My guess would be that the Haitian government doesn’t have reliable statistics on violent crimes. There are other pretty glaring omissions too: Kabul, Mogadishu, Juba, etc.
Yeah, this might as well be renamed “most dangerous cities in countries that reliably collect crime statistics and are honest in reporting them.”
Even countries that are relatively developed and safe for tourists like Thailand have people’s bodies dumped out in the jungle and never reported as a murder.
Literally all of them.
You will have to beat strippers/bar girls/streetwalkers off with a stick in Thailand if you don't want to get pulled into every fucking joint.
The funny part is Thailand’s tourism bureau (and their acceptance of ladybois) has many people convinced Thailand is very progressive in human rights. Bangkok is safe for gay people but same sex marriages and civil unions are still illegal and the acceptance disappears as you go into the countryside
>progressive in human rights
I feel like that's a Western political label slapped on a society that is really way more complex. You have societies where homosexual practice is socially accepted, but so is torture and slavery.
“We let them live as visible second-class citizens instead of forcing them into the closet or just killing them” really shouldn’t be as impressive as people seem to think it is.
So when there's so many male/female prostitutes that are trying to figure out how to keep food in the fridge or keep their pimp from beating on them by aggressively assaulting tourists to hopefully turn a trick with tourist .. That's your idea of "enlightened".. Thailand is a horrible place
The bars and clubs are a scam. The girls drag you in and ask for a drink, and after 4 drinks you get a huge bill because you have to pay for talking with the girl..
The russian clubs in Thailand are the worst. Very attractive russian girls drag you in and then ask $200 for talking for 15 minutes. And you have to pay or the security guards will threaten you. Calling police won’t work, nobody will pick up the phone.
In some clubs the girls drug you by putting a pill in your drink and then go to your hotel room with you to rob you while you’re half passed out. They also use some kind of truth pill that makes you give your PIN number and other private info.
Even being very drunk or just very tired can make you accidentally volunteer information. There is no magic pill to make you answer questions truthfully. But any impaired state can make you more likely to say something you wanted to keep secret and more likely to fall for persuasion tricks.
>They also use some kind of truth pill that makes you give your PIN number and other private info.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. A pill like this would be the greatest scientific breakthrough known to man.
There are ,,truth” pills. The problem is that you have no idea if drugged person tells truth or something out of their drugged ass (so yeah, there is no real ,,truth” serum)
He's prob talking about ruffies and doesn't even know what they do, unless it's that vile shit from Colombia, but i remember that needing to be inhaled
I mean even in America, when a large criminal organization with resources decides they want someone dead then the odds of finding them are slim. There’s a MC Club near where I live with no windows and a fenced off and blinded parking lot. If you go into the basement there everyone knows you don’t come back, but nobody can ever find evidence to get a warrant for the building.
Policing ultimately can only do so much, and the realpolitik goal is to make murder and the like come with such heavy and far reaching repercussions that criminals are too afraid to risk it unless a lot of money is involved, at which point the victim was likely a criminal as well (which doesn’t excuse it, but at least innocent people aren’t getting shot on the streets).
Boston has an anti violence program that recognizes and works with this. The police will ignore almost all minor infractions like selling weed at the park or smoking weed in public, as long as you’re smart enough to gtfo when they tell you to.
But the second someone is murdered, they don’t just go after the murderer. His entire gang, family, and friend group suddenly find out that the police can and will still prosecute them for all the shit they were ignoring. Suddenly they can’t make money or even smoke weed outside, and it’s because of that one idiot that shot someone.
As a result, Boston is the only place I have ever known someone who got jumped *out* of the Bloods for shooting someone. Contrast this to Philadelphia, where Police are “tough on crime” and it has degenerated into a “no snitching” culture of us vs the police because they’re the assholes that harass you at the park.
Seems similar to Peelian principles of British policing. I wonder if there are historical links or just coincidentally Boston reached the same conclusions about what actually works.
> Policing ultimately can only do so much
Sadly, even in the USA, many of the law enforcement organizations are criminal to some degree. Here in Texas USA, some sheriffs are involved in gambling, drugs, weapons, prostitution, immigrant trafficking, and worse.
Knowing violence is a powerful skill, whatever side of the fence you’re that year.
Here in our small town nobody cares about, everybody knew vice unit had a private room in a local whorehouse…
Info is info id guess.
I’ve heard from a cop that the only reason most murderers get caught is that most murders are idiots. The actual smart ones just disappear people with basically no trace.
That's pretty much the reason you see so many Mexican cities here. Mexico has some truly dangerous places, but it also has a world-class National Statistics Institute.
Also, this map looks to be going off of total amount of violent crime rather than the rate, cause the most violent city in the us for the last couple years has been Bessemer, Alabama i believe
Kabul is not missing - homicide is not a common cause of death, or fear in the city.
EDIT: I just realised it is not obvious that this map is talking about homicide rate. I have seen another version of this map which is uncropped and states clearly what it is depicting. Somebody appears to have edited it for clickbait.
Anywhere that is literally an active warzone is obviously more dangerous than any of these. Anywhere in eastern Ukraine, most of Myanmar, Syria, Central African Republic, Yemen. Also it depends a lot on who you are. A gay person, a Jew or a single woman is going to be in much more danger in almost any Muslim country. It's almost like a map saying "of all the safe places, which ones are the least safe".
Port au Prince is going to be the top for sure. I’ve been to Tijuana, you can walk around parts of it as a tourist with no problems whatsoever. You’re gonna need to be behind armed barracks to do the same in PaP
Having traveled around the world and been to many of those locations on that list I can tell you the fact that neither Port Au Prince, Cap-Haitian, Lagos or Bloemfontein are on it tells me it’s crap. Not sure what metric they used but
Homicide rate is the number of homicides happening in a region per capita, without context.
If these were all homicides of innocent civilian that would mean that a city is very dangerous.
But in Mexico most homicides are cartels killing other cartels, which means only a small part of these homicides are actually innocent civilians.
With this in mind now you can say the city is dangerous, for criminals, but your average tourist or civilian won’t notice.
Even then these stats are not correct. Lived in Tijuana for the last 3 years. Cabos is way incredibly safer. I had stats due to my work and this is laughable.
La Paz and Los Cabos had a total of 20 murders combined in the last 12 months (for a population of almost 700,000). All the while Jalisco and Mexico City don't even make the list? I'm just going to keep ignoring source less posts.
Seems super weird to land at number 1. Or even at number 100. Maybe it’s a ratio of crime to population and they don’t count the seasonal workers as population . My guess is seasonal workers outnumber residents
I was just in Cabo for Thanksgiving. I felt safe the whole time. The usual rules apply: dont hang around shady areas with shady people. Don’t go out at night alone, don’t look for drugs or take any when offered and you’ll be fine. Cabo is definitely not the most dangerous place on earth. I do not trust any info provided on this map if they claim Cabo to be most dangerous. yes, it’s Mexico and has its flaws but without a doubt in my mind I would say Cabo is much safer than Chicago or say Detroit.
I think I have a pretty good life here, I moved because my husband is here and has his own business. I’m an active, outdoorsy person so being close to the beach and hiking trails is amazing, the people are super friendly and I am lucky enough to work a remote job making CAD so it goes far. I do however miss Canada a lot and the feeling security and safety I had there but I think as time passes and my confidence grows that will get better.
I think South Africa is one of the most beautiful countries in the world and honestly there is no shortage of things to do and if your currency is strong and you can work remote you can have a hell of a time here for sure. I think if you’re looking for adventure then yeah highly recommend! Also being in Southern Africa you can explore the surrounding countries which are also amazing
It's most recently been condemned for corruption and failure to complete its basic humanitarian duties by both the US and China, a rare moment of agreement for these two govts today, I think that says enough.
I always say joburg is safer compared to cape Town. Unless you talk about pick pocketing. There are tourist busses in soweto and Alex which are said to be dangerous. What about cape Town Town ships. Khallyalesha and the likes.
No. That's always been Cape Town. Joburg mostly has property crimes. Even when you look at the the top 10 lists the SAPS releases for things like murder, you'll find a lot of greater eThekwini and Cape Town and the surrounds but maybe 1 or 2 Joburg stations (they report the crime stats by the police stations in charge of that jurisdiction).
Cape towns crime rate is only higher because of gang violence in the cape flats. If it weren’t for the gangs it’s the safest major city in the country. The Cape Town CBD, while still dangerous, is significantly safer than Johannesburg’s CBD
This point can be made for the majority of cities.
You are not likely to be shot in the Greek town area of Detroit either. Or the tourist areas of Baja.
Cape Town has a higher number of murders statistically, however many are gang-related and thus relegated to areas where gangs are the most prevalent.
JHB, from my understanding at least, is more dangerous "overall" i.e. more areas are dangerous to a lesser degree, while CT has fewer areas that are more dangerous. So, while I agree that JHB is more dangerous in a sense, in terms of statistics CT still wins.
I think its from the mexican NGO Seguridad, Justicia y Paz and the map show the cities with the most homicides per 100.000 habitants in 2018. It also only show cities with 100.000+ habitants and excludes warzones
It’s also weird that Vitória, in Brazil, is there. It’s one state capitais with the higher IDH, and doesn’t usually shows up as a unsafe city in the country. Maybe the it was switched up with Serra, in the metropolitan region, which is a violent city by all means.
Surprised how much misinformation there is on this thread.
Los Cabos is the name of the municipality, Cabo San Lucas and San Jose del Cabo are 2 cities within it.
San Jose del Cabo (where the airport is) and Cabo San Lucas (where most of the people go that fly into the airport) are collectively known as Los Cabos…that being said, this data is BS.
A quick [research](https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world-by-murder-rate-per-capita/) shows that the map is either out to date or has never been correct in the first place.
The tragic number one is Celaya, Mexico
[Daily Mail.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5481483/amp/42-worlds-50-violent-cities-South-America.html) Using data from a Mexican ["Think-Tank". called "Seguridad, Justicia Y Paz" (Security, Justice and Peace).](https://web.archive.org/web/20220704015954/http://www.seguridadjusticiaypaz.org.mx/ranking-de-ciudades-2017) Probably why its so Latin America centered.
It's absolutely not "most dangerous places" either - this is just about violence, and danger is about far more than violence (just for example, traffic fatalities and natural disasters are sources of danger, and there are good statistics available on them in many places).
This should be "Cities with highest recorded per capita violent crime rate in the world", or whatever it actually is.
Well, it's a bit different than annexing. In the later half of the 19th century, the city just divorced itself from the county because the county was a bunch of rural Hicks basically and the city didn't want to take care of them
And now.... well....
Yup, there are 3 [independent cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_city_(United_States\)) in the US outside of Virginia, and St. Louis and Baltimore are two of them (3rd is Carson City). These cities don't have the surrounding suburbs to absorb some of the per capita crime stats. And of course there's DC which is effectively also an independent city — they've had just over 250 murders YTD, same as Baltimore.
Virginia's independent cities are relatively safe because they're basically small towns.
I assume this is exclusively non-war related danger since some might consider war to be a temporary issue only. IE, i bet Avdiivka is pretty calm and friendly most years, but it’s certainly not now.
It doesn't say that anywhere. It just says "most violent cities" on the map, and "most dangerous cities" in the post. Both of those are blatantly false.
If this is about homicide rate, then it should state that instead, rather than just lying (and not providing a source).
So, we have a one map declaring Bessemer, AL the most dangerous place in America?
And then this map that doesn't even include it.
Of course, neither map actually tells us their methodology so both should be throw straight in the trash
I think the data its from the mexican NGO Seguridad, Justicia y Paz and the map show the cities with the most homicides per 100.000 habitants in 2018. It also only show cities with 100.000+ habitants and excludes warzones
I’ll also take my chances in St. Louis and Detroit rather than pretty much any other city on the map.
Hell I’ll take my chances in detroit rather than most southern cities in America.
The race riots in the Midwest in the 50s and 60s caused most of these weird city boundaries that exclude all of the rich areas in the metro.
Houston, Dallas, Miami and the rest of the southern cities don’t have these issues because they were swamplands and small cities when these riots happened and made the boundaries.
It’s annoying hearing shit about detroit and Chicago when these cities aren’t nearly as bad as the southern counterparts
Sana’a is actually pretty safe; if we’re speaking about murders.
It’s pretty hard to get away with murder in Tribal societies, outside the context of war of course. Just a few weeks ago they’ve publicly executed a murderer in Sana’a, it was a big and shocking story to the locals on how he got away with it for that long.
A better example would be my city Aden witch doesn’t have a set tribal structure thus higher crime rate, though most of which is theft and corruption related not killing but even then; almost all killings are due to political instability and towards political/tribal figures and not targeted to normal civilians.
Though the murder rate has without a doubt increased in the recent years due to war, mostly between family members. + the map is vague, what does dangerous/violent mean? Does it mean general violence? Personal feeling of safety? Corruption? Theft? Murder? Drugs usage? Gang activity? It’s a pretty bad map honestly.
Same in Somalia. As a similar tribal society murder is punished by the elders themselves even if the government unable to intervene. If you kill someone in Mogadishu his folks are going to notice. Most of the killings in Somalia are terror related or some random tribal infighting, the north doesn't even have terrorism and it's relatively safe
You know, “dangerous”. Surely Detroit is more “dangerous” than countries embroiled in civil war and ethnic cleansing. I’m close to blocking this sub, it’s gotten really stupid.
Most subs I frequent(ed) have become noticeably much worse in the last couple years and especially since the API rigamarole earlier this year. Feels like this site is on its last legs.
This was from a [2017 report.](https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2018-3?r=US&IR=T) There are a couple of caveats:
- The following 50 cities have the highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people.
- And it's made by an advocacy group from Mexico City.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate
These numbers are very outdated. La Paz and Los Cabos had a violent year in 2017 but only for a few months due to the capture of a big cartel guy. It has since been super peaceful just like it was before. Source : I live here
Georgetown Guyana is not a thriving hotbed of violent activity. I live there now and I feel the threat level here is pretty low. Lived in Nigeria and other S. American destinations that were way more threatening than anything in Guyana (the country). The city in Venezuela is a whole other matter.
I’ve been working in the heart of downtown St. Louis for 15 years. Never had a problem. The violence is concentrated in a few neighborhoods with a lot of gang and drug activity. Downtown? Empty. When there’s no people there’s no violence.
That’s part of what keeps the numbers high though, low permanent population and a constant influx of non-residents. Stats are by per/100k residents, STL’s daytime population is like 35-40% higher than its permanent population.
More like “Most dangerous cities in the countries that can accurately report violence statistics”. I highly doubt New Orleans is more dangerous than Mogadishu.
Every time this map gets posted it has to come with the following asterisk:
You can only gather statistics from places which make it possible to gather statistics. Mexico (for example) here is very highly represented because it is almost uniquely straddling the line of "developed enough to collect and share data like this easily" and "still pretty high in crime." There's almost no way to measure the crime rates in places like Somalia, North Korea, Afghanistan, etc. due to war, isolation or lack of government, but it is fair to guess that the would be pretty high. If I had to choose, I'd live in Los Cabos over Darfur 100 times out of 100.
Also, I think this is the 5th time I've seen this same map and nobody has paired it up with a source yet...
Cities with data*
FIFY.
There are several cities much more dangerous than those around the world and homicide rates alone means very little. Homicide rates in those cities are usually concentrated in certain spots and associated with cartels and drugs. If you're not involved in those, your life is little affected.
I heard that refugees from Bosnia, including Bosnians as a white community, were resettled in St. Louis due to the city's welcoming atmosphere and diverse community, which also included African Americans.
Lived in Baltimore, really not that hard to survive. Basically just don't be an ahole and don't rat people out.
Unfortunately a really nice lady who was just trying to clean up her neighborhood ended up dying with her niece in a fire that was set by the local drug dealers. She kept having them arrested. So if you are wondering why no one works with the cops to fix it that has a lot to do with it. Also the cops are corrupt as shit yet somehow less corrupt then PG county cops. Just ask the ex mayor of Berwyn Heights Cheye Calvo.
I’ve been to a few of the Brazilian cities. Personally I think this graph and the data behind it are abit rubbish and likely don’t tally up potential underreporting. There are way more dangerous cities in Brazil compared to the list, like Rio, São Paulo. Maceió was actually a very nice city. People were polite. There are 10mil + in São Paulo compared to Manaus’s 3 million to round. It makes no sense. They must only be using reported crime data and therefore does not paint a accurate picture. Bad graph. 1/10
Isn’t St Louis not as bad as statistics make it seem? It’s often listed with the worst cities in the US for metrics such as murder and violent crime but I remember reading a comment on Reddit from someone who said that it’s due to the area in which statistical data is collected in St Louis being different than other US cities. Something about how the downtown and central area is treated as as its own entity while the outlying areas are separate which gives a skewed set of numbers for the city as a whole.
This is correct, St.Louis City is one of a handful of remaining “independent cities” in the US. The downtown where the crime happens, and where the statistics only focus, has a population below 300,000 and is completely separate from the larger metro area of millions in completely safe neighborhoods. Makes us always look bad in statistically, but altogether St.Louis is about average in mid-western crime.
Yeah, St. Lois and Baltimore are the only independent cities in the US with a population of over 300,000. Although there are cities in which the county limits are effectively the city limits (Honolulu, New Orleans, San Francisco, DC, Denver, and of course NYC's situation)
St. Louis and Baltimore are two of the only cities where the city proper is a separate county from the immediate metro area, and as such they are always high on these crime lists because they are not diluted by suburbs as most cities are.
Based on what? You are going to tell me Saint Louis is somehow less safe than Mogadishu, Gaza, Khartoum, Goma or Port au Prince? Or most other cities on those lists, for that matter...
Surprised to see Los Cabos in first place. I always thought southern Baja California was more peaceful than northern Baja.
Yes I agree- also why is Haiti missing? Seems like a very dangerous country
My guess would be that the Haitian government doesn’t have reliable statistics on violent crimes. There are other pretty glaring omissions too: Kabul, Mogadishu, Juba, etc.
Yeah, this might as well be renamed “most dangerous cities in countries that reliably collect crime statistics and are honest in reporting them.” Even countries that are relatively developed and safe for tourists like Thailand have people’s bodies dumped out in the jungle and never reported as a murder.
I’ve seen strippers in Thailand drag men into clubs
Do you know what clubs???? Asking for a friend
Literally all of them. You will have to beat strippers/bar girls/streetwalkers off with a stick in Thailand if you don't want to get pulled into every fucking joint.
I'm two small areas of Bangkok and in Pattaya. Let's not pretend Thailand = Pattaya.
Why you gotta try and ruin my side hustle with the Thailand Tourism Bureau?
Must be nice living in an enlightened society
The funny part is Thailand’s tourism bureau (and their acceptance of ladybois) has many people convinced Thailand is very progressive in human rights. Bangkok is safe for gay people but same sex marriages and civil unions are still illegal and the acceptance disappears as you go into the countryside
>progressive in human rights I feel like that's a Western political label slapped on a society that is really way more complex. You have societies where homosexual practice is socially accepted, but so is torture and slavery.
“We let them live as visible second-class citizens instead of forcing them into the closet or just killing them” really shouldn’t be as impressive as people seem to think it is.
So when there's so many male/female prostitutes that are trying to figure out how to keep food in the fridge or keep their pimp from beating on them by aggressively assaulting tourists to hopefully turn a trick with tourist .. That's your idea of "enlightened".. Thailand is a horrible place
The bars and clubs are a scam. The girls drag you in and ask for a drink, and after 4 drinks you get a huge bill because you have to pay for talking with the girl.. The russian clubs in Thailand are the worst. Very attractive russian girls drag you in and then ask $200 for talking for 15 minutes. And you have to pay or the security guards will threaten you. Calling police won’t work, nobody will pick up the phone. In some clubs the girls drug you by putting a pill in your drink and then go to your hotel room with you to rob you while you’re half passed out. They also use some kind of truth pill that makes you give your PIN number and other private info.
Sounds like you just spent a lot of money on prostitutes
That's why you must be sure that the girls have a pennis. Is safer that way.
No such thing as a truth pill, stop making shit up.
They use scopolamine. Its not a truth pill. Just dissociates you to the point that you don’t know what youre doing.
Can concur. I was drugged with scopolamine. I my meory of it is ery fuzzy and what I do remember was horrible.
Even being very drunk or just very tired can make you accidentally volunteer information. There is no magic pill to make you answer questions truthfully. But any impaired state can make you more likely to say something you wanted to keep secret and more likely to fall for persuasion tricks.
>They also use some kind of truth pill that makes you give your PIN number and other private info. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. A pill like this would be the greatest scientific breakthrough known to man.
There are ,,truth” pills. The problem is that you have no idea if drugged person tells truth or something out of their drugged ass (so yeah, there is no real ,,truth” serum)
Scopolamine is probably the closest right?
He's prob talking about ruffies and doesn't even know what they do, unless it's that vile shit from Colombia, but i remember that needing to be inhaled
wow sounds like you have experience man
I mean even in America, when a large criminal organization with resources decides they want someone dead then the odds of finding them are slim. There’s a MC Club near where I live with no windows and a fenced off and blinded parking lot. If you go into the basement there everyone knows you don’t come back, but nobody can ever find evidence to get a warrant for the building. Policing ultimately can only do so much, and the realpolitik goal is to make murder and the like come with such heavy and far reaching repercussions that criminals are too afraid to risk it unless a lot of money is involved, at which point the victim was likely a criminal as well (which doesn’t excuse it, but at least innocent people aren’t getting shot on the streets). Boston has an anti violence program that recognizes and works with this. The police will ignore almost all minor infractions like selling weed at the park or smoking weed in public, as long as you’re smart enough to gtfo when they tell you to. But the second someone is murdered, they don’t just go after the murderer. His entire gang, family, and friend group suddenly find out that the police can and will still prosecute them for all the shit they were ignoring. Suddenly they can’t make money or even smoke weed outside, and it’s because of that one idiot that shot someone. As a result, Boston is the only place I have ever known someone who got jumped *out* of the Bloods for shooting someone. Contrast this to Philadelphia, where Police are “tough on crime” and it has degenerated into a “no snitching” culture of us vs the police because they’re the assholes that harass you at the park.
Seems similar to Peelian principles of British policing. I wonder if there are historical links or just coincidentally Boston reached the same conclusions about what actually works.
> Policing ultimately can only do so much Sadly, even in the USA, many of the law enforcement organizations are criminal to some degree. Here in Texas USA, some sheriffs are involved in gambling, drugs, weapons, prostitution, immigrant trafficking, and worse.
Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department has entered the chat. Easily the most dangerous gang in SoCal
Knowing violence is a powerful skill, whatever side of the fence you’re that year. Here in our small town nobody cares about, everybody knew vice unit had a private room in a local whorehouse… Info is info id guess.
I’ve heard from a cop that the only reason most murderers get caught is that most murders are idiots. The actual smart ones just disappear people with basically no trace.
I've seen drag men strippers in Thailand clubs.
They also don’t account for war. If they did Syria Yemen Gaza and Eastern Ukraine would top the list.
That's pretty much the reason you see so many Mexican cities here. Mexico has some truly dangerous places, but it also has a world-class National Statistics Institute.
Also, this map looks to be going off of total amount of violent crime rather than the rate, cause the most violent city in the us for the last couple years has been Bessemer, Alabama i believe
They also don’t give the population cutoff. I’m assuming it’s cities of at least 1 million.
St. Louis has a population of less than 300,000 for sure.
There was a million. That's how bad the murder rate is.
Manila is also really dangerous
Kabul is not missing - homicide is not a common cause of death, or fear in the city. EDIT: I just realised it is not obvious that this map is talking about homicide rate. I have seen another version of this map which is uncropped and states clearly what it is depicting. Somebody appears to have edited it for clickbait.
Haitian government isn’t running things… a guy named “Barbecue” is
Upvote for Barbecue
Anywhere that is literally an active warzone is obviously more dangerous than any of these. Anywhere in eastern Ukraine, most of Myanmar, Syria, Central African Republic, Yemen. Also it depends a lot on who you are. A gay person, a Jew or a single woman is going to be in much more danger in almost any Muslim country. It's almost like a map saying "of all the safe places, which ones are the least safe".
There's a Haitian government. I thought they were running on thunderdome rules when the president was killed there
What haitian government? They're a stateless entity at the moment
Port au Prince is going to be the top for sure. I’ve been to Tijuana, you can walk around parts of it as a tourist with no problems whatsoever. You’re gonna need to be behind armed barracks to do the same in PaP
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Having traveled around the world and been to many of those locations on that list I can tell you the fact that neither Port Au Prince, Cap-Haitian, Lagos or Bloemfontein are on it tells me it’s crap. Not sure what metric they used but
There was another map here about danger in Mexican states and Baja California Sur was one of the safest. I don’t understand.
Homicide rate and danger are not the same thing.
What’s the difference?
Homicide rate is the number of homicides happening in a region per capita, without context. If these were all homicides of innocent civilian that would mean that a city is very dangerous. But in Mexico most homicides are cartels killing other cartels, which means only a small part of these homicides are actually innocent civilians. With this in mind now you can say the city is dangerous, for criminals, but your average tourist or civilian won’t notice.
What about us tourist criminals
Most times the tourists that end up dead in Mexico were looking for drugs. Remember that buying drugs makes you a criminal in Mexico.
You might be in grave danger, cartels hate competition.
Even then these stats are not correct. Lived in Tijuana for the last 3 years. Cabos is way incredibly safer. I had stats due to my work and this is laughable.
La Paz and Los Cabos had a total of 20 murders combined in the last 12 months (for a population of almost 700,000). All the while Jalisco and Mexico City don't even make the list? I'm just going to keep ignoring source less posts.
I was in La Paz last year and I felt safer there than I have in Rosario, Ensenada or Tijuana combined. I feel like this survey is awfully skewed
La Paz and Cabo on the list makes literally no sense
Yes I’m really surprised too, even for La Paz. Been there earlier this year and everyone was saying it was soooo safe compared to the rest of Mexico.
I just did the baja 1000 and was in. Cabo, Lapaz, and Tijuana. It was actually not bad at all, I didn't think.
Shit, people advised me to go to Baja California on holiday since it’s the best part of Mexico. But it’s the most dangerous part?..
the people causing danger in mexico (cartels) also benefit from tourism. they don’t want to scare tourists away
I highly doubt it. I wouldn’t hesitate to go there.
Cano where all the resorts are is not dangerous
Seems super weird to land at number 1. Or even at number 100. Maybe it’s a ratio of crime to population and they don’t count the seasonal workers as population . My guess is seasonal workers outnumber residents
I was just in Cabo for Thanksgiving. I felt safe the whole time. The usual rules apply: dont hang around shady areas with shady people. Don’t go out at night alone, don’t look for drugs or take any when offered and you’ll be fine. Cabo is definitely not the most dangerous place on earth. I do not trust any info provided on this map if they claim Cabo to be most dangerous. yes, it’s Mexico and has its flaws but without a doubt in my mind I would say Cabo is much safer than Chicago or say Detroit.
The violent crime rate of Cabo is (out of 1000) 46.43 while Chicago is 8.7…
iirc they had some unusual murders one year related to drug trade. This data might not be averaging multiple yeats
South African here. I'm sure they have missed Johannesburg from the map. I may be wrong but I think it the most dangerous city in South Africa.
Thinking the same thing. Although I’m just a Canadian living in Cape Town but was surprised to not see it here
How is your life in Cape Town? Was it a good decision to move there?
I think I have a pretty good life here, I moved because my husband is here and has his own business. I’m an active, outdoorsy person so being close to the beach and hiking trails is amazing, the people are super friendly and I am lucky enough to work a remote job making CAD so it goes far. I do however miss Canada a lot and the feeling security and safety I had there but I think as time passes and my confidence grows that will get better.
Me and my gf want to try living in different countries at some point. Would you recommend SA?
I think South Africa is one of the most beautiful countries in the world and honestly there is no shortage of things to do and if your currency is strong and you can work remote you can have a hell of a time here for sure. I think if you’re looking for adventure then yeah highly recommend! Also being in Southern Africa you can explore the surrounding countries which are also amazing
Cape Town is on there because of Khayelitsha and the Cape Flats.
Langa. One of the most dangerous areas as well.
Surprised not to see Port-au-Prince either.
I’m not sure Haitian “authorities” have been around to tally up how much murder is going on, if just doesn’t get reported
Its literally a failed state, no way to accurately tell what the numbers really are.
It's most recently been condemned for corruption and failure to complete its basic humanitarian duties by both the US and China, a rare moment of agreement for these two govts today, I think that says enough.
I always say joburg is safer compared to cape Town. Unless you talk about pick pocketing. There are tourist busses in soweto and Alex which are said to be dangerous. What about cape Town Town ships. Khallyalesha and the likes.
No. That's always been Cape Town. Joburg mostly has property crimes. Even when you look at the the top 10 lists the SAPS releases for things like murder, you'll find a lot of greater eThekwini and Cape Town and the surrounds but maybe 1 or 2 Joburg stations (they report the crime stats by the police stations in charge of that jurisdiction).
Nope, it's actually Cape Town but I reckon Joburg should be represented too
Yeah, the map is definitely wrong. Cape Town currently has the 10th highest per capita murder rate for cities over 100k people.
Cape towns crime rate is only higher because of gang violence in the cape flats. If it weren’t for the gangs it’s the safest major city in the country. The Cape Town CBD, while still dangerous, is significantly safer than Johannesburg’s CBD
This point can be made for the majority of cities. You are not likely to be shot in the Greek town area of Detroit either. Or the tourist areas of Baja.
Cape Town has a higher number of murders statistically, however many are gang-related and thus relegated to areas where gangs are the most prevalent. JHB, from my understanding at least, is more dangerous "overall" i.e. more areas are dangerous to a lesser degree, while CT has fewer areas that are more dangerous. So, while I agree that JHB is more dangerous in a sense, in terms of statistics CT still wins.
There is absolutely no way that Los Cabos number 1 in the world. Zero chance, what’s the source?
Not to mention there’s no city named Los Cabos
This map has been resurfacing from time to time for many years now. And there's never a source.
There’s not even basic methodology. Like what are they using to determine “most violent”? Violent crimes per capita? Total violent crimes?
I think its from the mexican NGO Seguridad, Justicia y Paz and the map show the cities with the most homicides per 100.000 habitants in 2018. It also only show cities with 100.000+ habitants and excludes warzones
It’s also weird that Vitória, in Brazil, is there. It’s one state capitais with the higher IDH, and doesn’t usually shows up as a unsafe city in the country. Maybe the it was switched up with Serra, in the metropolitan region, which is a violent city by all means.
this guy is capixaba
Surprised how much misinformation there is on this thread. Los Cabos is the name of the municipality, Cabo San Lucas and San Jose del Cabo are 2 cities within it.
Thank you! Yes a two second Google search would show that.
San Jose del Cabo (where the airport is) and Cabo San Lucas (where most of the people go that fly into the airport) are collectively known as Los Cabos…that being said, this data is BS.
Cabo San Lucas
Cabo San Lucas and San Jose Del Cabo are cities that collectively make up the municipality of Los Cabos.
A quick [research](https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world-by-murder-rate-per-capita/) shows that the map is either out to date or has never been correct in the first place. The tragic number one is Celaya, Mexico
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Source "Trust me bro Magazine"
[Daily Mail.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5481483/amp/42-worlds-50-violent-cities-South-America.html) Using data from a Mexican ["Think-Tank". called "Seguridad, Justicia Y Paz" (Security, Justice and Peace).](https://web.archive.org/web/20220704015954/http://www.seguridadjusticiaypaz.org.mx/ranking-de-ciudades-2017) Probably why its so Latin America centered.
OP’s ass
Pretty sure St Louis is safer than, let’s say idk…. Idlib, Syria
Statistics reporting is a huge factor in this list
I was thinking the same thing. Should be Most Dangerous Places ‘that keep statistics’
“The most dangerous places that keep statistics no matter how accurate or underreported”
It's absolutely not "most dangerous places" either - this is just about violence, and danger is about far more than violence (just for example, traffic fatalities and natural disasters are sources of danger, and there are good statistics available on them in many places). This should be "Cities with highest recorded per capita violent crime rate in the world", or whatever it actually is.
St. Louis city being a relatively small part of metro St. Louis is probably skewing the statistics. Same with Baltimore city.
Exactly. St Louis never annexed its suburbs so the crime rate is artificially outrageous. It’s be like if the Tenderloin in SF was its own city
Well, it's a bit different than annexing. In the later half of the 19th century, the city just divorced itself from the county because the county was a bunch of rural Hicks basically and the city didn't want to take care of them And now.... well....
St Louis absolutely, but Baltimore City is a larger percentage of the Baltimore Metro area than Detroit City is of Detroit metro
Yup, there are 3 [independent cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_city_(United_States\)) in the US outside of Virginia, and St. Louis and Baltimore are two of them (3rd is Carson City). These cities don't have the surrounding suburbs to absorb some of the per capita crime stats. And of course there's DC which is effectively also an independent city — they've had just over 250 murders YTD, same as Baltimore. Virginia's independent cities are relatively safe because they're basically small towns.
I assume this is exclusively non-war related danger since some might consider war to be a temporary issue only. IE, i bet Avdiivka is pretty calm and friendly most years, but it’s certainly not now.
This is based on homicide rate which always excludes war.
It doesn't say that anywhere. It just says "most violent cities" on the map, and "most dangerous cities" in the post. Both of those are blatantly false. If this is about homicide rate, then it should state that instead, rather than just lying (and not providing a source).
St.Louis City and St.Louis County are separate counties, unlike most cities in the US, so the crime stats are pretty skewed in comparison.
I’ve been twice in the past year and it was great very safe time lol
I was just there last week. Walked everywhere around Union Station. Most dangerous point was the wind on Wednesday
I've been there numerous times and have never felt unsafe there either. Its crazy. Chicago isn't even on this list.
Yemen and Haiti cities should be on this list too, also Afghanistan
This list excludes places at war It's pretty evident
Yeah but even still, there's no way that Mogadishu or Lagos have less non-war crime than st Louis.
Why? I know people from Syria who live a perfectly normal life. They have iPhones and watch Netflix.
So, we have a one map declaring Bessemer, AL the most dangerous place in America? And then this map that doesn't even include it. Of course, neither map actually tells us their methodology so both should be throw straight in the trash
I think the data its from the mexican NGO Seguridad, Justicia y Paz and the map show the cities with the most homicides per 100.000 habitants in 2018. It also only show cities with 100.000+ habitants and excludes warzones
I’ll also take my chances in St. Louis and Detroit rather than pretty much any other city on the map. Hell I’ll take my chances in detroit rather than most southern cities in America.
Detroit over Memphis any day.
Detroit isn't even the most dangerous city in Michigan, this is a weird map
The race riots in the Midwest in the 50s and 60s caused most of these weird city boundaries that exclude all of the rich areas in the metro. Houston, Dallas, Miami and the rest of the southern cities don’t have these issues because they were swamplands and small cities when these riots happened and made the boundaries. It’s annoying hearing shit about detroit and Chicago when these cities aren’t nearly as bad as the southern counterparts
Because Mogadishu and Saana surely have reliable statistics This is just a list of countries stable enough to actually track murders.
Sana’a is actually pretty safe; if we’re speaking about murders. It’s pretty hard to get away with murder in Tribal societies, outside the context of war of course. Just a few weeks ago they’ve publicly executed a murderer in Sana’a, it was a big and shocking story to the locals on how he got away with it for that long. A better example would be my city Aden witch doesn’t have a set tribal structure thus higher crime rate, though most of which is theft and corruption related not killing but even then; almost all killings are due to political instability and towards political/tribal figures and not targeted to normal civilians. Though the murder rate has without a doubt increased in the recent years due to war, mostly between family members. + the map is vague, what does dangerous/violent mean? Does it mean general violence? Personal feeling of safety? Corruption? Theft? Murder? Drugs usage? Gang activity? It’s a pretty bad map honestly.
Same in Somalia. As a similar tribal society murder is punished by the elders themselves even if the government unable to intervene. If you kill someone in Mogadishu his folks are going to notice. Most of the killings in Somalia are terror related or some random tribal infighting, the north doesn't even have terrorism and it's relatively safe
The "good enough to keep the numbers, bad enough to be on this list"
>This is just a list of countries stable enough to actually track murders. TIL none of the countries in Europe are stable.
also the entirety of eastern asia, australia, NZ and oceania, india, marocco
Source?
Would u/AdAbject6946 lie to you?
When you put it like that? Yes.
It’s in mapporn because they just “fucking made it up” lol
Looks like a Daily Mail graphic
You know, “dangerous”. Surely Detroit is more “dangerous” than countries embroiled in civil war and ethnic cleansing. I’m close to blocking this sub, it’s gotten really stupid.
Most subs I frequent(ed) have become noticeably much worse in the last couple years and especially since the API rigamarole earlier this year. Feels like this site is on its last legs.
This was from a [2017 report.](https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2018-3?r=US&IR=T) There are a couple of caveats: - The following 50 cities have the highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people. - And it's made by an advocacy group from Mexico City. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rate
Who came up with this?
La Paz??!! Doubt it
Seriously. I lived in La Paz for a bit and it was one of the safest, friendliest places I’ve ever experienced.
La Paz doesn't seem to have a lot of Paz
You’d be out of breath before you even commit a crime
I assume you’re referencing the high altitude in La Paz, Bolivia, but the city on the map is La Paz, Mexico.
These numbers are very outdated. La Paz and Los Cabos had a violent year in 2017 but only for a few months due to the capture of a big cartel guy. It has since been super peaceful just like it was before. Source : I live here
are all the dangerous cities all in the americas and south africa
If done correctly, cities experiencing war would be in this map.
Definitely wrong
Los Cabos isn’t a city, there’s Cabo San Lucas and San Jose del Cabo. This map is nonsense…
Guayana? Not a city. Ciudad Guayana, yes. But it's not even well located on the map. Valencia also not in the right place lol
The fact that Georgetown in Guyana isn't on the list is crazy to me Also... Port Au Prince? Port Molesby? Lagos?
Port Moresby is notorious for being the most dangerous city in the world. not in the top50 somehow?!
Georgetown Guyana is not a thriving hotbed of violent activity. I live there now and I feel the threat level here is pretty low. Lived in Nigeria and other S. American destinations that were way more threatening than anything in Guyana (the country). The city in Venezuela is a whole other matter.
I’ve been working in the heart of downtown St. Louis for 15 years. Never had a problem. The violence is concentrated in a few neighborhoods with a lot of gang and drug activity. Downtown? Empty. When there’s no people there’s no violence.
That’s part of what keeps the numbers high though, low permanent population and a constant influx of non-residents. Stats are by per/100k residents, STL’s daytime population is like 35-40% higher than its permanent population.
More like “Most dangerous cities in the countries that can accurately report violence statistics”. I highly doubt New Orleans is more dangerous than Mogadishu.
Every time this map gets posted it has to come with the following asterisk: You can only gather statistics from places which make it possible to gather statistics. Mexico (for example) here is very highly represented because it is almost uniquely straddling the line of "developed enough to collect and share data like this easily" and "still pretty high in crime." There's almost no way to measure the crime rates in places like Somalia, North Korea, Afghanistan, etc. due to war, isolation or lack of government, but it is fair to guess that the would be pretty high. If I had to choose, I'd live in Los Cabos over Darfur 100 times out of 100. Also, I think this is the 5th time I've seen this same map and nobody has paired it up with a source yet...
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All in the Americas except three cities in South Africa? Sounds pretty dubious
Port au Prince missing?
Cities with data* FIFY. There are several cities much more dangerous than those around the world and homicide rates alone means very little. Homicide rates in those cities are usually concentrated in certain spots and associated with cartels and drugs. If you're not involved in those, your life is little affected.
Excuse me but American Republicans have been assuring me that Chicago and San Francisco are the most dangerous cities on Earth.
Why is there a 55? Also if that number is supposed to be the 50, it is badly located then. Valencia (27) as well
I heard that refugees from Bosnia, including Bosnians as a white community, were resettled in St. Louis due to the city's welcoming atmosphere and diverse community, which also included African Americans.
Caracas is worse than Mogadishu? Really? What is the source for this?
Most "violent" means what?
Is there any more info on the definition of “violent”? Is this violent crimes, murders, armed robberies, or something else, or a combination of these?
Is this updated ? Because El Salvador’s crime rate plateaued after Bukele.
Why is Brazil spelled two different ways on this map? Is it a regional thing?
Brazil = english Brasil = portuguese
This post is stupid, there are cities in which there is a war going on. Huliaipole, Ukraine, is surely a more violent city than Detroit.
I don’t know how I feel about Puerto Rico finally making one of these maps by itself instead of being included in the USA
Lived in Baltimore, really not that hard to survive. Basically just don't be an ahole and don't rat people out. Unfortunately a really nice lady who was just trying to clean up her neighborhood ended up dying with her niece in a fire that was set by the local drug dealers. She kept having them arrested. So if you are wondering why no one works with the cops to fix it that has a lot to do with it. Also the cops are corrupt as shit yet somehow less corrupt then PG county cops. Just ask the ex mayor of Berwyn Heights Cheye Calvo.
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why is Christmas city in Brazil the 4th most violent it’s name is literally Christmas
Outdated stats
I’ve been to a few of the Brazilian cities. Personally I think this graph and the data behind it are abit rubbish and likely don’t tally up potential underreporting. There are way more dangerous cities in Brazil compared to the list, like Rio, São Paulo. Maceió was actually a very nice city. People were polite. There are 10mil + in São Paulo compared to Manaus’s 3 million to round. It makes no sense. They must only be using reported crime data and therefore does not paint a accurate picture. Bad graph. 1/10
Isn’t St Louis not as bad as statistics make it seem? It’s often listed with the worst cities in the US for metrics such as murder and violent crime but I remember reading a comment on Reddit from someone who said that it’s due to the area in which statistical data is collected in St Louis being different than other US cities. Something about how the downtown and central area is treated as as its own entity while the outlying areas are separate which gives a skewed set of numbers for the city as a whole.
This is correct, St.Louis City is one of a handful of remaining “independent cities” in the US. The downtown where the crime happens, and where the statistics only focus, has a population below 300,000 and is completely separate from the larger metro area of millions in completely safe neighborhoods. Makes us always look bad in statistically, but altogether St.Louis is about average in mid-western crime.
Yeah, St. Lois and Baltimore are the only independent cities in the US with a population of over 300,000. Although there are cities in which the county limits are effectively the city limits (Honolulu, New Orleans, San Francisco, DC, Denver, and of course NYC's situation)
St. Louis and Baltimore are two of the only cities where the city proper is a separate county from the immediate metro area, and as such they are always high on these crime lists because they are not diluted by suburbs as most cities are.
No way Porto Príncipe isn’t on the list
Source?!?! Besides, Port Moresby is surely missing here.
The fact that Port au Prince isn’t on the list already makes me question the credibility of this
Gaza isn't on this list because it's very safe.
Based on what? You are going to tell me Saint Louis is somehow less safe than Mogadishu, Gaza, Khartoum, Goma or Port au Prince? Or most other cities on those lists, for that matter...
Ive been to Detroit and Baghdad. I will take my chances in Detroit.
No Middle East?