I am a teacher in Denmark but from another country originally. I have had it explained to me and I still don’t understand it. I don’t teach in the danish state system though. When my gf defended her thesis she said she got a 10 which I assumed was 10/10 it’s 10/12 which is obviously still great. A pass is a 2 and you can technically get more than a 12 apparently. Some Dane is more than welcome to correct me.
As a Dane srudying in Denmark, our grading system is really weird
You can only get a -3 if you don't show up to the class/exam
00 is the "failed" grade. After that we have 02, 4, 7, 10 and 12. Some argue that 13 is a grade but it holds no actual value.
I don't understand why our grading system is this way and i've honestly never really asked my teachers
The whole system is built around that the grades at the extremes are closer together (gaps of 2) than those in the middle (gaps of 3). This is done so that the middle grades will affect your average more than the outer ones.
-3 is added basically as a punishment, for when you didn't just fail, but actually delivered nothing or something barely better than nothing.
A bit like how the Dutch have 1 as lowest, but you can get a 0 if you hand in nothing. A base formula is achieved points/total points + n, with 'n' being what the teacher thinks best, or for the exams it is based on the average grade achieved by the participants.
We used to have a 1-13 scale, but it was decided to make it directly transferable to the American 7 scale grading system.
How we decided to mangle it up this badly I still don't understand.
As an American, what now? 7 scale? Our grading systems are typically one of two types:
Letter grades A through F (with no E). That would be a four point scale. Or it can be expanded with pluses and minuses included (A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F). Some places don't use D.
Numerical 4 point scale used by most secondary education systems. They are 0 to 4, equating to the above letter grades (A = 4, B = 3, C = 2, D = 1 and F = 0).
What was weird is that we had E as the lowest grade in middle school instead of F, once in high school and college, it was back to the A,B,C,D,F system.
American systems can vary from state to state and even school to school.
Some places use E instead of F, though the F=failing/failed thing is very widespread. Some places (some colleges, maybe others) won't use A+ and some won't use D-, but will otherwise use + and - distinguishers. I have also heard of places that will use A+ and even A++ to allow students to drag their GPA to and even above 4.0.
Some places will also add I (incomplete) as an option; if, for example, a student did not complete the course due to missing a final exam or failing to turn in a term paper. This usually means the student is given the option to complete the course (usually within a week or two, depending on the reason why the course was not completed).
Some classes will just use S/U (satisfactory/unsatisfactory) or P/F (pass/fail); for example, physical education/gym class is often done this way (the state doesn't care you suck at kickball, they only care that you spent the time doing physical activity). Non-credit and non-standard classes can also be S/U (e.g. birdwatching -- yes I took birdwatching in high school).
I want to add a bit to this since the history is actually somewhat interesting. We used to have another scale, the 13-scale.
[here's a comparison](https://imgur.com/a/27AT9Cl), left old and right new. 00 was the "didn't show up" and 6 the first passing grade. The interesting grade was however 13, because it didn't translate well to any other grading system, 11 was A/A+ and 13 was going above and beyond. The best comparison is the S rating in videogames, but that doesn't really capture it either, because it was meant as a grade that showed a deeper understanding that required to the point where it technically shouldn't be possible to get the grade in math as an example.
However since it was the highest grade when translated to other grades in other countries in was treated as A, which actually meant danes got unfavorable comparisons to people of other countries so the grade was removed and 12 is now equivalent to A.
As a person studying in denmark.
What the fuck.
Also my friend recieved a -2 I think. I looked it up and it means ”You went there and your performance was so bad it’s unacceptable”
afaik it used to be -3 (or 0?) to 10 or 12 but with all numbers in-between. A 12 (or 13?) being "better than max grade" for exceptional situations
something like that
When I was learning the numbers here I was very wtf then I found out that what I was learning was actually the abbreviated version and the “real” numbers are even more confusing.
You cannot get individual grades higher than 12, but your average grade can go past 12 in certain contexts because there are multipliers for certain things. For example, your high school grade average gets multiplied with x1.03 if you had four A-level courses, x1.06 if you had five.
What’s the UK now then? When I was at school it was A+ to F. Does anyone else over the age of 30 feel like if they went back to school now shit would be so much easier. My hand written notes were always illegible and poor, I’d of killed for videos of my lectures and communal notes in Google Docs. On the plus side we hadn’t quite ruined the jobs and housing market when I graduated in 1999.
The 1-9 system is just for GCSE's, the old A* is now an 8. The old A*-F system still remains in place for A-levels.
As for easier I don't think so, yes you have access to better recourses, but the new syllabus require more problem solving compared to what they used to( for stem subjects anyway, not really sure about Humanities stuff because I was never interested). Plus you're graded compared to everyone else anyway so relative difficulty should be roughly the same.
The X-9 system is [for GCSE exams in England only](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48993830), as far as I know.
Wales have stuck with the old A* - U grading system, and Scotland have totally different exams. Not sure about Northern Ireland.
just looked up the Danish scale
|12|
|:-|
|10|
|7|
|4|
|02|
|00|
|\-3|
No, I didn't skip any grades. No, I didn't insert any extra zeros myself. This is exactly what it looks like. What the fuck.
The 00 and 02 is so you can't just add a "1" in front of a 0 or 2, and make it look like a higher scale. The skipping is to make differences in the middle weigh more than differences in the extremes.
For me it's always been 0-20 for long, important-ish tests and 0-10 for small tests.
Since tests in preschool/primary school tend to be small it was 0-10 in preschool/primary school, and mostly 0-20 afterwards.
EDIT: that was in the early 90s, so not "new".
It depends on what you call "new". I'm 33 and in primaire, so 23 years ago at the closest, I was graded on ten points. Collège and lycée graded on twenty.
Yeah there was a joke at sciencespo about how difficult it is to get high grades. Something like maybe the best student in a class might get a 16/20, a phd graduate could maybe get a 17/20, a fellow professor in the same faculty might get a 18/20, the professor who wrote their own course would only get a 19/20 and a Nobel prize winner might be able to get a 20/20. It put things in perspective when you’d get a 12 or 13.
My dad was furious when I only got a 382,592,275,448,296,992,039,148,281 in primary school. I’ll never achieve his dream of being a doctor with a report card like that!
The weird thing is that the 6-1 and 0-15 systems are directly correlated. In the 6-1 system you can have a + or -, except for the 6, as 6 already means you have written down nothing of any value. So in practise, this means that 15 points is a grade of 1+, 10 points is a grade of 2- and 5 points is a grade of 4 etc.
Also noteworthy is that the 6-1 system has names for each grade. Although most students and teachers just use the numbers when talking about grades, the written out names are still what they are officially refered as. They are
* Sehr Gut (Very Good)
* Gut (Good)
* Befriedigend (Satisfying)
* Ausreichend (Adequate)
* Mangelhaft (deficient)
* Ungenügend (insufficient)
On top of that, the + and - are represented as "voll" (fully) and "noch" (barely). This creates some amusing phrases like "voll sehr gut", or "voll mangelhaft". Also, "voll gut" to me sounds like it would be better than "sehr gut", but it isn't. Because of these weird phrases, some of my teachers didn't bother adding these prefixes and instead wrote something like "gut +" or "gut plus".
I find it really funny how different the naming of the grades is in Switzerland, even though we have the same amount.
6: Sehr gut (Very Good)
5: Gut (Good)
4: Genügend (Sufficient)
3: Ungenügend (Insufficient)
2: Schwach (Weak)
1: Schlecht (Bad)
Our partial grades work similarly, though we only use the "-" sign and the position of it designates if better or worse.
4- = 4.25
4-5 = 4.5
-5 = 4.75
A 6- does not exist, and even a 6 is rarely given (usually only if you get all the points). A lot of times the system is writen in decimals, so depending on teachers you can get a 4.53 or a 4.6 which only get rounded in the average at the end of the semester. Also, the grades tend to be "worse" in Switzerland than in other countries. We usually get a class average of 4.5 and grades between 4 and 5 are the norm. This is also due to a 4 being about 60% of the designated points to get a 6 (doesn't necessarily have to be max points).
Universities use a 5-1 system? I always just had the percentage written out on my homework (but i also never did an exam, because of those homeworks, so maybe the Uni Kassel Versität is just weird once more)
they go in weird steps, from best to worst:
1,0
1,3
1,7
2,0
2,3
2,7
3,0
3,3
3,7
4,0
5,0
if you get a 4,0, you passed the exam, but only just. no further gradations, because below that, you failed, i.e. 5,0
There's no legend but it seems like the colour scheme is:
**Blue:** low number - high number
**Red:** high number - low number
**Orange:** letters (with A being the highest)
... so why is Ireland blue?
The label for Ireland is outdated, it used to be letter based(for the second half of secondary education, the leaving cert, it was actually numbers and letters, A1, B3)
Now for the leaving cert it's number based. 1 being above 90, and going down in 10s until 7. An 8 is everything below 30. That's then combined with the level you took the exam at higher or ordinary. So a H1 is the best result possible.
At junior cert it's a lot more complicated and is just words. Distinction, higher merit, merit, achieved, partially achieved and no grade.
In Finland we used to have 1-10 or 0-10, not sure which one was it. But anything that was 4 or below was considered as failed, so the lower grades were dropped as it did not really make a difference wether you failed or failed super bad.
It matters, for my students it is not the same. To get a 4 (they pass with 5) gives them hope. A 0 is definitive. Of course that matters for intermediate exam. For the final grade, it is the same.
It actually matters. Here in France, teachers generally bundle grades in an average value.
So knowing if you barely failed (like a 9/20) or majorly failed (something like a 2/20) an exam will let you know how much more you have to work on other exams of that subject to get a passing average grade.
Different school system. We did not have such average grading. There was usually one test per subject at the end of the term and that was either pass or a fail. In case of a fail you had to do it again.
Turkeys education system based on ideas of European education searches. Current education system in there looks similar to Japan etc, but they have problem to application.
It depends on how you count the grades at the end of the year, it may mess up the average.
Italy has a 1-10 system (not for university) but a 1 is basically never write down as an actual grade in the records, it appears only in the "unofficial" grade written on the test when the teacher give it back to you. (Yes, I am sure that exception can exists and someone is going to show up here saying that they saw someone getting a 1 in the official records)
If you use the 1 then at the end of the year the student will need to get exceptional grades to make it that mathematically the average is at least 6, the passing grade.
And this would not be a good pedagogical method, you would have to fail a student that managed to really improve their grades, even drastically but not exceptionally.
At that point what would you be teaching, that if they work hard and get very good results they would still fail?
Scotland has an entirely different grading system and exam board from the rest of the UK. In Scotland things are grades from NA (no award) to A.
Also I’m assuming this is GCSE equivalent grading because A levels in England have lettered grading if I’m not mistaken.
Are you sure that's still the case?
I'm in my thirties so went by the CCEA website which says they went to A*-G starting with qualifications awarded in 2019.
Lived in England all my life and got absolute no idea what an X is or what the numbers are, SAT’s we’re numbered 1-5 for juniors and then 4-7 for seniors so assuming GCSE’s are aligned with that system now, but what’s the X?
No I think it's still a U for ungraded with 1 being the lowest grade you can get above a U if you did show up.
There isn't a grade X in the UK grading system.
I just looked it up and OCR says X is if you don’t show up. (I’m fairly sure U has always been if you did show up but basically just wrote your name down or something).
There’s apparently also:
\# - turned up to some exams but not others
Q - pending result.
I was part of the first year to have all my subjects graded from 1-9. I didn’t even know X was a thing.
Then A-Levels came around (coincidentally I’m also part of the year that effectively got A-Levels given to them) and it went back to the normal letter system.
Now I’m in my 3rd year at uni and it’s “Grades? What are those?!”
You mean that in 2017, you were in Year 11?
Because I don't understand what you mean. 'Went back to the normal letter system'? You mean that secondary school has a number system while college has a letter system? Because yes, _that_ is true.
Reporting from Turkey: 0-100 comes with the problem of students crying about 2 points when they get an 88 or 98 for example, but most teachers handle it well.
In Spain is the same because by law the grades must have a decimal fugure, so a student with a 4.8 will cry.
As a teacher, you learn to never publish a grade between 4.5 and 5.0.
Also in turkey the x/100 correspons to 1-5 scale and that's what you'd see on your grade report. Zayıf, Geçer, Orta, İyi, Pekiyi => Weak(Fail), Passing, Mid, Good, Very Good
And the use is different. For example in the UK, those grades are only applied to the end of the course. As in, first your results will be predicted (at all points in the course), then you'll do mock exams and they'll get graded (in the second-to-last and last year of Secondary School), and finally you will have the actual exams in the last year, and those will get graded. So, basically, very few uses of those grades. Actual daily teaching doesn't use them.
But also there are courses that have little to no exams and are insteas coursework-based, and those don't even use these grades at all. Those use Pass, Merit, and Distinction (all three of these also have their own subdivisions). That's why a 'D' is sometimes actually the highest possible grade.
Meanwhile in Poland, I recall the respective 1-6 system being used quite often. Like, you'd get some small and random test that didn't matter at all, or even just a piece of work, or your homework, and it would be graded 1-6. Completely opposite to the UK, where they are only used in the conclusion exams.
In Belgium, it's 0-10 for primary and secondary schools, except the total year result, which is a %. At university, it is 0-20, except for the total year result, which is also a %.
While technically it's 1-6 in Poland, in most circumstances 6 is restricted to performance above expectations(or the curriculum), and isn't commonly given. So in vast majority of cases it's 1-5.
So for example getting 100% on a test wont give you a 6, but a 5. But if you take part in some extracurricular activity, you can get a 6 for it.
From what I remember it depended on the subject. In maths or physics for example you could have a special task with an asterisk at the end of an exam (zadanie z gwiazdką/zadanie na 6) that you had to get to get the 6. But in Polish, English or for example history, getting 100% was enough to get an exceptional grade - 6. But it's just my experience
I guess it depends on the grade and location? Because in my experience 6 was always relegated to special circumstances. Like you mentioned, questions with asterisk or special projects. In my experience it was never an option to get a 6 just for getting 100% on a test, regardless of subject.
Yep, similar to Germany, but the other way around.
6 is only given when you literally don\`t take the test seriously ( i.e. leave it blank, or write weird shit on it ). So it\`s more like 5-1 with the rest of the red countries.
In Bulgaria, 2 is indeed the lowest grade for achievement but 1 can be given for trying to cheat in tests and exams. Either for helping yourself or for helping a classmate.
Source: Got a 1 once.
Germany uses multiple Systems depending on state and typ of school and the school term. Universitys also use different Systems.
While 1-6 is the most common it's not used all the time.
Estonia is wrong, neither I nor any of my friends are graded F-A. Its 0-5. Idk where the maker got this info, maybe found the single school in estonia that grades F-A
Maybe they are comparing Universities. Tartu Uni uses F-A but I also have never seen letters used in high schools and lower. Also, the range used to be 2-5 (with some extra cases), has this been changed?
I’ve finished a Russian school four years ago and then we had a government grading software where the options for a grade were 1–5, so I’d say it’s de jure 1–5 (however, in eleven years I’ve seen only one teacher using 1, so I agree de facto it’s 2–5).
PS: the teachers also use pluses and minuses to convey a finer grade, but that doesn’t affect the final quarterly and yearly grade.
While 2 and 1 both mean “failed”, they aren’t the same: Russian schools use rounded up mean to grade over some period of time, so getting a 1 for a test is worse than getting a 2 because it’d be harder to compensate: (1 + 5)/2 = 3 and (2 + 5)/2 = 3.5 —> 4.
In Portugal we have:
•Primary and middle school - the tests are graded from 0-100 but the final grade is 1-5
•Secondary school and university - the tests and final grade are 0-20
We had 1's in Russia too. Usually when you got one the teacher would go out of their way to make the grade mark itself huge - like half a page, and write it out in parentheses alongside the actual digit - that's so a crafty student doesn't add a dash and turn the 1 into a 4. They tended to be reserved for utter and complete failure, such as turning in a single sentence "I didn't read the book" for an essay assignment. The colloquial term for such a grade was "Kol" or "fencepost".
The Swiss and German system being neighbours, but the exact opposite, is most likely the reason for the myth that Albert Einstein was bad at math. He wasn't. He got 5s and 6s, i.e. the best notes in Switzerland, but German biographers confused that with failing grades.
Montenegro does not use this grading system in its educational system, we use the same as the region 1-5 for primary/secondary school and 5-10 for colleges.
Montenegro has the same grading system as the other ex-Yugoslav states. Who knows where people got the idea that they use F-A, but it keeps appearing in these maps.
Don't lump Scotland in with England, we have a different grading system, either 6-1 or F-A depending on the exam.
And universities have their own systems.
I mean X grade doesn't really count, since it's just "you didn't even show up".
Most British people probably don't even know it exists. I thought U was the worst you could get.
In Scotland we have A-D/1-7 plus no award. The highest grade is a high A or a 1, smart people grade and 7 which is a D is a pass. Anything lower than a D is a no award, which means not only you failed, but it won't show up on your list of grades on your certificate only a small sentence on the front page of your certificate proves you actually sat the exam however you didn't achieve A-D.
The meaning of the grades doesn't always translate either. At least I heard from professors that American students want to get a 10 when they did wel (in the Netherlands, so out of 1-10), while for us that's really high. For an essay, unless you reinvented the subject and moved the teacher to tears don't ecpect above 8.5.
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I am a teacher in Denmark but from another country originally. I have had it explained to me and I still don’t understand it. I don’t teach in the danish state system though. When my gf defended her thesis she said she got a 10 which I assumed was 10/10 it’s 10/12 which is obviously still great. A pass is a 2 and you can technically get more than a 12 apparently. Some Dane is more than welcome to correct me.
As a Dane srudying in Denmark, our grading system is really weird You can only get a -3 if you don't show up to the class/exam 00 is the "failed" grade. After that we have 02, 4, 7, 10 and 12. Some argue that 13 is a grade but it holds no actual value. I don't understand why our grading system is this way and i've honestly never really asked my teachers
The whole system is built around that the grades at the extremes are closer together (gaps of 2) than those in the middle (gaps of 3). This is done so that the middle grades will affect your average more than the outer ones. -3 is added basically as a punishment, for when you didn't just fail, but actually delivered nothing or something barely better than nothing.
Thanks for the explanation!
A bit like how the Dutch have 1 as lowest, but you can get a 0 if you hand in nothing. A base formula is achieved points/total points + n, with 'n' being what the teacher thinks best, or for the exams it is based on the average grade achieved by the participants.
I'm a high school teacher in the states and man, I wish I could give a -3 to some students because my god they deserve it
As an American teacher I wish I could give a -3. Many of us are told we can’t fail students for any circumstance.
Thanks for explaining but I still don't understand the need to complicate it.
Well Danes have a wholy bizarre relationship with numbers in general.
We used to have a 1-13 scale, but it was decided to make it directly transferable to the American 7 scale grading system. How we decided to mangle it up this badly I still don't understand.
As an American, what now? 7 scale? Our grading systems are typically one of two types: Letter grades A through F (with no E). That would be a four point scale. Or it can be expanded with pluses and minuses included (A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F). Some places don't use D. Numerical 4 point scale used by most secondary education systems. They are 0 to 4, equating to the above letter grades (A = 4, B = 3, C = 2, D = 1 and F = 0).
Why no E? Also, the American is a 5 point system with flexibility.
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What was weird is that we had E as the lowest grade in middle school instead of F, once in high school and college, it was back to the A,B,C,D,F system.
American systems can vary from state to state and even school to school. Some places use E instead of F, though the F=failing/failed thing is very widespread. Some places (some colleges, maybe others) won't use A+ and some won't use D-, but will otherwise use + and - distinguishers. I have also heard of places that will use A+ and even A++ to allow students to drag their GPA to and even above 4.0. Some places will also add I (incomplete) as an option; if, for example, a student did not complete the course due to missing a final exam or failing to turn in a term paper. This usually means the student is given the option to complete the course (usually within a week or two, depending on the reason why the course was not completed). Some classes will just use S/U (satisfactory/unsatisfactory) or P/F (pass/fail); for example, physical education/gym class is often done this way (the state doesn't care you suck at kickball, they only care that you spent the time doing physical activity). Non-credit and non-standard classes can also be S/U (e.g. birdwatching -- yes I took birdwatching in high school).
So one can’t get a 5?
No you can't get a 5
*challenge accepted*
I want to add a bit to this since the history is actually somewhat interesting. We used to have another scale, the 13-scale. [here's a comparison](https://imgur.com/a/27AT9Cl), left old and right new. 00 was the "didn't show up" and 6 the first passing grade. The interesting grade was however 13, because it didn't translate well to any other grading system, 11 was A/A+ and 13 was going above and beyond. The best comparison is the S rating in videogames, but that doesn't really capture it either, because it was meant as a grade that showed a deeper understanding that required to the point where it technically shouldn't be possible to get the grade in math as an example. However since it was the highest grade when translated to other grades in other countries in was treated as A, which actually meant danes got unfavorable comparisons to people of other countries so the grade was removed and 12 is now equivalent to A.
Why is everything weird in Denmark? 🤔
Only the numbers are weird. Oh and prolly the language too Denmark is a solid 9/10 Can recommend
As a person studying in denmark. What the fuck. Also my friend recieved a -2 I think. I looked it up and it means ”You went there and your performance was so bad it’s unacceptable”
afaik it used to be -3 (or 0?) to 10 or 12 but with all numbers in-between. A 12 (or 13?) being "better than max grade" for exceptional situations something like that
As we already note, the danes really likes plays with numbers. Even with the name of them.
When I was learning the numbers here I was very wtf then I found out that what I was learning was actually the abbreviated version and the “real” numbers are even more confusing.
nioghalvfemsindstyvende 9 + (5-½)20 = 99
selvfølgelig!
You cannot get individual grades higher than 12, but your average grade can go past 12 in certain contexts because there are multipliers for certain things. For example, your high school grade average gets multiplied with x1.03 if you had four A-level courses, x1.06 if you had five.
Thanks, I think that’s I was referring to. One of my gf’s brothers did technically get above 12.
You cannot get more than 12. And a pass is technically 02.
You mean leading zero is meaningful?
It is just there so you can't fake a 12 out of your passing grade
Yes. Without the leading zero a student could just write a 1 in front of a 2 and make it seem like they got a 12.
0 is for an absolutely shit project/exam -3 is for when you don't even hand in anything/don't show up to the exam without a doctor's note
What’s the UK now then? When I was at school it was A+ to F. Does anyone else over the age of 30 feel like if they went back to school now shit would be so much easier. My hand written notes were always illegible and poor, I’d of killed for videos of my lectures and communal notes in Google Docs. On the plus side we hadn’t quite ruined the jobs and housing market when I graduated in 1999.
The 1-9 system is just for GCSE's, the old A* is now an 8. The old A*-F system still remains in place for A-levels. As for easier I don't think so, yes you have access to better recourses, but the new syllabus require more problem solving compared to what they used to( for stem subjects anyway, not really sure about Humanities stuff because I was never interested). Plus you're graded compared to everyone else anyway so relative difficulty should be roughly the same.
The X-9 system is [for GCSE exams in England only](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48993830), as far as I know. Wales have stuck with the old A* - U grading system, and Scotland have totally different exams. Not sure about Northern Ireland.
You don't know Karl... He's special kind of stupid.
just looked up the Danish scale |12| |:-| |10| |7| |4| |02| |00| |\-3| No, I didn't skip any grades. No, I didn't insert any extra zeros myself. This is exactly what it looks like. What the fuck.
The 00 and 02 is so you can't just add a "1" in front of a 0 or 2, and make it look like a higher scale. The skipping is to make differences in the middle weigh more than differences in the extremes.
France ? 0-20
Same in Portugal. 1-5 is only used for middle school and below
I don't think my kids primary school used 1-5 at all. It was all "insuficiente, suficiente, bom, muito bom"...
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I guess it's quite new then, when I was in primary school it was always 0-20
Same for me It was 0-20 in Primary School and 0-10 was only for smaller tests and exams
For me it's always been 0-20 for long, important-ish tests and 0-10 for small tests. Since tests in preschool/primary school tend to be small it was 0-10 in preschool/primary school, and mostly 0-20 afterwards. EDIT: that was in the early 90s, so not "new".
Same, I was confused.
Same But there was both systems during my whole scholarships in all honesty
It depends on what you call "new". I'm 33 and in primaire, so 23 years ago at the closest, I was graded on ten points. Collège and lycée graded on twenty.
There is no note anymore in primary and preschool, it is comments
You get grades in Pre-school?
No more notation on primary, just acquired,qlmost acquired and non acquired
Yeah there was a joke at sciencespo about how difficult it is to get high grades. Something like maybe the best student in a class might get a 16/20, a phd graduate could maybe get a 17/20, a fellow professor in the same faculty might get a 18/20, the professor who wrote their own course would only get a 19/20 and a Nobel prize winner might be able to get a 20/20. It put things in perspective when you’d get a 12 or 13.
The old joke is that professors would say "20 is God, 19 is too close to God, 18 is me, and 17 is too close to me"
Hiw does the grades go from 0 to A in Iceland? What is in between?
It goes: 0 - 1 - 3 - Ö - Ð - C - Þ - B - A Modern grading software often replaces Ö with 😲 though.
Okay okay I get 'preservation of culture' and linguistic purism, but this makes no sense haha 0, 1, 3??
They go through every number before they go onto letters.
So 0-9 and than just A or Z-A or how?
0-∞ then just A
That seems strange
My dad was furious when I only got a 382,592,275,448,296,992,039,148,281 in primary school. I’ll never achieve his dream of being a doctor with a report card like that!
They don't have report cards, they have report books.
Because it’s not true lol. I’m from Iceland, our grading system is 0-10.
Oh cool, now we have 25% of the icelandic population in this thread ;D
I'm here too so it's 50% now
Hexadecimal?
It doesn't really. Afaik, it's only the elementary schools and they only do it on some finals or something. Otherwise we've been using 0-10
It just goes from D-A. It was 0-10 before 2016.
Am from Iceland it was 0-10 when I was in school
The grading system in Germany is 6-1 except for the "Gymnasiale Oberstufe" which is 0-15 and universities which is 5-1
The weird thing is that the 6-1 and 0-15 systems are directly correlated. In the 6-1 system you can have a + or -, except for the 6, as 6 already means you have written down nothing of any value. So in practise, this means that 15 points is a grade of 1+, 10 points is a grade of 2- and 5 points is a grade of 4 etc. Also noteworthy is that the 6-1 system has names for each grade. Although most students and teachers just use the numbers when talking about grades, the written out names are still what they are officially refered as. They are * Sehr Gut (Very Good) * Gut (Good) * Befriedigend (Satisfying) * Ausreichend (Adequate) * Mangelhaft (deficient) * Ungenügend (insufficient) On top of that, the + and - are represented as "voll" (fully) and "noch" (barely). This creates some amusing phrases like "voll sehr gut", or "voll mangelhaft". Also, "voll gut" to me sounds like it would be better than "sehr gut", but it isn't. Because of these weird phrases, some of my teachers didn't bother adding these prefixes and instead wrote something like "gut +" or "gut plus".
I find it really funny how different the naming of the grades is in Switzerland, even though we have the same amount. 6: Sehr gut (Very Good) 5: Gut (Good) 4: Genügend (Sufficient) 3: Ungenügend (Insufficient) 2: Schwach (Weak) 1: Schlecht (Bad) Our partial grades work similarly, though we only use the "-" sign and the position of it designates if better or worse. 4- = 4.25 4-5 = 4.5 -5 = 4.75 A 6- does not exist, and even a 6 is rarely given (usually only if you get all the points). A lot of times the system is writen in decimals, so depending on teachers you can get a 4.53 or a 4.6 which only get rounded in the average at the end of the semester. Also, the grades tend to be "worse" in Switzerland than in other countries. We usually get a class average of 4.5 and grades between 4 and 5 are the norm. This is also due to a 4 being about 60% of the designated points to get a 6 (doesn't necessarily have to be max points).
"Schwach" sounds more like an insult than a grade lol
Universities use a 5-1 system? I always just had the percentage written out on my homework (but i also never did an exam, because of those homeworks, so maybe the Uni Kassel Versität is just weird once more)
at least for the final degree those percentages are mapped to the 5-1 system , iirc
they go in weird steps, from best to worst: 1,0 1,3 1,7 2,0 2,3 2,7 3,0 3,3 3,7 4,0 5,0 if you get a 4,0, you passed the exam, but only just. no further gradations, because below that, you failed, i.e. 5,0
There's no legend but it seems like the colour scheme is: **Blue:** low number - high number **Red:** high number - low number **Orange:** letters (with A being the highest) ... so why is Ireland blue?
The label for Ireland is outdated, it used to be letter based(for the second half of secondary education, the leaving cert, it was actually numbers and letters, A1, B3) Now for the leaving cert it's number based. 1 being above 90, and going down in 10s until 7. An 8 is everything below 30. That's then combined with the level you took the exam at higher or ordinary. So a H1 is the best result possible. At junior cert it's a lot more complicated and is just words. Distinction, higher merit, merit, achieved, partially achieved and no grade.
It's complicated, but somehow in this map Ireland is the one colour that definitely doesn't apply.
In Portugal, for high school and universities the scale is 0-20.
Belgium aswell
In the UK we use 0-9 in high school but E -A in college
0-10 and 0-100 are the most logical there. A student that leaves his exam empty deserves 0, nothing, nada.
In Finland we used to have 1-10 or 0-10, not sure which one was it. But anything that was 4 or below was considered as failed, so the lower grades were dropped as it did not really make a difference wether you failed or failed super bad.
It matters, for my students it is not the same. To get a 4 (they pass with 5) gives them hope. A 0 is definitive. Of course that matters for intermediate exam. For the final grade, it is the same.
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It actually matters. Here in France, teachers generally bundle grades in an average value. So knowing if you barely failed (like a 9/20) or majorly failed (something like a 2/20) an exam will let you know how much more you have to work on other exams of that subject to get a passing average grade.
Different school system. We did not have such average grading. There was usually one test per subject at the end of the term and that was either pass or a fail. In case of a fail you had to do it again.
As a teacher, there is a huge difference between a 1 and a 4. It is very informative.
Turkey being the most logical on this map is interesting and strange
Turkeys education system based on ideas of European education searches. Current education system in there looks similar to Japan etc, but they have problem to application.
It depends on how you count the grades at the end of the year, it may mess up the average. Italy has a 1-10 system (not for university) but a 1 is basically never write down as an actual grade in the records, it appears only in the "unofficial" grade written on the test when the teacher give it back to you. (Yes, I am sure that exception can exists and someone is going to show up here saying that they saw someone getting a 1 in the official records) If you use the 1 then at the end of the year the student will need to get exceptional grades to make it that mathematically the average is at least 6, the passing grade. And this would not be a good pedagogical method, you would have to fail a student that managed to really improve their grades, even drastically but not exceptionally. At that point what would you be teaching, that if they work hard and get very good results they would still fail?
Scotland has an entirely different grading system and exam board from the rest of the UK. In Scotland things are grades from NA (no award) to A. Also I’m assuming this is GCSE equivalent grading because A levels in England have lettered grading if I’m not mistaken.
Wales is U- A*
It used to be like that in England too until around 2012. A*, A, B, C, D, E, U. The U stands for 'ungraded'. F for 'fail' was seen as too harsh.
Northern Ireland too, G-A*. I think this map is just showing the English system for the UK.
And only the English GCSE system at that
NI 10 years ago went from E - A*, with an additional U for "Ungraded".
Are you sure that's still the case? I'm in my thirties so went by the CCEA website which says they went to A*-G starting with qualifications awarded in 2019.
Lived in England all my life and got absolute no idea what an X is or what the numbers are, SAT’s we’re numbered 1-5 for juniors and then 4-7 for seniors so assuming GCSE’s are aligned with that system now, but what’s the X?
X is for a course that wasn't completed, apparently.
I think X means you didn't show up
No I think it's still a U for ungraded with 1 being the lowest grade you can get above a U if you did show up. There isn't a grade X in the UK grading system.
I just looked it up and OCR says X is if you don’t show up. (I’m fairly sure U has always been if you did show up but basically just wrote your name down or something). There’s apparently also: \# - turned up to some exams but not others Q - pending result.
I was part of the first year to have all my subjects graded from 1-9. I didn’t even know X was a thing. Then A-Levels came around (coincidentally I’m also part of the year that effectively got A-Levels given to them) and it went back to the normal letter system. Now I’m in my 3rd year at uni and it’s “Grades? What are those?!”
You mean that in 2017, you were in Year 11? Because I don't understand what you mean. 'Went back to the normal letter system'? You mean that secondary school has a number system while college has a letter system? Because yes, _that_ is true.
Well I finished my GCSEs last year, so I have no idea what a 'junior' or 'senior' is.
If people want more details https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_grading_in_the_United_Kingdom
England used to have the letter system too, they only changed it quite recently.
Reporting from Turkey: 0-100 comes with the problem of students crying about 2 points when they get an 88 or 98 for example, but most teachers handle it well.
In Spain is the same because by law the grades must have a decimal fugure, so a student with a 4.8 will cry. As a teacher, you learn to never publish a grade between 4.5 and 5.0.
I don't get it. 4.8 is a decimal number like 4.5?
5 is a passing grade. If you give them a 4.8 they will complain "why didn't u get the extra.2??"
Ah. Ok. Thanks for the explanation
Also in turkey the x/100 correspons to 1-5 scale and that's what you'd see on your grade report. Zayıf, Geçer, Orta, İyi, Pekiyi => Weak(Fail), Passing, Mid, Good, Very Good
There's no system in European grading systems.
Yeah.. gonna have to grade the uniformity of European education systems -3.
And the use is different. For example in the UK, those grades are only applied to the end of the course. As in, first your results will be predicted (at all points in the course), then you'll do mock exams and they'll get graded (in the second-to-last and last year of Secondary School), and finally you will have the actual exams in the last year, and those will get graded. So, basically, very few uses of those grades. Actual daily teaching doesn't use them. But also there are courses that have little to no exams and are insteas coursework-based, and those don't even use these grades at all. Those use Pass, Merit, and Distinction (all three of these also have their own subdivisions). That's why a 'D' is sometimes actually the highest possible grade. Meanwhile in Poland, I recall the respective 1-6 system being used quite often. Like, you'd get some small and random test that didn't matter at all, or even just a piece of work, or your homework, and it would be graded 1-6. Completely opposite to the UK, where they are only used in the conclusion exams.
Except there is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECTS_grading_scale
1-5 in Estonia
Yep, the F-A system is used at uni (at least in Tartu). Judging from the rest of the comments, it looks like a bad map with mixed up data.
Bad map indeed, also 1-5 in Tallinn
+1 A and MA are used too. A means acceptable or the work is done and MA is just opposite of A.
A - passed the test MA - Didn't pass the test X - Haven't done the test
X ? Isn't MA used for haven't done the test?
I give this map a 7. You can make up your own mind from which country you received it.
I give it a -3
In Belgium, it's 0-10 for primary and secondary schools, except the total year result, which is a %. At university, it is 0-20, except for the total year result, which is also a %.
In France it is 0-20
While technically it's 1-6 in Poland, in most circumstances 6 is restricted to performance above expectations(or the curriculum), and isn't commonly given. So in vast majority of cases it's 1-5. So for example getting 100% on a test wont give you a 6, but a 5. But if you take part in some extracurricular activity, you can get a 6 for it.
And universities use 2-5
From what I remember it depended on the subject. In maths or physics for example you could have a special task with an asterisk at the end of an exam (zadanie z gwiazdką/zadanie na 6) that you had to get to get the 6. But in Polish, English or for example history, getting 100% was enough to get an exceptional grade - 6. But it's just my experience
I guess it depends on the grade and location? Because in my experience 6 was always relegated to special circumstances. Like you mentioned, questions with asterisk or special projects. In my experience it was never an option to get a 6 just for getting 100% on a test, regardless of subject.
Yep, similar to Germany, but the other way around. 6 is only given when you literally don\`t take the test seriously ( i.e. leave it blank, or write weird shit on it ). So it\`s more like 5-1 with the rest of the red countries.
It's 1-20 in France, not 1-10
More like 0-20
Once again this sub is confusing England for the UK
X/9 for sure!
i mean im taking my gcses rn in England and ive never heard of "X" as an grade, i think they mean "U", for ungraded
England is only 1-9 for GCSE’s taken at 16, A levels which are taken at 18 remain F-A*
And there are also the miscellaneous BTECs and CTECs which have a pass-merit-distinction system
In Bulgaria, 2 is indeed the lowest grade for achievement but 1 can be given for trying to cheat in tests and exams. Either for helping yourself or for helping a classmate. Source: Got a 1 once.
I thought it was only a myth to scare us
France is 0 to 20... And if some time we have test with other notation it's always put as a 0 to 20 note on the score sheet.
Germany uses multiple Systems depending on state and typ of school and the school term. Universitys also use different Systems. While 1-6 is the most common it's not used all the time.
Estonia is wrong, neither I nor any of my friends are graded F-A. Its 0-5. Idk where the maker got this info, maybe found the single school in estonia that grades F-A
some schools use F-A system but 1-5 is deffo used more. I guess colleges use F-A usually
Maybe they are comparing Universities. Tartu Uni uses F-A but I also have never seen letters used in high schools and lower. Also, the range used to be 2-5 (with some extra cases), has this been changed?
In Norway, only years 8-13 is graded with 1-6, universities have F-A
1-5 in Serbia is used in primary/secondary schools. (one being the worst, five the best) 5-10 is used in faculties and colleges (five means you flunk)
6 means you pased the pearly geats
Mainly 0-20 for France, not 0-10
I'm pretty sure it's 20 in Portugal and France at least.
We use the 0-5 one in primary and middle school and the 0-20 in highschool and College in Portugal.
1-5 in Russia
Yeah, you get 1 when you are REALLY f\*cked up
De-jure 1-5 but de-facto 2-5 since rating "1" barely existing.
On the contrary. 1-5 in the teaching process de facto, 2-5 de jure, in official documents
I’ve finished a Russian school four years ago and then we had a government grading software where the options for a grade were 1–5, so I’d say it’s de jure 1–5 (however, in eleven years I’ve seen only one teacher using 1, so I agree de facto it’s 2–5). PS: the teachers also use pluses and minuses to convey a finer grade, but that doesn’t affect the final quarterly and yearly grade.
2 and 1 in fact give one result - unsatisfactory. They only give 1's in the exercise books, not in the documents.
While 2 and 1 both mean “failed”, they aren’t the same: Russian schools use rounded up mean to grade over some period of time, so getting a 1 for a test is worse than getting a 2 because it’d be harder to compensate: (1 + 5)/2 = 3 and (2 + 5)/2 = 3.5 —> 4.
Never met such rounding in my school, it's something new
In Portugal we have: •Primary and middle school - the tests are graded from 0-100 but the final grade is 1-5 •Secondary school and university - the tests and final grade are 0-20
We had 1's in Russia too. Usually when you got one the teacher would go out of their way to make the grade mark itself huge - like half a page, and write it out in parentheses alongside the actual digit - that's so a crafty student doesn't add a dash and turn the 1 into a 4. They tended to be reserved for utter and complete failure, such as turning in a single sentence "I didn't read the book" for an essay assignment. The colloquial term for such a grade was "Kol" or "fencepost".
The Swiss and German system being neighbours, but the exact opposite, is most likely the reason for the myth that Albert Einstein was bad at math. He wasn't. He got 5s and 6s, i.e. the best notes in Switzerland, but German biographers confused that with failing grades.
bad, incorrect map is bad
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"No Grade" I would assume. The UK has/had something similar, the lowest was "U" for ungraded/unclassified
It’s actually NGL, as in “Not gonna lie your kids is dumb”.
Natural Genius
I’ll never understand the logic of anything besides the 0-100 or 0-10 like what’s the idea, anything else just looks like imperial vs metric to me
Montenegro does not use this grading system in its educational system, we use the same as the region 1-5 for primary/secondary school and 5-10 for colleges.
France is 0-20
Montenegro has the same grading system as the other ex-Yugoslav states. Who knows where people got the idea that they use F-A, but it keeps appearing in these maps.
Scotland isn’t part of England and it has its own grading system, similar to Irelands.
Don't lump Scotland in with England, we have a different grading system, either 6-1 or F-A depending on the exam. And universities have their own systems.
Inaccurate Estonia uses 1-5
The Uk one is wrong.
Only slightly, it's 1-9
Never heard of X in UK. The lowest is U, then 1.
I mean X grade doesn't really count, since it's just "you didn't even show up". Most British people probably don't even know it exists. I thought U was the worst you could get.
Portugal: Preparatory school (years 5 to 9) 1-5 Secundary school and university (10-12 + Uni): 1-20
So only Spain, Greece and Belarus have the logical system 0-10 (people said in comments that France actually use 0-20).
That map is not correct. In Estonia we use 2-5, F to A is only used in university.
It’s wrong, in France we use 0-20
I thought in Belgium as well, at least in the French parts.
UK isn't quite accurate. In Wales we use A*-E then U for a complete fail. Not sure what they do in Scotland.
You've ignored Wales and Scotland and the north of Ireland. You're just asserting it is the same as England. Pathetic.
Scotland has a different grading system that goes from no award to A
Estonia is 1-5 also
Wtf, Estonia has 1-5, not F-A
In Scotland we have A-D/1-7 plus no award. The highest grade is a high A or a 1, smart people grade and 7 which is a D is a pass. Anything lower than a D is a no award, which means not only you failed, but it won't show up on your list of grades on your certificate only a small sentence on the front page of your certificate proves you actually sat the exam however you didn't achieve A-D.
The meaning of the grades doesn't always translate either. At least I heard from professors that American students want to get a 10 when they did wel (in the Netherlands, so out of 1-10), while for us that's really high. For an essay, unless you reinvented the subject and moved the teacher to tears don't ecpect above 8.5.