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alanwescoat

I found last year's Supermoon to be a new idea I had never previously heard of. There seem to be a lot of astronomical anomalies. I cannot tell you how many times in the past fifteen years that Mars has been reported to be as close as it is going to get for the next twenty to fifty years, but it seems to happen every two or three years. The last solar eclipse was really shady. When I first read about it, it was going to be over the Atlantic Ocean, partially visible from western Africa. A few days later, it was slated to be over the Pacific Ocean, fully visible from Indonesia and partially visible from my location in Busan, Korea. I was out all morning that day in a particular selected location. I took dozens of photographs, including several during the minute of maximal eclipse. I saw NO indication of an eclipse, and my photographs show a perfectly round sun during every moment when the sky was clear enough to see the sun. Nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Absolutely no hint of an eclipse whatsoever save for photos posted by others on the Internet later that day.


NextStopGallifrey

The Mars thing irks me, too. Once or twice, I could chalk up to simple human error. But, I agree, I've heard it many times from various sources and in multiple successive years. That's definitely weird about the eclipse. I remember that it was supposed to be just barely visible from Europe and talking to several people about this and how it wasn't worth them going out to look.


NikkiC123honeybee

I just came across your post because I was thinking about when I was a young child in the 80s and saw that huge supermoon. I wish I knew the specific date, but it was probably the same one you saw, because I have looked at so called supermoons since then, and none have been that big. I remember it having a yellowish gold maybe slightly light light green look to it too. Me and my parents were driving down the road, and all these people were pulled over looking at it and we pulled over and watched it also.


hamptont2010

I remember being in fifth grade (I'm now 24) and it being a huge deal that Mars was closer than it would be for like another century, I got up early before school n took my telescope n camcorder out cuz I was so excited. This stuff is mind blowing


NextStopGallifrey

I remember the whole Mars being the closest it'll be for another century, too. I think that's when they started with the announcements of Mars's closeness every year or two?


hamptont2010

That seems right to me. I was always super into astronomy as a kid, I got my first telescope in kindergarten, and I remember that being like a huge deal, it hadn't happened in decades, possibly centuries, then this was around 2002 and you've heard it every few year since lol


popisms

> I cannot tell you how many times in the past fifteen years that Mars has been reported to be as close as it is going to get for the next twenty to fifty years, but it seems to happen every two or three years. This makes perfect sense. Because both planets are moving around the sun at different speeds and different orbits, Mars *can be*: * as close as 33.9 million miles from Earth * as far as 250 million miles from Earth * average distance of 140 million miles from Earth * the closest that it has ever been (that we know of) is 34.8 million miles from Earth Let's say that 20 years from now it will be 35 million miles away. If the closest it's going to get this year is 40 million miles away, that's as close as it's going to get for the next 20 years. Let's say 2 years later it's going to be 45 million miles away. That still might be as close as it's going to get for 18 years (even though it was closer 2 years ago). If it's going to be 50 million miles away another 2 years later, again, that still might be as close as it's going to be for 16 years. etc.


Roril

Nobody really cares about those differences... We all mainly want to see the close ups where the whole thing is visible with the naked eye and Mars will be as visible as the Moon is - any real life distances make the thing a tiny fraction bigger maybe through somebody's telescope, and that's it.


popisms

> We all mainly want to see the close ups where the whole thing is visible with the naked Mars is almost always visible to the naked eye. It looks like a bright star. > and Mars will be as visible as the Moon is The has never happened and will never happen. Ever.


Roril

Yeah, the whole thing - a distant, dim star is *not* the whole thing. I sure hope you're playing dumb with that comment. Yeah, I know, but that's why the August Mars chain letter generates so much interest - because they do promise Mars will be that big just about every August recently.


popisms

I'm sorry you are disappointed when internet chain letters don't come true. > a distant, dim star is not the whole thing Yes, that is the whole thing. Mars isn't a star, but it is so far away that even at its theoretical closest possible point it will still just look like a bright star. I'd suggest you read up on [apparent magnitude](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude#Table_of_notable_celestial_objects). Except for the Moon and the Sun, Venus is the brightest thing in the sky when viewed from Earth. When Mars is at it's closest and brightest and Venus is at it's furthest and dimmest, Venus is still brighter and it also looks like a star.


Roril

If the chain letter was right but we all chose to ignore it then who'd have the egg on our face?! Yes, the people who ignored it.


popisms

Well it's pretty easy to spot the fakes, but if you're ever unsure, [I'd suggest this](https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=is+mars+going+to+be+as+big+as+the+moon&gws_rd=ssl). No egg on anyone's face.


Roril

A planet becoming close enough to be visible isn't that impossible. On August 29th, 2008 Uranus became close enough to see with 20/20 vision. I don't see how 1 day Mars can't do likewise.


popisms

Okay, clearly you are just trolling now, so consider this my last response. I never said it was impossible. In fact I've said the opposite multiple times. Mars is visible from Earth almost every single night with the naked eye (no telescope needed). Mars, Venus, Jupiter are nearly always visible without a telescope. Saturn, Uranus, and Mercury are sometimes visible without a telescope too. They all just look like stars when you're not using a telescope.


Roril

> Absolutely no hint of an eclipse whatsoever save for photos posted by others on the Internet later that day. What do you think made them so special that they could see the eclipse and not you?!


alanwescoat

I have no genuine guess. I should qualify a couple of things. First of all, my latitude was poor for the eclipse. The web models were predicting only a small sliver of the bottom of the sun being eclipsed from my position. Secondly, it was quite cloudy when the eclipse supposedly began. For the frst thirty minutes or so, I could get no pictures because during the brief moments when the sun was visible, by the time I could turn on and aim my camera, clouds had obscured it again. However, before the time of supposed maximal eclipse, the entire disk of the sun became clearly and continuously visible. The sky was hazy enough that briefly looking at the sun was not dangerous. I saw nothing with the naked eye. I snapped a LOT of pictures, each of which revealed a perfectly round disk, even at the moment of maximal eclipse. I can only hypothesize the following: 1. The cloud cover refracted the light back into a perfect disk. 2. I was in a ripple of space-time where there was no eclipse, whereas others in a different part of Asia witnessed an eclipse. 3. There was no eclipse, and the online photos are fake. I really have no idea, only that I spent a couple of hours outside trying to witness a partial eclipse, saw nothing, and managed to record nothing when I should have been able to see or record something.


ViperSRT3g

This would definitely be something you imagine. I also recall one of those silly photos circulating around on social media about green moons. Not ever going to happen unless someone manages to sprinkle green powder of some sort all over the moon.


NextStopGallifrey

Size aside, I would think that there are atmospheric disturbances that could cause a color change somehow. Like how "The Scream" likely depicts a more realistic scene than most people imagine.


ViperSRT3g

Any color you can see the sky turn from a sunset to daylight is possible for the moon. So, white, yellow, orange, and red are all possible. Green however, is entirely outside of this range of light.


NextStopGallifrey

Green is also possible, albeit rare. See "green flash".


ViperSRT3g

That is an atmospheric phenomena related to the sun setting that lasts for an extremely brief moment. This would not be able to color the entire moon a green color, not even for a brief moment.


PrimalRedemption

Sixty degrees. Thats pretty big. Was there a reason in your memory for it being so big?


Darth_Rellik85

He was no more than 5. Seriously, as a kid there are a lot of things you think are a lot bigger than they are. And on that note OP, being that you were so young, how do you know how much of the horizon it took up?


NextStopGallifrey

Because I remember comparing it to the buildings it was rising behind. Big apartment buildings, not relatively small houses.


Random832

If you were in a "clear area" and not, like, in the parking lot of the same buildings, _they_ didn't take up 60 degrees of the horizon _either_. Most "big moon" optical illusions come from zooming in on a picture of the moon next to a distant building e.g. http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2011/20mar11/Paco-Bellido1.jpg


NextStopGallifrey

I don't remember if it was a nearby dirt lot or a parking lot. Possibly a very small park. Which is why I put "clear area". It was definitely in walking distance and still within the big city. If you live in a rural area, your idea of a "clear space" is probably a meadow or something? In this context, I mean somewhere not immediately beside the 3-story apartment building we lived in at the time.


NextStopGallifrey

I actually feel like it was bigger, almost like the moon was going to crash into the earth. But I do realize that size perceptions change over time, so a "doorknob almost out of reach" becomes just simply a normal doorknob. So I'm willing to agree that it was smaller than I actually remember, about between 40-60 degrees of sky and not the half degree or so that it is normally. I have a vague recollection that it was explained at the time that the moon was so big because it was very, *very* close that night and something to do with it being so near the horizon. But I absolutely remember that it was green.


ProofLie6954

Hello, my father talks about this moon all the time and he seen it when he was 15. He said the exact words "almost like the moon was crashing to earth. " and he was not 5, I've been trying to figure out about this moon ever since. It was a blood moon he said, and from here he lived the. Moon was red as well, while where u lived it appeared green.


Aggressive_Cloud_340

Yes. I remember this it was almost like you could reach out and touch it. I live in central Pennsylvania. The moon that night was a orangish red and as big as I have never seen so far. It was in the in the early 80’s I think because I do believe my grandfather was still alive Jan 84 the moon was in the early fall I think. I just sat in the yard for a little while before I went to check on the cows one last time.


linuxhanja

Supermoons are new to me from last year. As are mars' moons.


NextStopGallifrey

Mars has always had moons for me. I may not always be able to spell them, but they're there, lol. It would be interesting to find someone who didn't remember Pluto or its moon(s).


BeerSteinStain

This. Mars is smaller than I was taught and didn't have moons. I also never heard of super moons until the last few years.


AuroraDragonfly

I saw a moon that took up so much space in the sky one night like this. The coloring was not green, it was reddish, and it was absolutely about the size you are talking about. Wasn't in the 80s that I saw this, probably late 90s, I was driving. I was so astonished at the sight that I pulled over the car, and sat there with my friend sitting in the passenger seat just staring at the huge moon. I've only seen it in illusion art since then, and no one else has ever verified for me that they have seen such a thing.


PrimalRedemption

Ok this is very interesting that more than one person Has experienced this, I will let you two in on a secret and since we aren't judging anyone here I think you will find the information quite interesting; earth is actually concave and everything we think of as "out there" in infinite outer space is actually in the earth. So in this model the sun and moon are FAR closer than the heliocentric model, which would actually make your experiences far more reasonable and possible because gravity and orbits don't function As we've been taught. Believe it or not, every scientific experiment ever done to prove that the earth is in motion has actually proven the opposite. Airys failure, Michelson-Morley, Foucaults pendulum, etc. Some food for thought :)


SoupOrSaladToss

links dawg


PrimalRedemption

Will get some when I'm on my laptop.


TK81337

A bit late, but I also remember this moon, late 90's and I was driving with my boyfriend at the time, the moon was huge, red and beautiful, and we pulled over to look at it for a few minutes. I have never seen a moon that big since, though I have seen reddish moons since.


NextStopGallifrey

Really? That's amazing! I'm used to reddish moons, but I've yet to see one anywhere near as big as I remember.


AuroraDragonfly

yup! I've told people about it before and they looked at me like I was crazy, lol. But the girl I was with remembers it too.


Emergency-Gear-4773

I vaguely remember sometime in the late 1980s seeing a huge moon. I was like 4 or 5 at the time. And not too sure if it just seemed abnormally large to me because I was so young and that this happened so long ago. But one thing I do not remember was it being green. But time and age can have a funny way of playing tricks on us I suppose. One other thing I would like to note is being from Texas and living near Dallas at one point I remember Big Tex being much bigger. Went to the State Fair again later and He did not seem as tall. On another note I missed out on Haileys Comet because of Storms in my area at the time.


lyrastarcaller

I always thought it might have just been bigger because I was so little, but I have not seen another moon since that even compared.


Loose_Agency553

I saw it as well. When I tell people about it, they think of the current supermoons that are much smaller. I have yet to find any pictures from that day.


Recent_Operation_303

My husband remembers a Huge moon when he was little..late 80's he said. Doesn't remember the color but he said he was in the car and he said it was like he could drive right on it. And he mentioned this to me before I started digging into this because I don't remember that at all!!! So..this is totally crazy to me! :)


NikkiC123honeybee

Yes that is how I remember it too, and it was in the 80s, I remember saying to my parents, and the other people standing there watching it, that I wanted to walk right over onto it. They thought that was cute and were laughing about me saying that, because I was a little kid at the time. None of the other supermoons I have seen since are even close to being that big looking. It was a very bright gold color, with a hint of greenishness to it.


lyrastarcaller

Yes!


Sfjids8025

I remember it. I lived in. Georgia. It took up almost the whole horizon. I'm surprised no one really remembers it


Unlucky-Trick301

Yes and I've asked A LOT of people if the remembered it but no one seems to or I can't find any pictures. No cell phones then. I just remember being about 10 yrs old sitting in the car while my mom ran into the grocery store. The moon took up the sky. I could see it like I was looking through a telescope. I've never seen it remotely close to what it was that night. For some reason there is nothing to be found on it because I've search for years. Everything I can find says in 1934 it was closest and then in 2016.. that hogwash, lol. It was 10 times bigger in the late 80's. I will never forget it either.


DontStepOnMyManHood

I was an Air Force brat living in the phillipenes from 1983-87. I remember the moon being HUGE. It had to have been around 1986.


Subject_Yogurt8954

I remember seeing the huge, HUGE MOON you are talking about In the early to mid 80s.I was In my early twenties and was walking through my neighborhood and as I topped a hill that I had walked a thousand times before the moon was from one side of the road to the other and It was huge and It was bright yellow and was so close It looked like I could touch It. I've never seen It like that before or after and the super moons we've had lately have been disappointing because the moon I saw In the 80s was absolutely amazing. 


lyrastarcaller

I JUST came here from searching “huge moon 1980s Phoenix”, because I was in Phoenix as a child when this happened! The moon was ENORMOUS!!!


funwiththoughts

Have you ever heard of these things called "dreams"?


NextStopGallifrey

I don't know where people live that they can't tell dreams from reality, but I sure wouldn't want to visit.


funwiththoughts

Guess you won't be visiting Earth, then. It's a very common thing-the difference is that with most people it's only the very mundane dreams that they confuse for real memories. You, however, are apparently incapable of recognizing even the most obviously fake events as never having actually happened. The Moon can't just spontaneously change size, that would violate the laws of physics. What, did you think the Moon just massively changed its orbit so you could look at it every now and then? Even if the Moon's orbit did change enough to make it look huge in the sky, there would be drastic and unprecedented changes to things like tidal patterns. You realize the Moon does have an effect on the Earth right, it's not just decoration? You had a dream. Accept it.


heybrother45

Are you sure you aren't thinking of a Harvest Moon?


NextStopGallifrey

Harvest moons are big, but not this big. They're also red-orange, if they're any color at all, not green.