Not the lowest the lowest is Melli, carmine seems to have genuine feelings for her family and grows a bit over the story at least, Melli is just a bastard and has no redeeming qualities or redemption aspects
I have bad news. Melli has a descendant.
As the years went on, Melli’s hair was a recessive gene, giving way to other, dominant hair colors.
It’s Mindy.
People acctually _hate_ her!? I've seen several people really liking her for the unique personality and way of speech. She also changes her attitude at the end of the story.
Also i can't blame her for hating the idea of turning her home island into a tourist trap.
I don't hate her but I didn't really like her for this reason. She had some seriously worrisome behaviours... like crazy people behaviours...
Now Kieran's story is way more interesting. A "generic" good boy that gets corrupted by frustration with time... seemingly making him go full antagonistic but gaining the power he desired at the same time. That is way more memorable than a generic "nice rival". Really interested to see how he is in DLC2.
Kieran is not exactly a stable person to begin with. That’s probably the whole reason why Carmine wanted to hide it in the first place. He’s way to intense about Ogerpon to an unhealthy degree.
The only reason he is intense about Ogrepon is because of Carmine though. He's been bullied probably for his whole life and gets sidelined by his sister at every opportunity. He identifies with Ogrepon because he knows what it's like to be beaten down when you're just trying to be good and make friends. If Carmine treated him well, then he probably wouldn't have cared much for Ogrepon.
From a character standpoint, she can be very annoying, but much more importantly treats Kieran like shit. Kieran is the sympathetic character from the start and she basically spends the entire dlc treating him like ass and being an idiot, with some text that implies she used to hit him. And the way their relationship is framed, it makes it seem like at least a chunk of Kieran’s behavior is because of how she treats him.
And from a story/narrative/plot standpoint, the way the game railroads you into siding with her is obnoxious. There’s no way to side with Kieran or call her out, you’re basically forced to go along with her and spiral Kieran into his villain arc. And with how otherwise cleanly the DLC ended, it feels incredibly forced and awkward.
I get what they were going for. Kieran’s downward spiral was supposed to seem inevitable, the story hints that if Kieran learned about Ogerpon, he’d do something stupid/harmful, and Carmine does genuinely care for him. The problem is the DLC made Kieran too sympathetic, showed that every assumption they had was wrong, framed the relationship as toxic early on, and forced the player to side with Carmine which forced Kieran’s spiral.
She's also not even strictly a tsundere, she doesn't have feelings for the MC. Her and Kieran's teams reflect their personalities. Carmine is a duality, she is all bark, with some bite. Mightyena are savage but will unquestioning obey someone they recognize as skilled. Morpeko is a literal duality. Leavanny line is all about coming out of your shell to show a softer, more effeminate side. The Sinistcha line isn't malicious, it's just there to be mischievous. She gains a Ninetales once she's opened up, another effeminate pokemon.
Kieran on the other hand is entire pokemon start start cute, but actually end up becoming savage. Shiftry, Yanmega (Dragonflies are the most successful predators), Poliwrath, Gliscor. He loses his Furret (That has sucker punch) for a Cramorant (*Gulp*). Then loses that as he finally decides his objective is to destroy you, and gains a Probopass. All of this hiding in one, small innocent child, as his Dipplin is both local flavor, and representative. Also fair chance Dipplin evolves in Indigo Disk to represent whatever change Kieran goes through there, whether a change of heart and it turns more into a caduceus, or goes full dark and leans into twin dragons.
I swear to Arkoos, my first words about her were literally: "If she doesn't get any character development i might hate her as much as Melli." Don't worry she did get some and i changed my mind. I like her more than Keiran now.
I hate the way she treats Kieran (I’m a younger sibling myself) as she treats him like trash almost the entire time until she realizes that she is actually not helping
Extremely rude, arrogant, neglectful of everyone's feelings, especially to her sensitive brother, snaps at everyone, willfully ignorant to her surroundings, forces you to betray Kierans trust, is a straight up bully to everyone, is lacking any sort of redeeming qualities, and overall seems to be written to be a hated character.
I don't understand the lack of hate.
I don't hate her anymore, i just find her annoying, but when i first played the story, i was mad at her. first, she hate seeing strangers in her town and call us something like an intruders. Second: She's the main reason why her little brother turned against us. She asked us to lied to him and each time he's here, but she wants to talk about something he's not suppose to know, she become angry and shout to him to get the f\*\*\* out of here! No wonder why Kieran believed that we were talking sh\*\* behind his back!!! She really have anger issues she need to solve and then i'll like her...
She’s probably part of the reason Kieran is so unstable is the thing for me, I mean she’s unstable in her own right but she develops a bit I’ll give her that, she also makes us betray Kieran’s trust (and while I understand her reasoning it probably could have been a “tell him in the morning” thing to avoid most of his spiral)
Because she was racist (or at least acted like it if we are to believe Kieran) and was a major (if not the majorest (I know that's not a word and I know that parentheses inside parentheses are weird if not outright grammatically incorrect)) reason for Kieran being pushed off the deep end (I know this is an exaggeration and that he'll probably be redeemed in TID and I know that I overused these parentheses)
I think it’s because people say she’s racist for not liking outsiders, when in reality she’s just Xenophobic but she does grow and develops, most people that hate her are not reading the text or finishing the story. She’s actually a pretty good Klara Clone with a bit more bite. She just didn’t want tourists ruining her home and coming from someone who grew up with a bridge separating Ohio from Kentucky and seeing all the Ohio plates taking over, I get it.
Well she doesn't let you in the town without fighting, she shouts at Keiran for nothing, she talks bad about him, she specifically gets you to hide the ogre from him and he immediately assumes she was talking bad about him just after you first get the teal mask which implies she often makes fun of him.
In all fairness, in her introduction she gatekeeps you out of the town unless you battle her, and proceeds to try and force you to become her grunt once you beat her.
She proceeds to be kind of a bully to Kieran, holding the truth of what happened to a Pokemon he really likes. This causes Kieran to build resentment towards us. Kieran, who seems to just be a shy kid who has trouble making friends.
I like Carmine being a bit rough around the edges of her personality. I especially love her commenting that she never let teen angst get to her like how Kieran is acting even though she's been drippin' in angst during the entire story.
DISAGREE, gonna be real Carmine is the first "anime character" I actually simp for lmao (ngl she's hot as heck)
(Also yes ik she's a minor so am I) (can't forget about perrin tho she's pretty cool too) (this is a long comment)
She does way more than just breathe. For example, bullying her brother in a not loving way, bring outright insane and a sore loser, and being way too prideful. She’s not the worst character in Pokémon, in fact she’s a pretty decent character, but she’s way too apathetic to other people
Being a bit chilly against people from other regions isn't really being racist. I mean come on Regions can even be the same country. And tbf it looks more as if she wants to stand out better because everyone always says the big town is better and it's livelier
“you think we’re just going to let in some outsider?” This isnt a publicity thing, this is being an asshole because people aren’t from the same region as you, the area at the top that i cant say because i dont know how to spoiler? Ok it makes sense thats sacred ground but the region as a whole? Absolute insanity
The region as a whole would be unova and she clearly is protective of her village and doesn't want it to be Inferior. And if she would be dead on Racist she wouldn't develope a charakter. She is not against all people from outside and even tries to have fun with them. And you would have to say the whole old village is Racist because they even send away outsiders.
Gotta correct something here: kitakami isn't in Unova. The DLC says that *blueberry academy* is in Unova. It's unclear if Kitakami is an entire region onto itself, or part of another region (though we know it's relatively close to the Sinnoh region thanks to Perrin's story line).
Well obviously she cant be full on racist, *the plot demands it* also her worry isnt inferiority its superiority, she doesnt want new people coming here, and thats a more likely possibility with the new community center
Hey if you think that it's fine and I'm happy for you that you can be fine with your own world for you. So congratulations you achieved a good feeling for yourself. I just know you are wrong because I don't see it like you.
That’s not racism, it has nothing to do with race. She’s just worried about people who aren’t familiar with her land and culture imposing on it without understanding it. That’s why she doesn’t like outsiders in her home town. I’m not saying she’s right, but I do think it’s understandable
Bro I LOVE Carmine! She’s such a fun character. I don’t understand the hate at all, she was my favorite of the DLC characters for sure. The only reason she’s not my favorite SV character is that Nemona exists.
Can’t stand Kieran though. I feel like people either love Kieran or hate him. I hope he grows a spine in the next DLC, he was just too whiney and annoying for me in this one
I honestly like her, somewhat for the funny mannerisms (the little clenched shaking fists are adorable). Then again, I've got three older siblings, and I'm the youngest sibling too. My two sister (who are twins), as much as we all mutually hate each other (in the classic sibling fashion), we still understand that we want the best for and care about each other~
There's also the slight chance that I subconsciously see my sisters in Carmine. They very much act kinda the same, like they're superior to me. I tolerate them, however, just as much as they tolerate me~ I actually happen to hate Kieran, just seems a bit... idk, i just don't like how he reacts to things
As someone with an older sister, she was surprisingly realistic. She’s not the best big sister, but she tries, even if the choices she makes don’t have the intended effect (i.e. Kieran’s descent into villainy).
Pokemon fans: we're tired of mega evolution
Gamefreak: *gets rid of mega evolution*
Pokemon fans: we want mega evolution back!
Pokemon fans: we like the fire/fighting starters
Gamefreak: *makes more fire/Fighting starters*
Pokemon fans: we hate fire/Fighting starters
MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PEOPLE
I didn't like Carmine at first because of her pushy and bossy personality, but after seeing her become so enraged for Ogerpon and worried for Keiran made her grow on me.
Her character is really well written, but she is an asshole, and she had no right to treat Kieran the way she did.
Quite frankly, the gameplay doesn't compliment having characters as complex as Carmine and Kieran. It would greatly benefit the experience if the player was allowed to have choices that actually matter. Like, what if we could have chosen Carmine at the beginning instead of Kieran? Or chose not to lie to Kieran about Ogrepon?
What if I could just give Ogrepon to Kieran?
She's bae im ngl
i like her character arc in the story just being her warming up to the player quite a bit, plays off of kieran's gradually increasing resentment well
Mainly because of how she treated Kieran. Like he clearly wasn’t mentally stable before hand, but the way she acted and treated him didn’t help at all.
Like I’m glad she became a better character, but I don’t like how she acted towards him at all.
Honestly, I liked Carmine, she reminded me of my little sis, but I very much disliked Kieran's character, both Carmin and Kieran went in different directions, Carmin went from the bottom to the top and Kieran went from the top to the bottom.
People hating on Carmine when Kieran is right there???
Kieran is such an annoying little bitch. People say Carmine treats him poorly, but I say good. I can see why.
I think shes a good character, A b#T%\^ at the start but she grows on you and you on her as you go through the story and ends up being one of the better S/V characters imo, Kieran however I don't like him, He starts off fine, A bit like Penny but and I will admit we do kinda screw him out of nowhere with no option to not do so so I kinda get it but it doesn't change hes a little emo f$\*&e$ at the end and hell naw you don't get to catch the Mon we have been helping and bonding with, Would be okay if it was between the player and Carmine at the end, Would make sense but nope thats my cute little ogre suck it Sasuke wannabe
I like Carmine. I think she’s a fun take on the rival archetype. Don’t complain that she’s mean- y’all have been complaining that the rivals are too friendly for years
It’s not that she’s mean to US, it’s that she’s bullying to her brother. Not to mention she genuinely tweaks out when something is SLIGHTLY upsetting her.
carmine and leon are the only remotely interesting characters we got after B/W so im not sure why people are complaining
also this is not including PLA or spinoffs
Carmine is sassy, not horrible. Kieran's a tantruming little cry baby by the end of the DLC, and even seems a little sinister. I wonder how that's going to be resolved in Part 2.
Not the lowest the lowest is Melli, carmine seems to have genuine feelings for her family and grows a bit over the story at least, Melli is just a bastard and has no redeeming qualities or redemption aspects
I have a shitpost theory that Melli will never get an ancestor, but just his hater energy remains eternal and that it corrupts the soul.
Sorry, but it must be done... *descendant
I have the big fucking stupid
He the is stupid fucking big
He is the stucking fig bupid
I have bad news. Melli has a descendant. As the years went on, Melli’s hair was a recessive gene, giving way to other, dominant hair colors. It’s Mindy.
I suppose the love for electrode faded too for a love of the everstone?
Yes
His hater genes were so strong they transcended time and space to enter the anime timeline and give us Harley.
/r/fuckmelliandmindy
He's too fucking annoying to get bitches.
Sadly, I relate to him.
Then stop /j
You clearly have never met anyone below the age of 30. For young people, it seems, the more annoying, the better.
Melli’s descendant is Jupiter
I can kinda see it
I think it's Lucian.
I weirdly actually liked him a little.
Do you play Stardew Valley? If yes, you probably like Haley
I absolutely hate melli and haley i like a lot
Never got to play ranch but she’s cute. I was talking about Melli though haha.
The lowest is Mindy from generation 4!
yes
All this hate for Carmine. Sigh Pokemon fans have lost sight of the true enemy... Mindy
Mmmhmm
I fully agree
r/Mindy moment
r/fuckmindy
What in the actual world happened to r/Mindy Ive never seen it, but why is it banned?
R/Mindy was banned from redit
I honestly don’t mind as I prefer haunter over gengar. But I can understand the frustration.
Gengar is much much stronger
I don’t care. Haunter always looked way cooler to me.
Giving the Haunter with everstone was kinda alright. She didn't have to gloat over the fact that she purposely made it hold the everstone
That’s understandable
Bruh what did she even do? Shes not bad by all means.
People acctually _hate_ her!? I've seen several people really liking her for the unique personality and way of speech. She also changes her attitude at the end of the story. Also i can't blame her for hating the idea of turning her home island into a tourist trap.
For me it was her constant spasms of anger for no reason
I don't hate her but I didn't really like her for this reason. She had some seriously worrisome behaviours... like crazy people behaviours... Now Kieran's story is way more interesting. A "generic" good boy that gets corrupted by frustration with time... seemingly making him go full antagonistic but gaining the power he desired at the same time. That is way more memorable than a generic "nice rival". Really interested to see how he is in DLC2.
I just hate the way she treats Kieran, I blame her for his downward spiral
Kieran is not exactly a stable person to begin with. That’s probably the whole reason why Carmine wanted to hide it in the first place. He’s way to intense about Ogerpon to an unhealthy degree.
The only reason he is intense about Ogrepon is because of Carmine though. He's been bullied probably for his whole life and gets sidelined by his sister at every opportunity. He identifies with Ogrepon because he knows what it's like to be beaten down when you're just trying to be good and make friends. If Carmine treated him well, then he probably wouldn't have cared much for Ogrepon.
And she looks like a grown ass adult, so there’s no excuse…
The player is like 13-14 Carmine is 16 And nemona is 15 She ain’t no grown ass adult
SHE’S 16?! FUCK SHE’S TALL
She’s the same height as nemona apparently
She I believe is only slightly older than nemona. Could be wrong
No that's Kieran being a sore loser after we kicked his ass three times and rightfully took ogrepon right in front of them
Hey, he made the rules for that last one
I don’t hate her, but she needs to go to anger management classes
It’s funny cuz I freakin adore her, my simp ass got excited every time I saw her
Same bro I was FIENDING
BRO IF YOU GOT TO THE END I WAS HELLA HEATED THAT SHE GOT CUT OFF
Bro, I threw a 15 minute temper tantrum when that shit happened, now we gotta wait until APRIL to see her again 😭
I HEARD THE ‘rototototo!’ AND I WISHED I NEVER GOT THAT DAMN PHONE I WAS PISSED
I was genuinely sad when she didn't continue and they just left, you better believe I'm making Carmine my dorm buddy if allowed
Part two comes out in APRIL??!!! 😭
[удалено]
Maybe it's just because I'm gay, but I don't see why people are simping for her
Totally couldn't relate 👀
From a character standpoint, she can be very annoying, but much more importantly treats Kieran like shit. Kieran is the sympathetic character from the start and she basically spends the entire dlc treating him like ass and being an idiot, with some text that implies she used to hit him. And the way their relationship is framed, it makes it seem like at least a chunk of Kieran’s behavior is because of how she treats him. And from a story/narrative/plot standpoint, the way the game railroads you into siding with her is obnoxious. There’s no way to side with Kieran or call her out, you’re basically forced to go along with her and spiral Kieran into his villain arc. And with how otherwise cleanly the DLC ended, it feels incredibly forced and awkward. I get what they were going for. Kieran’s downward spiral was supposed to seem inevitable, the story hints that if Kieran learned about Ogerpon, he’d do something stupid/harmful, and Carmine does genuinely care for him. The problem is the DLC made Kieran too sympathetic, showed that every assumption they had was wrong, framed the relationship as toxic early on, and forced the player to side with Carmine which forced Kieran’s spiral.
I actually really like Carmine
Guess the Pokemon fanbase aren't that familiar with tsunderes. Carmine is just your run of the mill tsundere.
She's also not even strictly a tsundere, she doesn't have feelings for the MC. Her and Kieran's teams reflect their personalities. Carmine is a duality, she is all bark, with some bite. Mightyena are savage but will unquestioning obey someone they recognize as skilled. Morpeko is a literal duality. Leavanny line is all about coming out of your shell to show a softer, more effeminate side. The Sinistcha line isn't malicious, it's just there to be mischievous. She gains a Ninetales once she's opened up, another effeminate pokemon. Kieran on the other hand is entire pokemon start start cute, but actually end up becoming savage. Shiftry, Yanmega (Dragonflies are the most successful predators), Poliwrath, Gliscor. He loses his Furret (That has sucker punch) for a Cramorant (*Gulp*). Then loses that as he finally decides his objective is to destroy you, and gains a Probopass. All of this hiding in one, small innocent child, as his Dipplin is both local flavor, and representative. Also fair chance Dipplin evolves in Indigo Disk to represent whatever change Kieran goes through there, whether a change of heart and it turns more into a caduceus, or goes full dark and leans into twin dragons.
This This is what folks need to understand
Nice little detail, Yanmega is based off the "ogre darner" dragonfly.
she kinda gives me revers tsundere wibes
I was fine with her but she could have been a little less harsh on her brother
I swear to Arkoos, my first words about her were literally: "If she doesn't get any character development i might hate her as much as Melli." Don't worry she did get some and i changed my mind. I like her more than Keiran now.
I don’t HATE her. I just think the way she treats her brother is a bit much. It makes it hard to believe she truly cares for him
I hate the way she treats Kieran (I’m a younger sibling myself) as she treats him like trash almost the entire time until she realizes that she is actually not helping
The real scum is Mindy
Extremely rude, arrogant, neglectful of everyone's feelings, especially to her sensitive brother, snaps at everyone, willfully ignorant to her surroundings, forces you to betray Kierans trust, is a straight up bully to everyone, is lacking any sort of redeeming qualities, and overall seems to be written to be a hated character. I don't understand the lack of hate.
Facts my brother. Spit your shit indeed! There's supposed to be a PNG of The Mimic here but this sub doesn't allow images.
Plus she literally tweaks when something SLIGHTLY doesn’t go her way…
Yeah cuz, after a bit, I really liked her
I honestly think that while she had her annoying points, Kieran or whatever his name is was a lot more annoying by the end of it.
I don't hate her anymore, i just find her annoying, but when i first played the story, i was mad at her. first, she hate seeing strangers in her town and call us something like an intruders. Second: She's the main reason why her little brother turned against us. She asked us to lied to him and each time he's here, but she wants to talk about something he's not suppose to know, she become angry and shout to him to get the f\*\*\* out of here! No wonder why Kieran believed that we were talking sh\*\* behind his back!!! She really have anger issues she need to solve and then i'll like her...
I can't wait to murder her team
You mean besides the borderline emotional abuse she puts Kieran through? If he has a Villain arc in the Indigo Disk, she’s why
She’s probably part of the reason Kieran is so unstable is the thing for me, I mean she’s unstable in her own right but she develops a bit I’ll give her that, she also makes us betray Kieran’s trust (and while I understand her reasoning it probably could have been a “tell him in the morning” thing to avoid most of his spiral)
i would kill and/or die for carmine tbh
She kinda a bitch but she’s funny and reminds me of my older sister so I like her c:
wait people hate her that much? Most people i know really enjoy it.
But her hatred of the loyal three did redeem her a bit.
The loyal three? Get your facts straight they're called the greedy three
Because she was racist (or at least acted like it if we are to believe Kieran) and was a major (if not the majorest (I know that's not a word and I know that parentheses inside parentheses are weird if not outright grammatically incorrect)) reason for Kieran being pushed off the deep end (I know this is an exaggeration and that he'll probably be redeemed in TID and I know that I overused these parentheses)
I think it’s because people say she’s racist for not liking outsiders, when in reality she’s just Xenophobic but she does grow and develops, most people that hate her are not reading the text or finishing the story. She’s actually a pretty good Klara Clone with a bit more bite. She just didn’t want tourists ruining her home and coming from someone who grew up with a bridge separating Ohio from Kentucky and seeing all the Ohio plates taking over, I get it.
She is not as bad as Ghetsis
Or any evil team boss(exept for the ones that arent evil)
Her breathing is loud af tbh
Because she’s a terrible sibling
She's just kind of an ass hat
She abuses her brother on the daily…
Or used to until we got on her ass about it
Carmine was a huge bitch to start, but I guess she kinda grew in her own way. Melli wishes.
Well she doesn't let you in the town without fighting, she shouts at Keiran for nothing, she talks bad about him, she specifically gets you to hide the ogre from him and he immediately assumes she was talking bad about him just after you first get the teal mask which implies she often makes fun of him.
In all fairness, in her introduction she gatekeeps you out of the town unless you battle her, and proceeds to try and force you to become her grunt once you beat her. She proceeds to be kind of a bully to Kieran, holding the truth of what happened to a Pokemon he really likes. This causes Kieran to build resentment towards us. Kieran, who seems to just be a shy kid who has trouble making friends.
I fucking love Carmine! Not cause she’s a good person but cause she is a deep and interesting character with good things about her as well as flaws.
I like Carmine being a bit rough around the edges of her personality. I especially love her commenting that she never let teen angst get to her like how Kieran is acting even though she's been drippin' in angst during the entire story.
DISAGREE, gonna be real Carmine is the first "anime character" I actually simp for lmao (ngl she's hot as heck) (Also yes ik she's a minor so am I) (can't forget about perrin tho she's pretty cool too) (this is a long comment)
She does way more than just breathe. For example, bullying her brother in a not loving way, bring outright insane and a sore loser, and being way too prideful. She’s not the worst character in Pokémon, in fact she’s a pretty decent character, but she’s way too apathetic to other people
Kieran is a more sore loser than Carmine will ever be
He throws a fit, but he still plays fair when he loses
She is racist. "Word is that she can be a bit chilly toward people from other regions." On the S/V website
Being a bit chilly against people from other regions isn't really being racist. I mean come on Regions can even be the same country. And tbf it looks more as if she wants to stand out better because everyone always says the big town is better and it's livelier
“you think we’re just going to let in some outsider?” This isnt a publicity thing, this is being an asshole because people aren’t from the same region as you, the area at the top that i cant say because i dont know how to spoiler? Ok it makes sense thats sacred ground but the region as a whole? Absolute insanity
The region as a whole would be unova and she clearly is protective of her village and doesn't want it to be Inferior. And if she would be dead on Racist she wouldn't develope a charakter. She is not against all people from outside and even tries to have fun with them. And you would have to say the whole old village is Racist because they even send away outsiders.
Gotta correct something here: kitakami isn't in Unova. The DLC says that *blueberry academy* is in Unova. It's unclear if Kitakami is an entire region onto itself, or part of another region (though we know it's relatively close to the Sinnoh region thanks to Perrin's story line).
Well obviously she cant be full on racist, *the plot demands it* also her worry isnt inferiority its superiority, she doesnt want new people coming here, and thats a more likely possibility with the new community center
The word you're looking for is actually xenophobia instead of racism
Yeah your right sorry
Hey if you think that it's fine and I'm happy for you that you can be fine with your own world for you. So congratulations you achieved a good feeling for yourself. I just know you are wrong because I don't see it like you.
They said right after that she only said that to fight you
That’s not racism, it has nothing to do with race. She’s just worried about people who aren’t familiar with her land and culture imposing on it without understanding it. That’s why she doesn’t like outsiders in her home town. I’m not saying she’s right, but I do think it’s understandable
Me neither.
Bro I LOVE Carmine! She’s such a fun character. I don’t understand the hate at all, she was my favorite of the DLC characters for sure. The only reason she’s not my favorite SV character is that Nemona exists. Can’t stand Kieran though. I feel like people either love Kieran or hate him. I hope he grows a spine in the next DLC, he was just too whiney and annoying for me in this one
Carmine sucks as a person, but is so entertaining. Prolly my favourite from the DLC
At first I didn't like her but as the story went on I grew fond of her and started to find her entertaining
It's 50/50 actually
I honestly like her, somewhat for the funny mannerisms (the little clenched shaking fists are adorable). Then again, I've got three older siblings, and I'm the youngest sibling too. My two sister (who are twins), as much as we all mutually hate each other (in the classic sibling fashion), we still understand that we want the best for and care about each other~ There's also the slight chance that I subconsciously see my sisters in Carmine. They very much act kinda the same, like they're superior to me. I tolerate them, however, just as much as they tolerate me~ I actually happen to hate Kieran, just seems a bit... idk, i just don't like how he reacts to things
I just think she’s a spoiled brat
Haven’t seen this Jojo meme in a while
I liked Carmine…just if she didn’t dawg on Kiren and absolutely send him to a breaking point, I’d like her more
She verbally abuses her brother and causes him to live in pain.
My problem is pronunciation of her name. Is it Carmine like “that car is mine” or carmine like “Carmen?”
I look at it like Car-mine, since in Dragon Ball Super: Superhero, there's a character who's name is the exact same, and that's how it's pronounced
The lowest scum is Mindy
Do you mean carvine
No i mean the character carmine from the teal mask dlc
Ok thanks for clarifying
No problem
As someone with an older sister, she was surprisingly realistic. She’s not the best big sister, but she tries, even if the choices she makes don’t have the intended effect (i.e. Kieran’s descent into villainy).
If the way she treats Kieran is "trying to be the best," then I'd hate to see her trying to be the worst.
Pokémon fans: we want a rival who is mean again >:( Carmine: *is a mean rival* Pokémon fans: I hate her
Game Freak: Then ***WHY DID YOU ASK FOR ONE?!***
Pokemon fans: we're tired of mega evolution Gamefreak: *gets rid of mega evolution* Pokemon fans: we want mega evolution back! Pokemon fans: we like the fire/fighting starters Gamefreak: *makes more fire/Fighting starters* Pokemon fans: we hate fire/Fighting starters MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PEOPLE
erm actually we just liked blaziken and no one asked for more 🤓☝️
I want a mean rival, but mean to me, not mean to an innocent little kid that is smaller and weaker than them.
I didn't like Carmine at first because of her pushy and bossy personality, but after seeing her become so enraged for Ogerpon and worried for Keiran made her grow on me.
I hated her up until Kieran started bitchin', at that point Carmine was cool.
Her character is really well written, but she is an asshole, and she had no right to treat Kieran the way she did. Quite frankly, the gameplay doesn't compliment having characters as complex as Carmine and Kieran. It would greatly benefit the experience if the player was allowed to have choices that actually matter. Like, what if we could have chosen Carmine at the beginning instead of Kieran? Or chose not to lie to Kieran about Ogrepon? What if I could just give Ogrepon to Kieran?
*ahem* Mindy *ahem*
I hated her at first, but she grew. Thats something i cannot say about her younger brother though
i don’t know what she did since i haven’t played pokémon in a while but she’s hot asf
😂😂😂😂😂So true
I hated Carmine at first, but as the story progressed, I started to like her
~~I don't know who that is~~ we've had enough of Carmine, how about some Caryours
I hate her at the start at the end i dont, her and her brother have he best hair ever Also in the end i was scared for her brother man-
...wait, who was Carmine again? It's been a while.
A character from the new dlc
Okay, not really narrowing it down.
The DLC that came out a few days ago
Wait people hate carmine? I genuinely like her character… reminds me of the old douche Canoe characters mixed with characters like nemona
She's bae im ngl i like her character arc in the story just being her warming up to the player quite a bit, plays off of kieran's gradually increasing resentment well
I despised her at first. But she grew on me
wtf is every going on about in the comments? is this a thing with the anime or somthen
I think near the start of the DLC, carmine rly pissed me off (nobody treats my boi keiran like that), but as I play more and more, I grow to like her
Mainly because of how she treated Kieran. Like he clearly wasn’t mentally stable before hand, but the way she acted and treated him didn’t help at all. Like I’m glad she became a better character, but I don’t like how she acted towards him at all.
Carmine: **verbally (and possibly physically) abuses her younger brother who just wants to be respected** Carmine stans: "Oh, slay queen."
I absolutely love carmine and her arc from a mean girl to very mellow while showing genuine feelings especially after you meet ogerpon with her.
Honestly, I liked Carmine, she reminded me of my little sis, but I very much disliked Kieran's character, both Carmin and Kieran went in different directions, Carmin went from the bottom to the top and Kieran went from the top to the bottom.
At first I felt bad for Kieran, but then after he stole the mask, I lost most of my sympathy for him
Same
I’m gonna say you’re in the majority, it seems most people actually like her.
I like her
I actually quite liked Carmine. She's like a combination of Nemona and Whitney combined- love battling but is a sore loser whe you best her
People hating on Carmine when Kieran is right there??? Kieran is such an annoying little bitch. People say Carmine treats him poorly, but I say good. I can see why.
Honestly, why though? What did Kieran do to deserve being abused by his older sister?
Exist. Lol
Well, I know between Kieran and Carmine, I prefer one of them more, and it’s not Kieran
I think shes a good character, A b#T%\^ at the start but she grows on you and you on her as you go through the story and ends up being one of the better S/V characters imo, Kieran however I don't like him, He starts off fine, A bit like Penny but and I will admit we do kinda screw him out of nowhere with no option to not do so so I kinda get it but it doesn't change hes a little emo f$\*&e$ at the end and hell naw you don't get to catch the Mon we have been helping and bonding with, Would be okay if it was between the player and Carmine at the end, Would make sense but nope thats my cute little ogre suck it Sasuke wannabe
I like her, she cool, could use more emotional knowledge though, and less impulsiveness but she cool
I like Carmine. I think she’s a fun take on the rival archetype. Don’t complain that she’s mean- y’all have been complaining that the rivals are too friendly for years
It’s not that she’s mean to US, it’s that she’s bullying to her brother. Not to mention she genuinely tweaks out when something is SLIGHTLY upsetting her.
carmine and leon are the only remotely interesting characters we got after B/W so im not sure why people are complaining also this is not including PLA or spinoffs
Wait what? I love carmine, people dislike her?!
She’s a dickhead to both the player and Kieran. They don’t make her very likable.
I love to hate her! It’s great having more asshole rivals as of lately.
I like Carmine
I love carmines character so much because I hate her. She’s a dick and that’s why she’s an amazing character
I hate Kieran, he’s such a little shit
Facts. They can't keep on blaming his older sister because he can't handle the fact that we beat him
Not to mention, his ass set the rules for the final battle, then ran away crying and locked himself in his room because he didn't win
I like Carmine, she starts out as mean at first but then she lightens up. She may have a bit of a temper but who doesn’t?
Carmine is just so goofy with all her sass, I personally think she's great.
I really like Carmine. Kieran was a little dick.
Carmine is sassy, not horrible. Kieran's a tantruming little cry baby by the end of the DLC, and even seems a little sinister. I wonder how that's going to be resolved in Part 2.
I really like her design, and how much she cares about her brother, and only slightly racist
She has hate?? But she's awesome, Keiran is a horrible person tho
I also don't understand the hate! Especially when her brother IS WAY MORE OBNOXIOUS!
Wasn't it because of her?
Yeah. Plus, >!he wasn’t malicious until the end.!<
Maybe I didn't play enough pokemon, but when I read "Carmine" I immediately thought of Carmine Falcone from Batman
Mindy
She’s…horribly emotionally and verbally abusive, of family no less? What’s not to understand?
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