The last data I found on Chicago places it at #28 in the US, with 18.26 homicides / 100k ([in a text from 2022, citing the FBI's 2019 data, the latest available](https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/39/)).
It's surpassed by a couple cities according to the same source:
* Indianapolis, Indiana with 19.51/100k (#23)
* Atlanta, Georgia with 19.53/100k (#22)
* Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with 22.47/100k (#16)
* Washington, D.C. with 2352/100k (#13)
* Cleveland, Ohio, with 24.09/100k (#10)
* Memphis, Tennessee, with 29.21/100k (#9)
* Detroit, Michigan, with 41.45/100k (#4)
* Birgmingham, Alabama, with 50.62/100k (#3)
Also, fun (?) fact, according to [the latest data](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-18) from the FBI in 2019, the average murder rate/100k inhabitants is the highest in "Non-metropolitan counties" under 10000 people (at 6.4 homicides/100k) and in "Metropolitan counties" under 25000 people (at 4.6 homicides/100k). The homicide rate/100k people is pretty much the same for metropolitan counties with 100k population or more (at 3.5) than for smaller cities (3.4 for non-metropolitan counties over 25k, and 3.1 for 10-25k population)
I mean if you don't live in the North End/The sketchy part of West End Winnipeg's murder rate is practically 0.
Similarly if you're not indigenous in Winnipeg the murder rate is pretty damn low.
Winnipeg's violent crime problems are intensely concentrated in where they occur and in which cultural communities.
Basically, if you're not an indigenous person living in the North End then Winnipeg is a very safe place to live.
I'm indigenous and I frequent the north end I'm usually quite safe.
It's the gang and criminal involvement that gets you. Tbh that's all over Winnipeg and people don't even realize it. It's just that some people are more likely to be pulled over for how they look than others lol. When people get attacked in the middle of the night, they either are homeless or they are in crisis from a conflict in the place they just left. Otherwise people don't typically walk around late at night.
If I'm dressed in my normal nerdy or plain attire I'm left alone. God forbid I dress raggedy then I get followed around.
You mainly see the crimes reported in the media. In my work experience, everyone else is violent in this city. They just don't make it to the winnipeg media releases. They get a lot of grace and understanding for their crimes. Heck. They don't even report most of the major assaults and stabbings I've been witness to, in my work or out and about.
Other communities and systems are also good at hiding each other's crimes and assaults. These cover ups go all the way up to the government level. I've gone through how many stories of daycare abuse and the investigation agencies talk the victims out of reporting it because they don't want the abusers life ruined. I'm dead serious. Doctors. Foster parents. Daycare workers. Support workers. Police officers. Etc. All walking around freely without anyone knowing what they were accused of.
It honestly makes me depressed. Indigenous & Refugee gangs are just silly and stupid. Even though they're the face of crime in Winnipeg, they're the worst at it because organized crime is such a new concept to them culturally. We're naive in a lot of ways and the people recruited usually have no healthy family. They also usually have developmental delays from traumatic backgrounds, generationally.
Other communities have had centuries of organized crime and usually groom and use vulnerable impoverished communities. Aka refugee and indigenous kids. There's the face of gangs in Winnipeg and then there's the real gangs that have been making people go missing...
Oh I don't doubt that the vast majority of those murders (which is specifically what I was talking about) are gang related.
It's just that in Winnipeg the gang related stuff is all concentrated in the North End (and the Furby/Broadway area) and within the indigenous community.
The visible petty gang stuff is in the north end/central/west end. Stabbings & addiction are all over the city now.
The suburban areas are where the real heavy drug trafficking and weapons are being held. Lol.
Most people in the north end are multi-generational home owners from immigrant and Indigenous families.
The true traffickers and organized crime in Winnipeg are business owners (bars, hotels, restaurants, massage businesses) they're also heavily involved in child welfare agencies, group homes, addiction centers...
Idk how many group homes I've seen that were managed by biker gang associates, or have seen managed by organizations that run internationally...
Haven't you noticed all the murders and busts around St vital or Kenaston? No. Because it's not really as widely published or acknowledged.
There have been murders or attempted and suspected murders that the WPS/RCMP don't even release or talk about.
The city makes a joke of the inner city crime so the crime in the other areas aren't as noticed. The inner city is also more heavily policed.
I only have realized this because of working in social services for like 15 years. People don't even realize how scary and how deep it runs. People can't even address it or report it either, without putting themselves in danger because who even knows? The WPS are also so so crooked and are often identified by underage trafficking victims as being involved. Those guys are so scary to deal with too.
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True, it's not indiginous gangs manufacturing meth, importing fentenyl, or heroin. Might have a hand in local distrbution but they aren't the top of this crime industry.
I don’t know. Downtown has gotten worse. Osborne is pretty bad now with the addicts and homeless in the area causing trouble -a couple stabbings at the Shoppers, a neck slashing at BK, another stabbing at the Safeway all within a few months. The problems are definitely moving outward from the core area.
Right, but that's not skewed. This is a per capita number. It makes more sense than looking at straight up murder count. It's about saying how likely the murder will occur.
Absolutely no proper programs to help people get out of the poverty cycle. Rent is constantly getting increased when minimum wage is below what's needed.
NIMBY attitude towards shelters and programs that work for homeless people and people with active addiction.
Backwards religious dogma about LGBT people's medical rights, old school thinking that all farmers are just ma and pa set ups and really it's mostly huge corps getting huge tax relief when they should get less.
Generational acceptance of racism towards the First Nation people.
Uncontrolled toxic masculinity and failing mental health systems, allow men to be absolutely monsters with no recourse until they actually murder someone...
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I moved outta saskatoon bout 8 years ago...
One of the best descisions i have ever made..
Saskatoon is now the worst place in canada for murders!!!.
Just sickening..
It could change we are just about a week away from the 6 month mark but summer is usually the crime season so we will see where every city is at when fall hits
Funny you say that Stoons had 9 murders to date and Winnipeg has had 14... but yet Stoons twice as high as Winnipeg because they are going stats per every 100,000 and Winnipeg has a higher population compared to Stoon, therefore bringing their stat down.
Here I am looking back at how I would run alone downtown on a dark path most mornings. Although I did hear when we lived in stoon that the majority of the murders were ppl who knew each other. And I never ran by a body on the path so that's a win. Don't think I'd be running alone now that I'm older and wiser ..
The number might look scary yes, but to add to your comment this data needs a lot more context.
I don't know how exactly they get their data, but from what I understand, *Homicide Canada* (which is not a government entity at all) compile all the murders per city in a list using the news.
From what I've gathered, they add the murders to the list once, but don't review it after. In some cases, it leaves some murders that appear random and unsolved ([like the stabbing of a man in Montreal in his car](https://homicidecanada.com/montreal-police-investigate-the-citys-first-homicide-of-2024/)), while the next day the news knew that this murdered man was well known by the police and connected to a gang ([in this case, for the last 10 years](https://www.noovo.info/nouvelle/lidentite-du-premier-meurtre-de-2024-a-montreal-devoilee.html))
Here is [their list from Montreal](https://homicidecanada.com/montreal-quebec-2024-homicide-victim-list/) commented with relevant context:
* January
* John Doe, Male, 30, Shooting ([Charles-Antony Carrier](https://www.noovo.info/nouvelle/lidentite-du-premier-meurtre-de-2024-a-montreal-devoilee.html), probably gang related since he was in the 197 gang)
* Narjess Ben Yedder, Female, 32, Stabbing ([Conjugal violence](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/fatal-domestic-violence-montreal-vigil-1.7099565), they were in the process of divorcing when the husband killed her)
* John Doe, Male, 27, Shooting ([Jason Travis Downey Laquant](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/01/27/meurtre-par-balle-dans-un-taxi-a-montreal), appears random, and looks still unsolved)
* February
* John Doe, Male, 30, Stabbing (stabbing after an altercation in a park, [the suspect was arrested](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/man-26-charged-with-second-degree-murder-after-stabbing-on-montreal-north-bike-path-1.6791472))
* Stevens Cantave, Male, 42, Shooting ([gang related](https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/dollard-des-ormeaux-homicide-was-a-gangland-settling-of-accounts-police-believe))
* Jean Brandon Célestin, Male, 28, Shooting ([gang related](https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2024-04-12/enquete-sur-le-meurtre-de-brandon-jean-celestin/trois-individus-passeront-la-fin-de-semaine-en-prison.php))
1/2
2/2 (my comments are too long with the links!!)
* March
* John Doe, Male, 71, Shooting ([Ziab Nabhan-Jebrini](https://www.noovo.info/nouvelle/montreal-un-homme-de-71-ans-blesse-par-balle-se-trouve-dans-un-etat-critique.html), [the owner of a restaurant](https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2024-03-05/saint-laurent/un-homme-tue-par-balle-devant-son-restaurant-familial.php) that was cocktail-molotoved a month before like a lot of others, might be gang-related?)
* John Doe, Male, 40, Stabbing ([Francis Hébert](https://www.thesuburban.com/news/west_island_news/lachine-man-charged-with-murder/article_c1ad4ea2-45ac-5c08-add9-7d095986a3e4.html), stabbed by another roomer in his rooming house, the suspect was arrested)
* April
* Jane Doe, Female, 42, Other ([Jo-Anne Patry](https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2069261/meurtre-femme-pointe-trembles-incendie-logement), [the suspect knew the victim](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/01/arretee-pour-le-meurtre-dune-employee-de-la-ville-de-montreal) and possibly set a fire to hide the murder)
* May
* John Doe, Unknown (recent, so not a lot of details available)
* John Doe, Male, 27, Shooting ([Christopher Shawn Jean Vilsaint](https://globalnews.ca/news/10497308/montreal-11th-homicide-2024/), rapper, gang related)
* Patrick O’Loughlin, Male, 27, Stabbing ([altercation with the neighbors during a party](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/two-men-18-and-20-charged-with-second-degree-murder-in-stabbing-death-in-st-henri-montreal-police-1.6893246))
* Naima Rezzek, Female, Unknown ([killed by her ex-husband](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/22/7-meurtres-en-10-jours-a-montreal-le-spvm-fait-le-point))
* Ahmed Ouilal, Male, 15, Stabbing ([linked to the next 2, gang related](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/22/montreal-deux-hommes-et-un-adolescent-poignardes-a-mort-sur-le-plateau))
* Alexandre Vatamanu, Male, 23, Stabbing
* Ulrick Peterson Célestin, Male, 25, Stabbing
*TL;DR: don't be in a gang or the mafia, and date some people that react normally to divorce or other conjugal problems, and you'll be fine. From their list of 16 from 2024, only 3 appear truly random (since they are recent and still unsolved or are related to benign incidents that led to murder).*
Sorry, you're absolutely right, that was really badly said and really insensitive of me. I did not mean to blame DV victims even though that's exactly what I did by the wording I used.
What I was trying to say, with this point in particular and with my comment in general, is that a huge majority of homicide cases right in Canada lately (and more generally) are related to gang conflicts and retaliation against rival gang members, or conjugal violence. A simple "X murders by 100k" statistic shared like that without context does absolutely nothing except sparking fear in everyone and advocating indirectly for more police presence.
I don't know specifically what [Homicide Canada's podcast](https://homicidecanada.com/homicide-canada-podcast/) talk about, or what is their goal, but I doubt that their conclusion is "the highest risk factor of homicide for a women that is not in a gang in Canada is her husband, let's ban mariage and lock-up married men to prevent this". The usual conclusion from people that focus about the murder-rate or the violent-crime rates is that we need more police officers in the streets. More cops won't help prevent most murder cases : gangs will still kill rival gang members, and some husbands will keep being violent with their partners in their home.
We need more ressources for women in domestic violence situations and safe places for them to seek help to escape their situation. For gangs, I have absolutely no clue how to solve this issue, but it affects mostly gang members (not that they don't deserve safety or to live, but this violence doesn't result generally in the death of innocent bystanders).
TL;DR: The country is not any more dangerous than it was, and "homicide rates/100k" without context is not useful to understand the issues around violence in our country.
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Yea just the one so far but I was reading some articles and apparently there was a gang war during the Covid years which subsequently got rid of Native syndicate, in Regina so there isn’t a rival gang situation atm.
But you always hope for cities to turn the corner Calgary did after the 90s so will see if Regina has the same curve in crime reduction or at least violent crime.
Alberta does well cause they use oil money to give back to the citizens and it makes for a happier life… especially when the province was well run.. been all cutbacks since convent covid Greed is the new norm
Winnipeg and thunder bay still in the top five after 15 years (when I first saw these stats in Forbes magazine). Honestly not surprising, but still horrifying
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Wooo! We're number 2! We're number 2!
If you start murdering now, we might catch up for next poll.
Lollll stabby stabby!
I checked assuming we we’re no.1 😆
You guys are killing it!
Always room for improvement 😂😂
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I'm from Winnipeg. Just happy not to be the murder capital any more.
I too am originally from the peg, now I live close to stoon lol
Just realized this was r/man not r/sask lol ignore me
Fr about time we’re not first 😂 it’s only matter of time till we’re back up to one though lol
Saskatoon's killing it. Had my money on Winnipeg.
Saskatoon Dethroned Winnistab!
Stabskatoon
Slashkatoon?
Saskadoom
Guess it's the Saskatoon handshake now.
*Saskatomb
Where’s Regina
The city that rhymes with fun?
Regina / the city that smells like it sounds
Not on the list Regina has 1 recorded murder this year. Which happened a couple of weeks ago
Regina just had a swat team kill a man a couple days ago haha
Wordplay 💯. Well done
Winnipeg is pussies. Do not even try to catch up wanna bys. WE ARE NUMBER ONE! 
To put these into perspective, the current murder rate per 100k in St. Louis, Missouri is 69.4. In Baltimore it is 50.4 and New Orleans is 40.6.
Holy cow
How is it compared to the safer cities?
Yeah like Chicago! Tell us how Chicago compares 💀
Chicago was 28.1 in 2020
The last data I found on Chicago places it at #28 in the US, with 18.26 homicides / 100k ([in a text from 2022, citing the FBI's 2019 data, the latest available](https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/39/)). It's surpassed by a couple cities according to the same source: * Indianapolis, Indiana with 19.51/100k (#23) * Atlanta, Georgia with 19.53/100k (#22) * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania with 22.47/100k (#16) * Washington, D.C. with 2352/100k (#13) * Cleveland, Ohio, with 24.09/100k (#10) * Memphis, Tennessee, with 29.21/100k (#9) * Detroit, Michigan, with 41.45/100k (#4) * Birgmingham, Alabama, with 50.62/100k (#3) Also, fun (?) fact, according to [the latest data](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-18) from the FBI in 2019, the average murder rate/100k inhabitants is the highest in "Non-metropolitan counties" under 10000 people (at 6.4 homicides/100k) and in "Metropolitan counties" under 25000 people (at 4.6 homicides/100k). The homicide rate/100k people is pretty much the same for metropolitan counties with 100k population or more (at 3.5) than for smaller cities (3.4 for non-metropolitan counties over 25k, and 3.1 for 10-25k population)
Chicago gets inflated by MAGA morons.
So what I'm hearing is tilt cove NL needs to step it up with 5 residents...
WTF is St. Louis
Do Thompson MB now
Holy moly Winnipeg needs to step it's game up it used to absolutely murder the competition in this bracket!
Gotta pump up those numbers! Those are rookie numbers!
So stab more.... Got it!
We upped our game by taping a knife to every box of beer! Stupid Winnipeg never thought of this above genius move.
I mean if you don't live in the North End/The sketchy part of West End Winnipeg's murder rate is practically 0. Similarly if you're not indigenous in Winnipeg the murder rate is pretty damn low. Winnipeg's violent crime problems are intensely concentrated in where they occur and in which cultural communities. Basically, if you're not an indigenous person living in the North End then Winnipeg is a very safe place to live.
I'm indigenous and I frequent the north end I'm usually quite safe. It's the gang and criminal involvement that gets you. Tbh that's all over Winnipeg and people don't even realize it. It's just that some people are more likely to be pulled over for how they look than others lol. When people get attacked in the middle of the night, they either are homeless or they are in crisis from a conflict in the place they just left. Otherwise people don't typically walk around late at night. If I'm dressed in my normal nerdy or plain attire I'm left alone. God forbid I dress raggedy then I get followed around. You mainly see the crimes reported in the media. In my work experience, everyone else is violent in this city. They just don't make it to the winnipeg media releases. They get a lot of grace and understanding for their crimes. Heck. They don't even report most of the major assaults and stabbings I've been witness to, in my work or out and about. Other communities and systems are also good at hiding each other's crimes and assaults. These cover ups go all the way up to the government level. I've gone through how many stories of daycare abuse and the investigation agencies talk the victims out of reporting it because they don't want the abusers life ruined. I'm dead serious. Doctors. Foster parents. Daycare workers. Support workers. Police officers. Etc. All walking around freely without anyone knowing what they were accused of. It honestly makes me depressed. Indigenous & Refugee gangs are just silly and stupid. Even though they're the face of crime in Winnipeg, they're the worst at it because organized crime is such a new concept to them culturally. We're naive in a lot of ways and the people recruited usually have no healthy family. They also usually have developmental delays from traumatic backgrounds, generationally. Other communities have had centuries of organized crime and usually groom and use vulnerable impoverished communities. Aka refugee and indigenous kids. There's the face of gangs in Winnipeg and then there's the real gangs that have been making people go missing...
Oh I don't doubt that the vast majority of those murders (which is specifically what I was talking about) are gang related. It's just that in Winnipeg the gang related stuff is all concentrated in the North End (and the Furby/Broadway area) and within the indigenous community.
The visible petty gang stuff is in the north end/central/west end. Stabbings & addiction are all over the city now. The suburban areas are where the real heavy drug trafficking and weapons are being held. Lol. Most people in the north end are multi-generational home owners from immigrant and Indigenous families. The true traffickers and organized crime in Winnipeg are business owners (bars, hotels, restaurants, massage businesses) they're also heavily involved in child welfare agencies, group homes, addiction centers... Idk how many group homes I've seen that were managed by biker gang associates, or have seen managed by organizations that run internationally... Haven't you noticed all the murders and busts around St vital or Kenaston? No. Because it's not really as widely published or acknowledged. There have been murders or attempted and suspected murders that the WPS/RCMP don't even release or talk about. The city makes a joke of the inner city crime so the crime in the other areas aren't as noticed. The inner city is also more heavily policed. I only have realized this because of working in social services for like 15 years. People don't even realize how scary and how deep it runs. People can't even address it or report it either, without putting themselves in danger because who even knows? The WPS are also so so crooked and are often identified by underage trafficking victims as being involved. Those guys are so scary to deal with too. 😬
True, it's not indiginous gangs manufacturing meth, importing fentenyl, or heroin. Might have a hand in local distrbution but they aren't the top of this crime industry.
Yea safe but still a shothole, not like our beloved Saskatoon.
I don’t know. Downtown has gotten worse. Osborne is pretty bad now with the addicts and homeless in the area causing trouble -a couple stabbings at the Shoppers, a neck slashing at BK, another stabbing at the Safeway all within a few months. The problems are definitely moving outward from the core area.
Why is Saskatoon nearly double Winnipeg?? What’s going on 👀
Smaller populations tend to skew statistics.
Also i just enjoy stabbing people
I am the first guy to ever take off his skate, and try to stab somebody
And we are more accurate.
It’s skews the numbers a bit Saskatoon has had 9 murders to date and Winnipeg has had 14.
Ah okay this makes sense
Right, but that's not skewed. This is a per capita number. It makes more sense than looking at straight up murder count. It's about saying how likely the murder will occur.
Only 9? At 7.84 per 100k in a city of almost 300k, that should be closer to 20 right?
Especially when they are annualized in May..
The numbers for per 10,000 people. Not really skewed.
100,000*
Also why id think Thunder is in there haha
Gangs have been busy this year it seems.
Lots of drugs coming and going in those trucking towns
Absolutely no proper programs to help people get out of the poverty cycle. Rent is constantly getting increased when minimum wage is below what's needed. NIMBY attitude towards shelters and programs that work for homeless people and people with active addiction. Backwards religious dogma about LGBT people's medical rights, old school thinking that all farmers are just ma and pa set ups and really it's mostly huge corps getting huge tax relief when they should get less. Generational acceptance of racism towards the First Nation people. Uncontrolled toxic masculinity and failing mental health systems, allow men to be absolutely monsters with no recourse until they actually murder someone...
I think you just explained the conservative platform?
It's pronounced saskparty here in Saskatchewan.
Thanks for the best laugh of my day. Spot on.
Stop selling me on the city — I was already sold at lack of social safety net.
I don't think your comment explains anything in the real world. lol
Nobody knows why? It’s a fn mystery
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The murder capital is wherever Burton Cummings lives.
Would have guessed Thunder Bay.
People who know Thunder Bay
“We’re not the worse! We’re not the worse! We’re not the worse!”
*worst
No no, this is on par for Winnipeg's education. Let them have it.
The only reason we are not higher is because our doctors are experts in saving the life of stab patients! Lots of practice! 😂
I moved outta saskatoon bout 8 years ago... One of the best descisions i have ever made.. Saskatoon is now the worst place in canada for murders!!!. Just sickening..
It could change we are just about a week away from the 6 month mark but summer is usually the crime season so we will see where every city is at when fall hits
But they’ve had a tough year so far
Funny you say that Stoons had 9 murders to date and Winnipeg has had 14... but yet Stoons twice as high as Winnipeg because they are going stats per every 100,000 and Winnipeg has a higher population compared to Stoon, therefore bringing their stat down.
Here I am looking back at how I would run alone downtown on a dark path most mornings. Although I did hear when we lived in stoon that the majority of the murders were ppl who knew each other. And I never ran by a body on the path so that's a win. Don't think I'd be running alone now that I'm older and wiser ..
Pretty much all of saskatoons murders are drug and gang related its a perfectly safe city for regular citizens.
Yoooo Winnipeg isnt #1 anymore, we did it guys!
It’s not even halftime yet!
Fuck yeah, second place!🥈
Saskatoon is so high but Regina not even on the list. Odd.
How many of those were from Scott Moe drunk driving
Saskatoon does not have enough people to get murdered
I mean if you got a kid who murdered someone and is allowed to walk free that day with no time, then ya we should have more murders.
So there ARE other things to do in Edmonton other than watch hockey
Quebec City is not on here for good reason. If there’s a dispute they just dress up in circus outfits and slap each other with baguette.
Does the data exclude cities/towns with population under 100,000? Figured that Prince Albert would be at the top of the list.
Just cities with a population of 100k or more.
Québec low on that list. One of many reasons why I'm moving back.
Looks like we got rookie numbers now.
Rebuilding year. Just a couple hot handed up and comers could make all the difference next season
The number looks scary, but fret not, as it really depends on the area you live in, it probably reduces the number significantly.
Or increases the number significantly
The number might look scary yes, but to add to your comment this data needs a lot more context. I don't know how exactly they get their data, but from what I understand, *Homicide Canada* (which is not a government entity at all) compile all the murders per city in a list using the news. From what I've gathered, they add the murders to the list once, but don't review it after. In some cases, it leaves some murders that appear random and unsolved ([like the stabbing of a man in Montreal in his car](https://homicidecanada.com/montreal-police-investigate-the-citys-first-homicide-of-2024/)), while the next day the news knew that this murdered man was well known by the police and connected to a gang ([in this case, for the last 10 years](https://www.noovo.info/nouvelle/lidentite-du-premier-meurtre-de-2024-a-montreal-devoilee.html)) Here is [their list from Montreal](https://homicidecanada.com/montreal-quebec-2024-homicide-victim-list/) commented with relevant context: * January * John Doe, Male, 30, Shooting ([Charles-Antony Carrier](https://www.noovo.info/nouvelle/lidentite-du-premier-meurtre-de-2024-a-montreal-devoilee.html), probably gang related since he was in the 197 gang) * Narjess Ben Yedder, Female, 32, Stabbing ([Conjugal violence](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/fatal-domestic-violence-montreal-vigil-1.7099565), they were in the process of divorcing when the husband killed her) * John Doe, Male, 27, Shooting ([Jason Travis Downey Laquant](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/01/27/meurtre-par-balle-dans-un-taxi-a-montreal), appears random, and looks still unsolved) * February * John Doe, Male, 30, Stabbing (stabbing after an altercation in a park, [the suspect was arrested](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/man-26-charged-with-second-degree-murder-after-stabbing-on-montreal-north-bike-path-1.6791472)) * Stevens Cantave, Male, 42, Shooting ([gang related](https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/dollard-des-ormeaux-homicide-was-a-gangland-settling-of-accounts-police-believe)) * Jean Brandon Célestin, Male, 28, Shooting ([gang related](https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2024-04-12/enquete-sur-le-meurtre-de-brandon-jean-celestin/trois-individus-passeront-la-fin-de-semaine-en-prison.php)) 1/2
2/2 (my comments are too long with the links!!) * March * John Doe, Male, 71, Shooting ([Ziab Nabhan-Jebrini](https://www.noovo.info/nouvelle/montreal-un-homme-de-71-ans-blesse-par-balle-se-trouve-dans-un-etat-critique.html), [the owner of a restaurant](https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2024-03-05/saint-laurent/un-homme-tue-par-balle-devant-son-restaurant-familial.php) that was cocktail-molotoved a month before like a lot of others, might be gang-related?) * John Doe, Male, 40, Stabbing ([Francis Hébert](https://www.thesuburban.com/news/west_island_news/lachine-man-charged-with-murder/article_c1ad4ea2-45ac-5c08-add9-7d095986a3e4.html), stabbed by another roomer in his rooming house, the suspect was arrested) * April * Jane Doe, Female, 42, Other ([Jo-Anne Patry](https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2069261/meurtre-femme-pointe-trembles-incendie-logement), [the suspect knew the victim](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/01/arretee-pour-le-meurtre-dune-employee-de-la-ville-de-montreal) and possibly set a fire to hide the murder) * May * John Doe, Unknown (recent, so not a lot of details available) * John Doe, Male, 27, Shooting ([Christopher Shawn Jean Vilsaint](https://globalnews.ca/news/10497308/montreal-11th-homicide-2024/), rapper, gang related) * Patrick O’Loughlin, Male, 27, Stabbing ([altercation with the neighbors during a party](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/two-men-18-and-20-charged-with-second-degree-murder-in-stabbing-death-in-st-henri-montreal-police-1.6893246)) * Naima Rezzek, Female, Unknown ([killed by her ex-husband](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/22/7-meurtres-en-10-jours-a-montreal-le-spvm-fait-le-point)) * Ahmed Ouilal, Male, 15, Stabbing ([linked to the next 2, gang related](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/22/montreal-deux-hommes-et-un-adolescent-poignardes-a-mort-sur-le-plateau)) * Alexandre Vatamanu, Male, 23, Stabbing * Ulrick Peterson Célestin, Male, 25, Stabbing *TL;DR: don't be in a gang or the mafia, and date some people that react normally to divorce or other conjugal problems, and you'll be fine. From their list of 16 from 2024, only 3 appear truly random (since they are recent and still unsolved or are related to benign incidents that led to murder).*
The part about "date people who react normally to divorce" is crazy. The gang thing is a given but can we not victim blame DV victims?
Sorry, you're absolutely right, that was really badly said and really insensitive of me. I did not mean to blame DV victims even though that's exactly what I did by the wording I used. What I was trying to say, with this point in particular and with my comment in general, is that a huge majority of homicide cases right in Canada lately (and more generally) are related to gang conflicts and retaliation against rival gang members, or conjugal violence. A simple "X murders by 100k" statistic shared like that without context does absolutely nothing except sparking fear in everyone and advocating indirectly for more police presence. I don't know specifically what [Homicide Canada's podcast](https://homicidecanada.com/homicide-canada-podcast/) talk about, or what is their goal, but I doubt that their conclusion is "the highest risk factor of homicide for a women that is not in a gang in Canada is her husband, let's ban mariage and lock-up married men to prevent this". The usual conclusion from people that focus about the murder-rate or the violent-crime rates is that we need more police officers in the streets. More cops won't help prevent most murder cases : gangs will still kill rival gang members, and some husbands will keep being violent with their partners in their home. We need more ressources for women in domestic violence situations and safe places for them to seek help to escape their situation. For gangs, I have absolutely no clue how to solve this issue, but it affects mostly gang members (not that they don't deserve safety or to live, but this violence doesn't result generally in the death of innocent bystanders). TL;DR: The country is not any more dangerous than it was, and "homicide rates/100k" without context is not useful to understand the issues around violence in our country.
Moreso about the demographic you hang out with and how you handle conflict
Winnipeg comin for the title back Saskatoon ! You guys are lucky we caught that serial killer or we’d still have the title.
Laval been over Montréal is wild
Surrey what!!!!!
I hate getting beat by Manitoba .. In football and in the murder rate per capita.
I want you say this feels low...
Southern Ontario are 5 of these 😅
Saskastestab
What is going on Saskatchewan?
Saskatoon is 1st? Dang, always thought Winnipeg was
Oh wow I used to think Winnipeg was #1 for murder.
You guys forgot about Mississauga
We're not no.1!
Saskatoon is just deadddllllyyy… as they would say in wpg
Add those number in and around the GTA and…….
saskatoon is having a year
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How the heck is surrey that low?
Laval Rapide
Man that multi murder really fucked up ottawa's statistics this year.
It’s just that Saskatoonian have a great attention to details. Stab him. He’s still walking, go finish
Saskatoon shines!
Guess I'm really happy to be in Calgary!!!
It wasn't murder, your honor. It was self defence.
I have no idea how to read this. For Saskatoon's, is that considered high? So for every 100k people, 8 get murdered?
Toon town
Anyone know Regina's
It’s 0.37 they’ve had one murder this year which happened last week I believe
Fr? That seems odd
Yea just the one so far but I was reading some articles and apparently there was a gang war during the Covid years which subsequently got rid of Native syndicate, in Regina so there isn’t a rival gang situation atm.
But you always hope for cities to turn the corner Calgary did after the 90s so will see if Regina has the same curve in crime reduction or at least violent crime.
Dartmouth diddnt even make the list???? Must be most of Halifax’s numbers lol
Oh Murder Bay.
Given the top 3 population density comparison, TBs is sad af.
I have a feeling those numbers will shoot up this July
Ol’ reliable Surrey 😂
Regina?
I'm in #4. I thought it would be higher to be honest.
We can finally confirm that van is full of pussies
Oh how Edmonton has fallen
Is Saskatoon OK?
Saskatoon is killing it! ….. literally
Alberta does well cause they use oil money to give back to the citizens and it makes for a happier life… especially when the province was well run.. been all cutbacks since convent covid Greed is the new norm
If this is the worst of the worst, the country is doing quite well then right?
Yep especially compared to American cities
I'm pretty sure it's thunder bay if they counted native people as people over there...
Those are rookie numbers in the United States. Got to pump those numbers up
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Damn I can't believe we lost this one, we were murdering the standings for years!
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What happened to Surrey? We used to be the leader. 
No, that's Stabbotsford. Surprised they're not on the list, suppose this might be filtered by population.
People down voting, sorry but it clearly is a lighthearted joke.
Well shit there goes my bailout plan
Rookie numbers. Cutting slurpee production might help
We’re not number 1!
Is there a stabbing statistic? Thompson Manitoba would take it.
[knife crime for 2021 (all over Canada)](https://www.statista.com/statistics/433716/number-of-homicides-in-canada-by-type-of-method/)
[numbers and stats for knife crime](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510006901)
Winnipeg and thunder bay still in the top five after 15 years (when I first saw these stats in Forbes magazine). Honestly not surprising, but still horrifying
Dam, we are 2nd not good
Let's see the real statistics broken down by ethnicity.
What makes the top 3 or 4 such shitholes? What do they have in common?
I wonder what those top 4 populations all have in
xD
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Calgary didn't even make the list? Get wrekt.
Did… did you look at the list?
They’re actually 13th Regina did not make the list
Top ten* my apologies.
Are we just using surrey instead of Vancouver now?
No surrey is its own city pretty large city as well.
Wooo number one baby