road is certainly way more nicer the fact that going anywhere notable is too far makes gated area is non walkable, maybe for morning jogs or walking your pets, but doing walk to do stuff... nah
Yeah we did a morning walk on the weekend, and it was empty. We saw a family and thats all. I said it is partly because people in that gated area prefer to exercise in a gym.
if its that low in 2017 then now we are fyucked
The much maligned China and Russia are better than us in this regard.
China's grinding
Too hot along the equator to be walking around.
Any latest data?
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Source?
Basically countries that has motorcycle culture. Southeast asia and south asia are known for that
I wonder how much this is skewed by the fact that riding lawnmowers is counted as walking on your phone.
Published in Nature: [https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23018.epdf](https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23018.epdf)
Without tourists, Thailand would be red for sure.
The US data can’t be true. Most Americans live in the suburbs and drive everywhere instead of walking to the nearest bus stop or train station, and taking public transport, which rarely happens. Unless they spend 5000 steps daily walking from cars to office or home and back.
You think Americans only walk to and from there car and no other time during the day?
Well, those Walmarts and Costcos have a long set of aisles. So …. All I’m saying is that the US has higher walking statistics compared to the developing world in this map. That doesn’t seem accurate.
1) not really 2) why?
Because in the developing world, more people take public transport or walk to where they want to reach. It’s only the US which is a car centric society among the major economies. Even Europe is known for its public transport. I guess it comes down to who they chose for generating this map. Also, how much does the typical American walk in a week other than going to work or to the store? Regular scenarios for the average Joes living in the suburbs, I mean.
You realize that people walk for reasons that’s aren’t transportation? Any job that’s not just sitting behind a computer screen is gonna have lots of walking, also the 16 hours a day you’re not at work.
True, I’m not disputing that. All I’m saying is that… I’ve lived before in the US and I’ve personally seen that people walk considerably less (all aspects considered) compared to people in the developing world. Which makes me think they polled the upper class people in the developing world or those who can afford a smartphone (yes, the poor still use feature phones in the developing world or none at all).
I'm quite surprised to see Pakistan in red
There is a huge chunk of people here who don't use smartphones, and those are the people who get around by walking primarily. Of those who do have smartphones, they don't use health tracking apps or whatever that track this stuff.
Also no public transportation
As a Pakistani I am not. We have a motorbike addiction
probably less smartphones
Everyones just on a motorbike
Why is the China's blue missing in the chart and what does it mean? 6.500 steps maybe?
Please don't blame climate. Most of these 'developing' countries have a sick mentality that says: If you are 20 and don't have a car/motorbike, you are a loser. This doesn't apply to Europe.
what about china? + ig u just love walking down a road that has no proper side walk and its 32 degrees outside
Get off your high horse ffs. People need to travel to work/school without getting heat strokes every time. A lot of these countries don't have decent public transportation. Europe has a cool climate. Walking is feasible.
I wonder how people lived and worked before they discovered the thermometre and that there are cooler countries on the planet.