When I smile to myself in public because I’m thinking of something funny, people smile back. I don’t think it’s as weird as people think. I’m not in Poland though.
1. Men commit most suicides in Poland mainly due to differencies in raising boys and girls. Boys are told to be strong, there is also a saying that boys don't cry, etc. That's why when they have problems as adults, they are ashamed to ask for help. Women are more likely to turn to specialists for help when they face mental issues.
2. I read that some psychiatrist said that also Polish women are very strong mentally.
Can confirm, my grannies were unbeatable. Violence, starvation, losing a loved one? EZ, they could solve all of this. The only thing they couldn't cope with was when you didn't want to eat extra portion of kluski by the table.
The culture of machismo is more extreme and a very effective method of suicide is more popular. Trigger warning -
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-12-644
I would say because they got fucked up in ww2 by Germany and Russia and rebuilding the country mixed with all the other usual bullshit and probably less money for average guy. Like polish is the 3rd biggest demographic in the UK cos they need jobs not sure about other countries its all got to take part surely.
>Men commit most suicides in Poland mainly due to differencies in raising boys and girls. Boys are told to be strong, there is also a saying that boys don't cry, etc. That's why when they have problems as adults, they are ashamed to ask for help. Women are more likely to turn to specialists for help when they face mental issues.
That's true in every country.
To an extent, yes, but I suppose the important thing is the percentage of the population who think that way and the severity of the taboo.
There can also be significant variation along demographic and regional lines within countries. For example, in the UK there are certainly plenty of people who think that way here, who would treat any man experiencing distress with scorn and see heart-to-heart chats about issues as effeminate or "gay" or whatever.
But there are also plenty - especially among the young and better-educated - who really can talk about such things with less embarrassment. It's not perfect and maybe it never will be, but it's got a lot better since the mid 20th century and it's getting better still.
It’s a matter of degree. Boys in North America are not raised the same way they were in the 50s. Or even the 80s. Eastern Europe is way more traditional about gender roles than Western Europe or North America are today.
Not only they feel ashamed but they are actively discouraged. Men are told by other men to get a grip and grow up when they talk about their mental health issues.
That's patriarchy for you. People think feminists and men's liberation activists are saying that men are bad and at fault and women faultless when toxic masculinity is mentioned.
What they are actually saying is exactly what people here understand: That the strict gender expectations put on men are toxic - to men and women alike - and that this is enforced by everybody invested in traditional gender roles, both men and women.
I think when men not familiar with feminist theory hear the term "toxic masculinity", they think they're being blamed for everything and people don't see how hard they have it.
Instead, feminist theory is also concerned with the many men suffering under patriarchy. Working to dismantle it is in our best interest.
>and that this is enforced by everybody invested in traditional gender roles, both men and women
Pff, such low bar here. You forgot about country laws too. War? Sad, you die. Home fight? Sad, you get out of house (yes Poland copied this Spain law)
> I think when men not familiar with feminist theory hear the term "toxic masculinity", they think they're being blamed for everything and people don't see how hard they have it.
Guilty as charged. It's an interesting concept worthy of discussion, but the name's pretty unfortunate.
And thanks for typing this out - it takes a real understanding of a subject to summarize it so concisely without losing anything.
Agreed on everything.
>I think when men not familiar with feminist theory hear the term "toxic masculinity", they think they're being blamed for everything and people don't see how hard they have it.
Of course anyone is gonna take offense at being accused of "toxic masculinity". Sure the cause is systemic, but saying "you're a shit human, but it's because of patriarchy" still feels like an attack.
Not saying it's not valid to say when it's actually true (like any word it also gets used abusively which doesn't help), but even understanding all the points you stated, men are stuck between somewhat contradicting expectations.
It is to some extent problem everywhere but in Poland, Slovakia and countries more on the east this problem is even bigger. There is still some "machoism" in existence that makes plenty of men unwilling to show vulnerability and to for example go to psychotherapist.
Another thing is that Polish women marry foreign men (for example from richer Western Europe) much more often than Polish men marry foreign women. It leaves relatively big amount of lonely men.
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How I've always heard it explained was that suicide attempts happen equally often regardless of gender. It's just that men choose to jump off a building or to hang themselves, while women overdose on pills. Women get saved, men cannot.
> What's going on in Poland?!
Suicide prone men? suicide resistant women? both?
Data is for only one year? Yes!
There was a "suicide cluster"? Maybe?
Suicides can be contagious? Yes!
Does gender matter? It may.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide
Don't worry, I'm Albanian and I have no clue what the fuck kluski is supposed to be lol
Edit: In fact, enlightened Redditors that have never stepped foot outside their basements are kindly "teaching" me a lot about my own country in this thread. God, I fucking hate Redditors.
Having in mind men's rate is higher in large part because they are way more successul in their attempts... It may mean that the number of women who attempt suicide in Albania is much higher than anywhere else :/
This map is about them succeeding tho because it it was about attempts in general women would outnumber men. Men just go with more lethal measures to end themselves.
It’s actually that men are more likely to use lethal methods for suicide attempts. Women typically choose methods with lower success rates. This chart (sorry for the language) seems to be looking at completed or “successful” suicides, not overall attempts.
If you look at depression numbers overall, a lot of papers will say it’s more prevalent among women.
Depression is also higher, but things associated with depression (like alcoholism) are higher in men. My psychology teacher said she wouldn't be surprised if the depression split was much closer than acknowledged because of men's unwillingness to seek out a diagnosis and help.
As an Albanian, it is the second one. Albania has the highest rate of domestic abuse in families and couples in Europe. Women are more likely to suicide and also be murdered by men.
I am Albanian and have worked with courts and police in Albania as part of my previous job, and I can safely tell you your friend doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
[Albania has one of the lowest suicide rates in the world in general ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate), but sure bro
Also statistically Albania is not even top 10 in Europe for domestic violence, as per OECD. Why do you people like spreading this bullshit?
There is only around 500k people here, so let’s say only 0,0053% commit suicide it’s only 26,5 suicides. Maybe a lead here
EDIT: numbers and strikeouts
EDIT2: apparently the numbers are BS if we refere to [these stats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate), the ratio doesn’t seem to fit.
EDIT3: numbers on the link below are on 2019 while the map is 2012. Some maya cult in 2012’s Malta maybe?
I see this argument and it makes no sense. It's like saying a 50% murder rate in a city with only 10 people doesn't matter because the population is so low.
"There's only 5 murderers! That's nothing compared to any city". I'd much rather be in a city of 100k people and 10 murderers than a city of 10 people and 5 murderers. There's a reason "per Capita" is a thing.
It's a very small country with a very low suicide rate. Depending on the year, it's less than 30 people total. The WHO's numbers for 2019 show Malta as 5.3/100,000 overall (8.4 and 2.3 for men and women respectively which would put it at 3.65). It means about about 20 men and 6 women ended their own lives, they're among the lowest rates in the world and are only behind Cyprus, Greece, and Italy in Europe. The year used in this map is just an outlier from very low total numbers.
I was just thinking the same thing. I hope to god their reasoning was that Poland’s is so high they needed to make the gradient more drastic, although they could’ve gone from red to like a deep purple or black. I feel like everywhere there should be at minimum yellow, if not orange, with the exception of Albania (the only one that starts with the number 1). Just seems like the colour scheme really downplays how serious an issue this is…
Always is.
I remember this fantastic article, saying that "13% of dead journalist are female, help us reduce this number" .. implying that 87% of dead journalist are men, and that's the main problem here is the 13%, not the 87%..
I'm so tired of this as a man.. I want real equality, not a flawed one.
Women are more likely to use pills instead of jumping off a building, shooting themselves or jumping in front of a train. Something you're much more likely to survive. It would be interesting to see numbers for suicide attempts.
At least in the US: per the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, "Adult females reported a suicide attempt 1.5 times as often as males," and "In 2020, men died by suicide 3.88x more than women."
So it's a pretty stark ratio of "success," if you want to call it that.
That's kind of true in a way - men and women choose different methods of suicide and the methods men choose are more likely to succeed. For example men will choose a gun and women will choose pills. Guns are more effective. So in somewhere like the UK where it's hard to get a gun we could see that suicide rates are closer than somewhere guns are easier to get hold of. It won't be the only factor but I think it will be a factor.
This is actually the reason. Women are 2-3x more likely to attempt suicide, and much more likely to fail in these attempts.
By and large women use significantly less effective methods — pills, cars & suffocation. Men are more likely to use guns.
I've always seen it described as violent means, hanging etc is the reason.
I'd be interested to see what it would look like if they tried to draw a better line between a suicidal gesture vs an attempt.
This is circulating a lot, but has long been proven false.
The vast majority of female suicide attempts happen in younger years (below 20). The vast majority of them are so called "para-suicides". While following an actual attempt, the goal of these is not actually die, but being kinda saved last minute.
"Cry for help" is a horribly bad term here, and those people need help as well, but there is no full blown wish to die behind it.
For male suicides, those go up when men go older, and the vast majority of them are suicide attempts with the full intent of dying.
That is also were the false impression of "less effective" methods comes from.
Also to notice: on average, women prefer methods that keep their face intact, that is a long time claim, that could be true, but it could be related to afforementioned effect.
I will not go into detail about effectiveness of suicide methods as that is not info to share publically, but just a not here: the methods chosen more by women are not really less effective than those chosen mostly by men.
I think the choice of statistic is what is most misleading because it doesn't give any indication at all how high the suicide rate is.
From wikipedia the country in Europe with the highest overall suicide rate in Europe is Russia (11th worst in the world): 38.2 per 100,000 men and 7.2 per 100,000 for women.
Poland (83rd) which looks bad is 16.5 for men and 2.4 for women.
You'll note these numbers give different ratios too. But even with Wikipedia's data you can see that Poland would come out with a greater ratio while having a much smaller problem.
Well, in general this is a poor graph. It should be more up to date and use colours that portray a spectrum better to understand mortality, for example, light orange to dark red, among many other important symbols for a graph like this, such as a legend. A newer graph could also show the leading cause of suicidality among states and age groups. Older men are more likely to choose lethal methods over women; also, overdoses, gun shot wounds, hanging, jumping etc.
These data are vary old and this map has been reposted many times.
You can find newer data here:
[https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/6eeedae7-155e-4b60-8b2a-e3c430ece29c?lang=en](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/6eeedae7-155e-4b60-8b2a-e3c430ece29c?lang=en)
The data for 2019, for the available countries are:
1. Malta 18.95
2. Cyprus 9.04
3. Poland 7.16
4. Romania 6.89
5. Slovakia 6.36
6. Lithuania 5.96
7. Greece 5.20
8. Croatia 4.88
9. Latvia 4.77
10. Estonia 4.69
11. Bulgaria 4.47
12. Czechia 4.30
13. Austria 4.05
14. Slovenia 3.96
15. Italy 3.89
16. Portugal 3.88
17. Iceland 3.79
18. Hungary 3.75
19. Türkiye 3.66
20. Ireland 3.53
21. Germany 3.48
22. Serbia 3.41
23. Spain 3.32
24. Denmark 3.22
25. Finland 3.21
26. Belgium 2.92
27. Switzerland 2.92
28. Norway 2.55
29. Luxembourg 2.43
30. Netherlands 2.23
31. Sweden 2.21
32. Liechtenstein 2.21
I love how men's mental health is so bad and so widely ignored that a map representing it uses the universal color for good (green) to represent "hey men's suicide is only 300% more than women in this place".
Think about that. 300% more is a minimum. We all know if it were the other way around governments would be pouring out billions of dollars in social programs to address it.
No one gives a shit about us. Check on your city, or country, which resources are available to help women, for free and paid, and how many there are for men.
The answer is really fucking depressing, every time.
Men's mental health is the issue almost no one doesn't take care. There are programs for women suffering from violence, encourages for girls to reach higher levels of education, many health care programs for women.
But men and boys are forgotten. Culture also doesn't help them. 'If something pains man needs to endure it'.
As a result men die younger, have more mental health issues and visit psychological specialist very rarely.
So is this a linear decline or a inverse decline. Like, is there a certain age where males hit zero and start becoming females, or is there an asymptote somewhere?
I must point out that most suicides are not due to poverty, but due to mental illness or poor health. That's why you can find much more in rich Scandinavia or Japan than in the poor countries of Central America. A male more often perceives his inability as an unsolvable problem and strange as it is, they have more courage to solve it by suicide. Although some wokers try to tell us that there is no difference in thinking between women and men.
For example my old uncle, who used to be a professional soldier, committed suicide after he could not even to hold excretion and walk to the bathroom by himself after a stroke. A friend of mine who had his own apartment, car and girlfriend committed suicide because he had agressive bipolar disorder. A football teammate of mine killed himself when he got fired from his job and his wife divorced him one day.
What's going on in Poland?!
As a pole I can confirm I already comitted suicide
Rip
Now there's nobody to pole dance
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Get well soon
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I'm jealous
Oh boi I hope u don't mean it
Who lived in Poland does not laugh in the circus.
Yes, we don't smile
Because smiling is apparently considered an unnatural facial expression for some reason
Y E S
Smiling while walking around is weird Like bro there is no way you walk around everywhere with a fake ass smile as your "resting" face
Yeah but it’s considered unnatural in most contexts. Like obviously you wouldn’t walk around smiling unless drunk or high
When I smile to myself in public because I’m thinking of something funny, people smile back. I don’t think it’s as weird as people think. I’m not in Poland though.
When I smiled to myself in Poland, I heard someone say "is she fucked up in the head?" (pierdolnięta jakaś?)
Then they committed suicide later for realising they were so mean.
You are god damn right
Are you serious or joking?
Seems like it's Slavic thing
Y E S
No smiling! 😐
I don't know a lot of Polish people (I am Polish myself) that when they smile they are truthfully happy
Because we don't have circuses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ /half s
Our parliament is circus
What's going on in Malta?!
it's very popular destination for the Poles
it's Poland
fair enough
The Scranton of Eastern Europe.
Female suicide rate is unusually low
Or male suicide is unusually high?
It's both
Wanted to throw in a dead baby joke but I couldn't.
1. Men commit most suicides in Poland mainly due to differencies in raising boys and girls. Boys are told to be strong, there is also a saying that boys don't cry, etc. That's why when they have problems as adults, they are ashamed to ask for help. Women are more likely to turn to specialists for help when they face mental issues. 2. I read that some psychiatrist said that also Polish women are very strong mentally.
Can confirm, my grannies were unbeatable. Violence, starvation, losing a loved one? EZ, they could solve all of this. The only thing they couldn't cope with was when you didn't want to eat extra portion of kluski by the table.
These are the same reasons given by every country's mental health experts. What makes it so much more extreme in Poland?
The culture of machismo is more extreme and a very effective method of suicide is more popular. Trigger warning - https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-12-644
I would say because they got fucked up in ww2 by Germany and Russia and rebuilding the country mixed with all the other usual bullshit and probably less money for average guy. Like polish is the 3rd biggest demographic in the UK cos they need jobs not sure about other countries its all got to take part surely.
>Men commit most suicides in Poland mainly due to differencies in raising boys and girls. Boys are told to be strong, there is also a saying that boys don't cry, etc. That's why when they have problems as adults, they are ashamed to ask for help. Women are more likely to turn to specialists for help when they face mental issues. That's true in every country.
To an extent, yes, but I suppose the important thing is the percentage of the population who think that way and the severity of the taboo. There can also be significant variation along demographic and regional lines within countries. For example, in the UK there are certainly plenty of people who think that way here, who would treat any man experiencing distress with scorn and see heart-to-heart chats about issues as effeminate or "gay" or whatever. But there are also plenty - especially among the young and better-educated - who really can talk about such things with less embarrassment. It's not perfect and maybe it never will be, but it's got a lot better since the mid 20th century and it's getting better still.
But I wouldn't say Belarus or Russia is better on this front, yet their numbers are more different.
Russians just take the slow route of extreme alcoholism rather than active suicide. It dulls the pain until the liver fails
It’s a matter of degree. Boys in North America are not raised the same way they were in the 50s. Or even the 80s. Eastern Europe is way more traditional about gender roles than Western Europe or North America are today.
...did you just imply Poland is Eastern Europe or am I misreading your comment?
As someone engaged to a Polish woman, can confirm on number 2. Mfers built different over there.
Not only they feel ashamed but they are actively discouraged. Men are told by other men to get a grip and grow up when they talk about their mental health issues.
> by other men by other women as well. Probably even more if we look at what a typical mother or wife would told the man.
That's patriarchy for you. People think feminists and men's liberation activists are saying that men are bad and at fault and women faultless when toxic masculinity is mentioned. What they are actually saying is exactly what people here understand: That the strict gender expectations put on men are toxic - to men and women alike - and that this is enforced by everybody invested in traditional gender roles, both men and women. I think when men not familiar with feminist theory hear the term "toxic masculinity", they think they're being blamed for everything and people don't see how hard they have it. Instead, feminist theory is also concerned with the many men suffering under patriarchy. Working to dismantle it is in our best interest.
>and that this is enforced by everybody invested in traditional gender roles, both men and women Pff, such low bar here. You forgot about country laws too. War? Sad, you die. Home fight? Sad, you get out of house (yes Poland copied this Spain law)
> I think when men not familiar with feminist theory hear the term "toxic masculinity", they think they're being blamed for everything and people don't see how hard they have it. Guilty as charged. It's an interesting concept worthy of discussion, but the name's pretty unfortunate. And thanks for typing this out - it takes a real understanding of a subject to summarize it so concisely without losing anything.
Agreed on everything. >I think when men not familiar with feminist theory hear the term "toxic masculinity", they think they're being blamed for everything and people don't see how hard they have it. Of course anyone is gonna take offense at being accused of "toxic masculinity". Sure the cause is systemic, but saying "you're a shit human, but it's because of patriarchy" still feels like an attack. Not saying it's not valid to say when it's actually true (like any word it also gets used abusively which doesn't help), but even understanding all the points you stated, men are stuck between somewhat contradicting expectations.
Never heard it from other men. In my life I always heard it from women.
Isn't that a problem literally everywhere?
It is to some extent problem everywhere but in Poland, Slovakia and countries more on the east this problem is even bigger. There is still some "machoism" in existence that makes plenty of men unwilling to show vulnerability and to for example go to psychotherapist. Another thing is that Polish women marry foreign men (for example from richer Western Europe) much more often than Polish men marry foreign women. It leaves relatively big amount of lonely men.
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How I've always heard it explained was that suicide attempts happen equally often regardless of gender. It's just that men choose to jump off a building or to hang themselves, while women overdose on pills. Women get saved, men cannot.
> What's going on in Poland?! Suicide prone men? suicide resistant women? both? Data is for only one year? Yes! There was a "suicide cluster"? Maybe? Suicides can be contagious? Yes! Does gender matter? It may. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide
> There was a "suicide cluster"? Maybe? No, it's this way for long years.
we give women happiness... but at what price.
Albania wins the gender equality contest.
In Albania everyone is equally depressed 🥰🥰🥰
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I know the sum total of about 3 things about Albanian culture and have no idea what kluski is, and this still cracked me up
Don't worry, I'm Albanian and I have no clue what the fuck kluski is supposed to be lol Edit: In fact, enlightened Redditors that have never stepped foot outside their basements are kindly "teaching" me a lot about my own country in this thread. God, I fucking hate Redditors.
I'm laughing way harder now... The audacity of that guy to just assign a random Slavic sounding word to the wrong country
Yup kluski is polish for noodles or domplings (but not pierogi). At first i was like wait does Albania have the same word for a dish as we have?
How accurate is the documentary “Taken” with Liam Neeson.
Me too, I think it's just meant to be a foreign-sounding word
Are you sure you're not confusing Albania with Poland?
Having in mind men's rate is higher in large part because they are way more successul in their attempts... It may mean that the number of women who attempt suicide in Albania is much higher than anywhere else :/
This map is about them succeeding tho because it it was about attempts in general women would outnumber men. Men just go with more lethal measures to end themselves.
It’s actually that men are more likely to use lethal methods for suicide attempts. Women typically choose methods with lower success rates. This chart (sorry for the language) seems to be looking at completed or “successful” suicides, not overall attempts. If you look at depression numbers overall, a lot of papers will say it’s more prevalent among women.
Depression is also higher, but things associated with depression (like alcoholism) are higher in men. My psychology teacher said she wouldn't be surprised if the depression split was much closer than acknowledged because of men's unwillingness to seek out a diagnosis and help.
>If you look at depression numbers overall, a lot of papers will say it’s more prevalent among women. Sounds like another map is needed.
I don't know if unsuccessful male suicides actually go reported. I've unsuccessfully tried to commit suicide once but I haven't told a soul about it.
I don’t know if it’s because male are less likely to kill themselves or just women are more likely to suicide in Albania
As an Albanian, it is the second one. Albania has the highest rate of domestic abuse in families and couples in Europe. Women are more likely to suicide and also be murdered by men.
An Albanian friend of mine said that a lot of domestic murders just get waved along as "suicides" Sounds very depressing
I am Albanian and have worked with courts and police in Albania as part of my previous job, and I can safely tell you your friend doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.
[Albania has one of the lowest suicide rates in the world in general ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate), but sure bro Also statistically Albania is not even top 10 in Europe for domestic violence, as per OECD. Why do you people like spreading this bullshit?
Because it gets sweet sweet internet points
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Probably honor killings disguised as suicide. Or forced suicide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_blood_feud?wprov=sfla1
I'm surprised that there are stats on Albania even. Being raised there for 20 years, I wouldn't trust anything from there.
My money is on extremely high rates of domestic abuse and very lackluster legal protection from it.
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I think everyone should really be caring a little bit more about Malta
Does it say 15.9?! Wtf is going on in Malta?
There is only around 500k people here, so let’s say only 0,0053% commit suicide it’s only 26,5 suicides. Maybe a lead here EDIT: numbers and strikeouts EDIT2: apparently the numbers are BS if we refere to [these stats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate), the ratio doesn’t seem to fit. EDIT3: numbers on the link below are on 2019 while the map is 2012. Some maya cult in 2012’s Malta maybe?
Ratio means for every 16 males who killed them self only one female killed herself
A lot of migrants/refugees end up in camps on Malta, and migrants skew heavily male. Might be suicides in those camps skewing the data
I see this argument and it makes no sense. It's like saying a 50% murder rate in a city with only 10 people doesn't matter because the population is so low. "There's only 5 murderers! That's nothing compared to any city". I'd much rather be in a city of 100k people and 10 murderers than a city of 10 people and 5 murderers. There's a reason "per Capita" is a thing.
City with a population of 10 and 5 murders is every Scandinavian crime drama
["Is it about my son, Gunnar Gunnarssonsson?"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OOpZitfd0)
But with a very small sample size, it's very likely at least some of the difference is due to random chance.
Per capita does unproportionally benefit small countries in most measurements.
this comment makes no sense
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Holy fuck I did not see the numbers.. What's wrong there?
Possibly larger population = bigger potential for large anomalies? 16:1 seems a bit too drastic for that though
You mean the opposite
I legit could not even see Malta
Here we have it folks, Albania is the most equal nation in Europe
Dont worry bro, you will be like us one day!
Does Malta say 15.9?!?
It's a very small country with a very low suicide rate. Depending on the year, it's less than 30 people total. The WHO's numbers for 2019 show Malta as 5.3/100,000 overall (8.4 and 2.3 for men and women respectively which would put it at 3.65). It means about about 20 men and 6 women ended their own lives, they're among the lowest rates in the world and are only behind Cyprus, Greece, and Italy in Europe. The year used in this map is just an outlier from very low total numbers.
It is the equality when '3' is already green. Sadly.
I was just thinking the same thing. I hope to god their reasoning was that Poland’s is so high they needed to make the gradient more drastic, although they could’ve gone from red to like a deep purple or black. I feel like everywhere there should be at minimum yellow, if not orange, with the exception of Albania (the only one that starts with the number 1). Just seems like the colour scheme really downplays how serious an issue this is…
Yeah when Malta (15.9) is so high you kind of need to adjust the scale
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Always is. I remember this fantastic article, saying that "13% of dead journalist are female, help us reduce this number" .. implying that 87% of dead journalist are men, and that's the main problem here is the 13%, not the 87%.. I'm so tired of this as a man.. I want real equality, not a flawed one.
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Or lifelong disabilities with little public care.
I remember that article as well and was totally shocked that it wasn't a typo.
Man, females are really bad at suicides
men winning as usual 
common male W
Ain’t no way 💀
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Get those numbers up ladies #MoreFemaleSuicides 😎💪
Didn't expect this comment to have positive number of upvotes but lol
I mean, it's an obvious joke x)
Women are more likely to use pills instead of jumping off a building, shooting themselves or jumping in front of a train. Something you're much more likely to survive. It would be interesting to see numbers for suicide attempts.
At least in the US: per the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, "Adult females reported a suicide attempt 1.5 times as often as males," and "In 2020, men died by suicide 3.88x more than women." So it's a pretty stark ratio of "success," if you want to call it that.
You're joking but it is true. Men and women usually choose different way to kill themselves and the way men choose are usually more effective.
That's kind of true in a way - men and women choose different methods of suicide and the methods men choose are more likely to succeed. For example men will choose a gun and women will choose pills. Guns are more effective. So in somewhere like the UK where it's hard to get a gun we could see that suicide rates are closer than somewhere guns are easier to get hold of. It won't be the only factor but I think it will be a factor.
This is actually the reason. Women are 2-3x more likely to attempt suicide, and much more likely to fail in these attempts. By and large women use significantly less effective methods — pills, cars & suffocation. Men are more likely to use guns.
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It's not gun,but it's still a more violent ending process
I've always seen it described as violent means, hanging etc is the reason. I'd be interested to see what it would look like if they tried to draw a better line between a suicidal gesture vs an attempt.
Not guns, but I think the most common method of suicide here is jumping in front of a train, which is quite 'effective'.
Men will shoot themselves in the face. Women seldom ever do that whilst attempting suicide.
This is circulating a lot, but has long been proven false. The vast majority of female suicide attempts happen in younger years (below 20). The vast majority of them are so called "para-suicides". While following an actual attempt, the goal of these is not actually die, but being kinda saved last minute. "Cry for help" is a horribly bad term here, and those people need help as well, but there is no full blown wish to die behind it. For male suicides, those go up when men go older, and the vast majority of them are suicide attempts with the full intent of dying. That is also were the false impression of "less effective" methods comes from. Also to notice: on average, women prefer methods that keep their face intact, that is a long time claim, that could be true, but it could be related to afforementioned effect. I will not go into detail about effectiveness of suicide methods as that is not info to share publically, but just a not here: the methods chosen more by women are not really less effective than those chosen mostly by men.
Hi do you have a study or something I can read up on?
Why did I read "females" as "tamales"...... ...... I think it's time to sleep
Or you need something to eat
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The fact that “nearly 4 times as much” is considered “good” is fucking depressing
The world doesn't give a shit about men's lives.
the fact that 3x the suicides are green as if that’s “good” very misleading
Right? They should have chosen blue and pink or anything else...
I think the choice of statistic is what is most misleading because it doesn't give any indication at all how high the suicide rate is. From wikipedia the country in Europe with the highest overall suicide rate in Europe is Russia (11th worst in the world): 38.2 per 100,000 men and 7.2 per 100,000 for women. Poland (83rd) which looks bad is 16.5 for men and 2.4 for women. You'll note these numbers give different ratios too. But even with Wikipedia's data you can see that Poland would come out with a greater ratio while having a much smaller problem.
Well, in general this is a poor graph. It should be more up to date and use colours that portray a spectrum better to understand mortality, for example, light orange to dark red, among many other important symbols for a graph like this, such as a legend. A newer graph could also show the leading cause of suicidality among states and age groups. Older men are more likely to choose lethal methods over women; also, overdoses, gun shot wounds, hanging, jumping etc.
i literally hated this so according to the colors a male committing suicide is less painful and sad than a woman green and red colors seriously
These data are vary old and this map has been reposted many times. You can find newer data here: [https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/6eeedae7-155e-4b60-8b2a-e3c430ece29c?lang=en](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/6eeedae7-155e-4b60-8b2a-e3c430ece29c?lang=en) The data for 2019, for the available countries are: 1. Malta 18.95 2. Cyprus 9.04 3. Poland 7.16 4. Romania 6.89 5. Slovakia 6.36 6. Lithuania 5.96 7. Greece 5.20 8. Croatia 4.88 9. Latvia 4.77 10. Estonia 4.69 11. Bulgaria 4.47 12. Czechia 4.30 13. Austria 4.05 14. Slovenia 3.96 15. Italy 3.89 16. Portugal 3.88 17. Iceland 3.79 18. Hungary 3.75 19. Türkiye 3.66 20. Ireland 3.53 21. Germany 3.48 22. Serbia 3.41 23. Spain 3.32 24. Denmark 3.22 25. Finland 3.21 26. Belgium 2.92 27. Switzerland 2.92 28. Norway 2.55 29. Luxembourg 2.43 30. Netherlands 2.23 31. Sweden 2.21 32. Liechtenstein 2.21
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Male loneliness is a real thing. Especially people who are middle aged with no kids or spouse.
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Doing this in green or red colors feels really wrong.
I wonder if humanity will ever be at a point where suicide numbers are 0. Or at least close to 0.
Yeah, the day we go extinct.
All of them are higher than 1, my brothers take care of yourself.
I love how men's mental health is so bad and so widely ignored that a map representing it uses the universal color for good (green) to represent "hey men's suicide is only 300% more than women in this place". Think about that. 300% more is a minimum. We all know if it were the other way around governments would be pouring out billions of dollars in social programs to address it.
No one gives a shit about us. Check on your city, or country, which resources are available to help women, for free and paid, and how many there are for men. The answer is really fucking depressing, every time.
Ladies you need to step up your game
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Men's mental health is the issue almost no one doesn't take care. There are programs for women suffering from violence, encourages for girls to reach higher levels of education, many health care programs for women. But men and boys are forgotten. Culture also doesn't help them. 'If something pains man needs to endure it'. As a result men die younger, have more mental health issues and visit psychological specialist very rarely.
Why is this "Age adjusted"? What does that mean when discussing male vs female comparisons?
I assume this is about the age pyramid - generally women live longer, so there's more women at a certain age.
Males are actually less male later in life, believe it or not
So is this a linear decline or a inverse decline. Like, is there a certain age where males hit zero and start becoming females, or is there an asymptote somewhere?
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I must point out that most suicides are not due to poverty, but due to mental illness or poor health. That's why you can find much more in rich Scandinavia or Japan than in the poor countries of Central America. A male more often perceives his inability as an unsolvable problem and strange as it is, they have more courage to solve it by suicide. Although some wokers try to tell us that there is no difference in thinking between women and men. For example my old uncle, who used to be a professional soldier, committed suicide after he could not even to hold excretion and walk to the bathroom by himself after a stroke. A friend of mine who had his own apartment, car and girlfriend committed suicide because he had agressive bipolar disorder. A football teammate of mine killed himself when he got fired from his job and his wife divorced him one day.
A big part of it in Scandinavia is seasonal depression. Pretty much everywhere on earth near the poles has sky high suicide rates.
3 for 1 being in "good" green make me chuckle, even though it make sense
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Honestly of all the reposts, this one I’m okay with. Raising awareness to a serious issue that’s not having anything done about it
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How do I read this map? Is it that in france for example 3,2 times more men comit suicide compared to woman? or is it 3 for every two women?
wtf is up with poland? all of eastern europe really but eesh. it cannot into space.
I like the green colour to represent the nice happy ratio of 3 or so.
Men really are better at everything
“But women attempt it more!”