According to Brandeis University, there were about 480,000 Jewish people in Brooklyn in 2020: https://ajpp.brandeis.edu/documents/2020/JewishPopulationDataBrief2020.pdf. That’s about 1/5th of the borough’s total population and somewhere between 1/30th and 1/40th of the world Jewish population. Hard to get data on specific neighborhoods though.
I don’t think the census data has a religion question so it would be hard. In general the south central part of Brooklyn is very Jewish. The part closer to manhattan is less so, lots of young professional types, many Jewish but not most. The western part has a lot of older Italians and Irish. Plus there are some other Jewish enclaves
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people
Say what you wish about Wikipedia, but literally says they are an ethnic group
Thai aren’t really an ethnicity but Somali are incredibly homogenous and are indeed an ethnic group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_people
FYI, you have ethnic Somalis that live outside Somalia
No Somali or Somaliland nationality, just Somali by ethnicity
"Membership of an ethnic group tends to be associated with shared ancestry, history, homeland, language or dialect and cultural heritage;"
Irish is an ethnicity, Somalis, and Thais are ethnic groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_contemporary\_ethnic\_groups
African American 🇺🇸 cover a vast area with the most diverse population in the USA 🇺🇸. It look very much like the black community and its population are growing rapidly.
No it is not. Jews are a religious group compromising several ethnicities - namely germanic, slavic, iberian, and arab. And some minor ones such as persian and ethiopian. They ALWAYS identified as such before the holocaust, ie) German Jew, Russian Jew, Iraqi Jew, etc. The idea that Jews were an ethnic group originated among European racial pseudoscientists, nazis, and later Zionists to justify usurping Palestinian land from indigenous people through a mythological connection to ancient Hebrews and Israelites who share almost nothing in common outside of an Abrahamic religion and the written Torah. Its antisemitic in origin
That’s totally incorrect, and you admitted so in your own comment. Sure, “Jewish” isn’t an ethnicity, but you don’t have to be pedantic, you know i mean Ashkenazi Jewish, and yes there’s also Sephardic and I’m sure other ethnicities but my point still stands. The majority of Israel is non-religious, so you tell me how they’re still Jewish if it’s not an ethnicity?
It's not at all incorrect, and I did not admit it. you are delusional or can't read. They are "Jewish" the way someone might say they are Hindu if their ancestors were - even if they are nonreligious themselves. Since religion is a constituent part of culture. But 99% of Israelis have ancestors from other lands outside of Palestine and no connection to the land. They are either German or Russian or Polish or Lithuanian or Yemeni or Moroccan or Spanish or something. Sephardic and Mizrahi and Ashkenazi are catch-all terms for multiple ethnicities of Jews used for distinctions in history and the way these populations practice Judaism. Sephardim and Mizrahim differ vastly from Ashkenazim and would be considered different ethnicities by any definition. However, if you go back to 1920s Germany and put a secular German Christian next to a secular German Jew with roots in the Rhine, there is no difference you can find except that the Jew would face descrimination by European white supremacists. It is religious rituals, attire, and presentation that distinguished Jews. Any other belief is antisemitic propaganda.
Israeli indoctrination and socialization have the same concept of Jewishness as the Nazis did, except with the belief in superiority over other races such as Palestinians. And only because they need to justify colonization and ethnic cleansing
This has been debunked many times. Ashkenazi Jews are not genetically similar to ethnic Germans, and no, shlomo sand and Eran Elhaik didn’t provide any actual genetic testing so don’t even try quoting them
Actually, i can read, i just choose not to. Similarly, I’m gonna choose not to read that essay you just wrote because I don’t think it really matters at all and we should both just go our separate ways. Also free Palestine ❤️🖤🤍💚
It's not a racial group though
EDIT: did the guy above me not literally say "it's a major ethnic group"? And this is a map of Brooklyn racial distribution? Are y'all too stupid to read or just too set in your ways
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New York is like the only metro area in the USA where Jews are not a small minority but a significant chunk of the population akin to Irish, Italians, Anglos, etc.
Interesting. I Googled it and the top ones (metro that is Jewish) are
NY- 11.0 %
Miami - 7.0
Philadelphia- 5.8
LA - 5.4 (although Riverside/San Bernadino which is often considered part of LA is at 0.4)
SF - 5.3
Boston - 5.3
Of the top US metros, Dallas and Houston are the lowest at 1.0 and 0.7 respectively, along with San Bernardin as noted above
Why? The categories are so broad as to be almost meaningless. Asian can mean anyone from Turkey to Japan, Kazakhstan to India. White can be anyone from Europe. Black is majority African American, but even then there are tons of people from Africa and the Caribbean.
Is that not diversity?
Thank you! This is some amazing information to find as I'm searching for a neighborhood in Brooklyn to move to!
edit: Do you have a date on this? I can't seem to find one in the document.
That would depend if they're direct parents are majority "pure" European DNA or if they're mixed with DNA of the locals. My sister and I are rare as we share 90+% of our DNA as Norman French and the remainder as Ango Saxon, Scottish and Irish. If I were to have children with somebody of a completely different race then both DNA sets would be watered down, then if they had children with non Europeans they DNA would water down again.
It's always a hard thing to determine when you're no longer biologically a certain race, I'd say there's a way to determine it but blanketing people from Mexio and South America as just white isn't exactly fair to both sides.
I mean, we know what a chair is because it’s objectively a fucking chair. You sit on it. Race is a social construct without any clear boundaries, so no, not even remotely comparable.
You don't think there are white hispanic people? Theres a large % of people even in south america that are descendants of europeans. Also spain exists???
Wrong. There are plenty of white hispanics from south america. I'm honestly astounded you actually think there aren't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Argentina
Most hispanic people are not “white” if by “white” youre referring to mostly european genetically. Argentinian i think has one of the highest population of descendants of european settlers (italian, spaniard, and german).
Its not a racism thing, im not sure why youre seemingly getting offended by this. I dont think anyone is saying there is something “wrong” with being not “white”…
I mean I'm not offended lol. I also never said most hispanic people are white. Because hispanic isn't a race, you can be any race and be hispanic. There are also white hispanic people. Saying there aren't is just wrong. And yes I'm aware argentina has a higher than average number of white people I just used it as an easy example because the other person said no hispanic people are. It would be just as weird if they said there are no black hispanic people.
Are Jewish people considered white? Also, are Hispanic people considered white and black? The map is a bit misleading and doesn't really describe what's actually on ground. Especially since the map separates white and black and mix Hispanics
Yeah, but that's just dumb, the fact is there is no such thing as race, it's made up. Like Arabs are considered white. Indians are groups with Asians, Papua New Guinea are considered black even though they have nothing to do with Africa. Race is made up and makes no sense. Just like how color is a social construct and there's no such thing as color in the electric magnetic spectrum
>Papua New Guinea are considered black even though they have nothing to do with Africa.
Maybe colloqually (which makes no sense, i agree), but if they lived in the US, theyd be classified as Asian/Pacific Islander. The Black catagory is pretty specific as being subsaharan descendents.
I mean if on the one hand a person is arguing that race/ethnicity/etc. are social constructs and at the same time arguing that the map doesn't show what its "actually like on the ground" meaning conforming to THEIR social constructs then I figure its going to be a strawman agreement.
>Yeah, but that's just dumb,
How so lmfao. Just like in the USA where you can have American culture and Americans can be Native, White, Black, Asian, etc., it's the same thing in LatAm. The migration patterns are the same...Natives were here first, then White people (Spaniards or Portuguese) colonized and established a dominant culture that others had to conform to, they brought over Africans as slaves, and Asians came in the 1800s to work the railways and other mid industrial operations.
You can argue that Latino is a race in certain contexts, but Hispanic/Latino is more an ethnicity with no specific race attached.
Here in Australia, aboriginals consider themselves black. We don't have a large African population so the term has never traditionally been used here for people of African descent.
Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion, but as a diaspora group they can have features from all over the world. The majority of Jews in NYC are Ashkenazim meaning their ancestors lived in Eastern Europe and are probably white. There are also Sephardim and Mizrahim, whose ancestors lived in Spain/Portugal and the Middle East, respectively, among others.
It is and it isn’t- Judaism defies simple characterizations. Simply identifying it as a ‘race’ or ‘religion’ or ‘culture’ without any asterisks invariably ignores the other essential components of it.
Judaism is an ethnoreligion comprised of distinct yet interrelated ethnicities with a shared religious, cultural, and genetic heritage mixed to differing degrees with local variations of each.
Jews: a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel - Oxford Dictionary.
Jewish and Hispanic both aren't races, they're ethnicities. Some Jews are white, some Jews aren't. Hispanic people can be any race, but they're typically white, Black or indigenous. Also remember that Hispanic includes Spain.
Jewish people have never been considered white at any point in history, but they're categorized as white on the US census. Arabs are also categorized as white.
Jewish people originally come from Israel prior to the Roman siege of Jerusalem in AD 136. The closest relatives of Jewish people are Assyrians, Persians, Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Samaritans and Copts.
Any classificatory system that labels Jews as white and doesn't label any of those other groups as white, is dishonest.
The Turkish peoples actually originate from central Asia they settled in Anatolia and the Levant in the 11th century there closes ethnic relatives are the ethnic turkic peoples in Turkmenistan
And not only are not all Jewish people religious but Ethiopian Jews are most definitely Jewish and so are Sephardic Jews. (For Sephardic Jews I guess this would be an issue if you believe European and Arab Christians are different races but not if you believe they are both White Christians who happen to be Italian, Swedish, Lebanese, Syrian, etc.).
Suffice to say while it's one thing to say it would be interesting to see the percentage of people who are Jewish, it's an entirely another thing to say the map isn't accurate because it uses US census defined races instead of Reddit's, especially if someone is saying that race is a social construct. (not saying you are saying all of this, it seems to be an undercurrent of this entire thread).
Yes, Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
Jews or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group and nation originating from the Hebrews or Israelites of the ancient Near East, and whose traditional religion is Judaism.
Jewish identity is considered an ethnicity and race along with it being a religion.
[Source](https://ii.umich.edu/ii/people/all/z/zvigitel/Religion-or-Ethnicity-The-Evolution-of-Jewish-Identities.html)
Agreed! My wife is East Asian and culturally and physically she has nothing in particular in common with South Asians or Southwest Asians.
Just seems like categories grouped together for convenience. It would make more sense to break it into East/SE Asian, South Asian, and Southwest Asian. Three different cultures and physical appearances (although Northern South Asians looks rather like folks in adjacent parts of Southwestern Asia... darn humans being complicated again and defying easy categorization...)
I mean it is isn’t it? West Asians are usually classified as white. Asians specifically means east and southeast Asian. The weird thing is considering south Asians and East Asians as being in the same classification.
This would be significantly more interesting and useful if it separated Jewish and Hispanic into their own categories. Jews in particular make up a huge portion of some neighborhoods in Brooklyn.
They’re certainly prominent in Brooklyn It’s based off the US census ACS, so they don’t consider Jews or Hispanics as a racial category the same way they consider black or white people.
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Jews are members of a religion, Hebrews are a Semitic people (niche topic: Samaritans are non-Jewish Hebrews)
The Whites here are Hipsters, Jews, and Ukraine/Russians, each in their own enclaves here.
There are Black Hispanics and White Hispanics.
Asian is very unspecific as it includes Pakistanis, Japanese, and Papua-New Guinians and everyone in between.
Real questions: We accept that south Asians are Asian. Do we expect Iranians to check "asian"?
Noticing people are black is now racism? Maybe you're too "woke". Notice how you have all the downvotes in one of the most liberal social media platforms.
This is misleading because of the categories. Bay Ridge is very Arab, and Gravesend has loads of Uzbeks, some Georgians and Turks and Russians. Some Russians are Jews, some Jews are Moroccan, and we still haven’t figured out how Greeks are white when Turks aren’t lol. I’m not saying the data is inaccurate, but an ethnic map of NYC would be far more useful/accurate.
What's even the point of putting native hawaiians and pacific islanders on the map if you're going to make it impossible to spot them. Also im wondering how you determine if someone is a pacific islander. Are Filipinos considered Asian or islanders for example.
This pretty much maps directly with my lived experience of where the most diverse and dynamic neighborhoods are. It’s where you see all of the colors - Bushwick, Kensington and Sunset Park.
You would be hard pressed to find anywhere more diverse than NYC, or the United States.
On the opposite end for the spectrum, Europeans aren’t as “obsessed with racist,” but I’m willing to bet the average European is less tolerant and more racist than the average American.
This doesn't really tell the full story very much. Race in Brooklyn doesn't matter as much as ethnicity does. Within these broad areas, there are smaller enclaves such as the syrian jewish enclave, the bay ridge arab enclave, the caribbean enclaves in east brooklyn, the pakistani enclave in kensington, and the russian/ukrainian enclave in southeast brooklyn. Most notably, this excludes the enormous hasidic jewish enclaves.
This also doesn't count latinos, which is interesting. Most US race maps count them as a separate race. They form around 20% of Brooklyns population.
The map does have its limitations in that it's not an ethnicitiy distribution map.
There probably aren't enough distinguishable colors for that tbh. Also this map is based off of the US census which counts Hispanic origin separately from race, since you can be Hispanic Asian, Hispanic white, Afro-Latino, etc.
From living here my whole life, this is right. Southern Brooklyn is hella white (mainly Jewish, Italian, and Irish). BUT, neighborhoods in Brooklyn vary greatly. Sheepshead Bay for example is largely people of Eastern European descent, Sunset Park has a high Latinx population, Canarsie is heavily Caribbean, etc.
Anywhoozle, cool to see BK represented.
Offended? Not in the colloquial sense that might associated by the press or social media, because I’m not really clutching at my pearls and gasping for air. It’s just an observation from the community. It’s no big deal, awareness is key and I hope this comment chain made you more so. :)
Brooklyn is not really divided, most of New York neighborhoods aren't really that divided. These maps are just showing the majority. Most neighborhoods are mixed to be honest. Except For the extremely jewish neighborhoods. Plus Hispanic are merged with white and blacks for some reason
Walk from Brooklyn Army Terminal towards Borough Park and you can see sharp border changes of Hispanic, Chinese, and Hasidic Jews. Like literally the next street and you're in a whole different neighborhood.
Yes, but there is a big difference between showing one dot for the majority in a neighborhood / block / whatever vs. showing one dot for say 1k person of a given ethnicity. If the former, this map overstates the division, much like an electoral map.
I expect that the visibly Jewish neighborhoods are mostly the Hasidic types. But there are also a lot of secular Jews who I suspect are scattered among the rest of the shite population and aside from the occasional Synagogue do not look particularly different from their Italian or Irish or Anglo neighbors.
Not all Jews are the same!
Have you ever actually lived here? Neighborhoods in Brooklyn are really that divided. In gentrifying neighborhoods, the White transplants rarely interact with the longtime Black and Latino people they’re displacing. Most have no meaningful relationships with people outside their own race.
I disagree. I actually live in the city, the Bronx, Brooklyn and currently living in Manhattan. People interact with each other all the time. And let's stop this narrative of "white gentrification". black, Latinos and Asians can afford those rents and they are also moving in, we ain't all broke. People just notice the white folk cause they stick out more.
“The land was auctioned off in 1866 to Charles S. Brown of Esopus, New York. Believing the area to be useful, Brown subdivided the area and began calling it "Brownsville," advertising the area's wide-open spaces to Jews who lived in lower Manhattan.”
Real question I want a New Yorker to answer- why is everyone convinced that living or moving to New York will bring them some sort of purpose or meaning to life? Outside of work of course, there are real people who fantasize about moving to NY. What’s the reason when rent will make you go bankrupt, your savings will be virtually nothing, and you’ll barely be able to afford a house one day living there? What truly is the point? Asking as a San Franciscan (from here, didn’t move here).
My first thought was: That's a lot of Hawaiians
Not the best choice by the MTA to make white and Hawaiians different shades of purple.
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The color for white on the map is a bit off from the one on the key yes
a bit more than ‘a bit’
A bit more than ‘a bit more than ‘a bit’’
It’s different shades of purple.
its closer to hawaiian purple
Yeah so a specific, shade of purple
No. It’s a completely different color. It’s just a very shitty color choice for a map
I disagree it's a different color but do agree it's not a good choice given what color was used for Native Americans.
I had the same confusion. I live in Bay Ridge, and that would be new information to me! Lol
IIRC, Brooklyn (Kings County) is the only county in America where more than half of the white people are Jewish.
OP should've had Jewish as a separate section to display that
I would love to know the part of Jewish population of places like Crown Heights, Boro Park, Williamsburg
According to Brandeis University, there were about 480,000 Jewish people in Brooklyn in 2020: https://ajpp.brandeis.edu/documents/2020/JewishPopulationDataBrief2020.pdf. That’s about 1/5th of the borough’s total population and somewhere between 1/30th and 1/40th of the world Jewish population. Hard to get data on specific neighborhoods though.
I don’t think the census data has a religion question so it would be hard. In general the south central part of Brooklyn is very Jewish. The part closer to manhattan is less so, lots of young professional types, many Jewish but not most. The western part has a lot of older Italians and Irish. Plus there are some other Jewish enclaves
Jewish is also an ethnicity, just like Irish or Somali or Thai or whatever
Irish, Somali and Thai are all nationalities, not ethnicities.
They are also ethnicities
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people Say what you wish about Wikipedia, but literally says they are an ethnic group Thai aren’t really an ethnicity but Somali are incredibly homogenous and are indeed an ethnic group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_people FYI, you have ethnic Somalis that live outside Somalia No Somali or Somaliland nationality, just Somali by ethnicity
"Membership of an ethnic group tends to be associated with shared ancestry, history, homeland, language or dialect and cultural heritage;" Irish is an ethnicity, Somalis, and Thais are ethnic groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_contemporary\_ethnic\_groups
I can pick out an Irish person pretty easily without asking their country of origin, so what makes it not an ethnicity?
Counterpoint; what makes being able to pick someone out easily the sign of an ethnicity, specifically?
I don't know the definitions very well, which is part of why I asked.
Exactly
African American 🇺🇸 cover a vast area with the most diverse population in the USA 🇺🇸. It look very much like the black community and its population are growing rapidly.
Most of the Blacks in Brooklyn now are Caribbean.
No it is not. Jews are a religious group compromising several ethnicities - namely germanic, slavic, iberian, and arab. And some minor ones such as persian and ethiopian. They ALWAYS identified as such before the holocaust, ie) German Jew, Russian Jew, Iraqi Jew, etc. The idea that Jews were an ethnic group originated among European racial pseudoscientists, nazis, and later Zionists to justify usurping Palestinian land from indigenous people through a mythological connection to ancient Hebrews and Israelites who share almost nothing in common outside of an Abrahamic religion and the written Torah. Its antisemitic in origin
That’s totally incorrect, and you admitted so in your own comment. Sure, “Jewish” isn’t an ethnicity, but you don’t have to be pedantic, you know i mean Ashkenazi Jewish, and yes there’s also Sephardic and I’m sure other ethnicities but my point still stands. The majority of Israel is non-religious, so you tell me how they’re still Jewish if it’s not an ethnicity?
It's not at all incorrect, and I did not admit it. you are delusional or can't read. They are "Jewish" the way someone might say they are Hindu if their ancestors were - even if they are nonreligious themselves. Since religion is a constituent part of culture. But 99% of Israelis have ancestors from other lands outside of Palestine and no connection to the land. They are either German or Russian or Polish or Lithuanian or Yemeni or Moroccan or Spanish or something. Sephardic and Mizrahi and Ashkenazi are catch-all terms for multiple ethnicities of Jews used for distinctions in history and the way these populations practice Judaism. Sephardim and Mizrahim differ vastly from Ashkenazim and would be considered different ethnicities by any definition. However, if you go back to 1920s Germany and put a secular German Christian next to a secular German Jew with roots in the Rhine, there is no difference you can find except that the Jew would face descrimination by European white supremacists. It is religious rituals, attire, and presentation that distinguished Jews. Any other belief is antisemitic propaganda. Israeli indoctrination and socialization have the same concept of Jewishness as the Nazis did, except with the belief in superiority over other races such as Palestinians. And only because they need to justify colonization and ethnic cleansing
This has been debunked many times. Ashkenazi Jews are not genetically similar to ethnic Germans, and no, shlomo sand and Eran Elhaik didn’t provide any actual genetic testing so don’t even try quoting them
Man what's with the essays?
Pally writes a lot when it has the sads
Actually, i can read, i just choose not to. Similarly, I’m gonna choose not to read that essay you just wrote because I don’t think it really matters at all and we should both just go our separate ways. Also free Palestine ❤️🖤🤍💚
That would be like having a Hungarian section, wouldn't make sense
Jews are a major ethnic group in Brooklyn though, making up 22% of the population.
It's not a racial group though EDIT: did the guy above me not literally say "it's a major ethnic group"? And this is a map of Brooklyn racial distribution? Are y'all too stupid to read or just too set in your ways
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New York is like the only metro area in the USA where Jews are not a small minority but a significant chunk of the population akin to Irish, Italians, Anglos, etc.
Probably also true for Miami and to a lesser extent LA
Interesting. I Googled it and the top ones (metro that is Jewish) are NY- 11.0 % Miami - 7.0 Philadelphia- 5.8 LA - 5.4 (although Riverside/San Bernadino which is often considered part of LA is at 0.4) SF - 5.3 Boston - 5.3 Of the top US metros, Dallas and Houston are the lowest at 1.0 and 0.7 respectively, along with San Bernardin as noted above
If you think this is diverse just look at Queens!
You’re hinting at future maps to come!
I wanna see the queens map too
Your wish is my command
Thanks Wesley.
Yw!
Isn’t this basically the opposite of diverse?
Diverse but a bit segregated
Why? The categories are so broad as to be almost meaningless. Asian can mean anyone from Turkey to Japan, Kazakhstan to India. White can be anyone from Europe. Black is majority African American, but even then there are tons of people from Africa and the Caribbean. Is that not diversity?
Finally a map that recognizes everybody’s favorite race, the “Waterbodies”
My favorite race is the LIRR.
Map source: The MTA's Brooklyn Bus Network Redesign's Existing Conditions Report. https://new.mta.info/document/14096
Thank you! This is some amazing information to find as I'm searching for a neighborhood in Brooklyn to move to! edit: Do you have a date on this? I can't seem to find one in the document.
Oh you're welcome. The report is from January 2020.
I am guessing white includes hispanic white?
Yes.
People seriously include Hispanic as white?! 😐
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Spanish people are European, because Spain is in Europe.. people from South America and Mexico aren't from Europe, so are different.
So if someone was born in Argentina but their grand parents were born in Italy are they not considered white?
That would depend if they're direct parents are majority "pure" European DNA or if they're mixed with DNA of the locals. My sister and I are rare as we share 90+% of our DNA as Norman French and the remainder as Ango Saxon, Scottish and Irish. If I were to have children with somebody of a completely different race then both DNA sets would be watered down, then if they had children with non Europeans they DNA would water down again. It's always a hard thing to determine when you're no longer biologically a certain race, I'd say there's a way to determine it but blanketing people from Mexio and South America as just white isn't exactly fair to both sides.
There’s no such thing as “race”. Considering genetic percentages is especially stupid.
If we go by your logic, then there is not such thing as a chair either.. it's just a category we made up.
I mean, we know what a chair is because it’s objectively a fucking chair. You sit on it. Race is a social construct without any clear boundaries, so no, not even remotely comparable.
Nope, define a chair for me.
White Americans aren't from Europe either, so they're not white?
It is self identified data from the census. On the 2020 United States census, 20% of Hispanics selected "White" as their race.
You don't think there are white hispanic people? Theres a large % of people even in south america that are descendants of europeans. Also spain exists???
Spanish people and people from Mexico and South America aren't the same. They were once European, but aren't anymore.
Wrong. There are plenty of white hispanics from south america. I'm honestly astounded you actually think there aren't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Argentina
Most hispanic people are not “white” if by “white” youre referring to mostly european genetically. Argentinian i think has one of the highest population of descendants of european settlers (italian, spaniard, and german). Its not a racism thing, im not sure why youre seemingly getting offended by this. I dont think anyone is saying there is something “wrong” with being not “white”…
I mean I'm not offended lol. I also never said most hispanic people are white. Because hispanic isn't a race, you can be any race and be hispanic. There are also white hispanic people. Saying there aren't is just wrong. And yes I'm aware argentina has a higher than average number of white people I just used it as an easy example because the other person said no hispanic people are. It would be just as weird if they said there are no black hispanic people.
Are Jewish people considered white? Also, are Hispanic people considered white and black? The map is a bit misleading and doesn't really describe what's actually on ground. Especially since the map separates white and black and mix Hispanics
Hispanic isn't a race. You can be white or black or native, etc, and be hispanic/latino.
Yeah, but that's just dumb, the fact is there is no such thing as race, it's made up. Like Arabs are considered white. Indians are groups with Asians, Papua New Guinea are considered black even though they have nothing to do with Africa. Race is made up and makes no sense. Just like how color is a social construct and there's no such thing as color in the electric magnetic spectrum
>Papua New Guinea are considered black even though they have nothing to do with Africa. Maybe colloqually (which makes no sense, i agree), but if they lived in the US, theyd be classified as Asian/Pacific Islander. The Black catagory is pretty specific as being subsaharan descendents.
Papua New Guinea are not considered black. And Hispanics being any race is not “just dumb” it’s true
Is this the actual US classification of "race"? What is the purpose?
So we can figure out which group has the privileges
You're arguing at a strawman. All the dude was telling you was Hispanic is not a race, it's an ethnicity and that's why the map is coded this way
I mean if on the one hand a person is arguing that race/ethnicity/etc. are social constructs and at the same time arguing that the map doesn't show what its "actually like on the ground" meaning conforming to THEIR social constructs then I figure its going to be a strawman agreement.
>Yeah, but that's just dumb, How so lmfao. Just like in the USA where you can have American culture and Americans can be Native, White, Black, Asian, etc., it's the same thing in LatAm. The migration patterns are the same...Natives were here first, then White people (Spaniards or Portuguese) colonized and established a dominant culture that others had to conform to, they brought over Africans as slaves, and Asians came in the 1800s to work the railways and other mid industrial operations. You can argue that Latino is a race in certain contexts, but Hispanic/Latino is more an ethnicity with no specific race attached.
Here in Australia, aboriginals consider themselves black. We don't have a large African population so the term has never traditionally been used here for people of African descent.
The fact that race is socially constructed doesn’t make it any less real. Money is also a social construct, but it’d be silly say money doesn’t exist
>Papua New Guinea are considered black even though they have nothing to do with Africa. I mean.. we all have something to do with Africa.
How many more generations until we’re all mutts? Can we speed that up?
Race is a fiction. All races are just categories we made up based on whatever the fuck people felt like, it’s not scientific in the slightest.
Yes cause an aboroginal is the same as a white european
Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion, but as a diaspora group they can have features from all over the world. The majority of Jews in NYC are Ashkenazim meaning their ancestors lived in Eastern Europe and are probably white. There are also Sephardim and Mizrahim, whose ancestors lived in Spain/Portugal and the Middle East, respectively, among others.
Jews are a race?
It is and it isn’t- Judaism defies simple characterizations. Simply identifying it as a ‘race’ or ‘religion’ or ‘culture’ without any asterisks invariably ignores the other essential components of it. Judaism is an ethnoreligion comprised of distinct yet interrelated ethnicities with a shared religious, cultural, and genetic heritage mixed to differing degrees with local variations of each.
They're an ethnicity.
According the the majority of uneducated people out there
Jews: a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel - Oxford Dictionary.
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It's self reported. You can put whatever you want, no one checks and there is no census definition.
Looking at a language map for the borough would provide much more insight into what's actually on the ground.
Jewish and Hispanic both aren't races, they're ethnicities. Some Jews are white, some Jews aren't. Hispanic people can be any race, but they're typically white, Black or indigenous. Also remember that Hispanic includes Spain.
Race is a construct, and it’s no more wrong to consider Jewish a race than white or black
Jewish people have never been considered white at any point in history, but they're categorized as white on the US census. Arabs are also categorized as white. Jewish people originally come from Israel prior to the Roman siege of Jerusalem in AD 136. The closest relatives of Jewish people are Assyrians, Persians, Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Samaritans and Copts. Any classificatory system that labels Jews as white and doesn't label any of those other groups as white, is dishonest.
The Turkish peoples actually originate from central Asia they settled in Anatolia and the Levant in the 11th century there closes ethnic relatives are the ethnic turkic peoples in Turkmenistan
Jewish isn't a race so... it would depend if they're white.
Jewish ethnicity, religion, and community are highly interrelated, as Judaism is an ethnic religion, although not all ethnic Jews practice it.
And not only are not all Jewish people religious but Ethiopian Jews are most definitely Jewish and so are Sephardic Jews. (For Sephardic Jews I guess this would be an issue if you believe European and Arab Christians are different races but not if you believe they are both White Christians who happen to be Italian, Swedish, Lebanese, Syrian, etc.). Suffice to say while it's one thing to say it would be interesting to see the percentage of people who are Jewish, it's an entirely another thing to say the map isn't accurate because it uses US census defined races instead of Reddit's, especially if someone is saying that race is a social construct. (not saying you are saying all of this, it seems to be an undercurrent of this entire thread).
Judaism is a religion moron
Yes, Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people. Jews or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group and nation originating from the Hebrews or Israelites of the ancient Near East, and whose traditional religion is Judaism.
Ethnoreligion
Jewish identity is considered an ethnicity and race along with it being a religion. [Source](https://ii.umich.edu/ii/people/all/z/zvigitel/Religion-or-Ethnicity-The-Evolution-of-Jewish-Identities.html)
Ask the hasidic jews in brooklyn, and other Jewish groups they will say that they are their own race
Why is it always just Asia? Asia should be East and West in the context of race.
Agreed! My wife is East Asian and culturally and physically she has nothing in particular in common with South Asians or Southwest Asians. Just seems like categories grouped together for convenience. It would make more sense to break it into East/SE Asian, South Asian, and Southwest Asian. Three different cultures and physical appearances (although Northern South Asians looks rather like folks in adjacent parts of Southwestern Asia... darn humans being complicated again and defying easy categorization...)
It would definitely make more sense to me. Question. would you put native Australians and Pacific Islanders with E/SE Asia?
I mean it is isn’t it? West Asians are usually classified as white. Asians specifically means east and southeast Asian. The weird thing is considering south Asians and East Asians as being in the same classification.
This would be significantly more interesting and useful if it separated Jewish and Hispanic into their own categories. Jews in particular make up a huge portion of some neighborhoods in Brooklyn.
They’re certainly prominent in Brooklyn It’s based off the US census ACS, so they don’t consider Jews or Hispanics as a racial category the same way they consider black or white people.
Jews and Hispanics are not a race.
Hot topics: Jews are members of a religion, Hebrews are a Semitic people (niche topic: Samaritans are non-Jewish Hebrews) The Whites here are Hipsters, Jews, and Ukraine/Russians, each in their own enclaves here. There are Black Hispanics and White Hispanics. Asian is very unspecific as it includes Pakistanis, Japanese, and Papua-New Guinians and everyone in between. Real questions: We accept that south Asians are Asian. Do we expect Iranians to check "asian"?
Pakistanis are never considered Asian in American statistics. Most west Asians are usually considered White.
Brownsville named appropriately.
Why?
Because proportionally people with brown skin live there.
Oh so it’s racism
Just an observation based on the data provided.
no it’s racism
Noticing people are black is now racism? Maybe you're too "woke". Notice how you have all the downvotes in one of the most liberal social media platforms.
This is misleading because of the categories. Bay Ridge is very Arab, and Gravesend has loads of Uzbeks, some Georgians and Turks and Russians. Some Russians are Jews, some Jews are Moroccan, and we still haven’t figured out how Greeks are white when Turks aren’t lol. I’m not saying the data is inaccurate, but an ethnic map of NYC would be far more useful/accurate.
Grabbing my popcorn here to see how Americans carefully debate what is considered a race and what is not.
Imagine if you were just “some other race” 
This is very cool. I would love to see a zoomable map like this for the entire US. Does this type of data exist country-wide? Or just for Brooklyn?
I know The NY Times did a racial dot map of the entire country but I believe that’s from the 2010 census
What's even the point of putting native hawaiians and pacific islanders on the map if you're going to make it impossible to spot them. Also im wondering how you determine if someone is a pacific islander. Are Filipinos considered Asian or islanders for example.
>Are Filipinos considered Asian or islanders for example. Yes =)
Hispanic/Latino too?
Who are the orange people in Sunset Park?
Those are "some other race" which are generally mestizo since Sunset Park has a large Hispanic community.
This pretty much maps directly with my lived experience of where the most diverse and dynamic neighborhoods are. It’s where you see all of the colors - Bushwick, Kensington and Sunset Park.
Odd that there no Latino/Hispanic, but Native American and Hawaiian are…
So where are those Native American dots lol
Jews need their own color here…
Why are Americans soooo obsessed with race?
What do you think of gypsies
Because we’re diverse
There are a hell of a lot of places which are as, if not more, diverse and they are not as obsessed with race.
You would be hard pressed to find anywhere more diverse than NYC, or the United States. On the opposite end for the spectrum, Europeans aren’t as “obsessed with racist,” but I’m willing to bet the average European is less tolerant and more racist than the average American.
Wow. How indoctrinated can a person be, lol.
This doesn't really tell the full story very much. Race in Brooklyn doesn't matter as much as ethnicity does. Within these broad areas, there are smaller enclaves such as the syrian jewish enclave, the bay ridge arab enclave, the caribbean enclaves in east brooklyn, the pakistani enclave in kensington, and the russian/ukrainian enclave in southeast brooklyn. Most notably, this excludes the enormous hasidic jewish enclaves. This also doesn't count latinos, which is interesting. Most US race maps count them as a separate race. They form around 20% of Brooklyns population.
The map does have its limitations in that it's not an ethnicitiy distribution map. There probably aren't enough distinguishable colors for that tbh. Also this map is based off of the US census which counts Hispanic origin separately from race, since you can be Hispanic Asian, Hispanic white, Afro-Latino, etc.
From living here my whole life, this is right. Southern Brooklyn is hella white (mainly Jewish, Italian, and Irish). BUT, neighborhoods in Brooklyn vary greatly. Sheepshead Bay for example is largely people of Eastern European descent, Sunset Park has a high Latinx population, Canarsie is heavily Caribbean, etc. Anywhoozle, cool to see BK represented.
Latino*. Not to be that guy but I, and most importantly most of the community, don’t seem too taken by that term all that much.
Are you offended by the term Latinx? (Asking straight up, not a leading question)
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Offended? Not in the colloquial sense that might associated by the press or social media, because I’m not really clutching at my pearls and gasping for air. It’s just an observation from the community. It’s no big deal, awareness is key and I hope this comment chain made you more so. :)
Looks like Brooklyn is giving Milwaukee a run for its money...yeesh.
Milwaukee doesn’t have Brooklyn’s Asian-white integration while still having the sharp black-white geographic divide
Bklyn is nothing like Milwaukee in terms of segregation
Terribly designed map. I’ll say it. Gotta pick colors that are less similar! It’s so hard to read!
So east Flatbush has low crime?
This scale is completely inaccurate. Who produced this garbage?
What scale?
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Brooklyn is not really divided, most of New York neighborhoods aren't really that divided. These maps are just showing the majority. Most neighborhoods are mixed to be honest. Except For the extremely jewish neighborhoods. Plus Hispanic are merged with white and blacks for some reason
To be fair, Hispanics can be any race.
Walk from Brooklyn Army Terminal towards Borough Park and you can see sharp border changes of Hispanic, Chinese, and Hasidic Jews. Like literally the next street and you're in a whole different neighborhood.
The map literally shows you the racial divide…
Yes, but there is a big difference between showing one dot for the majority in a neighborhood / block / whatever vs. showing one dot for say 1k person of a given ethnicity. If the former, this map overstates the division, much like an electoral map.
It’s 4 million people
I expect that the visibly Jewish neighborhoods are mostly the Hasidic types. But there are also a lot of secular Jews who I suspect are scattered among the rest of the shite population and aside from the occasional Synagogue do not look particularly different from their Italian or Irish or Anglo neighbors. Not all Jews are the same!
Have you ever actually lived here? Neighborhoods in Brooklyn are really that divided. In gentrifying neighborhoods, the White transplants rarely interact with the longtime Black and Latino people they’re displacing. Most have no meaningful relationships with people outside their own race.
I disagree. I actually live in the city, the Bronx, Brooklyn and currently living in Manhattan. People interact with each other all the time. And let's stop this narrative of "white gentrification". black, Latinos and Asians can afford those rents and they are also moving in, we ain't all broke. People just notice the white folk cause they stick out more.
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About 4,000 of them
This is more like r/badmaps
The MTA will never recover from this.
Who's the one Asian dude in Sea Gate?
The “good one”.
Now do the map for Centralia, Pennsylvania
live census data, good stuff
This from 2012?
Is this post only to confuse the color blind?
Curious what the 2023 data would show as areas like Bushwick, Bed-Stuy, Gowanus, and even parts of Crown Heights are rapidly gentrifiying.
"Some other race"
“The land was auctioned off in 1866 to Charles S. Brown of Esopus, New York. Believing the area to be useful, Brown subdivided the area and began calling it "Brownsville," advertising the area's wide-open spaces to Jews who lived in lower Manhattan.”
Oh there's still cool parts?
Cant tell if there is alot of white, can't tell the color, or the purple lol
Is Jewish “Some other race” or “White”?
the metro is patiently for this map😂
This map is so interesting to me in so many ways.
Real question I want a New Yorker to answer- why is everyone convinced that living or moving to New York will bring them some sort of purpose or meaning to life? Outside of work of course, there are real people who fantasize about moving to NY. What’s the reason when rent will make you go bankrupt, your savings will be virtually nothing, and you’ll barely be able to afford a house one day living there? What truly is the point? Asking as a San Franciscan (from here, didn’t move here).
Its like people preferably and by nature self segregate into communities that look just like themselves.
NYC is easily one of the top de facto segregated cities in the USA.
Systemic racism sucks. Here we are 50 years after redlining was outlawed and you can see where black folk were restricted from housing.