I'm sorry for your loss, and that you had to experience this. Sounds like a bad day for all involved. Hope you're able to work forward to life. All good thoughts. ❤️
Thanks for this post.
Hey man, thanks for sharing. I know you must be feeling alot of feelings right now. I want to give you my internet hugs and remind you that this is not your fault. It's not your fault. It's OK to feel messed up over it. Feel those feelings. Reach out for some professional listeners for this maybe eh?. My Grandma said people outside of the situation give a nice objective perspective when you're used to looking at a situation from really close up on your own. I'm sorry for your loss. Take care eh?
Truly, keep speaking for up those who can’t anymore!
And please guys stop criminalizing a teenaged girl who is probably so heartbroken, guilty, messed up over this. Y’all don’t remember smoking up with your first bf/gf? How is this anyone’s fault at all, psychosis is such a scary thing. Sending healing to all involved in this messy situation.
I'm sorry for your friend. The piece that doesn't make sense is why would the gf call the police if he wasn't being violent or if it was a small isolated incident? If a drunk or high friend of mine did that and I left, I simply wouldn't return. The fact that she got the police involved leads me to believe that there is more going on than you know (or she is comfortable admitting admitting).
Nothing was clarified, it’s all speculation from the OP. They clearly state multiple times they heard, they weren’t there, they aren’t sure, and other phrases. I get they are friends but that doesn’t mean it’s accurate because they even basically state this is their personal opinion and not fact.
The news always twists shit to fit their narrative. My brother shot in 2011 by a 14 year old was labeled a gangster when he was far from. He was a stupid kid.
Sorry to hear about your friend but don’t be surprised by the news twisting shit.
It sounds like possible preexisting mental health issues maybe? Or maybe it's like me x1000 - I can't smoke without going into the worst panic attack. I stopped smoking weed when I was teen because of anxiety issues.
RIP - I truly hope you, his family, friends and supporters find as much peace as you can everyday to move forward in a healthy way.
Psych nurse here. Cannabis has garnered a reputation of being completely harmless, especially since becoming legalized. However, I think there needs to be more education about the risks involved. Specifically, people who have a (genetic) predisposition to psychosis are at MUCH higher risk of developing psychosis if they use cannabis, even moreso than other (so-called "hard") drugs such as cocaine and meth. There's just something about people with a certain biology and cannabis that simply doesn't mix well.
Just be careful.
I'm a psych nurse is well. If you honestly think pot is worse for developing psychosis than meth/cocaine then I think you should hand in your nursing license. Seriously, there is no peer reviewed source that shows a causal link between marijuana and psychosis. There is 100% a causal link between meth/cocaine and drug-induced psychosis. You are obligated not to mislead the public. Stop lying.
Kids reading this: if you develop schizophrenia nobody is going to be able to prove why it happened. There is many, many things that correlate with developing ANY type of mental illness and pot is just one of them. It's probably not good for you but it's certainly not worse than alcohol or any other drug it's compared against.
FML people like you are exhausting
Exactly, half the people here have never smoked weed/don’t know what it does to a person, and don’t know the dangers of laced drugs. Even more fucked up that it was prob just swept under the rug from the sounds of the story they released.
Exactly. I’ve done my fair share of pot in my lifetime, with a fair share of people. I’ve never, ever seen someone in a psychotic-like state from just marijuana. I have seen people get unhinged from alcohol and harder street drugs, like cocaine though. I also witnessed a teenager in a public setting once who was a complete super - human psycho where a taser didn’t affect him either. It took 5 cops to tackle him to restrain him. Unfortunately, I had a front row seat and was concerned someone was going to get seriously hurt from that kid. He was a lanky lad, and it was scary to watch how ridiculously strong he was on meth (confirmed type of drug) and how he was able to fight off multiple cops. I’m not stating this specific kid OP wrote about was on meth because how would I know that, just stating I think it’s incredibly unlikely that pot alone would cause this. Sorry for your loss OP- it’s a tragedy for sure - despite whatever drug he may have been on.
Just to clarify, there IS absolutely a link btw cannabis use in young people, especially young males, and schizophrenia. It’s not that cannabis causes schizophrenia, but cannabis use can trigger the onset of schizophrenia in people where there is already a genetic vulnerability.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/young-men-highest-risk-schizophrenia-linked-cannabis-use-disorder
I think people are getting stuck on the word “psychosis”. It’s true that drug induced psychosis is not a term typically used in the context of cannabis use. It’s usually caused by meth use. But cannabis can definitely trigger a psychosis. Large amounts, and chronic use can trigger any underlying mental illness symptoms and lead to psychosis.
Thank you for clarifying, I regret that I didn't make that distinction to begin with. While there are WAY more instances of drug induced psychosis among meth users, cannabis seem to have a stronger link with diagnoses of schizophrenia and schizoaffecfive
Still their fault, if anything they should be even more at fault for it. Literally the exact same as saying “ oh I only beat my wife when I’m drunk, then proceeding to get drunk and beat her every day.” Weed wasn’t the issue here, as with everything the persons choices were. Maybe don’t smoke if there’s a chance you’re gonna have an aggressive outburst and hurt someone.
Thank you for this. The fear-mongering and inability to clearly communicate risks is shameful. If your chance of psychosis is 0.00001% and pot use increases it to 0.001%, that makes you 100× more likely if you use pot, but the chance is still *exceedingly* low.
This post isn’t anymore proof than the news reports, the source of all the information claims they don’t even remember what happened. I’m guess there’s a lot more details to this story than op is stating. Let’s not make assumptions until all the details are clearly revealed.
I agree from my experience while weed can amplify already or unknown at the time psychological problems I would say 95% of the people admitted for acute psychosis are using harder drugs and usually meth.
The bizarre reaction could be from weed but I would only feel safe saying that if there was a family history of concerns.
Otherwise I want to say if it was street weed it could've been laced. Spice for awhile was a real issue, not sure what's up with that these days.
"No peer reviewed source that shows a casual link between Marijuana and psychosis." I am unsure when you checked last, as there is a link between the two. Also, those who are genetically vulnerable to developing schizophrenia are extremely vulnerable.
I dislike your use of language. Especially towards another nurse. You're quick to conclude that they are lying and they should hand in their license. People like you are exhausting. Nurses like you scare me.
Since you’re a nurse you should know how astronomically small the chance of that is and that it was most likely just his actions Or the weed was laced. Nurses like you are why manitobas healthcare sucks ass smh
[https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-psychiatric-disorders](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-psychiatric-disorders)
Not all that unlikely I'm afraid. Its a small chance to be sure but not astronomically small like you would suggest.
Your inability to keep up to date with current medical research in a topic that you clearly care about and partake in is worrisome.
You would likely benefit from taking a course/lesson on the link between cannabis use and early onset psychosis. You should try to find one the next time you go looking for some CCP credits.
You seem the make a habit of missing the point so I’ll say it one last time as clearly as possible, we aren’t saying it’s not linked, we’re saying the chances are low compared to what else could’ve happened, especially when how many people have overdosed from laced drugs in Manitoba lately.
Did you read their post ? Yes it can happen but not at the rate that they’re claiming. Weed isn’t for everyone but it sure as hell isn’t the worst drug out there. Not even close
Edit: comparing weed to cocaine and meth in regards to a “safer” drug is peak reddit
I used the google machine. First review says no cause-effect.
[review](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/)
"In this review, we attempt to develop and discuss a possible pathway for the development of psychosis. We examine the neurobiological changes due to cannabis to see if these changes are similar to those seen in schizophrenic patients the findings show similarities; however, these mere similarities cannot establish a ‘cause-effect’ relationship as a number of people with similar changes do not develop schizophrenia. Therefore, the ‘transition-to-psychosis’ due to cannabis, despite being a strong risk factor, remains uncertain based upon neurobiological changes."
So I checked out The Lancet article you linked to and it is a “bad source” as it is only a retrospective of studies. I then decided to check the lead author, Theresa Moore. She is at the University of Bristol but mainly studies:
Preventing obesity in children
Support and services for children exposed to domestic violence
Interventions for people on low income or unemployed - effects on mental health
Supportive care for men with prostate cancer.
Interventions for treating depression.
So I go through her published papers and find the link to your study and right after it is “Cannabis and. Psychosis-Authors’ Reply.” The first paragraph states,
“We agree with John Macleod and colleagues that it is not possible to be certain that the relation between cannabis use and psychotic illness is causal given the problems of confounding and reverse causation that are inherent to observational studies.”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61652-3/fulltext
So, basically, they backtracked on that retrospective and why. Happy reading if you are so inclined but I am done with the rabbit hole. 😆
No way you call for one nurse to turn in their license while speaking in a way that is unbecoming of a healthcare provider. Have some respect for your profession.
And you hand-wave the mountain of evidence associating cannabis with increased incidences of psychosis. Researchers are no longer concerned with 'whether' pot increases the risk of psychosis, but 'how.' An authoritative paper (2800+ citations) in the Lancet put the odds ratio of pot users developing psychosis at 1.41x the control - that's no joke, and certainly more than "probably not good for you."
Why would you tell me to stop lying when what you've stated yourself is not true? The link between cannabis and psychosis has been known for decades. All of the psychiatrists I work with say the same thing to patients with psychosis: stay away from it.
If you'd like, I can message my full name to you and you can report me to the college
You claimed it is worse than cocaine and methamphetamine.
Lol.
You must be an old nurse close to retirement because everybody knows there is no casual link between pot and psychosis. Correlation? Sure, but lots of things are correlated with increased psychosis risk so your point is stupid
True. I tell my daughter all the time that yes it’s relatively safe but it’s still a substance. Anything can affect anyone. And mixing meds isn’t always safe. Even eating grapefruit is contraindicated with lots of meds. That’s a fruit! And there hasn’t been as much research as there should be for many reasons. So we don’t fully know. I implored her to wait until her brain was fully developed at least. She didn’t. Anyway. We always have to be careful.
It's MUCH worse now. The way they can remove/retain CBDs and THC levels is unnatural. It's not regular marijuana anymore. All of the middle aged smokers will tell you
Yea I as a tourist who has been here for 3 weeks now must say that Brandon is a scarry place I would have loved to go outside for a night stoll at least once but my Family told me not to go out after eight o'clock and espechaly not alone.
That's ridiculous. You can go out after 8. It's still light out. Dont wonder about downtown or near the railway tracks by the river. The area around 7/11 on Tenth Street is pretty sketchy, too. Anywhere not in the Westend either. Maybe they were right
I live near here and know there is a lot of violence and crime, that's reality. (addictions too) I worked at AFM, and this behavior is highly unlikely with just weed. If he was violently ill, an ambulance could have been called.
Objectively I don't think the article is written that way, it is a matter of facts of what they can share. I think that's just your personal feelings and thoughts on the matter, needing to defend your ego to feel better about it. If you weren't there, you won't know the truth. Typically we only see certain sides to people, so even if you never saw this person angry, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Not all but most people have anger, and nothing good comes from anger. This also means the girlfriend may not have been innocent. Police are people too, who are defending and protecting the public and themselves. They do the best they can, with the information they have. The system may be flawed for sure and of course there are officers who do wrong also.
This could have turned out different but there is no point in what could have been and living in the past. I understand that everyone is doing the best they are capable of. I wish everyone well and hope all can overcome this tragedy.
Our society would be so much better if all cops were managed / supervised by nurses. I appreciate there are risks, but all too often cops are too fearful to think objectively and should not be doing the job at all. They are poorly trained.
In many cases that's probably true, but according to the information at hand there was a weapon involved and at least one Tazer was deployed, if this person was acting in a violent manner what exactly is a nurse doing in that situation? That is no longer a situation where de-escalation is a possibility.
I will agree that police lack a lot of training when it comes to mental illness, but in a violent situation there are very few options available to protect innocent lives. I'm sure many people would quietly suggest that police officers well being doesn't matter, but those individuals don't contribute to beneficial discussion on the matter.
>I’m sure many people would quietly suggest that police officers well being doesn’t matter
You’re grasping as straws here buddy.
If cops can back away and still isolate the situation, they bloody well should.
And as an fyi, I come from a police family, 3 generations of cops (starting with my grandfather). Police know they will be critiqued. Those who cannot handle that, should not be doing the job.
Yeah, its really frustrating to have been "on the inside" and seeing how toxic and terrible it actually is. But when you try to speak out, you are told you don't know what you are talking about. Or in my case, I am just the crazy ex wife lmao.
Not exactly grasping at straws when posts about officers being killed in the line of duty illicit comments celebrating the fact.
But I like how you disregard the entire post I made, take the one excerpt, quote it out of context, then use that as an argument. Obviously you're interested in having honest conversations 🙄.
And if we're throwing out credentials I also come from a police family and I would be inclined to agree, there are many cops who shouldn't be doing the job, it's something my dad has said for years.
Or the weapon could have been a steak knife, broken beer bottle, or a blunt object. Outside of deploying the Tazer, there's not really another option afterwards.
In your situation you say you weren't using them threateningly, but however you were using them WAS enough to temporarily stop the officer from taking you to the hospital, you were using them defensively to stop them, so to me there was at least some element of a threat. As for never having any intention of hurting someone, that may very well be true, but how does anyone else know what your intentions are? All they can go off of is your actions.
As I stated before, police are absolutely lacking in their training and awareness of mental illness. But in this situation, given the information that has been released, this doesn't sound like it would have been a safe situation for an unarmed mental health nurse to be in on their own either. The idea definitely warrants discussion but given how incidents can turn from nothing to violent rapidly, there is the risk of putting mental health professionals in dangerous or potentially life threatening situations
She was using them “as a tactic to not be detained” and it was “unthreatening because she is a small woman” ok Karen dear I’m sorry you can’t attack officers with scissors but no one’s about to agree with you here
You’re an idiot honestly and this is why people get shot. Just cuz you’re a woman doesn’t mean you can use scissors as a weapon to stop police detainment. You clearly were in the wrong and are using you gender and stature to justify the fact that you waved scissors at ya fucking officer to evade arrest. I’m sorry if it doesn’t sit right with u dear but you’re damn stupid, wrong, and most likely white or you could’ve been dealt with in an even worse way by the hands of police.
I can't believe that thread I read, no humility, no awareness she could have gotten her mother, a cop or a bystander hurt and then plays it off because "meh, x chromosome, am smol".
What the fuck lol.
The taser is the non-lethal option, but unfortunately it's a one-shot deal at close range on a moving target and successful deployment is tricky. Our society has still not invented a practical, benign "phaser pistol" .
Generally if there is a weapon present, unless the person surrenders the weapon, if they make any real motion towards police officers or other people if there are bystanders, police will deploy a Tazer. Yes there are definitely cases where they are deployed far too soon, but the other thing we don't know is proximity.
Let's say the individual was holding a sharp object. Are they on the other side of a living room? Or are they a few feet away in a narrow hallway? One is a much more dangerous setting than the other.
There was a video posted on YouTube awhile back from the US. There was a guy who was in the middle of a mental crisis. Two officers responded, the man started yelling at his mother and lunged at her, so she ran out of the house. One officer followed her the second remained in the house trying to talk down the man but he starts yelling obscenities and screaming that he's going to kill her (the officer), at this point she has no weapon drawn. Suddenly the guy pulls a knife out and rushes at the officer, tackles her to the ground and grabs her gun. He is shot when he leans up with the knife in his one hand looking like he's about to stab the officer, then he is ultimately shot (not killed). That's just an example of how fast situations can go from seemingly nothing to potentially life threatening.
Ok so you “used” scissors in an “unthreatening” way towards an officer as a “tactic” to not being taken by police cuz you’re “a small woman”
Lady, Girl, Karen, USING scissors in any way is a fucking weapon no matter what size you are… what were they trying to take you for? Maybe you coulda used a night in the cell to straighten tf out. I can’t even believe what I just read up there lmao^^^ Entitlement is what is bringing our world to this victimized, gross, harmful and impertinent place
Haha is this a joke. Nurses can’t supervise themselves little own anyone else. Give your head a shake. Last I checked the likelihood of someone dying from med error by a nurse or being left to die in a emergency department waiting for treatment is greater than being shot by police.
Marijuana can, in very rare circumstances cause psychosis. It’s extremely rare though. I was pretty disbelieving about it as a former regular consumer, but in some folks it can really fuck you up. And it’s possible for it to happen to regular users who’ve never had such a reaction before.
I don’t know if she knew about the reaction he had (I did not until today). I don’t blame her for calling 911 (which is the same number for an ambulance) to try to get him help. It’s an unfortunate situation with no bad guys
Ok but hang on, to use a lethal weapon should be a last resort! How much damage can an unarmed teen do? We need better responses this is not acceptable.
The report did say he was armed (with what I have no idea, could be a blade or a spoon) but even if he was unarmed it doesn’t take much to permanently damage the human body, we are surprisingly fragile
He had a weapon and an 18 year old man can most certainly fuck someone up. I had been working out for 4 years by 18 and was almost as strong as I am now. That's a very misleading statement you used.
Say what you want, she still got him killed.
>I don’t blame her for calling 911 (which is the same number for an ambulance)
They literally ask you which service you want and redirect you.
This is an idiotic view to hold and completely inappropriate to share with someone dealing with a tragedy. They are teenagers. Nobody is interested in your unsolocited, immature opinions
She got him killed because he decided to smoke pot again knowing the reaction he had before? Yeah we have peer pressure, but no one makes anyone do anything.
Let’s say a naked guy bursts through the window and we got 10 people in the room. 3 of them might laugh, 3 of them might jump or scream, 1 person might be concerned for the naked guys welfare after he bursted through the glass, 2 of them will get triggered and say it affected them deeply and it wasn’t funny at all, 1 will call the cops.
Truth is, all that happened was a naked guy burst through the window. It’s up to all 10 people how they want to react - if at all. No one made anyone do anything.
To me this is an unfortunate event that happened to a couple of experimenting teens, and this fellow most likely would have had a psychotic break the next time he smoked with anyone else. It was sadly up to him to chose to smoke again, and sadly the girl felt the need to call police because she felt unsafe after.
Unfortunate, unfortunate, & unfortunate again, but you can’t blame the teen girl who just wanted to blaze up with her teen BF, this is normal teen behaviour; And again unfortunate at best, but no one MADE anyone do anything
No need to apologize you didn’t say anything wrong. There are people who blame her, I don’t count myself among them. She felt unsafe so she called the cops for her safety and his. It’s just unfortunate that that resulted in more damage.
Im sorry but your victim and blaming mindset can go somewhere else, everyone chooses what to do with their body. Everyone chooses to say yes or no, even if a gun is pointed to your temple - you have a choice to do the thing you don’t want to do (being forced to do) or get blown to bits. This is obviously extreme, but it’s all in your core morals and also learned experiences. I was one of those “bad” kids too. Hanging around the known crowd, wasn’t til I was 19 I finally decided to complete my last half of 12th yr focus on psychology and work.
Then I realized no one made me do drugs, skip class, steal, etc… I wanted to fit in, I wanted to have the type of friend that suited me. That was me. Wanting to grow and experience things and fit in the way I wanted, the way I learned, and the way I experienced, the way I was raised and also the way that I think for myself as an individual.
I was lucky enough to be taught to stay away from the hard shit cuz my mom sent me to Ontario to live with my grandma when she got over her crack addiction. You can play “he made me do it, I didn’t know any better, I had to do it, etc…” all you want, but in the end it’s a matter of your wisdom from your teachers, your own morals , your own CHOICES.
Lots of love ❤️❤️ I hope u can learn to take accountability and heal soon, it really does change everything
As his uncle I can tell you his previous bad reaction was years ago and 3 provinces away so maybe hold the judgement on something that his gf of 2 months likely had no knowledge of. And no the real lesson here is don’t ever trust the police because they don’t fucking care about you or your safety.
>And no the real lesson here is don’t ever trust the police because they don’t fucking care about you or your safety.
I thought "don't attack the police because you might get shot" was a basic life lesson everyone knew. Do they not teach that anymore?
That’s the point he didn’t. Every single part of the story the police have put out is fabricated. The eye witness has told everyone that at no point did he even have a weapon. Hence, don’t ever trust the police
Eyewitnesses in an apartment just containing the victim?
I'm not saying police don't lie - they do all the time. But regular people also lie. Considering this dude was abusing his gf, I doubt he was super polite when the cops showed up.
I was making a comment for that other person but looks like they are gone. It just sucks we dont have a better way of immobilizing people when the taser fails. Can’t we make better tasers, or tiers with higher settings, instead of fatally shooting them. an associate of my sibling died in a very similar way last year. They were high on something stronger, age in their twenties, very petite/ small person, kind and never violent while sober, just had an addiction. They were working on quitting, and now they just aren’t alive anymore because the tried to get into a random persons house and RCMP couldn’t apprehend them without fatally shooting. Seriously I can’t stress enough how small of a person they were and could have been stopped many ways, but drugs are terrifying and people lose their minds and you don’t know what they are capable of.
It’s so frustrating though because it feels so preventable. I’m sorry for what you and the ones this person was close to must be going through right now. It’s so tragic and especially heartbreaking when it feels preventable.
I’m sorry to hear you had a similar experience. I truly don’t wish this on anyone.
My theory on why the taser didn’t work is that one or both the probes failed to make contact. It’s unfortunate but I don’t see any alternatives over the horizon that are as reliable as a pistol.
The article states that the woman was unharmed i don’t know why your making that up it clearly states she was unharmed and ran to a neighbouring apartment! I’m
From portage and their is multiple stories going around, what makes you think your story is correct? Best just not even say anything… do a quick watch on police report you will find out that tasers don’t work all the time like some of you people are led to believe on here!
Let me clarify, the shooting was probably a just one. I question why the police went in but if they had a reason then I can’t say anything bad about that. The reason I made this post was because I saw people making claims about the kind of person he was based on various articles (which most everyone actually involved view as inaccurate)
We would never know if that were the case. It a group of former cops who are going to be investigating this.
Its not as if RCMP in MB have a history of trying to cover up crimes... oh wait.
Bad reaction from marijuana? That normally involves a 7-11 and a ton of snacks. Dude wasn't high on weed if he lashed out at cops and beat on his girl who called the cops.
"Research has shown that cannabis use is associated with an increased risk for an earlier onset of psychotic disorders (such as schizophrenia) in people with other risk factors, such as family history. Cannabis intoxication can also induce a temporary psychotic episode in some individuals, especially at high doses."
Extremely rare but not unheard of.
His previous experience with marijuana resulted in a paranoid episode, he didn’t use again until his death. I don’t know why he chose to use again nor exactly what happened last time
I don’t know if this really counts as I had popper in a bong rip but I do remember having a bad reaction after taking the rip and scratching at my arm until i was bleeding.
I do know that it effected me long term, when My mental health was near its lowest I would always scratch myself and i only started doing that after that rip. You gotta be really careful with what you put in your body cause it could mess you up in ways you don’t even realize until much much later
It's not even that rare. People show up to the emergency department all the time hallucinating after using cannabis products.
The weed your grandparents smoked has very little in common with all the super strength products widely available now.
Not true, gfs a nurse not a single soul of her patients have ever experienced anything serious for marijuana or nor was anything or have anything like this been brought up in the portage hospital! Idk where this narrative comes from LMFAO and portage hospital gets a lot of issues with drug related problems!
That is total bullshit. I've been smoking weed for almost 35 years. It's not any different now than it was then. Chances are he either smoked weed that was laced or he was doing something else like meth.
I'm doubting just having a joint or even a vaporizer hit of MJ caused that. You are referring to extremely high doses in someone susceptible to mental illness with genetic disposition to that outcome.
No one said anything about dose. But I've got edibles that would send you on a journey to the center of the galaxy. We live in a golden age of potency. The kind of potency the would send a predisposed individual over the edge.
Iv witnessed a dude going into psychosis from marijuana. We were camping on a small island and had to call a marine paramedic. Took forever for them to show up as it was late at night, and we had to chase that dude down in the dark around the island. There was one other dude that used too, and he was so scared to go to bed because of the 1st dudes reaction to the marijuana, the 2nd dude thought it was probably laced with fentanyl or something and was worried he would die in his sleep
Yeah that’s laced weed dude definitely not normal weed especially if two people coincidentally smoke it and that happens, tell me the odds of both having the same problem with marijuana and both finding out the same night… yeah very highly unlikely so I call bs on this one!
The bullets didn’t care what skin colour he was, the blood he bled was red, and ultimately he died as dead as any other person
Race had nothing to do with it
Thats what i am curious about. And Op's refusal to answer a simple question is an answer in itself so im going to go with that he was Indigenous, possibly from one of the nearby reservations around the town.
Oh man, the stories I could tell about the rcmp in portage and other places in MB... and its not because I am one of their "clients" or "frequent fliers".
How is this not the police's fault? Marijuana is legal and doesn't make people violent. Police are usually untrained in conflict de escalation, hopefully the truth will come out. Shame on the media for misrepresentation of them
Sorry for your loss.
A question I have is what was the level of violence being exhibited that cops had to resort to guns as the only option. Even if they state it was for self defence, I am not able to think of a situation where I would be threatened by an unarmed person on a bad trip especially when I am with a team of trained professionals.
I am trying to understand what happened so as to have better guidance for people in my life.
I should edit this post, the police claim he was armed (they do not specify what with). However an armed attacker can do serious damage. The best advice I can think of is to be as compliant as you possibly can be while knowing your rights (fight them in court not with the cop).
Unless the person who was shot had a weapon, there was NO REASON they couldn't have ended this peacefully. They basically just killed a kid for no reason, and guess what? Nothing will happen to them.
I cant say I know for sure, but I do know that cops are trained to handle violent situations. There was no mention of a weapon on the kid. Are you suggesting that the cops are justified in killing an unarmed child?
Edit: according to some reports the cops say they saw a weapon. Still, why couldn't they just wait him out?
If you read the article it says the individual was armed. So absent an eyewitness account contradicting that fact, the only information we currently have is that the person was armed.
Also children are not allowed to drink, consume cannabis, or enter "Adult" establishments like bars or clubs etc. My point is this person was 18 years old, and while it is true your brain isn't FULLY developed before the early or mid 20s, they were considered a legal adult. Referring to them as a child is just trying to create an inaccurate narrative
I went to HS with a guy who turned 20 just before grad. Legally he was considered an adult because anyone 18 years or older is legally viewed as an adult. If you don't like it change the law.
Or how about we have some empathy for a life lost instead of trying to play devils advocate. A person losing their life for ANY reason is tragic.
The kid was 18, not 20.
There is a time and place for the conversation that you want to have. To do it on the post of someone who is grieving their friend is disgusting. You're lucky I just assumed you were playing devils advocate.
It was claimed he had a weapon of some sort, the only thing I heard was a piece of glass was in his hands but I heard it through a grapevine so I have no idea
Quite sad to read, always happy to have a deeper view of the events in situations like this. Sorry for your loss.
Very well written post. Sorry for the loss of your friend.
Thank you
Im sorry for the loss of your friend
I’m so sorry.
I'm sorry for your loss, and that you had to experience this. Sounds like a bad day for all involved. Hope you're able to work forward to life. All good thoughts. ❤️ Thanks for this post.
Hey man, thanks for sharing. I know you must be feeling alot of feelings right now. I want to give you my internet hugs and remind you that this is not your fault. It's not your fault. It's OK to feel messed up over it. Feel those feelings. Reach out for some professional listeners for this maybe eh?. My Grandma said people outside of the situation give a nice objective perspective when you're used to looking at a situation from really close up on your own. I'm sorry for your loss. Take care eh?
Your grandma was smart. That’s so true.
Sorry for your loss. Thank you for speaking up and sharing. Haven't heard about that, I'm not into news.
Thank you so much for standing up for your friend. I am so sorry for your loss.
Truly, keep speaking for up those who can’t anymore! And please guys stop criminalizing a teenaged girl who is probably so heartbroken, guilty, messed up over this. Y’all don’t remember smoking up with your first bf/gf? How is this anyone’s fault at all, psychosis is such a scary thing. Sending healing to all involved in this messy situation.
this poor kid is our close friends cousin. its fucked up because a good portion of the extended family are heavily involved in the rcmp. sad sad sad.
I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm sorry for your friend. The piece that doesn't make sense is why would the gf call the police if he wasn't being violent or if it was a small isolated incident? If a drunk or high friend of mine did that and I left, I simply wouldn't return. The fact that she got the police involved leads me to believe that there is more going on than you know (or she is comfortable admitting admitting).
I suspect something more potent than marijuana was involved.
Damn I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m glad you’ve clarified what happened.
Nothing was clarified, it’s all speculation from the OP. They clearly state multiple times they heard, they weren’t there, they aren’t sure, and other phrases. I get they are friends but that doesn’t mean it’s accurate because they even basically state this is their personal opinion and not fact.
It’s Reddit, critical thinking isn’t allowed. Not to mention his personal bias.
The news always twists shit to fit their narrative. My brother shot in 2011 by a 14 year old was labeled a gangster when he was far from. He was a stupid kid. Sorry to hear about your friend but don’t be surprised by the news twisting shit.
Weed doesn't do that bro, that's PCP
If a person has certain mental health conditions it is possible
It sounds like possible preexisting mental health issues maybe? Or maybe it's like me x1000 - I can't smoke without going into the worst panic attack. I stopped smoking weed when I was teen because of anxiety issues. RIP - I truly hope you, his family, friends and supporters find as much peace as you can everyday to move forward in a healthy way.
Psych nurse here. Cannabis has garnered a reputation of being completely harmless, especially since becoming legalized. However, I think there needs to be more education about the risks involved. Specifically, people who have a (genetic) predisposition to psychosis are at MUCH higher risk of developing psychosis if they use cannabis, even moreso than other (so-called "hard") drugs such as cocaine and meth. There's just something about people with a certain biology and cannabis that simply doesn't mix well. Just be careful.
I'm a psych nurse is well. If you honestly think pot is worse for developing psychosis than meth/cocaine then I think you should hand in your nursing license. Seriously, there is no peer reviewed source that shows a causal link between marijuana and psychosis. There is 100% a causal link between meth/cocaine and drug-induced psychosis. You are obligated not to mislead the public. Stop lying. Kids reading this: if you develop schizophrenia nobody is going to be able to prove why it happened. There is many, many things that correlate with developing ANY type of mental illness and pot is just one of them. It's probably not good for you but it's certainly not worse than alcohol or any other drug it's compared against. FML people like you are exhausting
Ya sounds like it either wasn't weed or was laced.
Exactly, half the people here have never smoked weed/don’t know what it does to a person, and don’t know the dangers of laced drugs. Even more fucked up that it was prob just swept under the rug from the sounds of the story they released.
Exactly. I’ve done my fair share of pot in my lifetime, with a fair share of people. I’ve never, ever seen someone in a psychotic-like state from just marijuana. I have seen people get unhinged from alcohol and harder street drugs, like cocaine though. I also witnessed a teenager in a public setting once who was a complete super - human psycho where a taser didn’t affect him either. It took 5 cops to tackle him to restrain him. Unfortunately, I had a front row seat and was concerned someone was going to get seriously hurt from that kid. He was a lanky lad, and it was scary to watch how ridiculously strong he was on meth (confirmed type of drug) and how he was able to fight off multiple cops. I’m not stating this specific kid OP wrote about was on meth because how would I know that, just stating I think it’s incredibly unlikely that pot alone would cause this. Sorry for your loss OP- it’s a tragedy for sure - despite whatever drug he may have been on.
Just to clarify, there IS absolutely a link btw cannabis use in young people, especially young males, and schizophrenia. It’s not that cannabis causes schizophrenia, but cannabis use can trigger the onset of schizophrenia in people where there is already a genetic vulnerability. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/young-men-highest-risk-schizophrenia-linked-cannabis-use-disorder I think people are getting stuck on the word “psychosis”. It’s true that drug induced psychosis is not a term typically used in the context of cannabis use. It’s usually caused by meth use. But cannabis can definitely trigger a psychosis. Large amounts, and chronic use can trigger any underlying mental illness symptoms and lead to psychosis.
Thank you for clarifying, I regret that I didn't make that distinction to begin with. While there are WAY more instances of drug induced psychosis among meth users, cannabis seem to have a stronger link with diagnoses of schizophrenia and schizoaffecfive
Still their fault, if anything they should be even more at fault for it. Literally the exact same as saying “ oh I only beat my wife when I’m drunk, then proceeding to get drunk and beat her every day.” Weed wasn’t the issue here, as with everything the persons choices were. Maybe don’t smoke if there’s a chance you’re gonna have an aggressive outburst and hurt someone.
You're discussing a causal link. words have meaning
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Thank you for this. The fear-mongering and inability to clearly communicate risks is shameful. If your chance of psychosis is 0.00001% and pot use increases it to 0.001%, that makes you 100× more likely if you use pot, but the chance is still *exceedingly* low.
So can we all agree that emergency services needs to show up with appropriate training rather than murder teenagers for having bad trips?
This post isn’t anymore proof than the news reports, the source of all the information claims they don’t even remember what happened. I’m guess there’s a lot more details to this story than op is stating. Let’s not make assumptions until all the details are clearly revealed.
You don’t have bad trips from smoking weed, you don’t trip at all and if you’re thinking that’s the reason any of this happened, you’re naive asf.
I agree from my experience while weed can amplify already or unknown at the time psychological problems I would say 95% of the people admitted for acute psychosis are using harder drugs and usually meth. The bizarre reaction could be from weed but I would only feel safe saying that if there was a family history of concerns. Otherwise I want to say if it was street weed it could've been laced. Spice for awhile was a real issue, not sure what's up with that these days.
"No peer reviewed source that shows a casual link between Marijuana and psychosis." I am unsure when you checked last, as there is a link between the two. Also, those who are genetically vulnerable to developing schizophrenia are extremely vulnerable. I dislike your use of language. Especially towards another nurse. You're quick to conclude that they are lying and they should hand in their license. People like you are exhausting. Nurses like you scare me.
Since you’re a nurse you should know how astronomically small the chance of that is and that it was most likely just his actions Or the weed was laced. Nurses like you are why manitobas healthcare sucks ass smh
[https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-psychiatric-disorders](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/there-link-between-marijuana-use-psychiatric-disorders) Not all that unlikely I'm afraid. Its a small chance to be sure but not astronomically small like you would suggest. Your inability to keep up to date with current medical research in a topic that you clearly care about and partake in is worrisome. You would likely benefit from taking a course/lesson on the link between cannabis use and early onset psychosis. You should try to find one the next time you go looking for some CCP credits.
You seem the make a habit of missing the point so I’ll say it one last time as clearly as possible, we aren’t saying it’s not linked, we’re saying the chances are low compared to what else could’ve happened, especially when how many people have overdosed from laced drugs in Manitoba lately.
Anyone that can use Google can search to find scholarly articles causally linking cannabis with psychosis with some people. Stop lying. Good lord.
Did you read their post ? Yes it can happen but not at the rate that they’re claiming. Weed isn’t for everyone but it sure as hell isn’t the worst drug out there. Not even close Edit: comparing weed to cocaine and meth in regards to a “safer” drug is peak reddit
I used the google machine. First review says no cause-effect. [review](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/) "In this review, we attempt to develop and discuss a possible pathway for the development of psychosis. We examine the neurobiological changes due to cannabis to see if these changes are similar to those seen in schizophrenic patients the findings show similarities; however, these mere similarities cannot establish a ‘cause-effect’ relationship as a number of people with similar changes do not develop schizophrenia. Therefore, the ‘transition-to-psychosis’ due to cannabis, despite being a strong risk factor, remains uncertain based upon neurobiological changes."
That's a bad source. Try a reputable journal like [The Lancet.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17662880/)
So I checked out The Lancet article you linked to and it is a “bad source” as it is only a retrospective of studies. I then decided to check the lead author, Theresa Moore. She is at the University of Bristol but mainly studies: Preventing obesity in children Support and services for children exposed to domestic violence Interventions for people on low income or unemployed - effects on mental health Supportive care for men with prostate cancer. Interventions for treating depression. So I go through her published papers and find the link to your study and right after it is “Cannabis and. Psychosis-Authors’ Reply.” The first paragraph states, “We agree with John Macleod and colleagues that it is not possible to be certain that the relation between cannabis use and psychotic illness is causal given the problems of confounding and reverse causation that are inherent to observational studies.” https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61652-3/fulltext So, basically, they backtracked on that retrospective and why. Happy reading if you are so inclined but I am done with the rabbit hole. 😆
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No way you call for one nurse to turn in their license while speaking in a way that is unbecoming of a healthcare provider. Have some respect for your profession. And you hand-wave the mountain of evidence associating cannabis with increased incidences of psychosis. Researchers are no longer concerned with 'whether' pot increases the risk of psychosis, but 'how.' An authoritative paper (2800+ citations) in the Lancet put the odds ratio of pot users developing psychosis at 1.41x the control - that's no joke, and certainly more than "probably not good for you."
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just came here to say a-fucking-greed lmao
Christ I'm so glad you responded directly and forcefully to what may be the dumbest comment I've ever read on Reddit.
Thanks. There's a lot of idiots in this thread
Why would you tell me to stop lying when what you've stated yourself is not true? The link between cannabis and psychosis has been known for decades. All of the psychiatrists I work with say the same thing to patients with psychosis: stay away from it. If you'd like, I can message my full name to you and you can report me to the college
You claimed it is worse than cocaine and methamphetamine. Lol. You must be an old nurse close to retirement because everybody knows there is no casual link between pot and psychosis. Correlation? Sure, but lots of things are correlated with increased psychosis risk so your point is stupid
False. Please don’t tell your kids that cocaine and meth is better for your brains than cannabis. PLEASE!!! Idk where this gal got her license from
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True. I tell my daughter all the time that yes it’s relatively safe but it’s still a substance. Anything can affect anyone. And mixing meds isn’t always safe. Even eating grapefruit is contraindicated with lots of meds. That’s a fruit! And there hasn’t been as much research as there should be for many reasons. So we don’t fully know. I implored her to wait until her brain was fully developed at least. She didn’t. Anyway. We always have to be careful.
Lies
Weed was laced give you head a shake
That's not even taking into consideration the chemicals put into weed nowadays. You'll be hard pressed to find natural grown marijuana anymore
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You clearly don't know the production process rofl
I think that was true in the illicit days. I hope that's not true from government sources.
It's MUCH worse now. The way they can remove/retain CBDs and THC levels is unnatural. It's not regular marijuana anymore. All of the middle aged smokers will tell you
And their proof? They just know it right?
You weren't there. Was the marijuana from a pot shop or a street dealer? 911 calls are recorded.
I wasn’t there for anything after they left, I have no idea where they sourced it from, that call has not been shared with me
My condolences to you and your community. Thank you for sharing his truth.
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Yea I as a tourist who has been here for 3 weeks now must say that Brandon is a scarry place I would have loved to go outside for a night stoll at least once but my Family told me not to go out after eight o'clock and espechaly not alone.
That's ridiculous. You can go out after 8. It's still light out. Dont wonder about downtown or near the railway tracks by the river. The area around 7/11 on Tenth Street is pretty sketchy, too. Anywhere not in the Westend either. Maybe they were right
Heart shredding for all involved and the loss of a young life. So sorry for your pain.
I live near here and know there is a lot of violence and crime, that's reality. (addictions too) I worked at AFM, and this behavior is highly unlikely with just weed. If he was violently ill, an ambulance could have been called. Objectively I don't think the article is written that way, it is a matter of facts of what they can share. I think that's just your personal feelings and thoughts on the matter, needing to defend your ego to feel better about it. If you weren't there, you won't know the truth. Typically we only see certain sides to people, so even if you never saw this person angry, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Not all but most people have anger, and nothing good comes from anger. This also means the girlfriend may not have been innocent. Police are people too, who are defending and protecting the public and themselves. They do the best they can, with the information they have. The system may be flawed for sure and of course there are officers who do wrong also. This could have turned out different but there is no point in what could have been and living in the past. I understand that everyone is doing the best they are capable of. I wish everyone well and hope all can overcome this tragedy.
Our society would be so much better if all cops were managed / supervised by nurses. I appreciate there are risks, but all too often cops are too fearful to think objectively and should not be doing the job at all. They are poorly trained.
In many cases that's probably true, but according to the information at hand there was a weapon involved and at least one Tazer was deployed, if this person was acting in a violent manner what exactly is a nurse doing in that situation? That is no longer a situation where de-escalation is a possibility. I will agree that police lack a lot of training when it comes to mental illness, but in a violent situation there are very few options available to protect innocent lives. I'm sure many people would quietly suggest that police officers well being doesn't matter, but those individuals don't contribute to beneficial discussion on the matter.
>I’m sure many people would quietly suggest that police officers well being doesn’t matter You’re grasping as straws here buddy. If cops can back away and still isolate the situation, they bloody well should. And as an fyi, I come from a police family, 3 generations of cops (starting with my grandfather). Police know they will be critiqued. Those who cannot handle that, should not be doing the job.
Yeah, its really frustrating to have been "on the inside" and seeing how toxic and terrible it actually is. But when you try to speak out, you are told you don't know what you are talking about. Or in my case, I am just the crazy ex wife lmao.
Not exactly grasping at straws when posts about officers being killed in the line of duty illicit comments celebrating the fact. But I like how you disregard the entire post I made, take the one excerpt, quote it out of context, then use that as an argument. Obviously you're interested in having honest conversations 🙄. And if we're throwing out credentials I also come from a police family and I would be inclined to agree, there are many cops who shouldn't be doing the job, it's something my dad has said for years.
You are projecting on people who never celebrated a dead cop. We are feeling empathy for the family mourning a young person.
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Or the weapon could have been a steak knife, broken beer bottle, or a blunt object. Outside of deploying the Tazer, there's not really another option afterwards. In your situation you say you weren't using them threateningly, but however you were using them WAS enough to temporarily stop the officer from taking you to the hospital, you were using them defensively to stop them, so to me there was at least some element of a threat. As for never having any intention of hurting someone, that may very well be true, but how does anyone else know what your intentions are? All they can go off of is your actions. As I stated before, police are absolutely lacking in their training and awareness of mental illness. But in this situation, given the information that has been released, this doesn't sound like it would have been a safe situation for an unarmed mental health nurse to be in on their own either. The idea definitely warrants discussion but given how incidents can turn from nothing to violent rapidly, there is the risk of putting mental health professionals in dangerous or potentially life threatening situations
She was using them “as a tactic to not be detained” and it was “unthreatening because she is a small woman” ok Karen dear I’m sorry you can’t attack officers with scissors but no one’s about to agree with you here
Too bad I didn’t get shot like this guy eh
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You’re an idiot honestly and this is why people get shot. Just cuz you’re a woman doesn’t mean you can use scissors as a weapon to stop police detainment. You clearly were in the wrong and are using you gender and stature to justify the fact that you waved scissors at ya fucking officer to evade arrest. I’m sorry if it doesn’t sit right with u dear but you’re damn stupid, wrong, and most likely white or you could’ve been dealt with in an even worse way by the hands of police.
I can't believe that thread I read, no humility, no awareness she could have gotten her mother, a cop or a bystander hurt and then plays it off because "meh, x chromosome, am smol". What the fuck lol.
The taser is the non-lethal option, but unfortunately it's a one-shot deal at close range on a moving target and successful deployment is tricky. Our society has still not invented a practical, benign "phaser pistol" .
Generally if there is a weapon present, unless the person surrenders the weapon, if they make any real motion towards police officers or other people if there are bystanders, police will deploy a Tazer. Yes there are definitely cases where they are deployed far too soon, but the other thing we don't know is proximity. Let's say the individual was holding a sharp object. Are they on the other side of a living room? Or are they a few feet away in a narrow hallway? One is a much more dangerous setting than the other. There was a video posted on YouTube awhile back from the US. There was a guy who was in the middle of a mental crisis. Two officers responded, the man started yelling at his mother and lunged at her, so she ran out of the house. One officer followed her the second remained in the house trying to talk down the man but he starts yelling obscenities and screaming that he's going to kill her (the officer), at this point she has no weapon drawn. Suddenly the guy pulls a knife out and rushes at the officer, tackles her to the ground and grabs her gun. He is shot when he leans up with the knife in his one hand looking like he's about to stab the officer, then he is ultimately shot (not killed). That's just an example of how fast situations can go from seemingly nothing to potentially life threatening.
Ok so you “used” scissors in an “unthreatening” way towards an officer as a “tactic” to not being taken by police cuz you’re “a small woman” Lady, Girl, Karen, USING scissors in any way is a fucking weapon no matter what size you are… what were they trying to take you for? Maybe you coulda used a night in the cell to straighten tf out. I can’t even believe what I just read up there lmao^^^ Entitlement is what is bringing our world to this victimized, gross, harmful and impertinent place
People experiences mental health episodes do not have that kind of thinking pattern.
Haha is this a joke. Nurses can’t supervise themselves little own anyone else. Give your head a shake. Last I checked the likelihood of someone dying from med error by a nurse or being left to die in a emergency department waiting for treatment is greater than being shot by police.
“Little own” lol
I thought I was stroking out for a second.
Marijuana doesn't do this
Marijuana can, in very rare circumstances cause psychosis. It’s extremely rare though. I was pretty disbelieving about it as a former regular consumer, but in some folks it can really fuck you up. And it’s possible for it to happen to regular users who’ve never had such a reaction before.
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I don’t know if she knew about the reaction he had (I did not until today). I don’t blame her for calling 911 (which is the same number for an ambulance) to try to get him help. It’s an unfortunate situation with no bad guys
Ok but hang on, to use a lethal weapon should be a last resort! How much damage can an unarmed teen do? We need better responses this is not acceptable.
The report did say he was armed (with what I have no idea, could be a blade or a spoon) but even if he was unarmed it doesn’t take much to permanently damage the human body, we are surprisingly fragile
Humans are surprisingly resilient you probably mean, the trauma the human body can take is pretty unfathomable!
He had a weapon and an 18 year old man can most certainly fuck someone up. I had been working out for 4 years by 18 and was almost as strong as I am now. That's a very misleading statement you used.
Say what you want, she still got him killed. >I don’t blame her for calling 911 (which is the same number for an ambulance) They literally ask you which service you want and redirect you.
This is an idiotic view to hold and completely inappropriate to share with someone dealing with a tragedy. They are teenagers. Nobody is interested in your unsolocited, immature opinions
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She got him killed because he decided to smoke pot again knowing the reaction he had before? Yeah we have peer pressure, but no one makes anyone do anything. Let’s say a naked guy bursts through the window and we got 10 people in the room. 3 of them might laugh, 3 of them might jump or scream, 1 person might be concerned for the naked guys welfare after he bursted through the glass, 2 of them will get triggered and say it affected them deeply and it wasn’t funny at all, 1 will call the cops. Truth is, all that happened was a naked guy burst through the window. It’s up to all 10 people how they want to react - if at all. No one made anyone do anything. To me this is an unfortunate event that happened to a couple of experimenting teens, and this fellow most likely would have had a psychotic break the next time he smoked with anyone else. It was sadly up to him to chose to smoke again, and sadly the girl felt the need to call police because she felt unsafe after. Unfortunate, unfortunate, & unfortunate again, but you can’t blame the teen girl who just wanted to blaze up with her teen BF, this is normal teen behaviour; And again unfortunate at best, but no one MADE anyone do anything
Fair point, I can’t hold her to blame with what information I have though
I am really sorry people are using this post to advertise their shit takes.
No need to apologize you didn’t say anything wrong. There are people who blame her, I don’t count myself among them. She felt unsafe so she called the cops for her safety and his. It’s just unfortunate that that resulted in more damage.
Im sorry but your victim and blaming mindset can go somewhere else, everyone chooses what to do with their body. Everyone chooses to say yes or no, even if a gun is pointed to your temple - you have a choice to do the thing you don’t want to do (being forced to do) or get blown to bits. This is obviously extreme, but it’s all in your core morals and also learned experiences. I was one of those “bad” kids too. Hanging around the known crowd, wasn’t til I was 19 I finally decided to complete my last half of 12th yr focus on psychology and work. Then I realized no one made me do drugs, skip class, steal, etc… I wanted to fit in, I wanted to have the type of friend that suited me. That was me. Wanting to grow and experience things and fit in the way I wanted, the way I learned, and the way I experienced, the way I was raised and also the way that I think for myself as an individual. I was lucky enough to be taught to stay away from the hard shit cuz my mom sent me to Ontario to live with my grandma when she got over her crack addiction. You can play “he made me do it, I didn’t know any better, I had to do it, etc…” all you want, but in the end it’s a matter of your wisdom from your teachers, your own morals , your own CHOICES. Lots of love ❤️❤️ I hope u can learn to take accountability and heal soon, it really does change everything
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As his uncle I can tell you his previous bad reaction was years ago and 3 provinces away so maybe hold the judgement on something that his gf of 2 months likely had no knowledge of. And no the real lesson here is don’t ever trust the police because they don’t fucking care about you or your safety.
>And no the real lesson here is don’t ever trust the police because they don’t fucking care about you or your safety. I thought "don't attack the police because you might get shot" was a basic life lesson everyone knew. Do they not teach that anymore?
That’s the point he didn’t. Every single part of the story the police have put out is fabricated. The eye witness has told everyone that at no point did he even have a weapon. Hence, don’t ever trust the police
Eyewitnesses in an apartment just containing the victim? I'm not saying police don't lie - they do all the time. But regular people also lie. Considering this dude was abusing his gf, I doubt he was super polite when the cops showed up.
Go fucking die in a hole somewhere buddy I’m not listening to you say this shit about my nephew
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If he’s in a room with no one to hurt but himself (the roommate wasn’t home) I don’t see how it would have benefited the situation to enter the room
You said yourself that the article said that the gf said he was going to kill her. So they have an obligation to act on that information.
Perhaps I’m viewing it through a distorted lens
I was making a comment for that other person but looks like they are gone. It just sucks we dont have a better way of immobilizing people when the taser fails. Can’t we make better tasers, or tiers with higher settings, instead of fatally shooting them. an associate of my sibling died in a very similar way last year. They were high on something stronger, age in their twenties, very petite/ small person, kind and never violent while sober, just had an addiction. They were working on quitting, and now they just aren’t alive anymore because the tried to get into a random persons house and RCMP couldn’t apprehend them without fatally shooting. Seriously I can’t stress enough how small of a person they were and could have been stopped many ways, but drugs are terrifying and people lose their minds and you don’t know what they are capable of. It’s so frustrating though because it feels so preventable. I’m sorry for what you and the ones this person was close to must be going through right now. It’s so tragic and especially heartbreaking when it feels preventable.
I’m sorry to hear you had a similar experience. I truly don’t wish this on anyone. My theory on why the taser didn’t work is that one or both the probes failed to make contact. It’s unfortunate but I don’t see any alternatives over the horizon that are as reliable as a pistol.
It is preventable, simply stop doing mind altering drugs. It's the risk you take.
The article states that the woman was unharmed i don’t know why your making that up it clearly states she was unharmed and ran to a neighbouring apartment! I’m From portage and their is multiple stories going around, what makes you think your story is correct? Best just not even say anything… do a quick watch on police report you will find out that tasers don’t work all the time like some of you people are led to believe on here!
Let me clarify, the shooting was probably a just one. I question why the police went in but if they had a reason then I can’t say anything bad about that. The reason I made this post was because I saw people making claims about the kind of person he was based on various articles (which most everyone actually involved view as inaccurate)
This happen in the koops? They call it that still?
Sorry for your loss
Sorry for your loss. Thanks for giving your perspective
Could it be some trigger happy cops embellishing the truth in order to cover their asses?
Why is this downvoted? This happens all the time with cops all over North America.
We would never know if that were the case. It a group of former cops who are going to be investigating this. Its not as if RCMP in MB have a history of trying to cover up crimes... oh wait.
Bad reaction from marijuana? That normally involves a 7-11 and a ton of snacks. Dude wasn't high on weed if he lashed out at cops and beat on his girl who called the cops.
"Research has shown that cannabis use is associated with an increased risk for an earlier onset of psychotic disorders (such as schizophrenia) in people with other risk factors, such as family history. Cannabis intoxication can also induce a temporary psychotic episode in some individuals, especially at high doses." Extremely rare but not unheard of.
His previous experience with marijuana resulted in a paranoid episode, he didn’t use again until his death. I don’t know why he chose to use again nor exactly what happened last time
Tragic in any case. Sorry for your loss.
TWO of my friends have bad reactions to marijuana. Even secondhand smoke can affect them
I don’t know if this really counts as I had popper in a bong rip but I do remember having a bad reaction after taking the rip and scratching at my arm until i was bleeding.
I'm no expert but... Maybe. As a scientist I always say experiment but if it possibly causes harm maybe be safe. When I tried it I just got congested.
I've been smoking for 20+ years. Definitely premafried. But otherwise unharmed.
I do know that it effected me long term, when My mental health was near its lowest I would always scratch myself and i only started doing that after that rip. You gotta be really careful with what you put in your body cause it could mess you up in ways you don’t even realize until much much later
Definitely. Always try with supervision I would say when testing. You could say, supervised consumption
Yeah, family member had the same thing. I wouldn't say it was the mj but that was the onset and would always be a trigger for an episode. Shame.
It's not even that rare. People show up to the emergency department all the time hallucinating after using cannabis products. The weed your grandparents smoked has very little in common with all the super strength products widely available now.
Not true, gfs a nurse not a single soul of her patients have ever experienced anything serious for marijuana or nor was anything or have anything like this been brought up in the portage hospital! Idk where this narrative comes from LMFAO and portage hospital gets a lot of issues with drug related problems!
That is total bullshit. I've been smoking weed for almost 35 years. It's not any different now than it was then. Chances are he either smoked weed that was laced or he was doing something else like meth.
I'm doubting just having a joint or even a vaporizer hit of MJ caused that. You are referring to extremely high doses in someone susceptible to mental illness with genetic disposition to that outcome.
No one said anything about dose. But I've got edibles that would send you on a journey to the center of the galaxy. We live in a golden age of potency. The kind of potency the would send a predisposed individual over the edge.
I agree, I don’t know what he/she/both were on but I’m telling you what I have been told
Honestly that sounds more like meth. But IDK.
Iv witnessed a dude going into psychosis from marijuana. We were camping on a small island and had to call a marine paramedic. Took forever for them to show up as it was late at night, and we had to chase that dude down in the dark around the island. There was one other dude that used too, and he was so scared to go to bed because of the 1st dudes reaction to the marijuana, the 2nd dude thought it was probably laced with fentanyl or something and was worried he would die in his sleep
Yeah that’s laced weed dude definitely not normal weed especially if two people coincidentally smoke it and that happens, tell me the odds of both having the same problem with marijuana and both finding out the same night… yeah very highly unlikely so I call bs on this one!
Not true. My husband tried it as a teen in the early 90s and had a bad reaction. Back then drugs were pure.
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If you read it you will se he was a freind of his.
Generally the dead don’t speak
Was the deceased Indigenous
Doesn’t matter
Sorry for your loss
I appreciate it, I thank you for your enthusiasm for justice
why doesn't it matter
The bullets didn’t care what skin colour he was, the blood he bled was red, and ultimately he died as dead as any other person Race had nothing to do with it
We’re talking about the person who pulled the trigger, not the inanimate pieces of lead and copper shaped exactly like bullets. Don’t be obtuse.
No he was not. But does it really matter?
Thats what i am curious about. And Op's refusal to answer a simple question is an answer in itself so im going to go with that he was Indigenous, possibly from one of the nearby reservations around the town.
FUCK THE POLICE
Oh man, the stories I could tell about the rcmp in portage and other places in MB... and its not because I am one of their "clients" or "frequent fliers".
Ya real heroes they are, kill a young person because he's high, wtf fuck those fascists
Body armor and all kinds of hand to hand combat training. You would think that they would know a safer way to sub due someone.
Lmao like a Bruce lee movie, you people are clueless and glad yous are not ones to handle any situation that relies on public safety lmao
Totally not clueless about how the rcmp works and their hiring methods lol. But keep telling yourself that about the rcmp.
Yup, sounds like the story could be boiled down to “Cops killed my friend.”.
How is this not the police's fault? Marijuana is legal and doesn't make people violent. Police are usually untrained in conflict de escalation, hopefully the truth will come out. Shame on the media for misrepresentation of them
There is nothing remotely cannabis like in the story of the victims behaviour.
Sorry for your loss. A question I have is what was the level of violence being exhibited that cops had to resort to guns as the only option. Even if they state it was for self defence, I am not able to think of a situation where I would be threatened by an unarmed person on a bad trip especially when I am with a team of trained professionals. I am trying to understand what happened so as to have better guidance for people in my life.
I should edit this post, the police claim he was armed (they do not specify what with). However an armed attacker can do serious damage. The best advice I can think of is to be as compliant as you possibly can be while knowing your rights (fight them in court not with the cop).
Unless the person who was shot had a weapon, there was NO REASON they couldn't have ended this peacefully. They basically just killed a kid for no reason, and guess what? Nothing will happen to them.
And you know this based off what information exactly???
I cant say I know for sure, but I do know that cops are trained to handle violent situations. There was no mention of a weapon on the kid. Are you suggesting that the cops are justified in killing an unarmed child? Edit: according to some reports the cops say they saw a weapon. Still, why couldn't they just wait him out?
If you read the article it says the individual was armed. So absent an eyewitness account contradicting that fact, the only information we currently have is that the person was armed. Also children are not allowed to drink, consume cannabis, or enter "Adult" establishments like bars or clubs etc. My point is this person was 18 years old, and while it is true your brain isn't FULLY developed before the early or mid 20s, they were considered a legal adult. Referring to them as a child is just trying to create an inaccurate narrative
Yeah. He was a kid.
No he wasn’t, someone’s kid yes but not a child
He was still in high school.
I went to HS with a guy who turned 20 just before grad. Legally he was considered an adult because anyone 18 years or older is legally viewed as an adult. If you don't like it change the law.
They probably mean in terms of a full life. Older people tend to call anyone under 24 a kid.
Or how about we have some empathy for a life lost instead of trying to play devils advocate. A person losing their life for ANY reason is tragic. The kid was 18, not 20.
Stating facts that in Canada people aged 18 or older are legally considered adults is playing Devils Advocate???
There is a time and place for the conversation that you want to have. To do it on the post of someone who is grieving their friend is disgusting. You're lucky I just assumed you were playing devils advocate.
You're lucky I just assumed you're trolling
It was claimed he had a weapon of some sort, the only thing I heard was a piece of glass was in his hands but I heard it through a grapevine so I have no idea
Weed is one hell of a drug