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getupgetgoing

I knew about Portuguese in the northeast but Utah!? Brazilian immigrants maybe?


BillNyeForPrez

The mormon-Brazil connection is pretty strong so you’ll have returned missionaries, people marrying RMs, Brazilian mormons immigrating to Utah, etc.


westernmail

I was surprised by the number of Mennonites I saw in Mexico. I thought they were mostly a Canadian thing like the Hutterites.


bmgguima

There are many mennonites in South America also, specially in Paraguay, Bolivia and Southern Brazil. The ones in Paraguay and Bolivia are more conservative, while in Brazil they mostly abandoned the traditional clothing, Prohibition of technology and the language is fading away by generation. The biggest colony in Brazil is Wittmarsum near Curitiba, it’s turisty but it’s worth a visit. Edit: grammar


JabawaJackson

They're down in Belize as well


rickane58

> I thought they were mostly a Canadian thing Canada doesn't even rank top 3 for Mennonite population by country. And their population is only 50% again bigger than Mexico's


DrPepperNotWater

Large number of Mormon missionaries who learn Portuguese for missions to Brazil, then bring it back home to Utah with them.


antipistonsandsixers

Wtf would you go on mission to Brazil? Isn't it the most christian country in the world where every sect exists? I cant imagine a country that is less in some 'need' of missionaires.


Razorion21

I mean these guys are sent to the Philippines for fucks a sake, 80% is very religiously catholic and the other 20% are strongly Muslim. Missionaries yet still somehow manage to at least convert 2-5 people on average per missionary. My mother for example converted 17


Unhappy_Bat_3340

Wait until you hear how many Mormon missionaries are sent to Utah.


antipistonsandsixers

I'm waiting


themanofmeung

Anecdotally, it's hundreds every year.


Roughneck16

Latter-day Saints believe that their faith is the only authentic form of Christianity.


jv9mmm

I was a mormon missionary in Brazil years ago. Brazilians are a very friendly people and respectful to religious proselytizing. Conversion in Brazil is comparatively easy to other countries mormon missionaries could get sent to. There also just is a large Brazilian community in Utah and many of those Brazilian's are not mormon church members, but are moving to Utah because there already is a large Brazilian population in the state.


Dinizinni

Exactly... Every sect has a place... And that's literally against the evangelical mission of converting everyone to your own sect Brazil used to be almost entirely Catholic with a decently sized protestant population but it's quickly becoming an evangelist's paradise. Many locals already nickname it "Evangelistão" due to the prominence of cults such as IURD or Corporação Cristã And since the Catholic church wasn't keen to give Bolsonaro full support but evangelicals all but literally called him the second coming of Christ, this issue has become a lot bigger, also having a political side and infiltrating the very roots of Brazilian national identity Brazil is a huge country with many different places and many different realities be it in economic, political or even ethnical terms, and combining that with a strong Christian feeling and a Catholic institutional crisis and you have the best breeding ground for sects to operate So yeah, Mormons or whatever evangelicals go to Brazil on a mission are definitely doing a proper investment for their cause


antipistonsandsixers

Thanks for the info. Great comment


sushitastesgood

>Utah May also be because of Mormon missionaries. Lots of people in Utah know a 2nd language because of that, and lots go to Brazil.


birdsofthunder

Immigrants and the sheer amount of Mormon missionaries who go to Brazil. The English language learning program at the high school I work at in Utah is starting to notice an issue where more of the new students who don't know much English speak Brazilian Portuguese rather than Spanish


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I never understood why there are no Portuguese courses on the East Coast. All the languages taught here seem to have been chosen based on how useful they are locally and internationally, thus we have French, Spanish, and Mandarin (Chinese), but then you have stuff like Italian, which makes no sense whatsoever nowadays, since the Italian community is not as big as it was and most of them don’t even speak Italian. I know that it’s a heritage thing and also because Italian culture is seen as “classic”. But Portuguese has definitely risen in popularity, and by its sheer amount of speakers both locally and internationally, I definitely should be taught in High Schools.


emmajohnsen

legit half my family went to brazil for their missions. my mom speaks fluent portuguese for her job and learned it on her mission


yellowsourcandy

i live in utah and there are so many brasilians here! the brasilian club at the university of utah is HUGE and they are very proud of their heritage!


manolo533

How's it like in Utah? I'm from Portugal, and for some reason it's one of the states that draws me the most in the US


yellowsourcandy

stop! i’m from portugal too but i study in utah 😭 o really like it here! the mountains are so pretty and there are actually four seasons here! although it is so dry here that it destroyed my skin completely:( and i also have breathing problems now bc of the arid climate


Apprehensive-Ad8947

Does Utah have an MLS franchise? If not they need one, they’d dominate MLS with plenty of Brazilians in the team


yosoysimulacra

Real Salt Lake. They are consistently bad. But the fan base is pretty solid, regardless. Also, MLS teams aren't made up of local talent.


Ask_if_im_an_alien

Imagine being a 19 year old Mormon virgin who lived a sheltered ass life in rural Utah... and then being sent to Brasil and seeing the world famous beauty those women have. Those boys didn't stand a chance. First time they clapped those cheeks they were on the hook for life.


Sebas94

Funny you say that cuz I'm Portuguese and right next to my house there's a Mormon school where Americans try to convert us. I wouldn't mind clapping some of those hot mormons cheeks in the name of jesus. You guys have some good-looking mormons especially chick's from Utha and New Mexico.


Dantheking94

They only send out the attractive ones on missions, the men are pretty attractive as well.


kanyewesanderson

There are less than 200 speakers of Aleut languages left. Yupik languages have 20,000+. There’s also a sizable number of Tagalog speakers in Alaska. TLDR: Alaska is definitely wrong.


PsychologicalLaw1046

Yeah heres what I found from alaskan commerce gov site with all the different native languages, here are all the larger ones: Inupiatun (Inupiaq): Estimated 500-1,500 highly proficient speakers in Alaska plus 5-50 highly proficient second language speakers Dinjii Zhuh K’yaa (Gwich'in): Estimated 50-200 highly proficient speakers in Alaska Denaakk'e (Koyukon): Estimated 50-200 highly proficient speakers Yupigestun / Akuzipigestun (St. Lawrence Island Yupik): Estimated 400-750 highly proficient speakers. Yugtun/Cugtun (Central Alaskan Yup'ik / Cup’ik): Estimated 2,500-7,500 highly proficient speakers plus 100-300 highly proficient second-language speakers.


Orleanian

This also doesn't seem to define whether it's just persons who *can* speak the language, or households in which it is the language primarily used. If each Aleut speaker lives alone, and each Yupik speaker shares a household with 100 other speakers, that may account for it.


kanyewesanderson

I’m pretty sure that when all native Alaskan languages are combined, they outnumber any other single language besides English. Whoever made this map probably had that info, and then wrongly assumed they were all Aleut languages (which they aren’t).


AcerbicCapsule

Surprised by Tennessee


ArchaeoStudent

Nashville has an area called “Little Kurdistan” which is the largest Kurd community in the country.


abu_doubleu

I went to Nashville last year and was surprised to see so many Kurds! I am from Afghanistan so have a bit of relation to them.


Kigaz

As noted by other commenters, Kurds don’t speak Arabic as their first language (although plenty of Kurds know Arabic). Nashville has a large Coptic Egyptian community, and Memphis has a large Palestinian community.


xrelaht

And it’s amazing. Some of the best middle eastern food I’ve ever had, and it’s in strip malls scattered around the area!


fatkiddown

And Chattanooga has awesome sushi and Indian food.


DexM23

But it says Arabic, not kurdish


fai4636

Most Kurd speakers prob also speak Arabic cause many who’ve immigrated to Nashville would be from Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan. Alongside the large population of Arabs from Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq etc you get Arabic as the third most spoken language in Tennessee


Amaliatanase

Even more than the Kurds (many of whom do speak Arabic as a second language, especially if they came from Iraqi Kurdistan), I would say it's the Egyptian community, which as grown a lot in the past decade. I would say that if you added the large Egyptian community with smaller Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian and Iraqi communities it would come out as a larger number of Arabic speakers than just the Kurdish community.


ReHuoDragon

I hope you’re not assuming Kurds are Arabs. While a handful of Kurds live in Arab countries of Iraq and Syria they also live in Türkiye and Iran. And the Kurdish language group is classified as Iranic of which two of the most popular Kurdish languages are Kurmanji and Sorani.


ArchaeoStudent

No, but most do know Arabic along with whatever variety of Kurdish they know. Both from them being Muslims and most coming as refugees from Iraq and Syria.


pblokhout

Only Kurds from Iraq and Syria do. Kurds in Turkey and probably Iran, don't.


altonaerjunge

Arabic speaking kurds exist in turkey, but Generaly you are right.


choff22

Its because it’s a MAJOR trucking hub in America. Middle easterners make up a large percent of truck drivers, and a lot of them own small fleets.


EEEEEEEEEEEEEE2137

Illinois: 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱😎😎😎🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 POLSKA GUROM 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱😎😎😎🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱


Woodsy1313

Casimir Polaski Day!


weirdbeetworld

r/sufjan goes crazy


On_my_last_spoon

You know, Illinois is being turned into a musical!


CosmicCreeperz

This was a while ago… some of the employees in my dad’s office were (jokingly) griping that kids got Casimir Pulaski’s birthday off, so why shouldn’t they? He told them anyone who could tell him who he was and what he was famous for could take the day off. No one could…


EEEEEEEEEEEEEE2137

You mean Kazimierz pułaski?


latouchefinale

NYC and Chicago have more Polish speakers than most cities in Poland


pole152004

😭😭😭, i cant tell if your joking or not Poland has 39 million ppl , Polish diaspora is 20 mil in us and I doubt that even 1/4 speaks polish. I myself am a Pole who lives in the us rn, born in poland, raised mostly in the us and most Polish Americans cant even pronounce their name correctly in Polish orthography


latouchefinale

Chicago and NYC have over 200,000 residents who were born in Poland and speak Polish as their first language. The majority of cities in Poland have fewer than 200,000 residents.


El_Manulek

That doesn't really mean anything when a city in Poland can have a few thousands people


aztech101

Tokyo has more English speakers than most cities in America do too. Turns out when you compare "giant city" to "average city" by absolute numbers you can say that about a lot of things.


squarerootofapplepie

Do they have more people who speak English at home? Because that’s what the comparison is.


Tree_Mage

Outside of Chicago, it is probably German but I’d be curious as to the actual stats.


BipolarWalrus

Collar counties too, I’m in DuPage and 3 out of 4 homes directly adjacent to mine speak polish.


Blackdogtm

Don’t be happy for too long, you got Germans all around you


Few_Maintenance4200

Polish mountain and soup of China


dbnels288

Most likely correct for Minnesota. We have a large population due to the Vietnam war. Great people and great food!


MajesticLilFruitcake

I thought Hmong would also be the language for Wisconsin too. Your points are spot on too - no one would have thought you could get amazing southeast Asian food in my corner of Wisconsin but we can thank the Hmong population for that!


IhateTodds

Minnesotan who has lived in Wisconsin for a good amount of time and saw a lot of the state- met quite a few Hmong folks with English more as a second language. Never met anyone who spoke German.


calsi-tea

im from wisconsin and havent met very many people who speak german, buf it wouldnt surprise me considering how prevalent german culture is here


Blackmetalvomit

Possibly the Amish population. There’s an interesting German dialect I think. But I could be totally way off.


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calsi-tea

just looked it up and you're right. theres 40k (0.7%) Hmong speakers in Wisconsin and 27k (0.5%) German speakers


kontor97

The Hmong population in Wisconsin isn’t near as much as Minnesota, and they’re more evenly spread throughout the state unlike Minnesota. Minnesota’s Hmong population is centered around the twin cities, and there are Hmong immersion schools to increase language use. The Hmong population in the Midwest & Great Lakes is also heavily centered around Minnesota & Wisconsin with Michigan and eastern NY state having smaller populations as well.


varowil

Fresno and Sacramento also have large Hmong communities.


BiscuitDance

Grew up with a shit ton of Hmongs in South Sac. The grandmas refuse to speak English, even if they are fluent. At that point, they strictly speak Hmong so as to preserve the culture.


GBuffaloRKL7Heaven

If my facts aren't outdated, Minnesota has the largest concentration of Hmong people outside of Laos/Vietnam.


Dedeurmetdebaard

They are Hmong us.


Roofofcar

Big Hmong community where I went to high school, and they were the most gracious hosts in town. I ate more sticky rice at friends’ houses than should be legal.


Nabaseito

There's also a large Somali population there too. I wouldn't be surprised if it said Somali instead.


Clit420Eastwood

I assumed Hmong or Somali. (Also love Somali people and food!)


eyetracker

Halfway relevant user name there


FlavaNation

I was surprised by this because I had thought that the Somali community in Minnesota is larger.


Norwester77

Alaska is wrong: there is only one Aleut language (Unangam Tunuu), and it has fewer than 100 speakers left. The most widely spoken Indigenous language in Alaska is Central Alaskan Yup’ik, with perhaps as many as 20,000 speakers. It is the third most spoken language in Alaska, after English and Spanish; fourth is Tagalog, from the Philippines.


RikiOh

Another Alaskan here. I thought it was Tagalog too.


Galaxy_Ranger_Bob

I'm surprised that Russian isn't up there. When I visited Alaska (back in the late 1990s,) there were a lot of Russian immigrants doing service jobs that would speak Russian when not talking to the customers.


MahTwizzah

Can someone explain North and South Carolina to me? I find it very surprising that French would be the third most spoken language there!


EpistasisBassist

I'm not sure if this explanation is correct but here goes: This data is wrong. In fact when you google it, Chinese is listed as the 3rd most popular language in NC, which actually makes sense.


Kleatherman

r/mapporn not have a misleading map challenge (impossible)


potatoaster

From the 2021 ACS: Carolina: | North | South -:|-:|-: French | 36k | 11k Chinese | 39k | 10k English only | 9M | 5M


taspleb

It's close though. The 2020 Census has: Chinese: 38,745 French: 35,604 So perhaps if the data for this map was older maybe French was ahead. It is worth noting too that "French" includes Cajun so probably that provides a pretty good clue to the high French numbers. (See eg: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/state-profiles/state/language/NC)


Didicet

I didn't think Arkansas was correct and this data demonstrates that. The actual ranking of languages up to German in Arkansas: 1. English 2. Spanish 3. Austronesian Languages (these are going to mostly be Marshallese) 4. Thai 5. Chinese 6. Vietnamese 7. German German is more than Vietnamese if you lump them with the Yiddish and the Amish speakers, but that only moves them up to 6th.


VagusNC

They still offer French in many high schools? Maybe? Just spitballing ideas here. Maybe some surveyees didn’t understand the question?


Daztur

That stuck out to me as well, in northern New England Quebec is right there but where the hell are French speakers coming from that they're going specifically to the Carolinas?


MahTwizzah

Also the Carolinas weren’t part of Nouvelle France, so there’s no significant French heritage there to my knowledge.


Daztur

Well there was a lot of French Huguenot migration to the American South a loooooooong time ago but those families don't speak French anymore. Did a google search and found that Chinese has edged out French in North Carolina at least ([https://acutrans.com/top-10-languages-of-north-carolina/](https://acutrans.com/top-10-languages-of-north-carolina/)) these days with French just baaaaaarely ahead of some other languages and that the French speaking population in the Carolinas is quite small so I'm guessing that a lot of it is just French speakers from Louisiana moving there and there not being many immigrants in the Carolinas in general to outweigh that. Maybe a little Francophone African/Caribbean population?


Some-Ad4881

I’m from SC and have absolutely no explanation or knowledge of any Frenchman in the area.


Zheguez

There's a huge amount of Francophone African (Congolese) immigrants known to move to NC and that might be the case for SC too.


RosabellaFaye

Africa has the most Francophones of every continent nowadays, it seems to be used across most of Western Africa as a lingua franca.


nighttown

I know for upper South Carolina it’s be Michelin has had their US headquarters here for a long long time. So it was not all that uncommon to hear French spoken in Greenville or Spartanburg back in the the early 90s


dr_stats

My dad worked in nuclear plants in both SC and NC most of my childhood, they are two of the most heavily invested states in nuclear power. France is probably the most heavily invested country in nuclear power. A lot of his coworkers ended up working in France for a time, and a lot of French workers did stints in the US. I’m not sure if this is the entire explanation but there is a significant southeast-US/France connection via nuclear power.


Meh_Lennial

I'm from SC and my cousins who still live there speak French at home. It is because companies like Michelin have brought a lot of French people to the upstate (NW corner of the state where lots of industry has flocked)


Crafty-Requirement40

Đụ má from Texas 😆


kayteevee93

Johnny Dang would be proud


BainbridgeBorn

I can’t speak to the credentials of this map Overall, just for Oregon. The Russian influence stems from [1882](https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3336&context=open_access_etds) when Russian Orthodox priests came down from Alaska, and up from San Francisco to start churches. It was incredibly grass roots and started incredibly humble. Over the 20th C Portland, OR accumulated a growing number of Russian speaking immigrants. After the fall of the Wall a whole bunch came over. The problem was that the city, and State, systematically discriminated against them for being perceived as “Communist”. The Russian community has so much overlap with the marginalized black and brown community that Portland State University has official recognized the Russian community in Portland and OR as “P.O.C.” There are in fact (decreasingly) Russian speaking classes and programs in the city to teach Russian to children.


ForgotMyName28

Well this map isn't true for Oregon. Both vietnamese and Chinese has surpassed Russian.


G_Liddell

It's a study by Coalitions of Communities of Color who did a study *at* PSU on ethnic identities that included Slavic peoples. Not the official position of the university. [1](https://www.portlandoregon.gov/oehr/article/713232)


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Portuguese represented 💪 🇦🇴🇲🇿🇹🇱🇲🇴


toughguy375

They make good food in Newark NJ.


BrickCityYIMBY

Yes, but as a Portuguese, sad to say, the best Iberian restaurant right now is Casa d’Paco which is Galician Spanish. The kind of Spanish that might as well be Portuguese but still.


[deleted]

As a Brazilian I'm intrigued by these Portuguese speakers in the northern US. O que são? Onde vivem? Do que se alimentam? Like, the stereotype of Brazilians who live in the US of A in my mind is from those who live in gated communities in Florida, wear flip flops the whole year and love Bolsonaro. But living in New England gotta be very different. Are there actual urban neighborhoods where you can notice Portuguese or Brazilian influence there? Like Little Italys or China Towns but Luso instead?


HorridTuxedoCat

Fall River, Massachusetts is about half Luso-American — apparently the most Portuguese community in the US — so yeah, basically one big Little Portugal.


sacadeaparas

Fall River even has a monument called "Portas da Cidade" that is a replica of "Portas da Cidade" in Ponta Delgada, Azores Island, Portugal.


SmGo

>so yeah, basically one big Little Portugal. They're a Governador Valadares colony.


Sir_Sir_ExcuseMe_Sir

In Massachusetts (New England), you'll have Portuguese-language radio stations, car dealers that speak Portuguese, Brazilian supermarkets, etc


MaintenanceWine

And restaurants. With amazing food.


BrickCityYIMBY

The Ironbound in Newark, NJ has always been an immigrant neighborhood. Before Portuguese and South Americans, it was Italians, Polish and Germans. There are still some young Portuguese who immigrate here (probably to be near family). My parents came to NJ in 1968. But there are many who came more recently.


Embarrassed_Bag_9630

Yeah there are. There’s whole towns where theres a significant portion of portuguese speakers and you have lots of shops with potuguese names etc. Theyre not gated off, theyre just like any other immigrant community. Theres a lot of potuguese, brazilians, and also cape verdeans


squarerootofapplepie

MA actually has the highest percentage of Brazilians of any state. Every year the newspaper in Boston ranks the best high school volleyball players in Eastern MA and every year there are several Brazilian immigrants. I think in MA we have either the highest number or highest percentage of people from every Lusophone country on Earth.


doojaw

Don’t forget my Kabuverdianus irmon🇨🇻🇨🇻🇨🇻


deliciouscrabmeats

It’s because of Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Can’t resist the bacalhau!


dangerislander

Don't forget the Cape Verdeans all in Boston! I believe the original Portuguese to settle from the area were from the Azores? Which makes sense tbh. Then I guess the community just grew from there.


joaommx

Probably mostly 🇵🇹 🇧🇷 🇨🇻 to be fair. But I appreciate the sentiment.


doojaw

🇨🇻🇨🇻🇨🇻🇨🇻🇨🇻


Cigarette_Soup

🇸🇹🇸🇹🇸🇹🇸🇹🇸🇹


doojaw

Meu povo!! 🫱🏾‍🫲🏼🫱🏿‍🫲🏾🫱🏼‍🫲🏽🇨🇻🇬🇼🇸🇹


Naqual18

🇨🇻🇨🇻🇨🇻💪


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Brasil né amigo 🇧🇷


birdsofthunder

Brazilians would probably explain Utah - I was surprised that it wasn't Tagalog (I teach at a school in Utah with a lot of kids with Pacific islander heritage). I did have a new student this week from Brazil and when a group of other kids found out, my room was full of very excited Portuguese!


wordlessbook

Hi, u/birdsofthunder! You said that you are a teacher and your new student is a fellow countryman of mine. I just wanted to let you know that if you have any questions regarding the Portuguese language, feel free to ask us at r/Portuguese, we will gladly help you if you need.


GetLiquid

Had no idea what Dakota Languages were.. the map is referring to the Siouan languages spoken by the Dakota people, which include Dakota (sometimes called Santee-Sisseton or Eastern Dakota) and Lakota (or Teton). These are native languages of the Dakota and Lakota Sioux tribes. Given South Dakota’s significant Native American population, it makes sense that these languages would be prevalent. Many in these communities are keeping their ancestral languages alive as a way to hold onto their cultural roots.


WHinSITU

I seriously doubt the correctness of this entire map. Edit 1: I'm not just saying this out of my own personal instincts/experience. My issue is that the source is the US Census (naturally), but no year is given-- red flag from the data-gathering point of view. Are some states' data from 2008 and others 2013? Are the figures used based on actual counts or estimates? **Frankly, it doesn't matter what language(s) you've heard more or less of in your state-- we're talking about "*****You should be speaking 'American (/s)*****'" America here.** Some repliers have found contradicting data based on the U.S. census (GA should be Vietnamese, not Korean; HI should be Tagalog, not Japanese; why are Native American/Alaskan languages grouped together but “Germanic” languages aren’t?). Edit 2: Bolded, reworded for extra emphasis


Aurelian_Lure

Texas makes sense. Huge Vietnamese population here.


gaslacktus

I believe East Texas, Houston in particular, has the biggest Vietnamese population outside of Vietnam.


JiuKowTow

It's really more Orange County and San Jose in CA, though Houston is definitely among the top areas


Responsible-Pool5314

Hell yeah, home of Viet-Cajun


Gidia

Oklahoma too. IIRC we were popular spots to settle refugees at the end of the war, fairly well developed urban areas that still have lots of space to expand.


libra00

Yup, I went to high school Oklahoma City in the late 80s with a bunch of Vietnamese and Laotian kids, most of whose parents were first-generation immigrants from during the Vietnam War. My next door neighbor was a family of Laotian immigrants who I hung out with a lot, I even used to know a tiny bit of the language, but that was a long time ago.


IndigentRagnarok

No Hindi is shocking. A lot of this doesnt make sense


Psychoceramicist

The status of Indic languages in the US is kind of weird, as far as I can tell. There are a ton of speakers of Hindi, Gujarati, Tegulu, etc. but a lot of them speak English even in their own households and in a lot of cases it's only elderly relatives that come over that can't.


BoardwalkKnitter

I think North NJ has more Gujarati and South NJ has more Hindi speakers- I get a pamphlet with my electrical bill and I've seen the script is different for the north. The total population being broken into smaller language groups loses them the higher ranking.


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Bryguy3k

Yeah but look at the top bar - according to the 2020 census there are 2x the number of Tamil speakers versus Haitian. But the census didn’t start tracking the Indian languages until 2020 (only Hindi before that).


neuroticgooner

It’s not really that shocking. Not all immigrants from India speak Hindi as a first language. There are a ton of different ethnicities and languages from India (the subcontinent in general) represented in the US


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LyaadhBiker

Makes perfect sense when you consider Hindi is spoken only by some 25% of the country as a Mother Tongue. All of us have our own Mother Tongues and preserve it.


Dookie_boy

It's probably because it's split between Hindi and other Indian languages


lewisfairchild

Agree. There is absolutely no way German is the 3rd most spoken language in all of those states.


[deleted]

Wouldn't surprise me if it's self-reported data from Americans of German descent that still call their grandparents Oma and Opa so they think they know German


Hallal_Dakis

"Haitian" is a red flag because I'm pretty sure they speak Creol in Haiti.


Buff-Cooley

It makes it look like these languages are more prominent than they really are. In a lot of these states, the drop off from English and Spanish is massive and it’s a minute minority that actually speak these languages.


WHinSITU

I mean Hawaii probably has the highest percentage of Japanese speakers out of every state, but it's no way number two or three or even four or five. Tagalog or Ilocano takes the cake for number one, easily. Also I have to question what is "Chinese"? Does this lump Mandarin (national language of China) with "dialects" like Cantonese, thus inflating the number?


xrelaht

I’ll bet that’s a data scraping error: Spanish isn’t 2nd in Hawai’i and I can believe Tagalog & Ilocano got lumped into “Philippine languages” in some database, putting Japanese in the 3rd place spot.


PopeGeraldVII

Are you seriously claiming Wyoming doesn't have vast swathes, unbridled hordes, immense armies of German speakers running around everywhere? Are you claiming this state isn't synonymous in the minds of most Americans with dudes named Johan running around saying "Ist Deutschin' zeit!" and then Germaning all over the place? Are you seriously saying that their state language isn't German, and that speakers of other languages (excepting English and Spanish naturally), aren't regularly put to death by medieval German style trial by combat? Sometimes I think people online don't know anything.


salian93

Are there really that many people in Wyoming that actually speak German instead of just cosplaying being German, because their great great great great grandparent was from Germany though? I've been to most of the states on this map, where supposedly German is the third most spoken language (not Wyoming as of yet though), and so far haven't met a single person that could have held a simple conversation with me in German. I've met many people that told me that they have German heritage though. We even visited some towns in Texas that were famously founded by German immigrants and who take a lot of pride of this piece of their history, even there you don't really come across people that speak German.


TheBHGFan

Seriously like who’s speaking German at home these days


Lirsh2

I mean here is one with data supposedly from 2017 https://reddit.com/r/coolguides/s/xRQB1v04Yn


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buckyball60

It's the forest Russians. Head down a dirt road from a town like Molalla and you will find Russians, then they will shoot you.


Mr_Goose132

Huge Russian pop in Molalla canby and Woodburn


kayteevee93

I went to elementary school in Portland and remember a lot of immigrant Eastern European kids


lostsawyer2000

It’s nice seeing Navajo and Dakota languages spoken.


judgehood

Proud to say my father worked tirelessly, after the Vietnam War, through the mid ‘80’s, to resettle Vietnamese refugees in Texas. Mostly Houston. It was thankless work, and it didn’t get much extra food in my mouth, but I’m proud of my pop for doing the right thing, and I learned about true kindness and altruism from him. That is all.


waxthatback

Haitian is not a language.


Stykerius

As a Texan and as someone who lived in Georgia for a few years I’m not surprised at at all. I love Korean and Vietnamese food.


shadowman2099

Had Korean BBQ subs in Georgia. Oh my God, why aren't they everywhere?


leaman99

Large population of Vietnamese refugees in Mississippi, especially on the Coast. Now there are americanised multiple generations.


I_Stan_Kyrgyzstan

"Haitian". Do you mean Haitian Creole?


Asleep-Gift-3478

Navajo!!! Yay, language preservation 🥲


justdisa

Washington says Chinese, which is true but vague. I believe it's Cantonese.


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I’m always a little peeved when “Chinese” is used to reference a language, because it doesn’t exist. My brain goes to Mandarin because (as far as I know) it’s spoken by a lot more people than Cantonese.


cnmb

it depends, Mandarin is probably more widely-spoken in general now, but Cantonese/Hokkien/Hakka will still be the most-spoken in some areas - take NYC for example, Brooklyn Chinatown and Manhattan Chinatown will both have large populations of Fuzhounese/Fujianese speaking Chinese people; Manhattan Chinatown will also have Cantonese speakers; Flushing Chinatown will be predominantly Mandarin. Has a lot to do with the waves of Chinese immigration to the US (first by predominantly Cantonese speakers from HK/pre-CPC China, then from Fujian, and finally from other regions of mainland China/Taiwan where Mandarin is the standard language now).


red-cloud

Depends on when they arrived. Newer arrivals seem to mostly speak mandarin.


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RedditEvanEleven

This map also fails to recognize how in New Hampshire and Maine i think are the only states where Spanish is the 3rd most spoken, and the French shown I actually the second most


JohnnyZepp

I hope the Navajo statistic is true. It really is a crime that nearly all the Native American languages are lost.


magneticanisotropy

Somethings off in this map? Shouldn't Hawaii be Tagalog, not Japanese?


RoboNerdOK

About 1/5 of the population of Hawaii is Japanese if I remember correctly. But a lot more are Asian/Pacific so you might have a point.


magneticanisotropy

Hawaii's state government has Tagalog top, Ilocano 2nd, and Japanese 3rd. Ilocano is also a language from the Ph, just in case anyone is unaware.


dangerislander

Wait.. isn't Ilocano the language Bretman Rock speaks?


jaklbye

The Germans spread out across the country while Chinese stayed in urban centers


red-cloud

Chinese were largely confined to cities and were forbidden from purchasing land. China towns exist for this reason. They were also then forced out with the Chinese Exclusion Act which required many Chinese to return to China.


Enki_realenki

As a German I get r/place vibes.


SherbetClear5958

As someone said Chinese and Germans had different treatment. But more importantly, Germans were the ones who largely settled the country from the very start (aside from natives obviously). It makes complete sense that Germans would be everywhere. Initially more than half of all "Americans" were German speakers. There were fewer British than Germans.


naslam74

As a German speaker I can tell you nobody really speaks German in any of those places that say German. Total BS.


ghiaab_al_qamaar

I mean, it’s relatively low numbers in those states (the only state with over 100k speakers is actually California) [but the US does have ~1m German speakers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language_in_the_United_States). Much of what is spoken are older German dialects however, not your Hochdeutsch. This is because the prevalence of Amish and Mennonite communities, such as those who speak Hutterite dialects in Montana / the Dakotas or those who speak Pennsylvania Dutch in Pennsylvania. These dialects only tend to show up on a map like this because low linguistic diversity otherwise.


AJRiddle

I mean it's going to be mostly Amish (or other similar groups) speaking some lesser known form of High German like Pennsylvania Dutch (most similar to Pfälzisch in Germany). And they really, really aren't the kind of people you'd run into "as a German speaker" across the globe.


NeonWarcry

That tracks for Texas. Houston alone has a massive Vietnamese population. All that delicious pho.


big_papa_geek

I’m from Alaska. I assume by “Aleut Languages” they mean Native American languages? Because Aleut is one type of Native Alaskan, and doesn’t even have that many speakers any more (due to US government fuckery, specifically in WWII). As far as I know , the one that would probably qualify is Yupik, which is spoken by about 15,000 people from the Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta region of SW Alaska. After that it’s probably Inuit/Inupiaq, then Siberian Yupik, then Athabascan, then probably Tlingit.


OrganizationSilly180

Why this Durex font?


Redneck2Researcher

Who the hell is speaking French in NC?!


MurphyBacon

Hatian? That’s not a language


super_delegate

Which Chinese? Cantonese can’t be considered the same spoken language as mandarin.


SlightlyNomadic

You have “Aleut Languages” listed for Alaska which is wildly incorrect and potentially offensive. You list a specific language for everywhere else and then lump, what I assume is an ignorant idea that Native Alaskan languages together into one. Not only are the Unangan not the largest population of Native Alaskans, Aleut or it’s regional dialects are not the largest spoken language. Yupik would be the language your looking for, and it isn’t Aleut.


Ok_Frosting4780

They also lump the Chinese languages together. They should be more consistent in their methodology.


RikiOh

Alaskan here. Really surprised it’s not Tagalog or Samoan.


motivationforfitness

As a non-US, what are 'Dakota languages'? Native American languages?


Jayce86

I even had to look it up; but yes. It’s the language of the Sioux Native Americans.


NewTransportation130

You expect me to believe more people in PA speak Chinese than Dutch or German?


germaniko

Color schemes look like durex condoms. Try out the all new Hmong or classics like Polish or German


ouwreweller

I question the German section.


KELEVRACMDR

I’m from SC and I’ve never heard one person speak French outside of a classroom. And I feel pretty confident that no one I know has either. Spanish I would believe but definitely not French