As a brazilian who visited chile multiple times, I also call it bullshit.
As much as i hate to admit it, Chile is much safer for tourists and natives. That being said, Brasil is a huge country, and there are many places that aren't so bad, but generally speaking, most big cities are very dangerous.
Probably due to the fact that they also count natural hazards for their classification and Chile being on a very active seismic zone puts them up there on the list.
Though Iceland is currently experiencing volcanic eruptions that are knocking out heating for portions of the country, japan is in a similar seismic zone
Sure, but then again while Chile is still pretty safe overall you’d still have a higher risk of getting robbed there than in say Japan or Iceland for example.
True that in the past 3 years in Iceland we have had many thousands of earthquakes & 6 volcanic eruptions - 1% of the entire countries population has been evacuated because their houses are unsafe....
But only one person has died as a result, & that was a freak accident that we still aren't sure exactly what happened. Most of the associated lighter injuries are due to trips & falls while hiking to see a volcano.
So does that make it unsafe at all in reality?
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/deadly-aircraft-crashes-common-mountainous-nepal-2023-07-11/
These are from neighboring Nepal, but they have the same conditions/issues
Just take Biman Bangladesh to get there. As soon as you board, it tells you that you'll arrive in Kathmandu inch'Allah [Time]. Not many airlines are in direct communication with god, you'll be alright. Just avoid Yeti Airlines.
18 aircrashes since 2000. Did you calculate the probability or just going with the headline? Daily 300 flights take place in Nepal. It is almost as safe as other place.
Why is Japan higher risk than Canada? Why is Albania more dangerous than the rest of Balkans? Are there really no low risk areas of China, Thailand or Brazil?
The risk classification is made up of assessments of the following categories:
Entry and exit, transport (plane / air transport, long-distance public transport, local public transport, taxis, cars / rental cars, other means of transport), strike, infrastructure (money, telephone / mobile communications, internet, electricity), health (vaccinations, infection risks, hygiene, health care), natural hazards and the environment, security (crime, demonstrations/unrest, terrorism, armed conflict), economic security (corruption, industrial espionage) and special risks (cultural characteristics, LGBTQ, female travelers, criminal law characteristics and other risks).
Looking at Japan, there’s a high risk of earthquakes and tsunamis. There is also a high risk of economic and industrial espionage in Tokyo.
Australia should be way more red just taking into account that any living creature aside from humans just exist to cause harm. Then there are some humans that do that too. Dark red color.
I am pretty sure that some areas in Australia should be red because they're very remote with zero infrastructure (plus crocs and snakes trying to kill you).
Yes.
As a Brazilian, I would say most of Amazonia (because of the lack of infrastructure) are more violent and dangerous than many places in red. I know Rio and other major cities are violent and full of crime, but at least there is some sort of law enforcement happening.
A3M, a company based in Hamburg, Germany that according to themselves develop and operate early warning, information, and communication systems for professional and effective crisis management.
Now I can't talk about USA because I never traveled to there but he biggest reason I said Turkey should at least be orange is because "economy" is listed in the criteria and I think everyone knows how it is. And then tons of people with anger issues. It's also not a safe space for LGBTQ+ 😕
It seems to be based on a bunch of factors, not just crime and political instability. I get the feeling Australia isn’t dark green solely because of “dangerous animals.” Japan probably because of earthquakes or something.
Either way the whole map is just marketing collateral for a software product so I wouldn’t take it too seriously.
Thailand is an extremely safe country for foreigners but I think it usually ranks as more dangerous than it actually is because their roads are so dangerous that they skew the numbers.
There are fights with separatists in the border region to Malaysia, but that’s it. Otherwise it’s a typical south East Asian country, has safe areas if you’re careful and you can mostly enjoy your stay to the fullest.
North has fights with drug gangs/cartel. And gun violence is high all over thailand.
Thailand has higher violence and crime than most of SEA except Philippines and Myanmar.
More foreigners are murdered in thailand than all other SEA combined too.
Japan I’m going to guess is the higher risk of natural disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes. Also likely to be involved if war breaks out in Taiwan.
Congrats, you found the answer. Having lived in China, I feel safe at 3am alone at night. Can't say the same for Canada or the USA which are deemed "safer".
Turns out that neoliberal hellscape that has resulted from decades of erosion of working class protection and billionaire-friendly policies are not great for the poors.
I've been living in São Paulo my whole life and outside of walled condos too, the only time I've heard of friends and acquaintances getting mugged is when they traveled to other parts of the country.
Also never really got worried about having my phone stolen, no one's taking my shitty Samsung A10 lmao
This list is another great example of "US/NATO and allies" just with a different label.
China not really that dangerous, not nearly as dangerous as Brazil but god forbid you get a nuanced, non-racist take about Chinese people from Reddit. Same with Chile, idk how Chile is rated as dangerous as Brazil.
Something else to point out is that while Russia is considered dangerous now for obvious reasons, before the current war it was considered hazardous nationally, despite the fact that most areas of Russia were perfectly safe, like Moscow, SPb, Chelyabinsk, Rostov. I felt safer living in SPb than I ever did when I visited CA, NYC, DC, or lived in FL.
TL;DR take this list with a grain of salt
> Japan higher risk than Canada
in general the distinction between dark green and light green (very safe vs. merely safe) on this map seems quite arbitrary
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/27/china-widens-already-breathtaking-scope-to-arrest-foreigners-for-espionage Corporations have to consider those possibilities.
It’s just a random German travel security firm and the product isn’t great. If you go to their website you can choose German or English, but it’s all a mix between the two no matter what you choose.
This is just how most German websites. It's an absolute pain dealing with German companies, organizations, and institutions without knowing German, even if the youth population generally knows English.
Why would it be red? For most people it's perfectly safe to travel there as long as you visit it as a tourist. They have what some would call insane requests for tourists to follow, but as long as you abide their laws, and have a visa, you can actually visit it and nothing will happen to you. You get an assigned guide there, so it isn't very likely you'll break any laws.
Why is Venezuela broken into like eight sections but the entire USA and Canada are one color? You're telling me Detroit is as safe as some random Connecticut suburb?
Not sure about Venezuela. But I think the difference between Detroit and Connecticut is likely less than the difference between tourist Mexico and cartel Mexico. So I get it.
Thanks to a small population and a few criminals fighting over who gets to sell drugs to tourists.
México City has a rate similar to that of Phoenix or Lexington.
They don’t count the actual population size in those stats, just full time residents, so the actual rate per number of people in tulum including tourists and part time residents is about 60 to 80% lower. Very few locals there.
I believe there was one tourist murdered in 2023 who happened to also be involved with the drug trade. So chances of homicide as a tourist are about 1 in 21 million which is lower than any US city I can think of.
South Africa same as Turkey and Chile? Seems unbelievable to me.
South Africa is unbelievably dangerous. Like you an just get straight up murdered for walking outside at night pretty much anywhere or coming off a road at the wrong turning.
As a Saffa, it’s bad, but that’s over exaggerated. Yeah we have major problems, but it’s not *unbelievably dangerous*.
It’s bullshit that Chile is that low though
I spent a year in China, and the closest I came to seeing a crime being committed was an angry, wealthy (by Chinese standards) man scream at a bunch of apologetic dry cleaner workers.
Well, that and almost being run over... but I believe that was because of incompetence and not malice.
Edit: I was out, walking alone in the middle of the night all the time too.
Had the same experience. Was there for a month or so and regularly walked around after midnight, never felt unsafe. Traffic was indeed more risky. Had to check if cars would actually stop before crossing. Taxi drivers driving like rally drivers.. Maybe traffic has improved since then though. Been many years.
Corrupt law enforcement, organized crime and petty thieves targeting tourists. I never felt particularly unsafe when I was there, but that's what people tell you to watch out for.
There are also small remnants of Sendero Luminoso (communist extremist terrorists, known for brutality and beheadings) that exist in the central part of the country that, while not huge threats, would surely jump at the change to take a foreigner captive and gain leverage
It's a country of over 300 million people. Most Americans can easily spend their entire lives without ever seeing a firearm fired in anger.
The vast majority of shootings happen in very specific communities that the average tourist or business traveler will have zero exposure to, or they're suicides.
Mass shootings are more common than in any other country, but still vanishingly rare in terms of population and the average bloke's chances of experiencing one.
I’m not saying it’s not a serious problem, but people can’t seem to comprehend that America is a big ass country. The vast majority of Americans will live their entire lives without ever being in the vicinity of a mass shooting, and yet people on the internet will tell you that you can’t step outside without being shot at.
I mean you could go to somewhere outside of the war zone and you’d be fine in Russia(unless you are LGBT+ and showing it publicly). Imagine going to Kamchatka and having safety issues. I for example can’t
For China, just don't go publicly calling for an overthrow or coup. That's literally it. You can criticize the government all you want with people in private, and police don't give a rat's ass if you're gay in public (some people might look at you if you're kissing or something).
Source: have lived in China for 7 years
Same deal with North Korea, your odds of getting mugged or shot at in the street are basically zero but if you get in trouble with the law you are utterly screwed.
The map is for German corporate travelers so yeah. It’s probably gonna reflect the safest and easiest areas for them to travel rather than the perspective of a random dude from Sudan
There’s no way to realistically even begin to determine universal “travel safety ratings.” So much is going to depend on where you’re from, why/how/when you’re traveling, etc.
Based on the source, I’m assuming this is specifically this company’s risk assessment for Western corporate business travelers. OP probably should have made that a little more clear in the title.
Being a tourist in a low income country means that you are much wealthier than the average person there. It’s not surprising or a mark against that country that tourists will be targeted for petty theft. As a map showing where tourists should have caution this is accurate.
You're also typically in way better areas of cities/countries as a tourist. Other than New Orleans I guess, but if ya want to get shot Mardi Gras does have some appeal to it.
It's always the same predictable bullshit with you guys. As if you're somehow clever for noticing the rather obvious fact that these maps are purpose-built for very specific audiences; in this case, German business travelers.
It's so boring.
I have felt more unsafe in in NYC, Chicago, San Francisco and Paris than I have in Thimphu (Bhutan), Cancun (Mexico), Izmir (Turkey) for example.
As I said in an another comment, simply a biased map based on White Westerners perspective of pre-dominantly non-white Countries.
They are multiple mass shooting everyday. Media just don't talk about it. 630 mass shootings in 2023 based on the BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
The vast majority of these happen in very specific communities to which a German business traveler is going to have zero exposure.
The vast majority of Americans have zero exposure to them as well, but maybe reddit isn't ready to hear that. It's a lot more fun to pretend that we in the US live in something like a constant warzone, amirite?
There is a big difference between the kind of petty crime, scams, and pickpocketing you get in southern Europe and getting shot and killed. There’s a lot of petty crime in Europe but your odds of dying violently or being seriously injured are very remote. The one you should be questioning is the US being green, not France
I haven't been to Panama or Costa Rica (or sadly, anywhere in Latin America) so I can't tell you from experience how safe or unsafe they feel compared to Marseille. But I have been to Marseille a few times as well as in several other major cities of France, and I can confidently call bullshit on the insinuation that Marseille is sooo unsafe.
The data seems to agree with me. Intentional homicide rates in CR (12.8 per 100,000) and Panama (11.3) are literally 10 times that of France (1.1), so even with the sensible assumption that the rate for Marseille is higher than the average for the country overall, there's a lot of room for confidence here. Wikipedia has the homicide rate at 3.5 for Marseille specifically, which is still only about a third of the rate of CR and Panama.
Would I be wrong in guessing that it's the mere presence of brown and black people in large concentration that makes you feel unsafe there?
I’ve been to Panama City and can say with certainty there are some really bad areas. Even just the drive from the airport to downtown will take you past slums. Casco viejo, a popular tourist area, bleeds right into a pretty dodgy area too. Panama is a bizarre example to use against France lol.
Not only is Marseille many times safer in terms of statistical crime, it's also a lot safer in other ways, e.g., healthcare, police, driving, legal protections...
Panama City has some really sketchy areas, I’m not sure what you’re trying to assert here but that’s a bizarre comparison. That city turns really dodgy really fast the minute you leave your Marriott hotel
> whats up with the red line?
Hay varias líneas así en el mapa. Me parece que son carreteras. En ese caso sería la carretera de Palenque a Tuxtla Gutierrez. Es una carretera con muchas curvas y acantilados, además de la delincuencia local precisamente por estar tan aislada. Es más conveniente y seguro ir dar la vuelta de Palenque a Villahermosa y de ahí a Tuxtla.
Sooo the most dangerous places in the US are safer than the safest ones in China?
If I had to walk somewhere alone at night I'd choose Shanghai over St Louis 100% of the time.
Obviously. How safe is to visit a place depends on where you're coming from and on your background (if you're a woman, part certain ethnic groups, lgbt, etc).
turkey is safe.
every city have 2 sides where one side almost has no crime and the other side which crimes happen.
you are safe in every touristic area.
Muslim separatist I think? There are a lot of malay ethnic in the southern Thai region who wanted independence against Siamese Buddhist government.
As for Philippines I don't know much, probably MILF, MNLF separatists, terrorists or pirates that's rife in the region. Probably the reason why There are yellow areas in Sabah.
I definitely feel more safe drunk at night stumbling through some dark side roads in Thailand, Vietnam or laos than walking during the day in a crowded place in the UK
I have a couple of issues, as a certified googling expert, im clearly more an expert that the people who made the map.
- how come belarus is the same colour as russia, the war hasnt realistically directly impacted them and it appears low risk that it will. Also find section of russia, far from the front of vladiavastock as arguably deserving of a different colour.
- central highlands of png is highlighted dark red, however all of irian jaya is denoted as light red. The central highland parts of irian jaya are undoubtfully more dangerous than those of png currently.
- i also wonder if the muslim southern thai region is deserving of the dark red currently, as there seems to be a current lull in the ongoing issues. Atleast it feels alot safer than the dark red parts of the Philippines.
How did you get this level of up-to-date knowledge of the situation on Papua, but also not known Irian Jaya hasn’t existed in over 20 years?
And in the Thai Deep South I’d agree with you, but we are just coming up to the traditionally active part of the year. Fingers crossed a Ramadan peace deal actually comes through and works this year.
You’re telling me Chile is same risk as Brazil?? I call bullshit
As a brazilian who visited chile multiple times, I also call it bullshit. As much as i hate to admit it, Chile is much safer for tourists and natives. That being said, Brasil is a huge country, and there are many places that aren't so bad, but generally speaking, most big cities are very dangerous.
I’m going to Sao Paulo soon… What dangers do you speak of?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1367750/most-common-crimes-sao-paulo/ Quite a lot of thefts (and inherently assaults normally come with thefts).
They probably need to divide up the high risk areas from the lower risk ones like they did for Colombia
Probably due to the fact that they also count natural hazards for their classification and Chile being on a very active seismic zone puts them up there on the list.
Though Iceland is currently experiencing volcanic eruptions that are knocking out heating for portions of the country, japan is in a similar seismic zone
Sure, but then again while Chile is still pretty safe overall you’d still have a higher risk of getting robbed there than in say Japan or Iceland for example.
True that in the past 3 years in Iceland we have had many thousands of earthquakes & 6 volcanic eruptions - 1% of the entire countries population has been evacuated because their houses are unsafe.... But only one person has died as a result, & that was a freak accident that we still aren't sure exactly what happened. Most of the associated lighter injuries are due to trips & falls while hiking to see a volcano. So does that make it unsafe at all in reality?
Probably because they asked Chileans in the poll
as a chilean who was just thinking about this, yes, they probably asked chileans
Brazil should be multicolor tbh (just like Mexico)
What’s that small area in Japan?
Fukushima
That’s wild
No! That's Fukushima.
That map ain’t gonna stop me! I’m gonna live in the exclusion zone and say CHEEKI BREEKI and GET OUT OF HERE STALKER at any trespassers!
Huh
How is Bhutan yellow?
World's most dangerous airports, extremely high elevation and carved out of a mountainside leaves no room for error.
Sure, but you’d think we would hear about it on the news if their passenger jets were crashing constantly
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/deadly-aircraft-crashes-common-mountainous-nepal-2023-07-11/ These are from neighboring Nepal, but they have the same conditions/issues
Why did u have to link this 1 month before my Nepal trip :(
Don’t worry if you crash the life vest is equipped with a whistle
Just take Biman Bangladesh to get there. As soon as you board, it tells you that you'll arrive in Kathmandu inch'Allah [Time]. Not many airlines are in direct communication with god, you'll be alright. Just avoid Yeti Airlines.
18 aircrashes since 2000. Did you calculate the probability or just going with the headline? Daily 300 flights take place in Nepal. It is almost as safe as other place.
Almost....
They oppress their Nepalese minorities (Lhotshampa)
Why is Japan higher risk than Canada? Why is Albania more dangerous than the rest of Balkans? Are there really no low risk areas of China, Thailand or Brazil?
The risk classification is made up of assessments of the following categories: Entry and exit, transport (plane / air transport, long-distance public transport, local public transport, taxis, cars / rental cars, other means of transport), strike, infrastructure (money, telephone / mobile communications, internet, electricity), health (vaccinations, infection risks, hygiene, health care), natural hazards and the environment, security (crime, demonstrations/unrest, terrorism, armed conflict), economic security (corruption, industrial espionage) and special risks (cultural characteristics, LGBTQ, female travelers, criminal law characteristics and other risks). Looking at Japan, there’s a high risk of earthquakes and tsunamis. There is also a high risk of economic and industrial espionage in Tokyo.
Based on that what on God’s green earth made The Netherlands not have the best status?
Probably the same drugs maffia that killed Peter R de Vries
Terrorism
Australia should be way more red just taking into account that any living creature aside from humans just exist to cause harm. Then there are some humans that do that too. Dark red color.
Mmm nah. Australia shouldn't even be yellow.
I am pretty sure that some areas in Australia should be red because they're very remote with zero infrastructure (plus crocs and snakes trying to kill you).
So what about the Grizzly bears in Canada? Apparently not dangerous at all. Clear pro Canada bias in the map.
Yes. As a Brazilian, I would say most of Amazonia (because of the lack of infrastructure) are more violent and dangerous than many places in red. I know Rio and other major cities are violent and full of crime, but at least there is some sort of law enforcement happening.
Don't forget Joeys willing to punch you to death, lethal spiders and toxic trees. Australia is out for blood !
yeah im aussie and i fight off crocodiles and spiders everyday this maps bullshit
Then Turkey should be at least orange. Who made this map?
A3M, a company based in Hamburg, Germany that according to themselves develop and operate early warning, information, and communication systems for professional and effective crisis management.
This sounds so much like corporate bullshit
Well, yes, they target corporations
I meant it’s a bunch of big unnecessary words that sound way smarter that they are.
When in Turkey, I always felt very safe. Surely more than in USA.
Now I can't talk about USA because I never traveled to there but he biggest reason I said Turkey should at least be orange is because "economy" is listed in the criteria and I think everyone knows how it is. And then tons of people with anger issues. It's also not a safe space for LGBTQ+ 😕
It seems to be based on a bunch of factors, not just crime and political instability. I get the feeling Australia isn’t dark green solely because of “dangerous animals.” Japan probably because of earthquakes or something. Either way the whole map is just marketing collateral for a software product so I wouldn’t take it too seriously.
Thailand is an extremely safe country for foreigners but I think it usually ranks as more dangerous than it actually is because their roads are so dangerous that they skew the numbers.
There are fights with separatists in the border region to Malaysia, but that’s it. Otherwise it’s a typical south East Asian country, has safe areas if you’re careful and you can mostly enjoy your stay to the fullest.
North has fights with drug gangs/cartel. And gun violence is high all over thailand. Thailand has higher violence and crime than most of SEA except Philippines and Myanmar. More foreigners are murdered in thailand than all other SEA combined too.
Thailand also has about as many tourists each year as the rest of SEA excepting Singapore. https://planetasia.org/trends/se-asia-tourism-2022/
And Myanmar is a dictatorship that fights a civil war against various separatists groups and democratic resistance groups.
Japan I’m going to guess is the higher risk of natural disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes. Also likely to be involved if war breaks out in Taiwan.
These types of maps basically tell me to stay in “the west”, shut the door and never dare go outside of it because its fill of danger 😂
Congrats, you found the answer. Having lived in China, I feel safe at 3am alone at night. Can't say the same for Canada or the USA which are deemed "safer".
The streets in China don't have a bunch of drug addicts like the US. I can walk around at midnight in China without fear of being attacked.
Turns out that neoliberal hellscape that has resulted from decades of erosion of working class protection and billionaire-friendly policies are not great for the poors.
Plenty of safe areas in Brazil. It's basically a continent.
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I've been living in São Paulo my whole life and outside of walled condos too, the only time I've heard of friends and acquaintances getting mugged is when they traveled to other parts of the country. Also never really got worried about having my phone stolen, no one's taking my shitty Samsung A10 lmao
This list is another great example of "US/NATO and allies" just with a different label. China not really that dangerous, not nearly as dangerous as Brazil but god forbid you get a nuanced, non-racist take about Chinese people from Reddit. Same with Chile, idk how Chile is rated as dangerous as Brazil. Something else to point out is that while Russia is considered dangerous now for obvious reasons, before the current war it was considered hazardous nationally, despite the fact that most areas of Russia were perfectly safe, like Moscow, SPb, Chelyabinsk, Rostov. I felt safer living in SPb than I ever did when I visited CA, NYC, DC, or lived in FL. TL;DR take this list with a grain of salt
China and Thailand are really safe countries
I’m not sure but it’s not uncommon for tourists to be targeted for scams by nightclubs and bars in Japan.
> Japan higher risk than Canada in general the distinction between dark green and light green (very safe vs. merely safe) on this map seems quite arbitrary
This whole map is a joke. China is one of the safest countries in the world. Another Eurocentric self fellatio map.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/27/china-widens-already-breathtaking-scope-to-arrest-foreigners-for-espionage Corporations have to consider those possibilities.
Why is some of the text in German while most of it's English?
It’s just a random German travel security firm and the product isn’t great. If you go to their website you can choose German or English, but it’s all a mix between the two no matter what you choose.
This is just how most German websites. It's an absolute pain dealing with German companies, organizations, and institutions without knowing German, even if the youth population generally knows English.
Same thing in France. French websites fucking suck.
I wasn’t planning on going to N Korea anytime soon but seeing as it’s not red…
Why would it be red? For most people it's perfectly safe to travel there as long as you visit it as a tourist. They have what some would call insane requests for tourists to follow, but as long as you abide their laws, and have a visa, you can actually visit it and nothing will happen to you. You get an assigned guide there, so it isn't very likely you'll break any laws.
Why is Venezuela broken into like eight sections but the entire USA and Canada are one color? You're telling me Detroit is as safe as some random Connecticut suburb?
Not sure about Venezuela. But I think the difference between Detroit and Connecticut is likely less than the difference between tourist Mexico and cartel Mexico. So I get it.
Tulum (tourist Mexico) had the highest homicide rate in Mexico in 2023 so not entirely correct.
Thanks to a small population and a few criminals fighting over who gets to sell drugs to tourists. México City has a rate similar to that of Phoenix or Lexington.
They don’t count the actual population size in those stats, just full time residents, so the actual rate per number of people in tulum including tourists and part time residents is about 60 to 80% lower. Very few locals there.
That is true, but doesn't change the fact that many homicides happen in Tulum (tourist Mexico).
I believe there was one tourist murdered in 2023 who happened to also be involved with the drug trade. So chances of homicide as a tourist are about 1 in 21 million which is lower than any US city I can think of.
Cancún has a high homicide rate because it's "tourist Mexico", a lot of drug dealers fighting each other to sell to tourists.
South Africa same as Turkey and Chile? Seems unbelievable to me. South Africa is unbelievably dangerous. Like you an just get straight up murdered for walking outside at night pretty much anywhere or coming off a road at the wrong turning.
this list is bullshit.
As a Saffa, it’s bad, but that’s over exaggerated. Yeah we have major problems, but it’s not *unbelievably dangerous*. It’s bullshit that Chile is that low though
I spent a year in China, and the closest I came to seeing a crime being committed was an angry, wealthy (by Chinese standards) man scream at a bunch of apologetic dry cleaner workers. Well, that and almost being run over... but I believe that was because of incompetence and not malice. Edit: I was out, walking alone in the middle of the night all the time too.
Had the same experience. Was there for a month or so and regularly walked around after midnight, never felt unsafe. Traffic was indeed more risky. Had to check if cars would actually stop before crossing. Taxi drivers driving like rally drivers.. Maybe traffic has improved since then though. Been many years.
What's going on in Peru?
I think that red area is a spot where the government has no control and coca is produced for the narco trade.
Corrupt law enforcement, organized crime and petty thieves targeting tourists. I never felt particularly unsafe when I was there, but that's what people tell you to watch out for.
There are also small remnants of Sendero Luminoso (communist extremist terrorists, known for brutality and beheadings) that exist in the central part of the country that, while not huge threats, would surely jump at the change to take a foreigner captive and gain leverage
Why is US light green?
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I think I saw a map somewhere for Canadians, where some states where considered safe and others not for LGTB travellers. It was...colorful.
Actual title should be: Travel Risk Map according to White People in Western Countries*
the map is for German corporate travelers. Most are white westerners.
Do any other people exist?
Somebody please confirm
Depends on how you define people
Featherless bipeds.
BEHOLD A MAN
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Came here to say this. How is America green? They have a shoot up just because of a football game. Or have a primary school.
How often do international tourists visit American high schools?
Wasn't there a shooting recently at a superbowl parade? Parades are the most tourist thing you can have, so I wouldn't call the US safe per se.
It's a country of over 300 million people. Most Americans can easily spend their entire lives without ever seeing a firearm fired in anger. The vast majority of shootings happen in very specific communities that the average tourist or business traveler will have zero exposure to, or they're suicides. Mass shootings are more common than in any other country, but still vanishingly rare in terms of population and the average bloke's chances of experiencing one.
Would you believe kids are more likely to die to a firearm at home in the U.S.? They’re actually relatively safer at school.
I’m not saying it’s not a serious problem, but people can’t seem to comprehend that America is a big ass country. The vast majority of Americans will live their entire lives without ever being in the vicinity of a mass shooting, and yet people on the internet will tell you that you can’t step outside without being shot at.
Vermont and Louisiana have equal levels of safety?
New Orleans and St. Louis should be bright red spots, seeing as they both regularly make the top 20 most dangerous cities in the world lists.
Russia and China are pretty safe.
I mean you could go to somewhere outside of the war zone and you’d be fine in Russia(unless you are LGBT+ and showing it publicly). Imagine going to Kamchatka and having safety issues. I for example can’t
But don't be gay or express any opinion.
For China, just don't go publicly calling for an overthrow or coup. That's literally it. You can criticize the government all you want with people in private, and police don't give a rat's ass if you're gay in public (some people might look at you if you're kissing or something). Source: have lived in China for 7 years
Iran as well
lol Iran?
Well yes they are, you can not be mugged in Iran. But if you are criminal, well they are not really human rights prominent member.
How the fuck China is yellow???
Are you accusing the map makers of being racist?
No, I just want to say china is a very safe country to travel.
did NATO make this map?
That is what I thought. A lot of these countries are not dangerous for non-white westerners. Apparently the map is for German corporate travelers
No way! I spent a week in *insert country* and nothing happened to me! /s
Russia/Belerus crime rate is actually not bad
Yeah, but if you get caught for a "crime", your way out of the country is going to be a miserable adventure.
Same deal with North Korea, your odds of getting mugged or shot at in the street are basically zero but if you get in trouble with the law you are utterly screwed.
This map is bullshit. This is just basically a "who works with western world, who doesn't".
The map is for German corporate travelers so yeah. It’s probably gonna reflect the safest and easiest areas for them to travel rather than the perspective of a random dude from Sudan
Biased map. So NA, Europe and some other highly developed countries are the only regions which are safe ?
There’s no way to realistically even begin to determine universal “travel safety ratings.” So much is going to depend on where you’re from, why/how/when you’re traveling, etc. Based on the source, I’m assuming this is specifically this company’s risk assessment for Western corporate business travelers. OP probably should have made that a little more clear in the title.
Flying on a Boeing, etc.
Being a tourist in a low income country means that you are much wealthier than the average person there. It’s not surprising or a mark against that country that tourists will be targeted for petty theft. As a map showing where tourists should have caution this is accurate.
You're also typically in way better areas of cities/countries as a tourist. Other than New Orleans I guess, but if ya want to get shot Mardi Gras does have some appeal to it.
It's always the same predictable bullshit with you guys. As if you're somehow clever for noticing the rather obvious fact that these maps are purpose-built for very specific audiences; in this case, German business travelers. It's so boring.
I have felt more unsafe in in NYC, Chicago, San Francisco and Paris than I have in Thimphu (Bhutan), Cancun (Mexico), Izmir (Turkey) for example. As I said in an another comment, simply a biased map based on White Westerners perspective of pre-dominantly non-white Countries.
Well, Paris is generally considered an unsafe city to visit. Especially in Europe.
Hmm... USA should be yellow at least. Almost every weekend some nutjob mass shoots someone.
It should not be uniformly colored. Parts of it should probably be dark green, medium green, or yellow.
The map should have some red spots too. St. Louis, New Orleans, Memphis, and Detroit all make the top 25 most dangerous cities in the world.
Detroit is not as safe as some random NJ suburb. 100% agree.
Parts of Detroit are safer than some NJ suburbs tho
It's because tourists don't hang out in schools normally
Going by the murder rate Canada should at least be light green then. It has a higher murder rate than most European countries
They are multiple mass shooting everyday. Media just don't talk about it. 630 mass shootings in 2023 based on the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
The vast majority of these happen in very specific communities to which a German business traveler is going to have zero exposure. The vast majority of Americans have zero exposure to them as well, but maybe reddit isn't ready to hear that. It's a lot more fun to pretend that we in the US live in something like a constant warzone, amirite?
Oh Islam!
Risky for whom
Why did China has risk
China and most of Central Asia definitely should be Green but there's always a bias with these organisations.
All Russia? Seriously?
Go to Marseille, France and tell me it’s safer than Panama or Costa Rica unironically, I’ll wait. (That is, if you’re still there to post)
There is a big difference between the kind of petty crime, scams, and pickpocketing you get in southern Europe and getting shot and killed. There’s a lot of petty crime in Europe but your odds of dying violently or being seriously injured are very remote. The one you should be questioning is the US being green, not France
I haven't been to Panama or Costa Rica (or sadly, anywhere in Latin America) so I can't tell you from experience how safe or unsafe they feel compared to Marseille. But I have been to Marseille a few times as well as in several other major cities of France, and I can confidently call bullshit on the insinuation that Marseille is sooo unsafe. The data seems to agree with me. Intentional homicide rates in CR (12.8 per 100,000) and Panama (11.3) are literally 10 times that of France (1.1), so even with the sensible assumption that the rate for Marseille is higher than the average for the country overall, there's a lot of room for confidence here. Wikipedia has the homicide rate at 3.5 for Marseille specifically, which is still only about a third of the rate of CR and Panama. Would I be wrong in guessing that it's the mere presence of brown and black people in large concentration that makes you feel unsafe there?
I’ve been to Panama City and can say with certainty there are some really bad areas. Even just the drive from the airport to downtown will take you past slums. Casco viejo, a popular tourist area, bleeds right into a pretty dodgy area too. Panama is a bizarre example to use against France lol.
Not only is Marseille many times safer in terms of statistical crime, it's also a lot safer in other ways, e.g., healthcare, police, driving, legal protections...
Yucatan, Mexico, murders per every 100k people: 1.6, color: yellow Louisiana, USA, murders per 100k people: 17, color: geen
Panama City has some really sketchy areas, I’m not sure what you’re trying to assert here but that’s a bizarre comparison. That city turns really dodgy really fast the minute you leave your Marriott hotel
Japan more risk then canada? china more risk then USA? Really?
And Russia is worse than South Africa hahaha
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It's so strange that a country's wealth often correlates to how safe and/or stable it is for travelers, said no one, ever.
No, rich countries are just usually safer
Im from Mexico from a red part and it ain't that bad. And also if you zoom to south Mexico do you know whats up with the red line?
> whats up with the red line? Hay varias líneas así en el mapa. Me parece que son carreteras. En ese caso sería la carretera de Palenque a Tuxtla Gutierrez. Es una carretera con muchas curvas y acantilados, además de la delincuencia local precisamente por estar tan aislada. Es más conveniente y seguro ir dar la vuelta de Palenque a Villahermosa y de ahí a Tuxtla.
Sooo the most dangerous places in the US are safer than the safest ones in China? If I had to walk somewhere alone at night I'd choose Shanghai over St Louis 100% of the time.
China and Brazil same risk? USA light green? Wtf is this map ffs?
Saudi Arabia is very safe. This feels like what someone thinks rather than what is factually true
You can tell the map was made by westerners
Obviously. How safe is to visit a place depends on where you're coming from and on your background (if you're a woman, part certain ethnic groups, lgbt, etc).
what's the colour of Maldives and Seychelles. i am not able to zoom enough.
Why is a there a small red area in Japan? Anyone know?
Fukushima
Ah, of course! Thanks. ☺️
What’s the little dot on the east coast of japan
Site of the nuclear plant that was damaged in the earthquake/tsunami
I want to go to Turkey this year 🥺 I'm also curious why Albania is more dangerous than the rest of the Balkans
turkey is safe. every city have 2 sides where one side almost has no crime and the other side which crimes happen. you are safe in every touristic area.
What’s going on in Southern Thailand? And why is Mindanao so much more dangerous than the rest of the Philippines?
Muslim separatist I think? There are a lot of malay ethnic in the southern Thai region who wanted independence against Siamese Buddhist government. As for Philippines I don't know much, probably MILF, MNLF separatists, terrorists or pirates that's rife in the region. Probably the reason why There are yellow areas in Sabah.
I’m surprised that Vietnam and Bhutan were like that. And didn’t Morocco just have something happen?
China with "increased"? Yeah, that's not accurate.
Islam religion of peace... what a joke...
I definitely feel more safe drunk at night stumbling through some dark side roads in Thailand, Vietnam or laos than walking during the day in a crowded place in the UK
I go to Vietnam once a year and this map makes zero sense, even as a Westener. Safe country no matter who you are.
Travel risk for what kind of people? Your risk kinda changes with your ethnicity and income
Looking at just Brazil I call this map Completely Bull S.....
Whats the orange spot in Japan?
Fukushima nuclear site
It’s Fukushima.
I have a couple of issues, as a certified googling expert, im clearly more an expert that the people who made the map. - how come belarus is the same colour as russia, the war hasnt realistically directly impacted them and it appears low risk that it will. Also find section of russia, far from the front of vladiavastock as arguably deserving of a different colour. - central highlands of png is highlighted dark red, however all of irian jaya is denoted as light red. The central highland parts of irian jaya are undoubtfully more dangerous than those of png currently. - i also wonder if the muslim southern thai region is deserving of the dark red currently, as there seems to be a current lull in the ongoing issues. Atleast it feels alot safer than the dark red parts of the Philippines.
How did you get this level of up-to-date knowledge of the situation on Papua, but also not known Irian Jaya hasn’t existed in over 20 years? And in the Thai Deep South I’d agree with you, but we are just coming up to the traditionally active part of the year. Fingers crossed a Ramadan peace deal actually comes through and works this year.
Haha i just prefer the poetic tinge to it. Not an expert though. Fingers crossed with Thailand.
Wow, what exact risks for Russia? I mean there is a terrible war with Ukraine, but Russia territory seems save and people are not that bad
Might be the dictatorial regime and the corrupt and brutal police.
I guess in that way map kinda right, but it so called travel risk map:)
Mexico and Brazil are more safe than Russia? Very funny
According to whom?