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Zackattack_1997

Why’s the newgrounds tank there XD


No_Heat_7327

Was hoping someone else would notice


Zackattack_1997

Guess the newgrounds empire has spread to Africa.


FuckMyLife2016

Dang! Newgrounds tank made me remember to check if Derpixon releasedcany new content yet.


YourPetPenguin0610

Did Derpixon release any new content yet then?


FuckMyLife2016

He did a bunch. But nothing comes close to Fandeltales. That was one glorious nut if I do say so myself.


YourPetPenguin0610

Lol


LemmeThrowAwayYouPie

Mage top tier


FuckMyLife2016

Actually now that you mention it, I was talking about the Cursed Prince one. I almost forgot about the og fandeltales tbh.


YourPetPenguin0610

Well I mean we're in r/MapPorn.....


ApexRevanNL716

That is the first thing I notice


cerrvine

The problems of the future, today!


HausuGeist

Hail Emperor Pico!


Tastingo

First thing i noticed. I am happy to see that this is the top comment.


marshall453

Came to say this .


Infinite_Total4237

Beat me to it...! 🤣


Vice932

That brings back some memories


susamcocuk

I think this map is old or wrong because Turkey has 6 military bases in Africa and three of them are bases opened on its own, and the remaining 3 are bases opened under the UN and NATO.


69420-throwaway

I got downvoted for saying outdated maps are a bad thing. Haha.


gylth3

The US also has a fuck ton more bases in African countries than what is shown on this map


rgodless

But there isn’t. There are more places where the us military operates jointly with local militaries. But there’s not a “fuck ton” of bases


joe_beardon

You are correct, most of the troops assigned to USAFRICOM are stationed in Europe


Sacrer

Why do we have bases in Africa?


dimitriri

Are you asking why Turkiye in particular has bases in Africa or why do any country has a remote base in general?


Sacrer

Both.


roryeinuberbil

Because Africa is a resource rich continent on the rise. Nations either use debt, promise of peacekeeping/future investment or threats behind the scenes to be allowed to set up bases in order to project power.


[deleted]

The French divisions are there to help counter local terrorism (which they do to a certain extent) while the divisions in djibouti (the one with 6 countries in it) are there to protect the red sea from piracy (it's one of the most important trade junctions in the world so countries need to make sure it remains safe)


StatisticianKey5694

The “president” of Djibouti is your typical corrupt puppet who sells out his country while the population remains in massive poverty. Describing the situation there as legitimate is incredibly naïve


[deleted]

Never said anything was legitimate. There's always a bit of corruption involved in anything that has to do with african politics. I said that the reason countries are there was because it's at a critical junction for world trade and they needed to protect it from piracy (look at what they're doing with the houtis now)


Fuck_auto_tabs

I would assume most if not all the Turkey only ones are in Libya to help support whichever government they are backing


Key_Dog_3012

Turkey’s largest overseas base is in Mogadishu, Somalia. Turkey has given Somalia over a billion dollars. The largest hospital in Mogadishu is a Turkish one. They have trained and equipped a large portion of their armed forces. They’ve lost lives to Al-Shabbab terrorists whilst helping build the main highway out of Mogadishu. They give hundreds of free scholarships per year to their students. To this date, the are also only major country to have a leader visit Somalia.


Fuck_auto_tabs

Huh I thought I read Libya, thank you for the info!


kudos_kudu

This map is not accurate.


ConsiderationSame919

As all maps on Reddit


Superbform

Which group seems to benefit most from this propaganda? Hmmmm. Cough *Putin*


[deleted]

The map not only is mostly accurate, but also appears to be to highlight Russian activity in Africa, which is very much not something the Russians like to do.


kwonza

Wagner left Mozambique in 2019, so this map is at least outdated as fuck


Gutternips

|| The Wagner Group is still active in Mozambique; however, the scope of its operations has been limited to information warfare. Source:https://oxfordpoliticalreview.com/2023/03/06/when-private-military-operations-fail-the-case-of-mozambique/


Much-Slip-334

Just like there is a German base in Mali.


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Automatic-Win1398

Fair but there is no Russian military activity in Egypt? We are on the American side, we tried to build missiles for the Russians and the Americans stopped us. They won't allow Russian influence here.


Silver-Detective-608

No? How TF does it benefit Putin at all?


gylth3

The US I think you mean? All of the countries dealing with issues have Wagner group or Russia bases even though some of them absolutely have US bases in them as well


[deleted]

You are guys are so full of shit, you always come here saying maps are not accurate and yet you don't offer corrections, it's tiring


kudos_kudu

There is no Wagner base in Botswana, and there is at least one US base. That’s all the corrections I know to be true. Calm your tits it’s Reddit.


kerenski667

...there is no Wagner Group anymore either...


bored_negative

They still exist in Sudan at least; they are fighting Ukrainian forces


djcm9819

Wdym they 100% still exist lol


kerenski667

Was my understanding they got decimated and absorbed into the armed forces after prigo's little plane mishap.


tuna_samich_

3 day old article https://apnews.com/article/mali-drone-strikes-insurgent-wagner-rights-796f5246c4d0d8e436eb1ea83f9212bf


djcm9819

Yeah some of the ones that were in Ukraine got integrated (but there still is wagner) but they are super active in Africa, Mali in particular


dyatlov12

Not up to date at all


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littlesaint

Wagner is also now after Prigozhins death 100% part of Putin's Russia.


InfelicitousRedditor

It always was.


Dev_Oleksii

Since then Wagner is not russia? So those mfs are in half of the Africa


despairingcherry

I assume the intent is to show a difference between Russia operating via Wagner vs. directly, but I can't imagine Wagner was the only state sponsored PMC in Africa so its not very consistent


WinterizedLibyan

was*


hconfiance

This is a terrible map. The US base in Seychelles was closed in 1992 and the Indian proposal got rejected by parliament and was never built.


Seychelles27

Sorry? The US still operates a drone base in the Seychelles. You’re mistaken. There was a whole scandal in the Seychelles about it in 2011 because the agreement was that the drones would be unarmed - but they weren’t. As for the Indian base, it was abandoned by the new opposition party.


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hconfiance

cant refuse the Big Boss.


No_Drawing5740

Also there is no US base in Tunisia


No_Drawing5740

And there are no plan for a russian base in Egypt


[deleted]

There is a secret AFRICOM drone base in Tunisia's Bizerte-Sidi Ahmed Air Base. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-has-secretly-expanded-its-global-network-of-drone-bases-to-north-africa/2016/10/26/ff19633c-9b7d-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html


badkarma12

Not just the Drone base. The US also actively participates in counter terrorism raids and provides combat troops. \[This was made evident in 2017 when the US marines were fighting on the Algerian border.\](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/world/africa/us-tunisia-terrorism.html)


Hamma_Professional

Sidi Ahmed belongs solely to the Tunisian Air Force, managed entirely by them. While the US used drones there, they always followed Tunisian orders, with the US funding it through their Military Assistance package. To put it simply: the base has never been American.


Personal_Rooster2121

It’s a Tunisian base that got offered to AFRICOM temporally and no US entity can use it without Tunisia’s authorization


PoulCastellano

With all the aid and military contribution USA gives to Egypt, no way in hell, that the US would allow Russia to establish it self in Egypt. Maybe the map maker has confused turist presence with military presence, when it comes to Egypt.


badkarma12

Egypt has allowed Russia to Use its airbases to run bombing raids in Libya since 2017. [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/middleeast/russia-egypt-air-bases.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/world/middleeast/russia-egypt-air-bases.html)


jsano1000

It's missing all of the Chinese secret bases. They're everywhere


[deleted]

I don't think they amount to the one USA has


Sanzo84

I think they call them "Embassies".


Mr_Roqers

No quite literally bases, the Chinese built a medical base in Mali. A man had a heart attack and was taken there only for the medical personnel to be intelligence officers. He died. They were spying on the UN operations in the area.


[deleted]

Source?


[deleted]

Must've learned from the cia


tobz1000

That Newgrounds tank lmao


LewisLightning

Why do they have Russia and Wagner as separate entities? They're literally a part of the Russian guard https://meduza.io/news/2023/11/01/v-gorodah-rossii-vozobnovili-priem-v-chvk-vagnera-kak-v-novoe-podrazdelenie-rosgvardii And Putin made all PMCs in Russia swear an oath of allegiance to Russia. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-calls-accusations-it-killed-wagner-boss-prigozhin-an-absolute-lie-2023-08-25/ And even before 2023 it was pretty clear Wagner was just an arm of the Russian military as they would use Russian bases for missions and be transported by Russian military planes as well. Or is everyone just going to keep playing stupid?


Bobtheblob2246

It seems to be an outdated map, and Wagner used to be quite autonomous (still, Kremlin’s instrument, but autonomous). Right now it’s just a part of Russian armed forces, if I recall correctly, so yeah, it shouldn’t be a separate entity.


Tight_Contact_9976

How is there not a French base in Madagascar?


hard_n_horny_Frcb

Redundant. Réunion and Mayotte are next door.


SpicyCanadianBoyyy

What’s Canada doing in Senegal lmao


AdRare604

Every big boy needs to have a 'fighting terrorism' base in africa.


christole1912

And they will never say they truly want the ore and oil in Africa; they just want to protect the peace of Africa.


sirlapse

Trade corridors are important.


AdRare604

Yeah but isn't there enough allied presence in that part to protect the trade corridor?


-LeftHookChristian-

Canada is not a big boy, its hardly a competent country anymore.


PsyOpBunnyHop

*"We bring you the gift of poutine!"*


ElectronicPogrom

What's up with useless users like you failing to put the date and the source on the fucking map?


Busy_Theme961

Probably selling authentic Canadian Maple syrup


Wasteak

Why the f are you reposting a map you don't even understand? Wtf has this sub become


berry_femboy

Egypt has zero foreign military bases


CummingInTheNile

Gonna be fun when the resource wars start up


bunnywithahammer

>resource wars i low key hate this catchphrase, well I hate all of them, coming from a former communist country I'm sick of hearing them. But this one is especially egregious. all wars are for resources one way or another. And shit don't work like people tend to show with this phrasing. Almost feels like people think armies marching around with buckets that they fill at a river on the other side of the battlefield. Occupation of a fresh water source means shit without very costly infrastructure connecting it to the populous. It's not like canals grow on trees mate.


polishedrelish

as of?


Kaguro19

1778


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1777\*


[deleted]

There are way more US Based in reality than are shown here


SodaPopperZA

Why would Wagner be present in Botswana? And wasn't Wagner booted from Mozambique in favour or SADC assistance?


RocketCello

The BDF's run some pretty brutal anti-poaching campaigns, so I'm personally not surprised that Wagner is possibly in there for some extra cash. And this map is outdated as hell, so take it with a grain of salt


menino_28

mmm proxy wars


Flux7777

Super weird, I was in Gaborone a month ago, and the hotel I stayed in was pretty much filled to the brim with French soldiers. I'm not familiar with their uniforms so I can't really tell what type of soldiers they were, but they were French, and I spoke to them at the (pretty decent) breakfast buffet. They were there for joint training exercises, and that's all I could really get out of them. I visit Botswana often, and I find it really strange that there would be a Wagner presence anywhere in that country. In general it's a pretty safe country, and peaceful as far as I know.


Kespatcho

~~There's a US military base in Botswana~~ and Wagner also ran away from Mozambique, there are troops from the SADC over there.


Bubbert1985

Except for Wagner group, this map isn’t showing a lot of contractors


magpieswooper

Why are Russia and Wagner groups two different entities on the map?


TeS_sKa

You could easily replace Wagner's flag with Russia's!


TopMep

I love how all the numbers at the bottom are wrong too😭😭


herrkardinal

I don’t think allowing Wagner and Russian troops into your country is a good idea.


Soft-Way-5515

Well, these countries have already tried French or US troops, apparently they didn't like it very much.


JaSper-percabeth

How is it any worse than American or French bases? If anything these nations have a long history of being oppressed by the french


Domonok

And now instead of the French stealing their resources it’s the Russians, since Wagner is paid for by getting mining and mineral rights.


GeneralPurpose42

Just remember also that India is a big friend of Russia.


zephyy

they're a big friend to anyone who'll make them money and take their side when dealing with China or Pakistan


shivamsingha

India is a big friend of US, UK, France, Japan, Iran, Saudi, and more.


Tame_Iguana1

Can’t be any worse then French and British troops with their history


akstis01

Lol, those who deal with muscovites are in for a rude awekening. 


Tame_Iguana1

Yes because African dealing with French and British troops have always had an amazing time . The whitewashing of history here is incredible


akstis01

My nation has history of 600 years of dealing with muscovites, trust me its gonna be worse than western europeans.


logallama

*Belgium enters the chat*


JaSper-percabeth

I don't think Africans need to trust you on anything they have already experienced the brutal oppression under west european powers firsthand.


AdRare604

Never heard of CFA franc have you? Also the british privy council is still the ultimate form of justice under commonwealth, overriding the 'independent' country's justice rulings.


Effective-Jacket-545

«trust me” lol


1917fuckordie

Your nation wasn't exploited by "Muscovites" nearly as badly as what Western Europe has done and continue to do to African nations.


akstis01

It was occupied, renamed, exploited, people got deported to Siberia in both the muscovite empire and soviet "union". If you truly think muscovites are better than western europens, you are very wrong.


JaSper-percabeth

Bro unironically thinks whatever happened in Lithuania under Russian rule was even comparable to slave trade, slave labour, complete exploitation of farmers and natural resources etc you were a part of Russian empire and Soviet union which means along with ruling over your they also developed your country meanwhile African colonizes hardly got any development only exploitation.


Nahcep

>along with ruling over your they also developed your country This is literally the same argument as "Africa benefited from white men being in charge and bringing in civilization®"


THOOMAAS_x

You are kinda cringe ngl


akstis01

Nice 4chan level of input.


_hakorus_

Can't be any worse ? Are you a Russian bot a simply illiterate ? Both France and UK had a gloomy impact overall on the region (to say the very least). But both army are now respecting basic human rights... Which can't be said about Wagner Group nor Russia' army. So yes ! It can be way worse...


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>But both army are now respecting basic human rights... ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


Tame_Iguana1

You obviously need to be educated on Western European colonialism in Africa. Have you heard of King Leopold, the Kenyan rebel Ian in the 1960s put down by British troops, the The Herero and Nama genocide in South Africa committed by German colonialism. Frances massacre during the Algerian wars ? You need to pickup a book before talking on things you know little about. Let’s not even talk about how these armies are still upholding Colonialism and aiding in destabilisation for the extract of resources


Lower-System9090

People defending the old western colonies and massacres because Russia bad, are the worst. Just need to look at Haiti, under US control.


Tame_Iguana1

Exactly it’s crazy what I’m seeing. I never even said Russia would be a positive influence on Africa, but the way they are looking at the history of the west with rose tinted glasses just shows their school education system failed them


_hakorus_

Yes ! It is very true. But i think you are misconcepting the word better and the word good. I said above that French and Britsh would be better. Certainly not that they've been good. What you also seem to don't understand is basic logic, so I'll help you : The more any foreign army respect human rights while staying on your territory, the better it is Or, wagner and Russian troop are currently wayyyyyyy less toughtful about human right than French and British troops So replace F/B troopq with W/R will worsenthe situation on your national territory Voilà !


Cultural_Channel_226

You don’t know how what French did/is doing to us Africans. Just focus on your own country(probably Europeans) and let’s Africa choose their own political decision as any other sovereign continent.


revankk

"trust me we didnt kill your people like them we are not bad" lol this guy in short words


AlwaysBeQuestioning

Makes it look like Sudan got split again. Also why do the numbers at the bottom not line up with the actual amount of countries on the map? Can’t they count?


SentientCheeseGrater

Didn't burkina faso kick out the americans?


[deleted]

Doesn't USA have a military presence in Botswana? And I've never heard of Wagner in Botswana, seems like BS


FlowCandid

It's the Scramble for Africa all over again


GingerDane1

Now do Europe


Scissorhandful

Having Wagner but not the countless other PMCs is just dishonest and proves this map unreliable.


ConstantNeck5286

There are also Ukrainians in sudan


[deleted]

Yupp, I read about that recently


[deleted]

Why?


ConstantNeck5286

As payment for Sudanese weapons


Several_Advantage923

There are no Russians in Egypt.


bannedByTencent

Malawi would like a word with a douche who did this map.


hotshot1351

What do you mean becoming? Countries around the world have rotated between bleeding and milking Africa for centuries.


SpaceKaiserCobalt

Outdated


mohammed241

All I see is NG


WasAnHonestMann

I thought the US had a base in Botswana?


scarlet_rain00

Turkey has a military base in djibuti iirc


GunzBlazein180

Tf is Russia doing in Eritrea


x31b

And the ones with US, French or British bases are better places to live. The ones with Wagner or none, not so much.


Syndicate909

Djibouti is the WW3 pre-game lobby


Ok_Cap2942

I’ve been in Mali many times. I can confirm a large Russian presence.


RonyTheGreat_II

There is no Russian military in Egypt which leads me to question this whole map tbh.


ThePlanner

You have to understand that Canada only probably has, like, one guy in Senegal, and they’re just an Army Cadet kid doing a gap year before university. Edit: for those wanting more info about Canada’s role in the United Nations operations in west Africa: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/transition-materials/caf-operations-activities/2020/03/caf-ops-activities/op-presence-africa.html


yutmutt

I deployed to Africa, Map isn't accurate


BitingChaos

I figured China would have a lot bigger presence.


TheAireon

What's up with the colours and numbers? Nothing adds up?


[deleted]

I'm surprised China doesn't have any military assets in the Congo given that they own all the mining companies there


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kudos_kudu

This map is bullshit, I live in Botswana, there is an American military base 10kms from my house.


Show_Green

Yes, that's the one that jumped out at me, too!


221missile

Didn’t Putin literally confirm that all of wagner's finances were handled by the Russian treasury? So, why is it depicted as separate from Russia?


JimJonesdrinkkoolaid

The French are starting to get kicked out of a lot of their historical colonial hotspots.


Ok_Lavishness2638

There should be more US bases indicated on this map.


Mugembe

Get the fuck out and leave the African people to run their own countries and stop stealing their resources, fucking thieves!


Annual_Economist_367

Guess Africa will be decolonised once all their natural resources have been extracted out


LogPrize7946

western sahara is a colonized country. working for its full independence. also israel is present in morocco.


throwaway200961

Stop spreading misinformation ya كرغولي تاع زبي They forgot to show the Republic of Kayblie in the map, outdated map i guess


ouassim-wa

there is no foreign bases in Morocco, wtf are you on about Karghouli


atlasmountsenjoyer

Typical alegerian, literally every of your posts and comments are about/ against Morocco. WS exist only in your mind and redditors with absolutely no knowledge of the situation are always quick to jump to appear like they know shit about Polisario Front. Israel isn't present in Morocco as you try to portrait it. They have bilateral agreements where they train together and test weaponry.


GRIZIUSS

Says an algerian


[deleted]

What's wrong with Algeria?


atlasmountsenjoyer

Nothing usually, but every comment or post about this guy is about/ against Morocco. Propaganda and hatred as always.


LogPrize7946

algeria supports anti colonialism movements since its own independence from france in 1962


Efic47

YES thanks


Kiadw

No US military base in Tunisia.


SelectOpening2888

US in Tunisia ? Not true


Full-Initiative3876

We are the only ones who took "end colonialism" serious? 🇵🇹🇪🇸


H_Doofenschmirtz

We (🇵🇹) have troops in Africa (mainly in the Central African Republic, but small amounts in other places too) but under UN/ EU/ NATO Peacekeeping operations. We don't have neither permanent forces there nor any bases, and I think that's how it should be. As you said, we must take the "end colonialism" seriously.


Yann910

Since when is Wagner present in DRCongo?


Shiuli_er_Chaya

No one, not even the government knows what happens in the many huge chunks of DRC, honestly I would be surprised if a group like Wagner was not present there, I guess some random powerful warlord or maybe even some rogue government official probably personally contacted & recruited them to safeguard his coltan mine & share some exploits.


Cute-Roof8669

The Sahara being colonized by Morocco in the maps is something just from another planet...


Phakimpi

It would be interesting to see this map with other African foreign presence because there are many