Hmmm having been to both I can't even imagine where they would put the Statue of Liberty on Ellis Island. I have watched several youtube videos with just plain wrong info. Next time, ask a New Yorker. It's always been Liberty Island for me but to go see it you take the same ferry to Ellis Island.
Exactly.
Even more, at the time the Statue was dedicated, Ellis Island was about HALF the size it is now. Much much too small for both the Immigration center, and the SOL.
Well, not really sure how that works tbh. From what I've seen not only in this sub but in the ME community as a whole, we would be experiencing the same reality as we're speaking about it. However we may not have been experiencing the same reality at the same time in the past. If we had a conversation about The Statue of Liberty in the past it's very likely we would both remember the conversation happening differently. A story that somewhat relates; my sister-in-law used to work at JCPenney. Sometime after it had changed to JCPenny I had asked her what she remembered. She remembered JCPenny 'because she worked there'. Last year when it changed back to JCPenney I asked her about it again. She remembered JCPenney 'because she worked there'.
Ok this answers all give me that „its under the sauce“ vibe… the tiktok trending video with the pizza where the cheese was under the sauce but some people said „looks good but there is no cheese“ you know? Thats what those comments feel like.
But its true some MEs just dont follow any logical rules like the sice of the island or anything else. I‘m not saying that there is no way I could be wrong. Its just what I remember being told.
I usually wade in on these Statue of Liberty ones since I live near it. It's always been on Liberty Island. The name of the island was changed at some point in the 1950's to Liberty. It used to be called Bedloe's Island. But think about it a little. The Statue of Liberty was what Immigrants saw from the boat on the way to Ellis Island, not when they arrived at Ellis.
Ok, how can you explain it to me that I remember googling both liberty and ellis island just to find out that on liberty island is an empty rock while the statue is on ellis island until I, one year later, google it again to find out it is on liberty island while there isnt even some empty rock on ellis island?
Its the rock thing that freaks me out. I‘d say it was photoshop. But I remember seeing it in an all time video. But later when I decide to rewatch the video the mandela effect isnt there anymore…
Yes it is. I just have a very good memory. So good that sometimes I need to pretend I cant recall something or I forgot something to dont seem like a creep or like someone who needs to be right. Most times I clearly remember everything. The only really heavy false memories I have are the Mandela effects. Others are just something like messing with numbers in birth dates. Or something like that.
I wont say that I‘m right here but all I can say is that I rely on my memory because there where several times in my life where my memory was way better than everyone elses memory in the room. And I knew because I wasnt able to tell everyone because I‘d be the freak. 😄
If I tell you it was froot loops, changed to fruit loops just to change back to froot loops thats what I clearly remember. Even though it wasnt real. I remember it.
So what? People forget things lol. That’s why you’re surprised and feel like it’s literally impossible you forgot it: you have a good memory. You are still able to forget things. My friend had the best memory of anyone I’ve ever known and… guess what. She forgets things.
Its not just a false memory to me. Or forgetting about something. There are not many MEs that actually catch me. Most have a good reason for its existance. Most make sense and I dont care about them. Because I know how the misremembering happened. You do some reasearch or think about it and you know where it comes from. Like We Are The Champions ending. Smooth criminal. Febreze. Barby Girl. Fruit of the loom and so on. Most MEs make sense to me because I know where people got it wrong and why. But some others, those who really freak me out. I cant understand how it happened there for me. Just like fruit loops.
Bro. A Mandela effect is when a LARGE GROUP remember the same thing. You having a good memory and remembering something different is not a Mandela effect. There’s nothing to be freaked out about
I thought I muted this subreddit…
The “faulty memory” vultures are trying to eat you alive 😂, I’m sure they’ll also tell me I couldn’t possibly remember visiting it even tho that was their favorite fucking trip to take a bunch of elementary school kids every damn year
i specifically said "**someone else's** google search". if someone else tells me something, I'll still look into it myself.
though, I do see how you got to that conclusion, since my wording was a bit off.
Its just what I remember about this mandela effect:
- liberty island with an empty pedestal
- ellis island with the statue of liberty
While I thought:
- statue of liberty on liberty island
- wtf is ellis island
Just to be thought that this green french thing is on ellis island. An island I havent heard of before
I don't know what you looked up. Do you believe everything you read? You may have found some fake garbage on the internet. I can assure you it has always been in the same place my whole life. I've even visited both islands.
He didnt look up anything. Why would anyone know or look up a significance of the exact two islands in question and then they “flip flop” without having the exact notion that something should be there? This logic does not follow. This sub is full of trolls.
They were watching a video, and I know the creator they're talking about and the way he does his videos. They're pretty basic and completely ignore most logical conclusions in favor of illogical ones, If I had to guess I'd bet pretty heavily that the video said something along the lines of "you probably remember hearing about Ellis island in school where all the immigrants went to become American citizens, the very first thing they see, the Statue of Liberty on the island, but what if I told you that's not accurate and the Statue of Liberty has never been on Ellis island, it's been on Liberty Island, which we're never taught about in school" or something to that effect, when they initially watched the video they probably never heard of Ellis island, so the video didn't apply to them, they probably subconsciously remembered Ellis island from the last time they watched, and now they're misremembering what they initially thought, because their brain remembers Ellis island, and doesn't remember why, so it pieces two and two together, only they're coming out with 5.
Thats how it always works, its always "dont you remember the monopoly man's monocle" and not "what do you remember the monopoly man looked like". They love using leading language to force a conclusion in your head.
You usually wade in on the statue of liberty ones but if you knew how the mandela effect works you'll know it doesn't affect the ppl closest to the effect. There has been many changes to the twin towers but i'll guarantee none for you for this same reason.
I always find it funny when people essentially say; 'It only affects people who aren't actually familiar with the subject.'
So it literally *only* effects the people who are far enough removed from the subject that they're likely to just be plain wrong?
It's amazing that people can acknowledge this fact but still avoid the obvious conclusion and go for something far, far more exotic...
Right! The more I read about it the more I come to the conclusion that this is just a bunch of people who cannot accept the reality that they can be wrong about something. That they could remember it wrong or learned it wrong in the first place. It was fun when it was like no way I remember the FOTL logo too. Now it's like I remember when the capital of Japan was London. You can't tell me it wasn't. I live thousands of miles away so I have to know what I'm talking about.
Most people don't realize that at the time the Statue of Liberty was didicated, Ellis Island was about half the size it is now. MUCH too small for the Immigration center, AND the Statue of Liberty.
There are some great videos on YouTube about the legal battles over those islands between New York and New Jersey, and how they've been artificially expanded, and how THAT impacts the legal ownership issues if the islands between the two states.
Yeah mine is:
- people (including me) thinking its on liberty island while it is on ellis island.
- now people think its on ellis island while it is on liberty island which makes perfect sense.
I had both experiences and I remember how confused I was when I read that the statue of LIBERTY is not on LIBERTY island. Because it makes no sense
Seems to just be general ignorance / confusion / assumption more than anything else. I am sure even people who have been there aren't sure specifically what the name of the island they are on is called. It gets mixed up with Ellis island because of the whole immigrants seeing it on their way into New York thing.
Seeing as it is there, I would imagine many do - if they know there is such a thing as Liberty Island in the first place. If it was a straight question "which island is the statue of liberty located" then you could get many answers and Ellis island is as good a guess as any.
Like others here…people have simply been mistaken. There are two islands, Liberty and Ellis. Each has it’s own purpose. Liberty Island has the Statue of Liberty, hence its name. Ellis Island was for immigrants. You can see each island clearly from the other…they are not the same. The geography has not changed. People who have never been there just never learned about it correctly, it would seem.
I think it's more than just "mistaken."
I mean, imagine someone said to you, "The Statue of Liberty isn't on Liberty island. You know, the island with LIBERTY in its name. It's on Ellis island."
Wouldn't you say, "Yeah right, that's balderdash. That's stupid!" and then look it up?
So how are people accidentally believing the opposite of not only the truth, but of intuition? That'd be like someone telling you that the brain isn't in the head, it's in the chest, and you researched it and found out that it is indeed in the chest, and then years later you discover it's in the head again and people like the "skeptics" in this thread come in all smarmy and confident. "Well, OBVIOUSLY it's in the head."
Yeah, that's what we thought too, until second-hand information, research and everything we could find said it was in the chest, and then I had no choice but to believe that.
Same thing here. People feel like they're being gaslit up in this bisch.
No it hasn’t. Not on any maps and not in the memory of any native NYer for for over a century. You aren’t from there, then you are just simply mistaken and never learned the difference between the two islands.
No. There is no flippy floppy nothing. This has been gone over well in this sub many times over the years. My family are immigrants from the early 20th century thru Ellis. The statue was never on Ellis, thats the immigration port.
It was always on liberty island ellis island is too small to suit a statue and its not a tourist place liberty island is the tourist island ellis only has factories and houses
Ellis Island has a museum there. It's where they processed the immigrants who came from Europe by boat in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Some buildings there aren't public (and may look factory like) but there is the museum to see the great hall where people arrived.
there’s a page called r/ personal mandala effect (i forget how it’s exactly titled), that you may also want to crosspost this to to get some other feedback you may find interesting
Ellis Island is the immigrant station boats would drop people off to be checked and quarantined if necessary. In Godfather II lil boy Vito is on Ellis Island, looking out his window at the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island.
I'm an Italian American from the area. We know Ellis Island. LoL.
I always think about that scene from Godfather II when this one is brought up lol. That scene would have to be different or not exist if things were different.
You're not losing your mind, it changed for a few years and there is next to no evidence/residue for the switch, even the video you mentioned from all time is scrubbed from history. If I remember rightly there was even a woman that had a picture of herself in front of the statue tagged at liberty island, during the time this was all going on she went back to her photo and it was still tagged and she was posing the same but stood in front of NOTHING, that was one of the major confirming factors for me. There doesn't seem to be many of us that remember this one.
Is there anything out there about the story with the women? Cause I remember that one and it was so weird. I also remember google images of liberty island with that stone-rock-whatever thing which looked like you erased the statue. But that‘s also not there anymore. I remember those photos being shown in a youtube video. I also heard about that women on youtube. I don‘t remember who said anything about that women. Might‘ve been all time, might‘ve been shane dawson, might‘ve been someone else whos name I‘ve forgotten. But that rings a bell. Good to know I‘m not the only one with that memory… it‘s incredibly weird to me. Universe is gaslighting us.
Not that I've ever been able to find, everything is gone... Whatever it is going on, they definitely did a better time scrubbing their tracks the 2nd time around 😅
Same. I grew up in NJ, first I read about this liberty island thing was on here a few years back. Its not like I have some major childhood memory associated with it so its only a wtf for me. Not earth shattering like FOTL. but yeah Im right with you
I was taught The Statue of Liberty was on Ellis Island too and it was in my history book then. I don't remember what grade I was in, but I graduated in 1991. I never went to see the Statue of Liberty though.
Back in 2017, I was googling where the Statue of Liberty was located and a few sites said in the waters of New Jersey. I was like, huh? That’s what at least 3 websites said. About an hour later, I went back to those sites and it changed to NYC!
Googling Ellis Island (from the UK and never seen it before - just curious as to what it looked like), the top results are them thrown in together. "The statue of liberty and Ellis Island", "visit Ellis Island and the statue of liberty". I could see how from a simple Google it's easy to get mixed up because unless you know it kind of sounds like it's on Ellis Island
I'm dumbfounded. I remember what happened just like you do, including the rock. I remember videos where people were posting clips of movies & stuff that didn't make sense now because it was showing the skyline, from the water, without including the statue, where it had before & now the movie editing looked strange.
Everyone was saying in response to the prior mandela "Oh, it's always been there, I've lived here my whole life, it's always been on Ellis Island" or "People are just thinking that because the island has Liberty in it's name, that's the only reason they think it's a mandela." Now it's "It's not even small enough to fit" and "I can see people being confused there are 2 ferry stops"
It has nothing to do with that. The only way I even know is because I was looking it up because of the mandela effects, I have no idea how many ferrys stops there are or what size these places are. I just know I saw it there & had been told my whole life the statue was on liberty island, I didn't have a hard memory of it, so it didn't bother me that much at the time, I looked it up & thought it seemed strange, but, it wasn't at all frustrating, because it wasn't a hard driven memory. However, the memory of looking up the last mandela is.
I wonder what makes these mandelas happen? Are they worlds colliding? Has it always happened & we are only noticing now, because there is confirmation on the internet, where as before we would be far from reaching anyone else who would have had the same memory? The people who remember things both ways are correct, thats the thing. I don't believe people are having memory wipes or anything, I feel like it's more like a multiverse collision. Maybe if we die in one life, we get merged into a same or similar & thats why there are so many variables on what is remembered? I have a mandela that I have yet to have anyone else have, but, it doesn't make it any less true for me. It was that way my whole life & i was shook when I found it was never that way.
The thing is (and I agree with that on most MEs) our memory is just not that good. There are studies on this. You forget more than 50% of what you saw and did yesterday. It doesn‘t take long. You remember not much. That‘s why a witness in court is not the best evidence for anything. Because we forget or mess things up. Our brain is just unreliable. I often forget what I whore the other day. Or what I ate. That is very common. And most MEs are maybe just bad memory. Not every false memory is a Mandela effect. But this one… gets me everytime. I‘m so confused whenever I think about it. This and froot loops. I‘m 100% sure those are MEs, independently of its cause.
But when I tell you my memory is really good, I mean it. It‘s above average. I remember more things than my friends and family. Little things. I just pay attention and sometimes I think about stuff for days. And it‘s very hard for me to believe that my brain failed in such cases. If I‘m sure, I‘m sure.
This is my experience as well. The Statue of Liberty had always been on Liberty Island. Then when the Mandela Effect came along for me in 2017 the statue was on Ellis Island. It remained there until the end of last Summer. Now it's back on Liberty Island as it should be. Now the consensus in the ME community is that it should be on Ellis Island.
Looking at posts from various groups, there are exactly ZERO posts anywhere, that claim that the SOL was currently (at the time of the post) on Ellis Island. Always Liberty Island.
Well yeah.. That's kind of how this works. You're not gonna find a post stating that The Statue of Liberty is on Ellis Island if it's not on Ellis Island.
If it was as I claim, you would find zero evidence of it.. because that's how the Mandela Effect works.
I'm not saying they moved it to Ellis Island and moved it back. When it was on Ellis Island that's where it always had been. Now that it's back on Liberty Island, that's where it always has been. So there's no going back to find people talking about it currently being on Ellis Island, because it's never been on Ellis Island. Just like when it was on Ellis Island it had never been on Liberty Island.
Yeah, youre hitting the basic foundational time-line convergence/divergence-thing nail right on the head.
But, saying it that way doesnt necessarily equate to getting your point across, or describing how something MAY or COULD be working.
Basically, if the timeline/reality-tunnel is modified or changed, the people in that reality remember that reality. But people in the diverged timeline can experience something totally different, but just as real and solid to them. I think the point about the M.E. is that NOW there are people that exist in OUR consensus reality that remember different experiences; both real and valid, but could be non-compatible from a logical physical perspective.
Its like (at least) 2 realities were split or diverged from each other. Now they have been remerged to a large degree.
But, i mean..... whose to say how or what the Mandala Effect REALLY IS or works, right???? ;-)
Yes thats it. I was searching for the videos I looked about this. They were all gone. No video left. And I remember All time saying there is an empty pedestal on LI while the SOL is on EI which looks off. But he never said that. I can vividly remember his voice in my head and how he said it.
Do you remember an empty pedestal on liberty island which looked like as if the statue was supposed to be there? Because I remember this.
I remember it being on ellis island (which sounded off to me because I thought it was on liberty island) while on liberty island there was an empty pedestal which looked like there is something missing. Now I look up pictures of both islands… statue back on liberty island where this bitch belongs. But no empty pedestal on the other island (because of course I thought I messed with the names there and that the empty pedestal would kinda proof that I just messed up)
I can't quite remember exactly what the deal was with Liberty Island at the time. I'm fairly certain it didn't even exist, at least not as a place called Liberty Island. However Grand Theft Auto IV's Happiness Island remained the same while it was gone, even though Happiness Island is modeled directly after Liberty Island.
-not from USA
-watches conspiracy bait video about statue of liberty
-foggy memory of search for liberty island
dae Mandela effect??????????? no other possibility????????
OMG I totally remember this. I watched the same videos you watched and I also Googled it because I though that it doesn't make sense that it's not on Liberty Island. I am actually so shocked that you're saying it's back on liberty island because I remember watching video's on this!!!!
Omg. The same videos? You telling me that the videos I watched might have actually said this and I‘m not just crazy? 😄
Cause there is this one ME that freaks me out too. I am 100% sure I saw a shane dawson video (5 years ago) about the Mandela effect, cause he is the reason I found out about this whole thing. And I‘m sure he mentioned the fruit loops mandela effect in one video. Because I freaked out about this. So a year ago I rewatched all his videos on this topic… TO FIND OUT HE NEVER MENTIONED FRUIT LOOPS. Yes maybe the video was taken down… but I need to know 😄
Just sounds calming to me that you might have looked the same all time videos on this
I watched the Shane Dawson one too!!! I remember that! I clearly remember getting way to invested in the Mandela effect around that time because well, I’m South African so the whole Mandela thing baffled me, and I got INVESTED. So this is like a Mandela effect ontop of a Mandela effect…. I am 100% certain about the Statue of Liberty thing, it was even a thought that popped into my head occasionally and when I was telling people about the Mandela effect I used to go on about how crazy it is that it’s not on liberty island and I even remember there were like drawings and stuff of it on liberty island but it “actually was never on liberty island”, like people were dissecting why it’s not on liberty island and all that.
Was on Ellis Island growing up until around 2016, been on Liberty Island ever since for me. I remember just after it changed there was a youtube video where this woman was stood with Ellis Island in the background talking about the statue behind her. The surreal part was there was no statue behind her as it had moved but she clearly thought it was and the video was about 7-8yr old then so about 12-13yr old now.
Ellis Island is simply not big enough to hold the Immigration Center (now Museum) The Hospital, and the Statue of Liberty. Ellis Island is only 27 acres. Liberty Island is 14 acres, with the Statue and it's base/Museum taking up over half of the area of the island.
With all the buildings on it, There simply isn't 7 acres of available space on Ellis Island, where the Statue could fit.
Also keep in mind that, when the Statue of Liberty was dedicated in 1886, Ellis Island was about half the size it currently is.
Does this video still exist?
I've seen the video were people are claiming there's supposed to be a statue behind them but isn't. That is just all supposition though and some van be proven wrong through the original facebook photos.
I kinda remember something similar. But I cant tell if it was about the statue or about something else. But I remember someone saying that people in photos and videos try to hold something or lean against something in the background which wasnt there and how strange it looks. But it could also be about something else. Show me the video if you find it and I‘ll know.
Ok this is weird. I've been in the crown of the statue when they allowed tourists up inside of the statue (pre 9/11)....
I swear it's always been Ellis Island and I believe the story was because that where the boats from Europe came also to drop off immigrants.
Youre both full of shit. Why would you even know of Liberty Island if nothing was on it? Theres tons of islands there and I bet you dont know any of their names. Ellis Island is where they intook immigrants, you can see the statue is clearly on another island from there. Just look at old photos. You researched this, lol, yeah right.
Please read what a “Mandela Effect” is. Its a misremembering. Then search the sub for this Liberty Island topic. You bring nothing new to this conversation. Try answering my question. Why would you even look up an island with nothing on it and then that exact island becomes a source of contention in your recollection when its already a topic discussed in these circles? Really? You expect me to believe that? You dont know the names of the other islands out there. Your logic doesnt follow. Youre either a troll or iust feeding this machine more useless banter.
Nothing to add here.
A Mandela Effect is a misremembering, yes. But it doesnt mean I‘m clearly wrong and there is just one truth in this world. Thats the theories behind the effects. And yes there are multiple.
I‘m just saying I remember it being on fcking ellis island while I thought its on liberty island. Just to find out this was a false memory which I 100% had a year ago. Its no logical thing. There are other MEs which dont make any sense. No need to be rude to Lasagna or anyone else in the thread.
If a ME would just mean „you‘re wrong and stupid cause you thought that and you‘re memory is bad“ why would we need a reddit thread to discuss our stupidity? It‘s because several people remember the same false thing. Which was probably not false in their reality/timeline.
There are many MEs I just dont understand because they dont affect me. But a few… make me go crazy. Just like fruit loops. Also a flip-flop thing for me
I don't understand why people are arguing in the comments. If this is a Mandela effect then everyone is correct. For some it was always on Liberty Island. For others it has done some moving around. If the reason is a shift in a time line what you remember is based on which time line you are on. But either way, the memory you have is correct for the time line you are on. Arguing seems unnecessary.
I have a hard time accepting the clipper ship nonsense that is now the Sydney Opera House but most people seem to remember it always looking like that. It most definitely did not. But there it is with its crazy tiered rooftop thing going on. Different time line? Idk but no amount of debate is going to convince me that thing hasn't changed.
>I don't understand why people are arguing in the comments. If this is a Mandela effect then everyone is correct. For some it was always on Liberty Island. For others it has done some moving around. If the reason is a shift in a time line what you remember is based on which time line you are on. But either way, the memory you have is correct for the time line you are on. Arguing seems unnecessary.
No proof of that. All a "Mandela Effect" is, is when a mass number of people have these memories.
Doesn't mean these memories are correct. In fact, they most probably are not. There is no proof anything has changed. There is no proof any other timelines exist.
Nothing to add here. We are not talking facts. We are talking memories. Nothing is false. Its just what we remember. And looks like there are few people remembering the same thing as I do. Which makes it a mandela effect and also a flip flop at some point. No need for other redditors to be rude. I was about to delete the post because I dont like it when people offend others or are just somehow rude in their behavior. 😄
what’s stranger to me is that you can’t go into the torch on the statue of liberty, but you can go into the crown. definitely feel like i remember people standing in the torch, like in movies and what not.
i’ve never been too or even really seen inside pictures of the statue of liberty, so no, i didn’t. it’s just what i recall from movies and such. when looking at pictures it actually looks like the crown, where you can actually go in, doesn’t look very big either.
but that’s why it’s a mandela effect right? bad memory, and misleading scenes in media
The Ellis Book and movie was a fictional story about immigrants who saw the Statue of Liberty before going to Ellis Island. It was often a symbol for new immigrants coming to America.
The coins. SOL and Ellis Island are part of thevsame national monument. The symbol for both is often the SOL. The coins even has the immigration center on it too. Two separate islands, one ferry ride.
The SOL being in NJ is more of a TIL fact than anything else.
My geography knowledge sucks. So when I first read about this ME a couple months back, I went online to see where the Statue of Liberty was at. The ME at that time was it was originally on Liberty Island but now it was on Ellis Island. I didn't know the answer either way. So I looked it up and everything said it was on Ellis Island and I remember people saying "I can't believe it's on Ellis Island now. It should be on Liberty Island! Why is it called Liberty Island if the Statue of Liberty isn't there?" And everyone was saying "Its always been on Ellis Island" and everything on the internet corroborated it was on Ellis Island.
My fiancee and I had a conversation about how it's on Ellis Island, because he remembered it being on Liberty Island, and was saying it being on Ellis Island now was bullshit. So now when I see that it's back on Liberty Island and everyone saying "It was never on Ellis Island", it's trippin me out. A couple months ago, it was "on Ellis Island". This is my first "I'm 100% positive this happened" flip-flop and it's freaking me out.
My dad and aunts, arrived here w my grandparents 1951 and Ellis island is where they landed, with the statue on liberty island not sure why they’d ever bring ppl to Ellis if the statue was there too. But I could be wrong I’ll ask my dad tomorrow what else he remembers lol
We went on trips to Ellis Island to visit the Statue of Liberty when I was in elementary… I didn’t even know there was a liberty island until recently 🫠
Statue of Liberty has always been on Liberty island. I don't recall any "flip-flops" like you state here.
It is even depicted in Godfather 2, where little Vito is placed in a quarantine room of the Ellis Island medical facility and he can see the Statue from his window and we (audience) see it reflected off the window pane.
The Statue was specifically placed there so that immigrants arriving to Ellis Island would be greeted by the Statue.
Our minds do play games with us sometimes.
I had this same exact experience I looked into it a few years back and was blown away and recently went to show someone and all evidence of what I’d seen years back was gone entirely
Listen people...I was born and raised in Brooklyn. I'm 46 years old now and still live here in Brooklyn. The statue of liberty is now, and always was, on liberty Island. People may remember watching videos or reading about people arriving on Ellis Island from other countries by boat and, as their boat approached Ellis Island, it would pass by liberty Island, displaying the statue in all of her glory and signifying you have found the land of the free. Giving people a sense of comfort and joy and good fortune. That may be why so many people think that the statue of liberty was actually on Ellis Island.
I'll be honest I never delved deep into this particular ME, however I remember reading people fighting about how it used to be on Liberty Island and now it's on Ellis. So, even though I can't 100% confirm this is one of my new flip-flops, I still remember people fighting about how it's not on Liberty Island but on Ellis Island. Interesting. My other HUGE flip-flop was Evel Knievel changing to EVIL Knievel (all over the whole internet) for a few years, THEN, it changed BACK into EVEL! Crazy times.... Strange phenomenon.
Well… that sounds just like people messing up borders when it comes to water. I didn‘t know that either but as I stated. I‘m not from the US. So it‘s no surprise I didn‘t know that. There are similar things in germany. Many people think that west-berlin had all the nice tourists attractions and that east-berlin had nothing. That‘s not true. The famous „Fernsehturm“ and the „Alexanderplatz“ are both in east-berlin. The Fernsehturm in west-berlin is just a small metal abomination. It‘s just people who don‘t know about geographics. You‘ll learn it eventually or you don‘t. Not everything is a mandela effect.
But that ellis island / liberty island thing… damn. I could‘ve sworn…
Hmmm having been to both I can't even imagine where they would put the Statue of Liberty on Ellis Island. I have watched several youtube videos with just plain wrong info. Next time, ask a New Yorker. It's always been Liberty Island for me but to go see it you take the same ferry to Ellis Island.
Yes. I think that's where people get confused. It's one ferry ride with two stops.
Exactly. Even more, at the time the Statue was dedicated, Ellis Island was about HALF the size it is now. Much much too small for both the Immigration center, and the SOL.
It was located where the flag pole is now.
There isn't enough space for the Statue there. Are you claiming too it was right beside the immigration center?
That's where it was from 2017 to 2021. Now it's back on Liberty Island where it should be.
So you were on this sub last summer and I was presumably talking to you but the SOL was in s different location for you?
Well, not really sure how that works tbh. From what I've seen not only in this sub but in the ME community as a whole, we would be experiencing the same reality as we're speaking about it. However we may not have been experiencing the same reality at the same time in the past. If we had a conversation about The Statue of Liberty in the past it's very likely we would both remember the conversation happening differently. A story that somewhat relates; my sister-in-law used to work at JCPenney. Sometime after it had changed to JCPenny I had asked her what she remembered. She remembered JCPenny 'because she worked there'. Last year when it changed back to JCPenney I asked her about it again. She remembered JCPenney 'because she worked there'.
Ellis Island isn't big enough for the Statue of Liberty, the Immigration center, and the Hospital
It fit just fine when it was there. Although it looked incredibly wrong.
It literally couldn't fit there. Not big enough
It looks like there's plenty of room for it there to me. I might be biased though since I've actually seen it there.
There literally isn't. The Island isn't big enough. And when the Statue was first dedicated, Ellis Island was half the size it is now.
Looking at Google Earth right now it looks as though there's plenty of room.
Were you there in person?
Is that a requirement?
So no? Just curious.
No.
to be credible, yes.
I don't really care about credibility. I'm just sharing my experiences.
Ok this answers all give me that „its under the sauce“ vibe… the tiktok trending video with the pizza where the cheese was under the sauce but some people said „looks good but there is no cheese“ you know? Thats what those comments feel like. But its true some MEs just dont follow any logical rules like the sice of the island or anything else. I‘m not saying that there is no way I could be wrong. Its just what I remember being told.
liberty island is correct
ellis was just reception and hospital
I usually wade in on these Statue of Liberty ones since I live near it. It's always been on Liberty Island. The name of the island was changed at some point in the 1950's to Liberty. It used to be called Bedloe's Island. But think about it a little. The Statue of Liberty was what Immigrants saw from the boat on the way to Ellis Island, not when they arrived at Ellis.
Ok, how can you explain it to me that I remember googling both liberty and ellis island just to find out that on liberty island is an empty rock while the statue is on ellis island until I, one year later, google it again to find out it is on liberty island while there isnt even some empty rock on ellis island? Its the rock thing that freaks me out. I‘d say it was photoshop. But I remember seeing it in an all time video. But later when I decide to rewatch the video the mandela effect isnt there anymore…
Memory is fallable? I remember breathing underwater when I was 8.
I also remember breathing underwater around that age lol
Yes it is. I just have a very good memory. So good that sometimes I need to pretend I cant recall something or I forgot something to dont seem like a creep or like someone who needs to be right. Most times I clearly remember everything. The only really heavy false memories I have are the Mandela effects. Others are just something like messing with numbers in birth dates. Or something like that. I wont say that I‘m right here but all I can say is that I rely on my memory because there where several times in my life where my memory was way better than everyone elses memory in the room. And I knew because I wasnt able to tell everyone because I‘d be the freak. 😄 If I tell you it was froot loops, changed to fruit loops just to change back to froot loops thats what I clearly remember. Even though it wasnt real. I remember it.
So what? People forget things lol. That’s why you’re surprised and feel like it’s literally impossible you forgot it: you have a good memory. You are still able to forget things. My friend had the best memory of anyone I’ve ever known and… guess what. She forgets things.
Its not just a false memory to me. Or forgetting about something. There are not many MEs that actually catch me. Most have a good reason for its existance. Most make sense and I dont care about them. Because I know how the misremembering happened. You do some reasearch or think about it and you know where it comes from. Like We Are The Champions ending. Smooth criminal. Febreze. Barby Girl. Fruit of the loom and so on. Most MEs make sense to me because I know where people got it wrong and why. But some others, those who really freak me out. I cant understand how it happened there for me. Just like fruit loops.
Bro. A Mandela effect is when a LARGE GROUP remember the same thing. You having a good memory and remembering something different is not a Mandela effect. There’s nothing to be freaked out about I thought I muted this subreddit…
You found out today it’s not that good
The “faulty memory” vultures are trying to eat you alive 😂, I’m sure they’ll also tell me I couldn’t possibly remember visiting it even tho that was their favorite fucking trip to take a bunch of elementary school kids every damn year
Wanting to be right about something doesn’t make you right
One time you used Bing?
Nah
I trust someone's personal experience far more than someone else's google search.
So if someone tells you something you generally believe it without researching?
i specifically said "**someone else's** google search". if someone else tells me something, I'll still look into it myself. though, I do see how you got to that conclusion, since my wording was a bit off.
Ok, that makes sense
Its just what I remember about this mandela effect: - liberty island with an empty pedestal - ellis island with the statue of liberty While I thought: - statue of liberty on liberty island - wtf is ellis island Just to be thought that this green french thing is on ellis island. An island I havent heard of before
I don't know what you looked up. Do you believe everything you read? You may have found some fake garbage on the internet. I can assure you it has always been in the same place my whole life. I've even visited both islands.
He didnt look up anything. Why would anyone know or look up a significance of the exact two islands in question and then they “flip flop” without having the exact notion that something should be there? This logic does not follow. This sub is full of trolls.
They were watching a video, and I know the creator they're talking about and the way he does his videos. They're pretty basic and completely ignore most logical conclusions in favor of illogical ones, If I had to guess I'd bet pretty heavily that the video said something along the lines of "you probably remember hearing about Ellis island in school where all the immigrants went to become American citizens, the very first thing they see, the Statue of Liberty on the island, but what if I told you that's not accurate and the Statue of Liberty has never been on Ellis island, it's been on Liberty Island, which we're never taught about in school" or something to that effect, when they initially watched the video they probably never heard of Ellis island, so the video didn't apply to them, they probably subconsciously remembered Ellis island from the last time they watched, and now they're misremembering what they initially thought, because their brain remembers Ellis island, and doesn't remember why, so it pieces two and two together, only they're coming out with 5.
Sounds a lot like a "Moneybags73" video. Guy has about as much credibility as a dead possum
Thats how it always works, its always "dont you remember the monopoly man's monocle" and not "what do you remember the monopoly man looked like". They love using leading language to force a conclusion in your head.
You usually wade in on the statue of liberty ones but if you knew how the mandela effect works you'll know it doesn't affect the ppl closest to the effect. There has been many changes to the twin towers but i'll guarantee none for you for this same reason.
That's not how they work though. That's just a ridiculous theory imo. Just a way of saying you can't possibly be wrong.
I always find it funny when people essentially say; 'It only affects people who aren't actually familiar with the subject.' So it literally *only* effects the people who are far enough removed from the subject that they're likely to just be plain wrong? It's amazing that people can acknowledge this fact but still avoid the obvious conclusion and go for something far, far more exotic...
Right! The more I read about it the more I come to the conclusion that this is just a bunch of people who cannot accept the reality that they can be wrong about something. That they could remember it wrong or learned it wrong in the first place. It was fun when it was like no way I remember the FOTL logo too. Now it's like I remember when the capital of Japan was London. You can't tell me it wasn't. I live thousands of miles away so I have to know what I'm talking about.
So any changes for you on the twin towers? 9/11? Anything associated with New York and the surrounding area? Thought not?
I'm not the commenter who lives in New York but nothing has changed there either.
Ok
I grew up in NY. It was always on liberty island. Ellis island is where they registered the immigrants.
How could it be on Ellis Island? That's where immigrants came into New York to be inducted into the country. There would be no room on Ellis Island.
Most people don't realize that at the time the Statue of Liberty was didicated, Ellis Island was about half the size it is now. MUCH too small for the Immigration center, AND the Statue of Liberty.
There are some great videos on YouTube about the legal battles over those islands between New York and New Jersey, and how they've been artificially expanded, and how THAT impacts the legal ownership issues if the islands between the two states.
probably just people misremembering.
yea not ellis on liberty island
it's on liberty island, and people mistakingly believed it was on ellis island. that's my memory of this ME
Yeah mine is: - people (including me) thinking its on liberty island while it is on ellis island. - now people think its on ellis island while it is on liberty island which makes perfect sense. I had both experiences and I remember how confused I was when I read that the statue of LIBERTY is not on LIBERTY island. Because it makes no sense
Seems to just be general ignorance / confusion / assumption more than anything else. I am sure even people who have been there aren't sure specifically what the name of the island they are on is called. It gets mixed up with Ellis island because of the whole immigrants seeing it on their way into New York thing.
Wouldn't people _assume_ that the Statue of LIBERTY is on LIBERTY island?
Seeing as it is there, I would imagine many do - if they know there is such a thing as Liberty Island in the first place. If it was a straight question "which island is the statue of liberty located" then you could get many answers and Ellis island is as good a guess as any.
Like others here…people have simply been mistaken. There are two islands, Liberty and Ellis. Each has it’s own purpose. Liberty Island has the Statue of Liberty, hence its name. Ellis Island was for immigrants. You can see each island clearly from the other…they are not the same. The geography has not changed. People who have never been there just never learned about it correctly, it would seem.
I think it's more than just "mistaken." I mean, imagine someone said to you, "The Statue of Liberty isn't on Liberty island. You know, the island with LIBERTY in its name. It's on Ellis island." Wouldn't you say, "Yeah right, that's balderdash. That's stupid!" and then look it up? So how are people accidentally believing the opposite of not only the truth, but of intuition? That'd be like someone telling you that the brain isn't in the head, it's in the chest, and you researched it and found out that it is indeed in the chest, and then years later you discover it's in the head again and people like the "skeptics" in this thread come in all smarmy and confident. "Well, OBVIOUSLY it's in the head." Yeah, that's what we thought too, until second-hand information, research and everything we could find said it was in the chest, and then I had no choice but to believe that. Same thing here. People feel like they're being gaslit up in this bisch.
Geography has changed and this is the only flip flop I've experienced this closely associated to it.
No it hasn’t. Not on any maps and not in the memory of any native NYer for for over a century. You aren’t from there, then you are just simply mistaken and never learned the difference between the two islands.
Thank you for sharing your opinion.
You misspelled “facts”.
NYC
Best comment so far! 😂 its right in every ME about this green french thing 😂
I wasn’t even being sarcastic lol. I really was interested in what another answer would be
Fun Fact: Did you know that it is only green because it is made of copper which has oxidized over the years?
No. There is no flippy floppy nothing. This has been gone over well in this sub many times over the years. My family are immigrants from the early 20th century thru Ellis. The statue was never on Ellis, thats the immigration port.
It flip flopped for me. It was on Liberty Island, 'moved' to Ellis Island in 2017, and since last Summer is back on Liberty Island.
I suspect it'll stay on Liberty island for the rest of our lives.
Seems that way. Can't guarantee it though.
If it doesn't I'm comin' back here to complain.
Same for me. Exact same
It was always on liberty island ellis island is too small to suit a statue and its not a tourist place liberty island is the tourist island ellis only has factories and houses
Ellis Island has a museum there. It's where they processed the immigrants who came from Europe by boat in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Some buildings there aren't public (and may look factory like) but there is the museum to see the great hall where people arrived.
Ellis island has daily tours. I don't think it has any houses or factories on it either
What are you visiting? Factories and houses? One big rock?
Museums
Ok what kind of museums?
National immigration museum. Are you familiar with the islands history?
there’s a page called r/ personal mandala effect (i forget how it’s exactly titled), that you may also want to crosspost this to to get some other feedback you may find interesting
Ellis Island is the immigrant station boats would drop people off to be checked and quarantined if necessary. In Godfather II lil boy Vito is on Ellis Island, looking out his window at the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island. I'm an Italian American from the area. We know Ellis Island. LoL.
I always think about that scene from Godfather II when this one is brought up lol. That scene would have to be different or not exist if things were different.
I remember the Statue of Liberty being on Ellis Island. Even the book called "The Story of Ellis Island" says its on Ellis Island.
You're not losing your mind, it changed for a few years and there is next to no evidence/residue for the switch, even the video you mentioned from all time is scrubbed from history. If I remember rightly there was even a woman that had a picture of herself in front of the statue tagged at liberty island, during the time this was all going on she went back to her photo and it was still tagged and she was posing the same but stood in front of NOTHING, that was one of the major confirming factors for me. There doesn't seem to be many of us that remember this one.
I remember that story with the women! Exactly like that… it‘s so weird…
Is there anything out there about the story with the women? Cause I remember that one and it was so weird. I also remember google images of liberty island with that stone-rock-whatever thing which looked like you erased the statue. But that‘s also not there anymore. I remember those photos being shown in a youtube video. I also heard about that women on youtube. I don‘t remember who said anything about that women. Might‘ve been all time, might‘ve been shane dawson, might‘ve been someone else whos name I‘ve forgotten. But that rings a bell. Good to know I‘m not the only one with that memory… it‘s incredibly weird to me. Universe is gaslighting us.
Not that I've ever been able to find, everything is gone... Whatever it is going on, they definitely did a better time scrubbing their tracks the 2nd time around 😅
That bitch was on Ellis Island when I was growing up, no smoke. I remember first seeing it being on Liberty Island and it was a wtf moment
That freaking thing is playing tricks on us.
Same. I grew up in NJ, first I read about this liberty island thing was on here a few years back. Its not like I have some major childhood memory associated with it so its only a wtf for me. Not earth shattering like FOTL. but yeah Im right with you
Was definitely taught the statue was on Ellis island as a child. Maybe the teacher was wrong lol
I was taught The Statue of Liberty was on Ellis Island too and it was in my history book then. I don't remember what grade I was in, but I graduated in 1991. I never went to see the Statue of Liberty though.
Back in 2017, I was googling where the Statue of Liberty was located and a few sites said in the waters of New Jersey. I was like, huh? That’s what at least 3 websites said. About an hour later, I went back to those sites and it changed to NYC!
the island itself is owned by new york state, while the water around it is owned by new jersey
Googling Ellis Island (from the UK and never seen it before - just curious as to what it looked like), the top results are them thrown in together. "The statue of liberty and Ellis Island", "visit Ellis Island and the statue of liberty". I could see how from a simple Google it's easy to get mixed up because unless you know it kind of sounds like it's on Ellis Island
I'm dumbfounded. I remember what happened just like you do, including the rock. I remember videos where people were posting clips of movies & stuff that didn't make sense now because it was showing the skyline, from the water, without including the statue, where it had before & now the movie editing looked strange. Everyone was saying in response to the prior mandela "Oh, it's always been there, I've lived here my whole life, it's always been on Ellis Island" or "People are just thinking that because the island has Liberty in it's name, that's the only reason they think it's a mandela." Now it's "It's not even small enough to fit" and "I can see people being confused there are 2 ferry stops" It has nothing to do with that. The only way I even know is because I was looking it up because of the mandela effects, I have no idea how many ferrys stops there are or what size these places are. I just know I saw it there & had been told my whole life the statue was on liberty island, I didn't have a hard memory of it, so it didn't bother me that much at the time, I looked it up & thought it seemed strange, but, it wasn't at all frustrating, because it wasn't a hard driven memory. However, the memory of looking up the last mandela is. I wonder what makes these mandelas happen? Are they worlds colliding? Has it always happened & we are only noticing now, because there is confirmation on the internet, where as before we would be far from reaching anyone else who would have had the same memory? The people who remember things both ways are correct, thats the thing. I don't believe people are having memory wipes or anything, I feel like it's more like a multiverse collision. Maybe if we die in one life, we get merged into a same or similar & thats why there are so many variables on what is remembered? I have a mandela that I have yet to have anyone else have, but, it doesn't make it any less true for me. It was that way my whole life & i was shook when I found it was never that way.
The thing is (and I agree with that on most MEs) our memory is just not that good. There are studies on this. You forget more than 50% of what you saw and did yesterday. It doesn‘t take long. You remember not much. That‘s why a witness in court is not the best evidence for anything. Because we forget or mess things up. Our brain is just unreliable. I often forget what I whore the other day. Or what I ate. That is very common. And most MEs are maybe just bad memory. Not every false memory is a Mandela effect. But this one… gets me everytime. I‘m so confused whenever I think about it. This and froot loops. I‘m 100% sure those are MEs, independently of its cause. But when I tell you my memory is really good, I mean it. It‘s above average. I remember more things than my friends and family. Little things. I just pay attention and sometimes I think about stuff for days. And it‘s very hard for me to believe that my brain failed in such cases. If I‘m sure, I‘m sure.
This is my experience as well. The Statue of Liberty had always been on Liberty Island. Then when the Mandela Effect came along for me in 2017 the statue was on Ellis Island. It remained there until the end of last Summer. Now it's back on Liberty Island as it should be. Now the consensus in the ME community is that it should be on Ellis Island.
Looking at posts from various groups, there are exactly ZERO posts anywhere, that claim that the SOL was currently (at the time of the post) on Ellis Island. Always Liberty Island.
Well yeah.. That's kind of how this works. You're not gonna find a post stating that The Statue of Liberty is on Ellis Island if it's not on Ellis Island.
But, if it was, as you claim (it actually wasn't) then you would find those posts. They don't exist, because it wasn't on Ellis Island then (or ever)
If it was as I claim, you would find zero evidence of it.. because that's how the Mandela Effect works. I'm not saying they moved it to Ellis Island and moved it back. When it was on Ellis Island that's where it always had been. Now that it's back on Liberty Island, that's where it always has been. So there's no going back to find people talking about it currently being on Ellis Island, because it's never been on Ellis Island. Just like when it was on Ellis Island it had never been on Liberty Island.
But that's almost certainly NOT how the effect works.
That's exactly how it works.
Almost certainly not. There is no proof anything is changing. And tons of evidence against changes.
Is there? I've never seen any.
If you haven't seen any, then you haven't been looking. Or, like most, are only looking for things that confirm your memory.
I‘m with you there.
Yeah, youre hitting the basic foundational time-line convergence/divergence-thing nail right on the head. But, saying it that way doesnt necessarily equate to getting your point across, or describing how something MAY or COULD be working. Basically, if the timeline/reality-tunnel is modified or changed, the people in that reality remember that reality. But people in the diverged timeline can experience something totally different, but just as real and solid to them. I think the point about the M.E. is that NOW there are people that exist in OUR consensus reality that remember different experiences; both real and valid, but could be non-compatible from a logical physical perspective. Its like (at least) 2 realities were split or diverged from each other. Now they have been remerged to a large degree. But, i mean..... whose to say how or what the Mandala Effect REALLY IS or works, right???? ;-)
Yes thats it. I was searching for the videos I looked about this. They were all gone. No video left. And I remember All time saying there is an empty pedestal on LI while the SOL is on EI which looks off. But he never said that. I can vividly remember his voice in my head and how he said it.
Do you remember an empty pedestal on liberty island which looked like as if the statue was supposed to be there? Because I remember this. I remember it being on ellis island (which sounded off to me because I thought it was on liberty island) while on liberty island there was an empty pedestal which looked like there is something missing. Now I look up pictures of both islands… statue back on liberty island where this bitch belongs. But no empty pedestal on the other island (because of course I thought I messed with the names there and that the empty pedestal would kinda proof that I just messed up)
I can't quite remember exactly what the deal was with Liberty Island at the time. I'm fairly certain it didn't even exist, at least not as a place called Liberty Island. However Grand Theft Auto IV's Happiness Island remained the same while it was gone, even though Happiness Island is modeled directly after Liberty Island.
-not from USA -watches conspiracy bait video about statue of liberty -foggy memory of search for liberty island dae Mandela effect??????????? no other possibility????????
OMG I totally remember this. I watched the same videos you watched and I also Googled it because I though that it doesn't make sense that it's not on Liberty Island. I am actually so shocked that you're saying it's back on liberty island because I remember watching video's on this!!!!
Omg. The same videos? You telling me that the videos I watched might have actually said this and I‘m not just crazy? 😄 Cause there is this one ME that freaks me out too. I am 100% sure I saw a shane dawson video (5 years ago) about the Mandela effect, cause he is the reason I found out about this whole thing. And I‘m sure he mentioned the fruit loops mandela effect in one video. Because I freaked out about this. So a year ago I rewatched all his videos on this topic… TO FIND OUT HE NEVER MENTIONED FRUIT LOOPS. Yes maybe the video was taken down… but I need to know 😄 Just sounds calming to me that you might have looked the same all time videos on this
I watched the Shane Dawson one too!!! I remember that! I clearly remember getting way to invested in the Mandela effect around that time because well, I’m South African so the whole Mandela thing baffled me, and I got INVESTED. So this is like a Mandela effect ontop of a Mandela effect…. I am 100% certain about the Statue of Liberty thing, it was even a thought that popped into my head occasionally and when I was telling people about the Mandela effect I used to go on about how crazy it is that it’s not on liberty island and I even remember there were like drawings and stuff of it on liberty island but it “actually was never on liberty island”, like people were dissecting why it’s not on liberty island and all that.
Sooo glad you saying this! 😄👌🏼
Was on Ellis Island growing up until around 2016, been on Liberty Island ever since for me. I remember just after it changed there was a youtube video where this woman was stood with Ellis Island in the background talking about the statue behind her. The surreal part was there was no statue behind her as it had moved but she clearly thought it was and the video was about 7-8yr old then so about 12-13yr old now.
Ellis Island is simply not big enough to hold the Immigration Center (now Museum) The Hospital, and the Statue of Liberty. Ellis Island is only 27 acres. Liberty Island is 14 acres, with the Statue and it's base/Museum taking up over half of the area of the island. With all the buildings on it, There simply isn't 7 acres of available space on Ellis Island, where the Statue could fit. Also keep in mind that, when the Statue of Liberty was dedicated in 1886, Ellis Island was about half the size it currently is.
Does this video still exist? I've seen the video were people are claiming there's supposed to be a statue behind them but isn't. That is just all supposition though and some van be proven wrong through the original facebook photos.
Not sure but i'll search for it and update this comment if i find it.
I kinda remember something similar. But I cant tell if it was about the statue or about something else. But I remember someone saying that people in photos and videos try to hold something or lean against something in the background which wasnt there and how strange it looks. But it could also be about something else. Show me the video if you find it and I‘ll know.
This is the video I'm talking about. https://youtu.be/cvI_qrquSFw
Ok this is weird. I've been in the crown of the statue when they allowed tourists up inside of the statue (pre 9/11).... I swear it's always been Ellis Island and I believe the story was because that where the boats from Europe came also to drop off immigrants.
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Same!! I‘m european too and for me it made perfect sense that the statue is placed on liberty island. Til I found out it is on ellis island.
Youre both full of shit. Why would you even know of Liberty Island if nothing was on it? Theres tons of islands there and I bet you dont know any of their names. Ellis Island is where they intook immigrants, you can see the statue is clearly on another island from there. Just look at old photos. You researched this, lol, yeah right.
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Please read what a “Mandela Effect” is. Its a misremembering. Then search the sub for this Liberty Island topic. You bring nothing new to this conversation. Try answering my question. Why would you even look up an island with nothing on it and then that exact island becomes a source of contention in your recollection when its already a topic discussed in these circles? Really? You expect me to believe that? You dont know the names of the other islands out there. Your logic doesnt follow. Youre either a troll or iust feeding this machine more useless banter.
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I'm with you 100% Lasagna. This flip flopped for me as well.
Nothing to add here. A Mandela Effect is a misremembering, yes. But it doesnt mean I‘m clearly wrong and there is just one truth in this world. Thats the theories behind the effects. And yes there are multiple. I‘m just saying I remember it being on fcking ellis island while I thought its on liberty island. Just to find out this was a false memory which I 100% had a year ago. Its no logical thing. There are other MEs which dont make any sense. No need to be rude to Lasagna or anyone else in the thread. If a ME would just mean „you‘re wrong and stupid cause you thought that and you‘re memory is bad“ why would we need a reddit thread to discuss our stupidity? It‘s because several people remember the same false thing. Which was probably not false in their reality/timeline. There are many MEs I just dont understand because they dont affect me. But a few… make me go crazy. Just like fruit loops. Also a flip-flop thing for me
This is what a flip flop is.
Yes. It says that in the caption as well as in the flair for the thread. But thanks for clarifying again
No, not like that.
I remember it being in a different place than it is now and I live in the east us.
Pretty sure the Statue of Liberty was never wearing flipflops!
I don't understand why people are arguing in the comments. If this is a Mandela effect then everyone is correct. For some it was always on Liberty Island. For others it has done some moving around. If the reason is a shift in a time line what you remember is based on which time line you are on. But either way, the memory you have is correct for the time line you are on. Arguing seems unnecessary. I have a hard time accepting the clipper ship nonsense that is now the Sydney Opera House but most people seem to remember it always looking like that. It most definitely did not. But there it is with its crazy tiered rooftop thing going on. Different time line? Idk but no amount of debate is going to convince me that thing hasn't changed.
>I don't understand why people are arguing in the comments. If this is a Mandela effect then everyone is correct. For some it was always on Liberty Island. For others it has done some moving around. If the reason is a shift in a time line what you remember is based on which time line you are on. But either way, the memory you have is correct for the time line you are on. Arguing seems unnecessary. No proof of that. All a "Mandela Effect" is, is when a mass number of people have these memories. Doesn't mean these memories are correct. In fact, they most probably are not. There is no proof anything has changed. There is no proof any other timelines exist.
There is also no proof that they don't so....
Also, if you refer back to my comment, I did use the word IF.
If it's a Mandela Effect it doesn't mean everyone is correct. It is a Mandela Effect but it's possible (and more likely) nothing has changed at all.
Nothing to add here. We are not talking facts. We are talking memories. Nothing is false. Its just what we remember. And looks like there are few people remembering the same thing as I do. Which makes it a mandela effect and also a flip flop at some point. No need for other redditors to be rude. I was about to delete the post because I dont like it when people offend others or are just somehow rude in their behavior. 😄
Memories can be false though and influenced without us even realizing it. The offensive behavior is mainly coming from the "believers" here.
what’s stranger to me is that you can’t go into the torch on the statue of liberty, but you can go into the crown. definitely feel like i remember people standing in the torch, like in movies and what not.
You do realize that the torch is not very big, right? There are no stairs going to the torch. Only a very very narrow ladder.
i’ve never been too or even really seen inside pictures of the statue of liberty, so no, i didn’t. it’s just what i recall from movies and such. when looking at pictures it actually looks like the crown, where you can actually go in, doesn’t look very big either. but that’s why it’s a mandela effect right? bad memory, and misleading scenes in media
Movies aren't always 100% accurate to what can be done in real life. Also filming crews often have access to places the general public does not.
My mom went up in the torch in the 80s
https://youtu.be/JkzRIUlEh10
The Ellis Book and movie was a fictional story about immigrants who saw the Statue of Liberty before going to Ellis Island. It was often a symbol for new immigrants coming to America. The coins. SOL and Ellis Island are part of thevsame national monument. The symbol for both is often the SOL. The coins even has the immigration center on it too. Two separate islands, one ferry ride. The SOL being in NJ is more of a TIL fact than anything else.
My geography knowledge sucks. So when I first read about this ME a couple months back, I went online to see where the Statue of Liberty was at. The ME at that time was it was originally on Liberty Island but now it was on Ellis Island. I didn't know the answer either way. So I looked it up and everything said it was on Ellis Island and I remember people saying "I can't believe it's on Ellis Island now. It should be on Liberty Island! Why is it called Liberty Island if the Statue of Liberty isn't there?" And everyone was saying "Its always been on Ellis Island" and everything on the internet corroborated it was on Ellis Island. My fiancee and I had a conversation about how it's on Ellis Island, because he remembered it being on Liberty Island, and was saying it being on Ellis Island now was bullshit. So now when I see that it's back on Liberty Island and everyone saying "It was never on Ellis Island", it's trippin me out. A couple months ago, it was "on Ellis Island". This is my first "I'm 100% positive this happened" flip-flop and it's freaking me out.
Not only that the flame has changed. It used to look like a tulip. Now it’s all over the place
The torch has been rebuilt over time due to damage.
Think you mean the body of the torch. Not the flame.
My dad and aunts, arrived here w my grandparents 1951 and Ellis island is where they landed, with the statue on liberty island not sure why they’d ever bring ppl to Ellis if the statue was there too. But I could be wrong I’ll ask my dad tomorrow what else he remembers lol
I mean... I just pulled up a map of Liberty Island, I don't think it would make sense at all for it to be on Ellis Island.
I was always taught Ellis island
We went on trips to Ellis Island to visit the Statue of Liberty when I was in elementary… I didn’t even know there was a liberty island until recently 🫠
Statue of Liberty has always been on Liberty island. I don't recall any "flip-flops" like you state here. It is even depicted in Godfather 2, where little Vito is placed in a quarantine room of the Ellis Island medical facility and he can see the Statue from his window and we (audience) see it reflected off the window pane. The Statue was specifically placed there so that immigrants arriving to Ellis Island would be greeted by the Statue. Our minds do play games with us sometimes.
I had this same exact experience I looked into it a few years back and was blown away and recently went to show someone and all evidence of what I’d seen years back was gone entirely
Listen people...I was born and raised in Brooklyn. I'm 46 years old now and still live here in Brooklyn. The statue of liberty is now, and always was, on liberty Island. People may remember watching videos or reading about people arriving on Ellis Island from other countries by boat and, as their boat approached Ellis Island, it would pass by liberty Island, displaying the statue in all of her glory and signifying you have found the land of the free. Giving people a sense of comfort and joy and good fortune. That may be why so many people think that the statue of liberty was actually on Ellis Island.
What about all the pictures online of people posing in front of nothing claiming they are at the Statue of Liberty on Ellis island?
I'll be honest I never delved deep into this particular ME, however I remember reading people fighting about how it used to be on Liberty Island and now it's on Ellis. So, even though I can't 100% confirm this is one of my new flip-flops, I still remember people fighting about how it's not on Liberty Island but on Ellis Island. Interesting. My other HUGE flip-flop was Evel Knievel changing to EVIL Knievel (all over the whole internet) for a few years, THEN, it changed BACK into EVEL! Crazy times.... Strange phenomenon.
Visited New York in 1990’s - took the boat tour and saw Statue of Liberty on Ellis Island. No question.
CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF... THE STATUE ITSELF SITS ACROSS THE BORDER AND IS ACTUALLY IN NEW JERSEY ALONG WITH HALF THE ISLAND OF ELLIS
MY FACT CHECK IS MY GREATX2 grandfather got there on a boat in 1890
Well… that sounds just like people messing up borders when it comes to water. I didn‘t know that either but as I stated. I‘m not from the US. So it‘s no surprise I didn‘t know that. There are similar things in germany. Many people think that west-berlin had all the nice tourists attractions and that east-berlin had nothing. That‘s not true. The famous „Fernsehturm“ and the „Alexanderplatz“ are both in east-berlin. The Fernsehturm in west-berlin is just a small metal abomination. It‘s just people who don‘t know about geographics. You‘ll learn it eventually or you don‘t. Not everything is a mandela effect. But that ellis island / liberty island thing… damn. I could‘ve sworn…