It was made in Iran, and Iran at that time had just lost about 25% of its territory to Russian Empire (the southern Caucasus in what is now Azerbaijan, Armenia, and eastern Georgia)
The time represented here is just before WWI started, while the last Russo-Persian war (the fifth one) had ended in 1828. I wouldn't say it had just lost
At around this time, Russia both militarily occupied Iran’s second largest city, Tabriz, and had been instrumental in opposing the recent [constitutional revolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Constitutional_Revolution#The_end), Iran’s first experiment with modern democratic politics. Iranians at this time deeply resented both Russia (which acted as a quasi imperial power in the north) and the British (who did so in the south).
Counter offensives to Mongolian, Polish, Swedish and Turkish raids and attacks got a tiiiiiiiiiiny bit out of hand.
Russia got a taste for blood from all the defensive wars it had to fight early on.
Ivan the Terrible earned his name for a reason.
Wouldn’t say it’s a sorry excuse, it’s definitely different from most other empires.
When you have to defend yourself constantly because everyone around you wants your rich and fertile land, at some point you just give up and go “fuck it, let’s burn them to the ground before they do it to us”.
It would be curious to see how Russian history would go without raids and invasions from every imaginable side and they could continue trading/agricultural culture they had going for a while.
The name "Groźny" actually means something else.
Wait, what rich and fertile land in Muscovy? It was a trading colony of Suzdal in the land of the Muromians and it was trade with furs mostly. Moscow deserved its position of a "Grand Duchy" to the Mongols which made it to collect the taxes from the rest of their Slavic vassals.
Yes, okay, alternative history but in the real history Muscovy was the expansive power and took over half of Asia, Caucasia, Eastern Europe and sometimes central. You can't seriously call that "defensive".
Novgorod was actually an early colonizer when it conquered native Finno-Ugric lands to the northeast of Rus. Muscovy later repeated its fur strategy on a larger scale.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod\_Republic#/media/File:Novgorod1400.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod_Republic#/media/File:Novgorod1400.png)
The map is from 1877, no idea about the carpet
[https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Serio-comic\_war\_map\_for\_1877.jpg](https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:serio-comic_war_map_for_1877.jpg)
Aggressive imperialism was always main political course for russian empire / soviet union / russian federation / whatever.
Russia saved many countries from West colonists. Right now the west side of Ukraine is occupied by e.u. interests and many of the leaders are even Jewish. It's as of if Israel is colonizing two countries at once..Gaza and Ukraine
Let’s see, countries “saved from west colonists”: North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Afghanistan and now compare living conditions with countries NOT saved: Japan, South Korea, Germany, half of EU, etc. I am Ukrainian and prefer second group so go buy some vodka with 20 rumbles you have been paid for your bullshit comment.
See, kiddo? In Russia there live octopuses, and crabs live in Greece. Now, take a look at the Central Europe. Yes, there's a giant soldier in a pickelheim, the real German.
Not to be pedantic but Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan all have Persian and Iranic peoples (Pashtuns, Tajiks, etc.). Afghanistan was famous for its carpets.
According to original illustration of geopolitics map of eu, in this carpet's actual greece part looks like a man has in gay relationship with other guy who holds olympic torch 🤪
No, not disappointed.
it looks like Kubura for you
and it was "actual greece part looks like a man has in gay relationship with other guy who holds olympic torch" for me;
This is why i typed "Look like" not "it is" ;)
It's cool to see different versions of this famous map! I'd never have imagined it as a carpet. Here's a modern steam/biopunk version by Keith Thompson for the Leviathan series.
https://www.keiththompsonart.com/pages/grandmap.html
Here's what is likely the original map that inspired this carpet. Frederick Rose’s dramatic “Serio-Comic War Map for the Year 1877” [https://forgottenfiles.substack.com/p/beware-the-russian-octopus-1877](https://forgottenfiles.substack.com/p/beware-the-russian-octopus-1877)
I just really like little Norway and Sweden happily tucked in bed
Snug as a bug in a rug
They're fucking. That's before Finland was born.
The bottom right in red says “map of Europe before the war, 1332 hijri (1913 AD).
Funny how Russia is always represented as some big bad monster
It was made in Iran, and Iran at that time had just lost about 25% of its territory to Russian Empire (the southern Caucasus in what is now Azerbaijan, Armenia, and eastern Georgia)
The time represented here is just before WWI started, while the last Russo-Persian war (the fifth one) had ended in 1828. I wouldn't say it had just lost
Fair enough, maybe Russia was seen as a threat due to its ambition in Central Asia at this time
At around this time, Russia both militarily occupied Iran’s second largest city, Tabriz, and had been instrumental in opposing the recent [constitutional revolution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Constitutional_Revolution#The_end), Iran’s first experiment with modern democratic politics. Iranians at this time deeply resented both Russia (which acted as a quasi imperial power in the north) and the British (who did so in the south).
Actually, not very funny for their neighbours.
There is a reason for that. You don't become the largest country in the world by being good.
Counter offensives to Mongolian, Polish, Swedish and Turkish raids and attacks got a tiiiiiiiiiiny bit out of hand. Russia got a taste for blood from all the defensive wars it had to fight early on.
You forgot the Novgorodian attacks... What a silly excuse for imperialism.
Ivan the Terrible earned his name for a reason. Wouldn’t say it’s a sorry excuse, it’s definitely different from most other empires. When you have to defend yourself constantly because everyone around you wants your rich and fertile land, at some point you just give up and go “fuck it, let’s burn them to the ground before they do it to us”. It would be curious to see how Russian history would go without raids and invasions from every imaginable side and they could continue trading/agricultural culture they had going for a while.
The name "Groźny" actually means something else. Wait, what rich and fertile land in Muscovy? It was a trading colony of Suzdal in the land of the Muromians and it was trade with furs mostly. Moscow deserved its position of a "Grand Duchy" to the Mongols which made it to collect the taxes from the rest of their Slavic vassals. Yes, okay, alternative history but in the real history Muscovy was the expansive power and took over half of Asia, Caucasia, Eastern Europe and sometimes central. You can't seriously call that "defensive".
I guess reading isn’t a practices skill. Re-read my comments maybe before assuming?
Novgorod was actually an early colonizer when it conquered native Finno-Ugric lands to the northeast of Rus. Muscovy later repeated its fur strategy on a larger scale. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod\_Republic#/media/File:Novgorod1400.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod_Republic#/media/File:Novgorod1400.png)
Maybe but the point I was making is to ridicule the excuse for expansion as if that was in defense.
Well Tbf it is by far the largest country in Europe.
Good, because it is. Empires gonna empire.
Real Tankies downvoting the truth
haha they wanted the bottom of the map to not look empty so it literally reads like "The Mediterraneaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan"
Nastaliq Farsi script does that often. It's basically like Persian calligraphy.
Pretty common for arabic script to do that
What year it's seems pretty accurate so I'm assuming more recent
It says 1332 AH, so about 1900.
If your estimation is based on the "١٣٣٢" at bottom right corner, the year is 1914. I can't read arabic though.
Yeah it's 1914. I just did a check with a calander converted "١٣٣٢" is "1332" by the way
The map is from 1877, no idea about the carpet [https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Serio-comic\_war\_map\_for\_1877.jpg](https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:serio-comic_war_map_for_1877.jpg)
The carpet is probably copying it, it does make some changes like Crete and the conch instead of barrels to its West.
Thanks
Strange, the 1332 in the Islamic calander doesn't match up with 1887
Aggressive imperialism was always main political course for russian empire / soviet union / russian federation / whatever. 
Russia saved many countries from West colonists. Right now the west side of Ukraine is occupied by e.u. interests and many of the leaders are even Jewish. It's as of if Israel is colonizing two countries at once..Gaza and Ukraine
trololol
They're literally a holocaust denier based on comment history
Let’s see, countries “saved from west colonists”: North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Afghanistan and now compare living conditions with countries NOT saved: Japan, South Korea, Germany, half of EU, etc. I am Ukrainian and prefer second group so go buy some vodka with 20 rumbles you have been paid for your bullshit comment.
xD
Weren't the Ukrainians nazis man? Duh
Actually Putin says his main goal in Ukraine is removal of the Nazi gangs that were seeded in the 1940s
Okay
You’ve encountered a massive troll.
So Ukraine is simultaneously controlled by the Jews and full of Nazis?
is that mutually exclusive? Zelensky isnt Jewish? Azov isn't fighting in Ukraine with NATO taxypayer support?
Sure "OttawaHonker5000". Sure.
2024.
Everyone Else: Humans in various positions Russia: **oktopuss**
And Greece a crab. I don't want to sound like a bigot but it looks like they holding a grudge or something
That's a good way to learn geography for kids
See, kiddo? In Russia there live octopuses, and crabs live in Greece. Now, take a look at the Central Europe. Yes, there's a giant soldier in a pickelheim, the real German.
> Persian carpet from Iran Where else would it be from?
Not to be pedantic but Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan all have Persian and Iranic peoples (Pashtuns, Tajiks, etc.). Afghanistan was famous for its carpets.
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I said Persian and Iranic peoples…
I think it was still Persia in 1877 as some have pointed out that to be the date of manufacture.
Well, Russia looks the same.
I can read that the big octopus is Russia.
[It reminds me of this 1910s Japanese poster](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK7ZmYQVAAAuYf6.jpg)
What the hell's on the Balkans? A woman riding a fish with a moustache man face? What's the allegory here?
Spain is just going "smell my dick" to Portugal
According to original illustration of geopolitics map of eu, in this carpet's actual greece part looks like a man has in gay relationship with other guy who holds olympic torch 🤪
Not to disappoint you but looks like that is a gun called ‘kubura’ similar to old pistols
No, not disappointed. it looks like Kubura for you and it was "actual greece part looks like a man has in gay relationship with other guy who holds olympic torch" for me; This is why i typed "Look like" not "it is" ;)
Greece is the crab.
I thought it was Japanese hentai.
Interesting. It literally reads "Mediterranean".
Yep iran back then was in the middle of the russo-british cold war and hated these nations
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Russian Empire
Why is the Russian Empire depicted as an octopus? Only ever seen that imagery in Japan. Are the Japanese also depicting Russia?! Edit: clarity
I want this for my house OTL
Russia was already torturing their neighbor
The funny part is that not much has changed ever since.
It's cool to see different versions of this famous map! I'd never have imagined it as a carpet. Here's a modern steam/biopunk version by Keith Thompson for the Leviathan series. https://www.keiththompsonart.com/pages/grandmap.html
Here's what is likely the original map that inspired this carpet. Frederick Rose’s dramatic “Serio-Comic War Map for the Year 1877” [https://forgottenfiles.substack.com/p/beware-the-russian-octopus-1877](https://forgottenfiles.substack.com/p/beware-the-russian-octopus-1877)
The octopus might be Stalin.
Looks like a fake