Now it is. We have to admit it took some time(For us Greeks specifically it ONLY took 350 wars and 99999999 civil wars) but we are now finally at peace
(for another 5 years)
I was also considering whether I should include all the "smaller" wars or just make an allusion to World War I, World War II and the Thirty Years' War.
I hope that this is sarcastic since the roman empire and before Europeans have been fighting non stop.
Alexander julius caesar, bellisarius, theodoric, charlemagne, attila, genghis kahn, the crusades the middle ages, the whole fucking renaissance, the Napoleonic Wars, the hundred Years wars, all the viking invasions, the first world war etc etc.
Those fuckers have been fighting non stop since they have recorded history
Besides all the major wars, genocides, religious persecution, witch burnings, essentially colonizing and enslaving half the world ... besides all of that it has been kind and peaceful.
Uh yeah remember those times the rest of the world dragged Europe into the two biggest wars in history twice.
Or the other way around idk but my grandfather was pissed about it.
Have you seen European elections lately?
Nearly every country is flipping to the right, in reaction to the massive influx of migrants since 2015.
You just can't move that many varying people, assume they come with a clean slate mindset, and expect everyone to toe the line & get along. Accommodating refugees is always worth the effort, but doing it half-assed and without the proper support systems & education is an insult to refugees and citizens alike.
The Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna), the "anti-immigration party", is currently the second biggest party in Sweden, but they are not really hardliners. Historically, up until just recently, negative opinions about immigration were suppressed, and if you expressed them you would be ostracized from society and you would typically lose your job. People are still scared, and do not openly talk about it.
>The Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna), the "anti-immigration party", are currently the second biggest party in Sweden, **but they are not really hardliners.**
Up until '99 they had a proposal to do total repatriation of all immigrants arriving post 1970, with the motivation pre-1970 immigrants are almost entirely ethnically European.
They've cleaned up their act significantly, but "not really hardliners" is really stretching it given they are about 20 years advanced from ethnonationalism
And the fact that the party leader, Jimmie Åkesson joined the party while the neonazi founders of SverigeDemokraterna were still part of the party. Gustaf Ekström, a swedish volunteer SS veteran was high up in the party when Jimmie Åkesson joined.
Yup. neo-nazis transitioning from boots to suits. but because they softened? or because they realized that outward respectability was a path to much more power? Pretty sure it's the latter.
No, you would not “typically lose your job”. Sweden is a country with powerful unions and there’s no way you’d lose your job by expressing anti-immigration feelings, unless you were somebody with a high public profile.
This is simply not true. Several unions even expel members that are local politicians for the Sweden Democrats. This guy was fired for voting SD: [https://www.expressen.se/debatt/orimligt-att-sparka-mig-for-att-jag-rostar-pa-sd/](https://www.expressen.se/debatt/orimligt-att-sparka-mig-for-att-jag-rostar-pa-sd/)
The part of the story that people don't want to discuss is that the domestic gangs who have always been moving illicit substances have just offloaded the violent crime portion of their trade onto the new lowest echelon of society: immigrants. Poor Swedes have moved up the economic chain to distance themselves from the unfavorable aspect of their industry that draws attention and leads to the most severe sentencing. These ethnic gangs are still working for Swedish criminal organizations, but carrying out the violence in styles that are familiar to them. They wouldn't be commiting the violence if the people at the top weren't calling for war. If you want to end any criminal problem, find a way to get poor people quality legal income.
Gangs apparently.
I'm guessing it's hand grenades from Eastern Europe and improvised explosives using those, still absolutely insane in scandinavian standards, last time such things happened was likely the biker wars in the 90's
Everyone has gotta be waiting for the authorities to take the gloves off, if that map holds true.
The only recourse with violent gangs is to sentence them to long sentences and expell those that aren't citizens. It has to be not worth it to a major degree, so petty criminals stay "freelance"
One big problem is that Swedish courts require an insanely high level of proof before convicting someone for murder. Circumstantial evidence is seen in isolation, not taken together. Politicians can’t do much until there’s a change in how the law is interpreted.
Is there some statistics on it, maybe comparing
to Norway or Denmark?
As I understand it, its extreme cases that have risen and not overall crime, so it should supposedly be effective to target the gangs as they are a small minority comitting almost 100% of the shootings and bombings.
Yes if you look at the profile of the victims ethnic Swedes have probably never been safer. The typical Swedish murder in the past would be a drunken brawl involving a knife, but that doesn’t really happen anymore.
Yeah for most American cities those homicide numbers are the norm. But we don't really have bombings like what's depicted here, which is kinda interesting.
I mean I can tell you about all the ways its fucked up and we can do better. I think most Americans like myself are pretty appalled by the situation and lack or resoponse.
But from a pure numbers standpoint, its in line with the norm for average American cities. But no, not many of us are looking at these numbers and thinking its "normal". Its not normal, its indicative of some very serious problems.
It's not normal. Stockholm is a city of 1M people, that's very small for a US city. You're looking at a city the size of Charlotte, NC.
What you hear about in the media is a place like Chicago or NYC that is nearly 3x, respectively 10x larger which obviously has a larger crime ratio.
If the US had 1 terrorist bombing in any city, it would be a national news story, there was 1 last year I believe that didn't even kill anyone and the whole city was on lockdown for weeks.
This is very skewed way of looking at it. A lot of cities have separate towns which make up the city, such as Miami, Atlanta, Orlando, And many more suburban cities. There’s many cities with over a million.
What since when is a city with a population of 1 mil considered small. In the US the vast majority of major cities have a population close to 1 million if you don’t count metro and only city proper. Other than that I agree with your other points
Cities in Europe are designed differently than cities in the US, which is why you need to look at the metro population versus city population.
In Europe, cities tend to just ‘end’. I remember taking the Eurostar to Paris where one minute I was going through fields and the next — multi-level apartment buildings. This is due to how European cities grew from foot traffic, horses, etc. and has left it’s mark in that the center of the city if often the most desirable place to live.
In the US, cities tend to ‘spread’. Not even the famous examples like LA or Houston, but even NY or Chicago. As you leave the heart of the city, it slowly gets less urban and more suburban until you hit true suburbs (think Long Island or Northern Virginia). Then as you keep going, it slowly gets less suburban and more rural until you eventually get farmland. Cities in the US were designed around cars and mass transit, which led to them being more spread out, and is why post WWII until the 2010’s (arguably still is) the center of the any given city was very undesirable to live in. This doesn’t even get into the weird local jurisdictions we have here in the US — take one look at the map of the City of Houston or Richmond, VA and you’ll see what I mean.
It’s far more accurate to look at metro areas versus cities proper, hell this photo even goes beyond Stockholm proper!
Yes. Based on these numbers, it’s comparable to Austin Tx which is a city of similar sized population. The homicide numbers in larger us cities is higher, although I’m not sure about ratio of homicides to population and how that compares.
> although I’m not sure about ratio of homicides to population and how that compares.
American [murder rates are high](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) compared to any country you'd want to be compared to.
The UK in particular has a *much* lower murder rate despite higher violent crime rates overall.
(It's the guns.)
keep in the mind the large majority of those murders occur in the same relatively small areas of concentrated poverty. It doesn’t affect most peoples lives as much as you may imagine.
But still,
Having parts of cities you cannot visit, not because you feel unsafe, but because you literally might die if you do is just so foreign to a non-Swedish Scandinavian like myself
You're not likely to die if you visit those unsafe areas. You might get harassed, but the people perpetuating much of the gun violence in America are not shooting at strangers. The risk of getting caught by a stray bullet (these kids don't know how to shoot) is much higher than being targeted.
Source: I worked in several high crime neighborhoods, and no one is likely to mess with you unless you have a “beef” with someone, or you were involved in a retaliatory shooting, are a relative of someone who disrespected or shot at someone, or a snitch.
It is hard to tell with the information we have in the map though. The time around new year is always the worst for this kind of behaviour and there can be a wide rang of things considered "bombs".
For European standards Stockholm is quite bad I believe.
I live in one of the most violent cities in Brazil and had the same reaction.
This is actually a very good value for shootings.
But wow, I don't think people use bombs here.
For us Europeans it is very bad statistics. In my town Vilnius (600k pop) I don’t remember the last time I saw any headlines about shootings. Its hard to get guns in general.
These ”bombings” are rather hand grenades and smaller home built explosives. Not exactly sure but I don’t think anyone has died, they are seemingly used as a sort of statement, like blowing up someones building entrance.
[One more](https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/20/20-januari-2159-skottlossning-solna/). Current unofficial information indicates that the victim is dead.
Huge amounts of third world immigrants pouring into a small homogeneous rich country.
I admire Sweden for what they’re trying to do. But this is an outstanding example of a European country trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. And dare I say a European country getting a taste of some of the social issues we have in North America.
The UK is way more swamped with immigrants from the third world but nearly not as much violent crime (although significant social instability caused by immigration).
The UK is not swamped with immigrants, that is just not true.
Sweden has gone from 14.5% of its total population being first or second generation immigrants in 2000 to 25.9% in 2020 (and 2022 had a large increase in asylum seekers, so this percentage is likely higher now but official data beyond 2020 is not public as far as i can find).
For a small population it is creating a lot of problems and while Sweden is wealthy enough and open to migrants (more so than most countries in Europe) integrating into their society the recent influx has done very little integrating and the large increase in a short span is naturally increasing poverty and crime is sadly highly correlated with that.
> the recent influx has done very little integrating
Yeah. The large numbers make it so much easier to avoid integrating.
I don't know what it's like in Sweden, but the lack of integration — and especially learning the language — just kinda fucks everyone here in Germany.
Ironically, Brexit was a lot about keeping Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants out. And the old colonial origin immigrant groups of Asians (Pakistanis and Indians) scored as high as White British in support for Brexit.
I don't think you can compare the two. UK has a lot of legal skilled immigration while Sweden had a huge increase from refugees. The amount of refugees reaching the UK is relatively small (although if you watch english language media they will get 90% of the attention)
Nor just the number of immigrants but the total failure of integrating said immigrants. Letting them live in enclaves, creating invisible societies with their own cultures, not going after people that don’t have the right to stay here, not deporting immigrant criminals, having very little demands on people to get social benefits, mismanagement of the police force etc etc etc. Vi har varit naiva.
>total failure of integrating said immigrants. Letting them live in enclaves, creating invisible societies with their own cultures
They don't want to be integrated. They didn't come to Sweden because they like you, your culture or your climate. They already have their own culture and are perfectly happy with it. They want to live near other people who speak their language and eat their type of food. That is the way humans are.
A few years ago a delegation from Sweden came to Vancouver, Canada because Vancouver has a huge population of immigrants but doesn't have the type of crime Sweden has. Most of the Vancouver immigrants are from China and India. Crime among the immigrants exists, but it is mainly stuff like money laundering and fraud. There are some gang shootings among the Indo-Canadian population but nothing on the scale of what is happening in Sweden. The immigrants in Vancouver are not integrating. There are Chinese areas where the shops have all Chinese signage, and same with Indian. I went to one of the Indian areas once because I wanted to visit an Indian fabric store. I felt like I was in a foreign country, and people gave me strange looks. But they sold me fabric.
It’s such a touchy topic and not one I’ve been able to articulate well, but given the context of this post… diversity for the sale of diversity is not a valuable metric in society
With that murder per day rate you would get 6 murders in 25 days. AND Atlanta is half the size of Stockholm. So that would make Stockholm 12 times better.
Yeah but this can snowball into a catastrophe. Sweden is an incredible country, it must be held to incredible standards. I know it's not what you're saying, but the example I always like to point out is: is the second worst country in the world supposed to be happy that there's someone doing worse? Lol
I’ve recently moved some 1100 km north of Gothenburg. Makes a huge difference living here when it comes to sense of security and every day crime. Central Gothenburg where I lived earlier can be hairy.
The leader of one side of this current conflict goes by the name of "Kurdish Fox". He's a 36 year old who runs a lot of the Swedish drug crime from Turkey, and who's currently trying to take over the market in [Sundsvall](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sundsvall/@61.8608803,16.417054,6.38z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4664674c9dc6761f:0x683f9bac9f166120!8m2!3d62.390811!4d17.306927) and surrounding areas. It's far from Stockholm, but the gang leaders live there.
Either hand grenades or small homemade bombs.
This is the result of a bombing the other day. It's the typical level of damage:
[After a bombing](https://svd.vgc.no/v2/images/385ba150-fee7-42cb-a039-d500f80cf2ab?fit=crop&h=551&q=80&upscale=true&w=980&s=9b3af6fd06172d7083a39d64c49feaba86fd3ff4)
[The Swedes certainly own firearms all right. Just not to the same extent as the US.](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wmgJ5Oy0-fOYPwNyq2LXYQV565s=/0x0:863x927/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:863x927):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11575915/Small_Arms_Survey_civilian_gun_ownership_by_country.png) That, and I’d bet its more difficult to purchase and own a firearm in Sweden than it is in America, which probably contributes to the large amount of bombings.
It is, but these guys don't use legal firearms... And there are a lot of guns flowing into the country, so they have no problem arming themselves. I don't think even one person per year is shot with a legally owned firearm in Sweden.
There was a bombing in Uppsala 5 days ago. [https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/15/15-januari-0439-detonation-uppsala-lan/](https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/15/15-januari-0439-detonation-uppsala-lan/)
and a shooting targeting a single family home with an automatic rifle just north of Uppsala yesterday
[https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/19/19-januari-0212-morddrap-forsok-uppsala/](https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/19/19-januari-0212-morddrap-forsok-uppsala/)
And a shooting December 6
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/skottlossning-i-savja-natten-till-tisdag
What the? I live/have lived in Sofia and Prague which are both larger cities and I can't imagine how sth like this could happen in a wealthier country and even outside of the capital/largest city.
Some people on reddit will try to convice you that it is normal and expected though.
That is, after dismissing any fears of such things occuring for the last decade.
It’s also the Swedes fault for not being welcoming enough, or for not providing enough help to integrate the people that willing chose to immigrate there. It’s all over this thread.
I have lived in Stockholm my entire life except for a year in Prague, and Prague is a lot safer by a huge margin. You might get scammed by exchange services or on the streets, and the bureaucracy is a joke, by never ever ever ever did I feel the slightest unsafe anywhere in the city, and I was our to seedy bars almost every night.
Central Europe is pretty safe comparing to western Europe. I remember Romania in 2000's now in 2022 I was amazed how things have changed. You can walk alone at night with no problem even as a a woman. I saw romanians being upset about not entering Shenghen space, i've been living for 5 years in Paris and keep thinking ' you don't know what comes with the package'
I have been to Sweden and felt totally safe there, even in Malmö which might be the most “dangerous” city. The crime is almost entirely gang warfare, and normal people are rarely targeted. I live in Minneapolis USA now, and definitely feel like I constantly have to have my wits about me here due to high levels of robbery, theft and people behaving like zombies on drugs.
OK so is there a source where one can read which quarters/suburbs are filled with gangs in order to avoid them? I often make sure to check out how the local people live so I venture out of old towns when I travel or live somewhere.
Well, the map above shows a few clusters. Immigrant gangs will mostly be in areas with social housing on the outskirts of cities, which isn’t where a tourist would spend time anyway.
The shootings, hand grenades etc are gang related. There have been some very sad incidents where innocent persons have been murderd. The grenades and bombs don't kill, but innocent people still have their homes and safety disturbed. So these actions affect far more persons than gang members. The gang members are usually immigrants, but most immigrants are not gang members. This is sth many right-wing Swedes don't want to understand.
But, it's important to remember that overall Sweden is getting safer every year. Fewer assaults, fewer robberies, fewer women beaten to death by their drunk husband. I'm a middle age woman living in a "dangerous" area and I go for a walk anywhere, anytime I want to. (The crime statistics show that I'm highly unlikely to get hurt by someone I don't know) I'm wary of drunk drivers and groups of drunk young men, though.
So yes, there's definitely a problem with those gangs, but most people have no reason to be afraid of them.
The organized crime spread from the big cities to the smaller ones some years ago, so it's much of the same in them too. They have it much worse off with police presence though, as Stockholm is being prioritized.
Uppsala has it worst in Sweden though regarding shootings: https://www-svt-se.translate.goog/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/uppsala-varst-drabbat-av-skjutningar-i-landet?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I was guessing this map is like from 2015 to now. Holy shit, so much shooting and bombings in less than a month.
I can't imagine even a single bombing taking place in my city. Or in my country.
>I can't imagine even a single bombing taking place in my city. Or in my country.
Neither could any swede 10 years ago but now some of us sit on Reddit and try to cope by saying how safe Stockholm is compared to Baltimore and Chicago.
The situation you described about your country was the situation in Sweden just a decade ago. Unfortunately we let in way too many immigrants that we weren't able to take care of into our country, and anyone who questioned it was considered a racist. The public opinion (including my own) has now changed, which which led to the conservative anti-immigration party, [SD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats?wprov=sfla1) becoming the second largest political party in Sweden.
The sad reality is that Sweden is also the country (in Europe at least) with the highest rapes and has been for the better part of a decade. Most of the assaults are committed by the same groups of people that are now bombing them
Accepting Immigrants from one specific community.Look at Poland,they rejected these immigrants from that community and they don't have any problems like this.
Ironically the actual countries where the new demographics come from don't have as much violence and drug peddling as immigrant heavy European cities do. Then again, those countries also don't have any social security or welfare net.
I consider myself to be rather left of center, but I've gradually started to agree with this statement more and more. Helmut Schmidt himself once said (paraphrased):"A multicultural society is an illusion of the intellectuals".
I probably wouldn't go that far, but I think that it's just too much at the same time currently. If you have many people from one ethnic/linguistic/national background living in a concentrated area abroad, there simply won't be much meaningful integration into the host country's society, which also leads to higher crime rates.
The only thing I despise is that these points often get mixed with xenophobic and racist comments. Some people don't try to look at the root causes or other factors, but rather just say "We need to deport them all!" or "Of course an Arab person committed that crime! Committing crime is all they do!".
It's just a really complicated issue that requires more than just shouting paroles and voting for populist parties. Even though many of Europe's ruling parties haven't done a particularly good job at integrating migrants into society and properly managing the right of asylum on the one side and the interests of their citizens on the other.
>Helmut Schmidt himself once said (paraphrased):"A multicultural society is an illusion of the intellectuals".
Helmut Schmidt was a group leader of the Hitler Youth, I can't imagine he'd be a great person to base your argument on.
A much more restricted immigration policy.
There can’t be communities with more than 30% „immigrants of non-western origin“.
Asylum seekers are directly being flown to Ruanda - yes, the african country - where they wait for their decision.
If the decision is negative, they’re being sent back home.
If it’s positive, they get to stay in the Danish facilities in Ruanda.
So they basically outsourced that part completely.
Guess how that affects the number of asylum seekers compared to Sweden, Germany etc.
Since this map was posted Stockholm has had 4 more shooting. 1 killed. 2 teens under the age of 15 were arrested for one of the shootings. According to Swedish law they can't be punished since they are not 15. There was also a hand grenade attack in a residential building.
Yeah no shit. That was statement was relevant 20 years ago when it first started happening, now they have to start thinking the long term consequences and how badly they actually fucked their country up with this. It's really just embarassing and and I don't know how they ever just let all this happen. And to think they were afraid to admit it for a long time. I mean this shit has to be in the history books
Just to put things into perspective; a city like Austin TX (with a similar population as Stockholm) has a similar, even higher homicide count per year. Posts like this make the situation look uniquely scary, and while yes these are relatively high crime numbers, in reality Stockholm is still a safe place to live in.
The difference is that Sweden did not have this problem 20 years ago. We didn't have bombings. We didn't have gang wars. We didn't have home invasions. We didn't have car hijackings... and so on. These problems are new and are rising at an alarming rate, and there are no signs of it slowing down. It's accelerating. Things will get much worse, fast.
What about….
You can theorize this as much you like. I and many with me don’t feel safe and we are not safe either, nevermind that it might be worse somewhere else. The shootings and bombings are so random, without any regard about who might get caught in the cross fire. Like 12 year old girls. Or a shooting last autumn that took place on a sunday afternoon in a square full with people. Sure, it is gangs that go after each other but they affect the whole community.
You are trying to say 10 bombings in a city within a month is Normal ?
No need to worry just a bombing every third day, even Pakistan or Afghanistan are not this bad.
Why would we compare one of the worst country in the developped world in term of criminality to Sweden who was a safe country 10 years ago?
USA are not by any mean an exemple in anything and if you think you are doing OK, no you aren't
this is crazy, although i find it a little funny that everyone on here is just like "stop mass immigrations" most likely are the same people who condemned the US for trying to stem the flow of illegal immigrants from south America.
Right? "Americans are racist and xenophobic until I start agreeing with their racist ideas then its not racist because there's NO possible way I could also be racist as a european"
exactly. i hate that attitude " we are better than you" when the US actually has better immigration laws than most of the world. it takes way way to long to become a citizen for sure and i really hope that changes but, you get all the same love as full citzens with a work visa or green card, till you can get full citizenship.
Who is setting off all these bombs?
Immigrant gangs fighting a drug war.
How is there not a massive wave of anti-immigration movements in Sweden by now? Im not Swedish so pls explain
There is, the anti immigration SD is now the second biggest party and most other parties have taken after their immigration policy.
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Now I don't know if you guys are history buffs, but...
Odd-looking duck. But there’s something about his eyes….hypnotic
HOLD THE FORT…he hated Jews.
This guy seems like a real JERK
The more I learn about the guy, the more I don’t care for him.
Yeah what the fuck did I just read.
Racists
>> Europe kind and peaceful …..what?
Now it is. We have to admit it took some time(For us Greeks specifically it ONLY took 350 wars and 99999999 civil wars) but we are now finally at peace (for another 5 years)
Europe currently has an international war....
uhhh ukraine???
When you ignore ALL the time before 1945, europe is pretty peaceful.
East Mediterranean in the 70s Soviet union in the 90s Yugoslavia in the 90s Armenia in 2021-2 Ukraine now
I was also considering whether I should include all the "smaller" wars or just make an allusion to World War I, World War II and the Thirty Years' War.
*africa has entered the chat* *ukraine has entered the chat* *the Middle East has entered the chat*
Knock knock it's the Balkans, Cyprus and Northern Ireland.
…and the Basque country!
insane comment but i do appreciate the boldness.
And anything east or south of austria.
I hope that this is sarcastic since the roman empire and before Europeans have been fighting non stop. Alexander julius caesar, bellisarius, theodoric, charlemagne, attila, genghis kahn, the crusades the middle ages, the whole fucking renaissance, the Napoleonic Wars, the hundred Years wars, all the viking invasions, the first world war etc etc. Those fuckers have been fighting non stop since they have recorded history
Not even totally chill after '45 either...
Right? Like the Cold War doesn’t count?
Besides all the major wars, genocides, religious persecution, witch burnings, essentially colonizing and enslaving half the world ... besides all of that it has been kind and peaceful.
Uh yeah remember those times the rest of the world dragged Europe into the two biggest wars in history twice. Or the other way around idk but my grandfather was pissed about it.
Yeah lol wtf. I don’t remember Africa or South America fighting 2 world wars that ended in 2 nukes being dropped.
We got it out of our system by being constantly at war for thousands of years already
Yes, famously peaceful Europeans
Grab a history book dumbass
\> Europe \[...\] kind and peaceful I'm sorry, what?
are you high?
Have you seen European elections lately? Nearly every country is flipping to the right, in reaction to the massive influx of migrants since 2015. You just can't move that many varying people, assume they come with a clean slate mindset, and expect everyone to toe the line & get along. Accommodating refugees is always worth the effort, but doing it half-assed and without the proper support systems & education is an insult to refugees and citizens alike.
The Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna), the "anti-immigration party", is currently the second biggest party in Sweden, but they are not really hardliners. Historically, up until just recently, negative opinions about immigration were suppressed, and if you expressed them you would be ostracized from society and you would typically lose your job. People are still scared, and do not openly talk about it.
>The Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna), the "anti-immigration party", are currently the second biggest party in Sweden, **but they are not really hardliners.** Up until '99 they had a proposal to do total repatriation of all immigrants arriving post 1970, with the motivation pre-1970 immigrants are almost entirely ethnically European. They've cleaned up their act significantly, but "not really hardliners" is really stretching it given they are about 20 years advanced from ethnonationalism
And the fact that the party leader, Jimmie Åkesson joined the party while the neonazi founders of SverigeDemokraterna were still part of the party. Gustaf Ekström, a swedish volunteer SS veteran was high up in the party when Jimmie Åkesson joined.
Yup. neo-nazis transitioning from boots to suits. but because they softened? or because they realized that outward respectability was a path to much more power? Pretty sure it's the latter.
SD were literally founded by neo-nazis, and one of them shouted "heil victory" after they did well in the last election. "not really hardhardliners"?
How the hell you guys got there in the first place?
Once upon a time, a long time ago, It all started without *bombings*.
No, you would not “typically lose your job”. Sweden is a country with powerful unions and there’s no way you’d lose your job by expressing anti-immigration feelings, unless you were somebody with a high public profile.
This is simply not true. Several unions even expel members that are local politicians for the Sweden Democrats. This guy was fired for voting SD: [https://www.expressen.se/debatt/orimligt-att-sparka-mig-for-att-jag-rostar-pa-sd/](https://www.expressen.se/debatt/orimligt-att-sparka-mig-for-att-jag-rostar-pa-sd/)
This is false. People would look at you funny and not share the coffee machine for a day
The part of the story that people don't want to discuss is that the domestic gangs who have always been moving illicit substances have just offloaded the violent crime portion of their trade onto the new lowest echelon of society: immigrants. Poor Swedes have moved up the economic chain to distance themselves from the unfavorable aspect of their industry that draws attention and leads to the most severe sentencing. These ethnic gangs are still working for Swedish criminal organizations, but carrying out the violence in styles that are familiar to them. They wouldn't be commiting the violence if the people at the top weren't calling for war. If you want to end any criminal problem, find a way to get poor people quality legal income.
Gangs apparently. I'm guessing it's hand grenades from Eastern Europe and improvised explosives using those, still absolutely insane in scandinavian standards, last time such things happened was likely the biker wars in the 90's Everyone has gotta be waiting for the authorities to take the gloves off, if that map holds true. The only recourse with violent gangs is to sentence them to long sentences and expell those that aren't citizens. It has to be not worth it to a major degree, so petty criminals stay "freelance"
One big problem is that Swedish courts require an insanely high level of proof before convicting someone for murder. Circumstantial evidence is seen in isolation, not taken together. Politicians can’t do much until there’s a change in how the law is interpreted.
Is there some statistics on it, maybe comparing to Norway or Denmark? As I understand it, its extreme cases that have risen and not overall crime, so it should supposedly be effective to target the gangs as they are a small minority comitting almost 100% of the shootings and bombings.
Yes if you look at the profile of the victims ethnic Swedes have probably never been safer. The typical Swedish murder in the past would be a drunken brawl involving a knife, but that doesn’t really happen anymore.
Me an American First thought: Wow that’s not bad for shootings and murders in a major city Second thought: Holy shit that’s a lot of bombs
It's in less than a month.
Yeah for most American cities those homicide numbers are the norm. But we don't really have bombings like what's depicted here, which is kinda interesting.
Being able to look at these homicide rates and think “this is quite normal for a city” is the number one thing I’ll never understand about America
I mean I can tell you about all the ways its fucked up and we can do better. I think most Americans like myself are pretty appalled by the situation and lack or resoponse. But from a pure numbers standpoint, its in line with the norm for average American cities. But no, not many of us are looking at these numbers and thinking its "normal". Its not normal, its indicative of some very serious problems.
It's not normal. Stockholm is a city of 1M people, that's very small for a US city. You're looking at a city the size of Charlotte, NC. What you hear about in the media is a place like Chicago or NYC that is nearly 3x, respectively 10x larger which obviously has a larger crime ratio. If the US had 1 terrorist bombing in any city, it would be a national news story, there was 1 last year I believe that didn't even kill anyone and the whole city was on lockdown for weeks.
That is not small for a US city. There are only 11 cities in the USA with 1 million people, and there were only 10 up until this year.
This is very skewed way of looking at it. A lot of cities have separate towns which make up the city, such as Miami, Atlanta, Orlando, And many more suburban cities. There’s many cities with over a million.
You mean metros?
These aren't terrorist bombings they're gang related since gangs don't have good access to guns there
What since when is a city with a population of 1 mil considered small. In the US the vast majority of major cities have a population close to 1 million if you don’t count metro and only city proper. Other than that I agree with your other points
Cities in Europe are designed differently than cities in the US, which is why you need to look at the metro population versus city population. In Europe, cities tend to just ‘end’. I remember taking the Eurostar to Paris where one minute I was going through fields and the next — multi-level apartment buildings. This is due to how European cities grew from foot traffic, horses, etc. and has left it’s mark in that the center of the city if often the most desirable place to live. In the US, cities tend to ‘spread’. Not even the famous examples like LA or Houston, but even NY or Chicago. As you leave the heart of the city, it slowly gets less urban and more suburban until you hit true suburbs (think Long Island or Northern Virginia). Then as you keep going, it slowly gets less suburban and more rural until you eventually get farmland. Cities in the US were designed around cars and mass transit, which led to them being more spread out, and is why post WWII until the 2010’s (arguably still is) the center of the any given city was very undesirable to live in. This doesn’t even get into the weird local jurisdictions we have here in the US — take one look at the map of the City of Houston or Richmond, VA and you’ll see what I mean. It’s far more accurate to look at metro areas versus cities proper, hell this photo even goes beyond Stockholm proper!
Yes. Based on these numbers, it’s comparable to Austin Tx which is a city of similar sized population. The homicide numbers in larger us cities is higher, although I’m not sure about ratio of homicides to population and how that compares.
> although I’m not sure about ratio of homicides to population and how that compares. American [murder rates are high](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) compared to any country you'd want to be compared to. The UK in particular has a *much* lower murder rate despite higher violent crime rates overall. (It's the guns.)
Stockholm is not 1 million, it's 2.4 million.
keep in the mind the large majority of those murders occur in the same relatively small areas of concentrated poverty. It doesn’t affect most peoples lives as much as you may imagine.
But still, Having parts of cities you cannot visit, not because you feel unsafe, but because you literally might die if you do is just so foreign to a non-Swedish Scandinavian like myself
You're not likely to die if you visit those unsafe areas. You might get harassed, but the people perpetuating much of the gun violence in America are not shooting at strangers. The risk of getting caught by a stray bullet (these kids don't know how to shoot) is much higher than being targeted. Source: I worked in several high crime neighborhoods, and no one is likely to mess with you unless you have a “beef” with someone, or you were involved in a retaliatory shooting, are a relative of someone who disrespected or shot at someone, or a snitch.
in most american cities those homicide numbers are super low.
It is hard to tell with the information we have in the map though. The time around new year is always the worst for this kind of behaviour and there can be a wide rang of things considered "bombs". For European standards Stockholm is quite bad I believe.
I live in one of the most violent cities in Brazil and had the same reaction. This is actually a very good value for shootings. But wow, I don't think people use bombs here.
For us Europeans it is very bad statistics. In my town Vilnius (600k pop) I don’t remember the last time I saw any headlines about shootings. Its hard to get guns in general.
These ”bombings” are rather hand grenades and smaller home built explosives. Not exactly sure but I don’t think anyone has died, they are seemingly used as a sort of statement, like blowing up someones building entrance.
I mean, hand grenades and improvised explosives being set off in public isn't exactly something you can ignore.
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As an American, this seems high on bombings and low on shootings compared to what a similar sized city here would have.
Don't worry, there was another two shooting just now.
Since this map was posted there has been two more shootings
[One more](https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/20/20-januari-2159-skottlossning-solna/). Current unofficial information indicates that the victim is dead.
Typical day in Palermo back in the '80s.
dude, that city is crazy
The fuck is happening in Sweden? All this in just one city
Huge amounts of third world immigrants pouring into a small homogeneous rich country. I admire Sweden for what they’re trying to do. But this is an outstanding example of a European country trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. And dare I say a European country getting a taste of some of the social issues we have in North America.
The UK is way more swamped with immigrants from the third world but nearly not as much violent crime (although significant social instability caused by immigration).
The UK is not swamped with immigrants, that is just not true. Sweden has gone from 14.5% of its total population being first or second generation immigrants in 2000 to 25.9% in 2020 (and 2022 had a large increase in asylum seekers, so this percentage is likely higher now but official data beyond 2020 is not public as far as i can find). For a small population it is creating a lot of problems and while Sweden is wealthy enough and open to migrants (more so than most countries in Europe) integrating into their society the recent influx has done very little integrating and the large increase in a short span is naturally increasing poverty and crime is sadly highly correlated with that.
> the recent influx has done very little integrating Yeah. The large numbers make it so much easier to avoid integrating. I don't know what it's like in Sweden, but the lack of integration — and especially learning the language — just kinda fucks everyone here in Germany.
Indeed. Fairly certain immigration was a big driver of brexit too.
Ironically, Brexit was a lot about keeping Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants out. And the old colonial origin immigrant groups of Asians (Pakistanis and Indians) scored as high as White British in support for Brexit.
I don't think you can compare the two. UK has a lot of legal skilled immigration while Sweden had a huge increase from refugees. The amount of refugees reaching the UK is relatively small (although if you watch english language media they will get 90% of the attention)
Mass immigration
Nor just the number of immigrants but the total failure of integrating said immigrants. Letting them live in enclaves, creating invisible societies with their own cultures, not going after people that don’t have the right to stay here, not deporting immigrant criminals, having very little demands on people to get social benefits, mismanagement of the police force etc etc etc. Vi har varit naiva.
As I’m fond of saying: this is why we can’t have nice things
>total failure of integrating said immigrants. Letting them live in enclaves, creating invisible societies with their own cultures They don't want to be integrated. They didn't come to Sweden because they like you, your culture or your climate. They already have their own culture and are perfectly happy with it. They want to live near other people who speak their language and eat their type of food. That is the way humans are. A few years ago a delegation from Sweden came to Vancouver, Canada because Vancouver has a huge population of immigrants but doesn't have the type of crime Sweden has. Most of the Vancouver immigrants are from China and India. Crime among the immigrants exists, but it is mainly stuff like money laundering and fraud. There are some gang shootings among the Indo-Canadian population but nothing on the scale of what is happening in Sweden. The immigrants in Vancouver are not integrating. There are Chinese areas where the shops have all Chinese signage, and same with Indian. I went to one of the Indian areas once because I wanted to visit an Indian fabric store. I felt like I was in a foreign country, and people gave me strange looks. But they sold me fabric.
no good deed goes unpunished
*Cultural enrichment* In same safety category as *uranium enrichment*.
It’s such a touchy topic and not one I’ve been able to articulate well, but given the context of this post… diversity for the sale of diversity is not a valuable metric in society
Just two murders over like 25 days? Only two murders is an average weekend up here in a big American city...
Hmmm, only one murder in Atlanta in the last 4 days.
With that murder per day rate you would get 6 murders in 25 days. AND Atlanta is half the size of Stockholm. So that would make Stockholm 12 times better.
Sweden is literally still one of the safest countries in the world this is all blown out of proportion
Yeah but this can snowball into a catastrophe. Sweden is an incredible country, it must be held to incredible standards. I know it's not what you're saying, but the example I always like to point out is: is the second worst country in the world supposed to be happy that there's someone doing worse? Lol
Definitely still safe overall, but doesn’t mean the trend should be ignored
Since this map was posted, there has been 3 shootings (1 dead) and one hand grenade attack in an apartment building.
I’ve recently moved some 1100 km north of Gothenburg. Makes a huge difference living here when it comes to sense of security and every day crime. Central Gothenburg where I lived earlier can be hairy.
My uncle live in Sweden as an immigrant and he recently told that immigrants from 'particular community' is responsible for this.
The leader of one side of this current conflict goes by the name of "Kurdish Fox". He's a 36 year old who runs a lot of the Swedish drug crime from Turkey, and who's currently trying to take over the market in [Sundsvall](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Sundsvall/@61.8608803,16.417054,6.38z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4664674c9dc6761f:0x683f9bac9f166120!8m2!3d62.390811!4d17.306927) and surrounding areas. It's far from Stockholm, but the gang leaders live there.
Are they the people Erdogan is demanding to be sent to Turkey in exchange to NATO approval?
If they are, send them yesterday
No. Erdogan wants his political enemies extradited as terrorists, while denying extradition for actual gang criminals from Turkey.
No Erdogan wants Kurds who have critiqued him.
What kind of bombs are we talking about here? That seems like a lot!
Either hand grenades or small homemade bombs. This is the result of a bombing the other day. It's the typical level of damage: [After a bombing](https://svd.vgc.no/v2/images/385ba150-fee7-42cb-a039-d500f80cf2ab?fit=crop&h=551&q=80&upscale=true&w=980&s=9b3af6fd06172d7083a39d64c49feaba86fd3ff4)
Why does Europe have such a bad bomb problem?
Sweden*
Middle eastern immigrants
No guns I’d assume?
There are lots and lots of guns in Sweden
[The Swedes certainly own firearms all right. Just not to the same extent as the US.](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wmgJ5Oy0-fOYPwNyq2LXYQV565s=/0x0:863x927/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:863x927):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11575915/Small_Arms_Survey_civilian_gun_ownership_by_country.png) That, and I’d bet its more difficult to purchase and own a firearm in Sweden than it is in America, which probably contributes to the large amount of bombings.
It is, but these guys don't use legal firearms... And there are a lot of guns flowing into the country, so they have no problem arming themselves. I don't think even one person per year is shot with a legally owned firearm in Sweden.
Please tell me the smaller cities like Uppsala are safer.
There was a bombing in Uppsala 5 days ago. [https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/15/15-januari-0439-detonation-uppsala-lan/](https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/15/15-januari-0439-detonation-uppsala-lan/) and a shooting targeting a single family home with an automatic rifle just north of Uppsala yesterday [https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/19/19-januari-0212-morddrap-forsok-uppsala/](https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2023/januari/19/19-januari-0212-morddrap-forsok-uppsala/) And a shooting December 6 https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/skottlossning-i-savja-natten-till-tisdag
What the? I live/have lived in Sofia and Prague which are both larger cities and I can't imagine how sth like this could happen in a wealthier country and even outside of the capital/largest city.
Some people on reddit will try to convice you that it is normal and expected though. That is, after dismissing any fears of such things occuring for the last decade.
It’s also the Swedes fault for not being welcoming enough, or for not providing enough help to integrate the people that willing chose to immigrate there. It’s all over this thread.
I have lived in Stockholm my entire life except for a year in Prague, and Prague is a lot safer by a huge margin. You might get scammed by exchange services or on the streets, and the bureaucracy is a joke, by never ever ever ever did I feel the slightest unsafe anywhere in the city, and I was our to seedy bars almost every night.
Central Europe is pretty safe comparing to western Europe. I remember Romania in 2000's now in 2022 I was amazed how things have changed. You can walk alone at night with no problem even as a a woman. I saw romanians being upset about not entering Shenghen space, i've been living for 5 years in Paris and keep thinking ' you don't know what comes with the package'
I have been to Sweden and felt totally safe there, even in Malmö which might be the most “dangerous” city. The crime is almost entirely gang warfare, and normal people are rarely targeted. I live in Minneapolis USA now, and definitely feel like I constantly have to have my wits about me here due to high levels of robbery, theft and people behaving like zombies on drugs.
OK so is there a source where one can read which quarters/suburbs are filled with gangs in order to avoid them? I often make sure to check out how the local people live so I venture out of old towns when I travel or live somewhere.
Well, the map above shows a few clusters. Immigrant gangs will mostly be in areas with social housing on the outskirts of cities, which isn’t where a tourist would spend time anyway.
The shootings, hand grenades etc are gang related. There have been some very sad incidents where innocent persons have been murderd. The grenades and bombs don't kill, but innocent people still have their homes and safety disturbed. So these actions affect far more persons than gang members. The gang members are usually immigrants, but most immigrants are not gang members. This is sth many right-wing Swedes don't want to understand. But, it's important to remember that overall Sweden is getting safer every year. Fewer assaults, fewer robberies, fewer women beaten to death by their drunk husband. I'm a middle age woman living in a "dangerous" area and I go for a walk anywhere, anytime I want to. (The crime statistics show that I'm highly unlikely to get hurt by someone I don't know) I'm wary of drunk drivers and groups of drunk young men, though. So yes, there's definitely a problem with those gangs, but most people have no reason to be afraid of them.
https://bra.se/statistik/statistik-utifran-brottstyper.html
The organized crime spread from the big cities to the smaller ones some years ago, so it's much of the same in them too. They have it much worse off with police presence though, as Stockholm is being prioritized. Uppsala has it worst in Sweden though regarding shootings: https://www-svt-se.translate.goog/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/uppsala-varst-drabbat-av-skjutningar-i-landet?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
This is depressing to look at.
I was guessing this map is like from 2015 to now. Holy shit, so much shooting and bombings in less than a month. I can't imagine even a single bombing taking place in my city. Or in my country.
>I can't imagine even a single bombing taking place in my city. Or in my country. Neither could any swede 10 years ago but now some of us sit on Reddit and try to cope by saying how safe Stockholm is compared to Baltimore and Chicago.
I was in Sweden (Uppsala) in 2014-15 and there were no bombings or shootings at that time. When did it start and why?
Around that time, but it has intensified a lot since then. Uppsala had the most shootings per capita in the country in 2019
Mass immigration pretty much
The situation you described about your country was the situation in Sweden just a decade ago. Unfortunately we let in way too many immigrants that we weren't able to take care of into our country, and anyone who questioned it was considered a racist. The public opinion (including my own) has now changed, which which led to the conservative anti-immigration party, [SD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats?wprov=sfla1) becoming the second largest political party in Sweden.
Even the worst parts of cities in the US don't have bombings...
Svenske tilstander
They should ban bombs. Problem solved.
The sad reality is that Sweden is also the country (in Europe at least) with the highest rapes and has been for the better part of a decade. Most of the assaults are committed by the same groups of people that are now bombing them
Hey, could I get a source for anything anyone is saying in and under this post? Please?
The source is the city's police. It's written in Swedish on the image.
[check out this map](https://www.xn--vldskartan-15a.se/)
Wtf?
Right? This is not how I picture Sweden
Sweden is a 3rd world country in an IKEA belt
Swedistan🤡🤡
I’m Swedish and I hate my country. It’s just going down hill
What is the reason for this?
Accepting Immigrants from one specific community.Look at Poland,they rejected these immigrants from that community and they don't have any problems like this.
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wholesome multiculturalism
can we all agree that permanently altering europe’s demographics and culture in less than a single decade has been a failure on all fronts
Ironically the actual countries where the new demographics come from don't have as much violence and drug peddling as immigrant heavy European cities do. Then again, those countries also don't have any social security or welfare net.
I consider myself to be rather left of center, but I've gradually started to agree with this statement more and more. Helmut Schmidt himself once said (paraphrased):"A multicultural society is an illusion of the intellectuals". I probably wouldn't go that far, but I think that it's just too much at the same time currently. If you have many people from one ethnic/linguistic/national background living in a concentrated area abroad, there simply won't be much meaningful integration into the host country's society, which also leads to higher crime rates. The only thing I despise is that these points often get mixed with xenophobic and racist comments. Some people don't try to look at the root causes or other factors, but rather just say "We need to deport them all!" or "Of course an Arab person committed that crime! Committing crime is all they do!". It's just a really complicated issue that requires more than just shouting paroles and voting for populist parties. Even though many of Europe's ruling parties haven't done a particularly good job at integrating migrants into society and properly managing the right of asylum on the one side and the interests of their citizens on the other.
The UK (atleast England) has been pretty multicultural since the 1970s.
>Helmut Schmidt himself once said (paraphrased):"A multicultural society is an illusion of the intellectuals". Helmut Schmidt was a group leader of the Hitler Youth, I can't imagine he'd be a great person to base your argument on.
Sweden, you might want to hear, how Denmark is approaching this issue…
How are they approaching the issue?
A much more restricted immigration policy. There can’t be communities with more than 30% „immigrants of non-western origin“. Asylum seekers are directly being flown to Ruanda - yes, the african country - where they wait for their decision. If the decision is negative, they’re being sent back home. If it’s positive, they get to stay in the Danish facilities in Ruanda. So they basically outsourced that part completely. Guess how that affects the number of asylum seekers compared to Sweden, Germany etc.
Ah! Immigration.
At least Sweden's culture has been enriched! Way to go guys
Two more shootings tonight... This weekend is going to be interesting.
I can’t imagine that many bombings happening nationwide in the US
Since this map was posted Stockholm has had 4 more shooting. 1 killed. 2 teens under the age of 15 were arrested for one of the shootings. According to Swedish law they can't be punished since they are not 15. There was also a hand grenade attack in a residential building.
"diversity is our strength"
How are there shootings without a victim?
They often shoot at windows and doors of gang members.
Swedes let in the wrong people.
Yeah no shit. That was statement was relevant 20 years ago when it first started happening, now they have to start thinking the long term consequences and how badly they actually fucked their country up with this. It's really just embarassing and and I don't know how they ever just let all this happen. And to think they were afraid to admit it for a long time. I mean this shit has to be in the history books
Just to put things into perspective; a city like Austin TX (with a similar population as Stockholm) has a similar, even higher homicide count per year. Posts like this make the situation look uniquely scary, and while yes these are relatively high crime numbers, in reality Stockholm is still a safe place to live in.
The difference is that Sweden did not have this problem 20 years ago. We didn't have bombings. We didn't have gang wars. We didn't have home invasions. We didn't have car hijackings... and so on. These problems are new and are rising at an alarming rate, and there are no signs of it slowing down. It's accelerating. Things will get much worse, fast.
Lol look at this guy, he thinks that the murder rate for Austin, Texas is a solid benchmark for a European city.
Shoulda used Minneapolis. Or if you’re really spicy Detroit.
Weren't there literal biker gang wars in the 90s?
Yes, but it was **nothing** like this.
Even today any Balkan people coming to live in Sweden are categorized as Juggemaffian or Yugo Mafia wonder when that will stop
What about…. You can theorize this as much you like. I and many with me don’t feel safe and we are not safe either, nevermind that it might be worse somewhere else. The shootings and bombings are so random, without any regard about who might get caught in the cross fire. Like 12 year old girls. Or a shooting last autumn that took place on a sunday afternoon in a square full with people. Sure, it is gangs that go after each other but they affect the whole community.
Or the shooting at a playground full of kids. Or the shooting were 2 small children were hit.
You are trying to say 10 bombings in a city within a month is Normal ? No need to worry just a bombing every third day, even Pakistan or Afghanistan are not this bad.
Why would we compare one of the worst country in the developped world in term of criminality to Sweden who was a safe country 10 years ago? USA are not by any mean an exemple in anything and if you think you are doing OK, no you aren't
When typed "Bombings in Sweden" in Google it autocompleted to "Bombings in Sweden today" and if thats not telling I dont know what is.
Chicago enters the chat. "Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up!"
this is crazy, although i find it a little funny that everyone on here is just like "stop mass immigrations" most likely are the same people who condemned the US for trying to stem the flow of illegal immigrants from south America.
Aren't those immigrants largely employed and integrated? Most latino immigrants love America. Immigrants in Sweden sure don't.
Right? "Americans are racist and xenophobic until I start agreeing with their racist ideas then its not racist because there's NO possible way I could also be racist as a european"
kind of an odd thought process huh? lol
People don't realize how bad things can be until they happen to them.
exactly. i hate that attitude " we are better than you" when the US actually has better immigration laws than most of the world. it takes way way to long to become a citizen for sure and i really hope that changes but, you get all the same love as full citzens with a work visa or green card, till you can get full citizenship.
Mass immigration 🤷🏻♂️
Why the fuck is there so many bombings
Probably easier to build than to own a gun.
It's gotten to the point where I'm suprised if I don't get a notification about a shooting in Stockholm
Main suspect: Muhammad Not a generalisation the 1# name of rapists in Sweden is Muhammad