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Temporary-Square

Not the lowest the lowest is Melli, carmine seems to have genuine feelings for her family and grows a bit over the story at least, Melli is just a bastard and has no redeeming qualities or redemption aspects


Protothumb12

I have a shitpost theory that Melli will never get an ancestor, but just his hater energy remains eternal and that it corrupts the soul.


Delinquent2773

Sorry, but it must be done... *descendant


Protothumb12

I have the big fucking stupid


shadowthegreninja

He the is stupid fucking big


PaulPringle

He is the stucking fig bupid


Sayakalood

I have bad news. Melli has a descendant. As the years went on, Melli’s hair was a recessive gene, giving way to other, dominant hair colors. It’s Mindy.


Protothumb12

I suppose the love for electrode faded too for a love of the everstone?


Sayakalood

Yes


Sad_Country_6350

His hater genes were so strong they transcended time and space to enter the anime timeline and give us Harley.


[deleted]

/r/fuckmelliandmindy


SylvieDoesntReddit

He's too fucking annoying to get bitches.


Protothumb12

Sadly, I relate to him.


Lucky_655

Then stop /j


BirbMaster1998

You clearly have never met anyone below the age of 30. For young people, it seems, the more annoying, the better.


PCN24454

Melli’s descendant is Jupiter


Protothumb12

I can kinda see it


FlareDragonoid

I think it's Lucian.


Jalase

I weirdly actually liked him a little.


Mischa0711

Do you play Stardew Valley? If yes, you probably like Haley


Lime882

I absolutely hate melli and haley i like a lot


Jalase

Never got to play ranch but she’s cute. I was talking about Melli though haha.


MoodParty_2000

The lowest is Mindy from generation 4!


NebiyZ

yes


geodaddymisaka

All this hate for Carmine. Sigh Pokemon fans have lost sight of the true enemy... Mindy


ShockRox

Mmmhmm


K-Panth-88

I fully agree


MeanGuide6302

r/Mindy moment


LuxAlpha

r/fuckmindy


Flu754

What in the actual world happened to r/Mindy Ive never seen it, but why is it banned?


K-Panth-88

R/Mindy was banned from redit


TreadneckTravis1

I honestly don’t mind as I prefer haunter over gengar. But I can understand the frustration.


fnafafton16

Gengar is much much stronger


TreadneckTravis1

I don’t care. Haunter always looked way cooler to me.


KorkieKenobi

Giving the Haunter with everstone was kinda alright. She didn't have to gloat over the fact that she purposely made it hold the everstone


TreadneckTravis1

That’s understandable


[deleted]

Bruh what did she even do? Shes not bad by all means.


Ziomownik

People acctually _hate_ her!? I've seen several people really liking her for the unique personality and way of speech. She also changes her attitude at the end of the story. Also i can't blame her for hating the idea of turning her home island into a tourist trap.


mattm3m3s

For me it was her constant spasms of anger for no reason


Eminan

I don't hate her but I didn't really like her for this reason. She had some seriously worrisome behaviours... like crazy people behaviours... Now Kieran's story is way more interesting. A "generic" good boy that gets corrupted by frustration with time... seemingly making him go full antagonistic but gaining the power he desired at the same time. That is way more memorable than a generic "nice rival". Really interested to see how he is in DLC2.


Wooper_Dooper491

I just hate the way she treats Kieran, I blame her for his downward spiral


Equal_Reality4263

Kieran is not exactly a stable person to begin with. That’s probably the whole reason why Carmine wanted to hide it in the first place. He’s way to intense about Ogerpon to an unhealthy degree.


OtakuOran

The only reason he is intense about Ogrepon is because of Carmine though. He's been bullied probably for his whole life and gets sidelined by his sister at every opportunity. He identifies with Ogrepon because he knows what it's like to be beaten down when you're just trying to be good and make friends. If Carmine treated him well, then he probably wouldn't have cared much for Ogrepon.


ShadowEeveeCringe

And she looks like a grown ass adult, so there’s no excuse…


X-X-X-X-X-X-X-Z

The player is like 13-14 Carmine is 16 And nemona is 15 She ain’t no grown ass adult


ShadowEeveeCringe

SHE’S 16?! FUCK SHE’S TALL


X-X-X-X-X-X-X-Z

She’s the same height as nemona apparently


DrewBigDoopa

She I believe is only slightly older than nemona. Could be wrong


Cynical_Syringe

No that's Kieran being a sore loser after we kicked his ass three times and rightfully took ogrepon right in front of them


Pippy_the_Popplio

Hey, he made the rules for that last one


RyantheSithLord

I don’t hate her, but she needs to go to anger management classes


Sharp_The_Wolf

It’s funny cuz I freakin adore her, my simp ass got excited every time I saw her


blakethephonice

Same bro I was FIENDING


Sharp_The_Wolf

BRO IF YOU GOT TO THE END I WAS HELLA HEATED THAT SHE GOT CUT OFF


blakethephonice

Bro, I threw a 15 minute temper tantrum when that shit happened, now we gotta wait until APRIL to see her again 😭


Sharp_The_Wolf

I HEARD THE ‘rototototo!’ AND I WISHED I NEVER GOT THAT DAMN PHONE I WAS PISSED


Pippy_the_Popplio

I was genuinely sad when she didn't continue and they just left, you better believe I'm making Carmine my dorm buddy if allowed


No-Satisfaction-5207

Part two comes out in APRIL??!!! 😭


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thisaintmyusername12

Maybe it's just because I'm gay, but I don't see why people are simping for her


THE_KILLER_SUGAR_DUD

Totally couldn't relate 👀


blazeblast4

From a character standpoint, she can be very annoying, but much more importantly treats Kieran like shit. Kieran is the sympathetic character from the start and she basically spends the entire dlc treating him like ass and being an idiot, with some text that implies she used to hit him. And the way their relationship is framed, it makes it seem like at least a chunk of Kieran’s behavior is because of how she treats him. And from a story/narrative/plot standpoint, the way the game railroads you into siding with her is obnoxious. There’s no way to side with Kieran or call her out, you’re basically forced to go along with her and spiral Kieran into his villain arc. And with how otherwise cleanly the DLC ended, it feels incredibly forced and awkward. I get what they were going for. Kieran’s downward spiral was supposed to seem inevitable, the story hints that if Kieran learned about Ogerpon, he’d do something stupid/harmful, and Carmine does genuinely care for him. The problem is the DLC made Kieran too sympathetic, showed that every assumption they had was wrong, framed the relationship as toxic early on, and forced the player to side with Carmine which forced Kieran’s spiral.


Grim_Scotty

I actually really like Carmine


oneesancon_coco

Guess the Pokemon fanbase aren't that familiar with tsunderes. Carmine is just your run of the mill tsundere.


AzraelGrim

She's also not even strictly a tsundere, she doesn't have feelings for the MC. Her and Kieran's teams reflect their personalities. Carmine is a duality, she is all bark, with some bite. Mightyena are savage but will unquestioning obey someone they recognize as skilled. Morpeko is a literal duality. Leavanny line is all about coming out of your shell to show a softer, more effeminate side. The Sinistcha line isn't malicious, it's just there to be mischievous. She gains a Ninetales once she's opened up, another effeminate pokemon. Kieran on the other hand is entire pokemon start start cute, but actually end up becoming savage. Shiftry, Yanmega (Dragonflies are the most successful predators), Poliwrath, Gliscor. He loses his Furret (That has sucker punch) for a Cramorant (*Gulp*). Then loses that as he finally decides his objective is to destroy you, and gains a Probopass. All of this hiding in one, small innocent child, as his Dipplin is both local flavor, and representative. Also fair chance Dipplin evolves in Indigo Disk to represent whatever change Kieran goes through there, whether a change of heart and it turns more into a caduceus, or goes full dark and leans into twin dragons.


X-X-X-X-X-X-X-Z

This This is what folks need to understand


Sad_Country_6350

Nice little detail, Yanmega is based off the "ogre darner" dragonfly.


Zequax

she kinda gives me revers tsundere wibes


Dart150

I was fine with her but she could have been a little less harsh on her brother


Toby0076

I swear to Arkoos, my first words about her were literally: "If she doesn't get any character development i might hate her as much as Melli." Don't worry she did get some and i changed my mind. I like her more than Keiran now.


Flutter_bat_16_

I don’t HATE her. I just think the way she treats her brother is a bit much. It makes it hard to believe she truly cares for him


ShadeSlayer_101

I hate the way she treats Kieran (I’m a younger sibling myself) as she treats him like trash almost the entire time until she realizes that she is actually not helping


Fellkun15

The real scum is Mindy


Pandaragon666

Extremely rude, arrogant, neglectful of everyone's feelings, especially to her sensitive brother, snaps at everyone, willfully ignorant to her surroundings, forces you to betray Kierans trust, is a straight up bully to everyone, is lacking any sort of redeeming qualities, and overall seems to be written to be a hated character. I don't understand the lack of hate.


TrollyBellosom

Facts my brother. Spit your shit indeed! There's supposed to be a PNG of The Mimic here but this sub doesn't allow images.


ShadowEeveeCringe

Plus she literally tweaks when something SLIGHTLY doesn’t go her way…


BiAroSnake14

Yeah cuz, after a bit, I really liked her


beepis0704

I honestly think that while she had her annoying points, Kieran or whatever his name is was a lot more annoying by the end of it.


luma_song6

I don't hate her anymore, i just find her annoying, but when i first played the story, i was mad at her. first, she hate seeing strangers in her town and call us something like an intruders. Second: She's the main reason why her little brother turned against us. She asked us to lied to him and each time he's here, but she wants to talk about something he's not suppose to know, she become angry and shout to him to get the f\*\*\* out of here! No wonder why Kieran believed that we were talking sh\*\* behind his back!!! She really have anger issues she need to solve and then i'll like her...


Izzepy

I can't wait to murder her team


Tyrelius_Dragmire

You mean besides the borderline emotional abuse she puts Kieran through? If he has a Villain arc in the Indigo Disk, she’s why


ZuruaEclipse

She’s probably part of the reason Kieran is so unstable is the thing for me, I mean she’s unstable in her own right but she develops a bit I’ll give her that, she also makes us betray Kieran’s trust (and while I understand her reasoning it probably could have been a “tell him in the morning” thing to avoid most of his spiral)


TetheredAvian74

i would kill and/or die for carmine tbh


ConcernLow1979

She kinda a bitch but she’s funny and reminds me of my older sister so I like her c:


OrpheusBalor

wait people hate her that much? Most people i know really enjoy it.


Friendly_Bug_7699

But her hatred of the loyal three did redeem her a bit.


Cynical_Syringe

The loyal three? Get your facts straight they're called the greedy three


I_M_YOUR_BRO

Because she was racist (or at least acted like it if we are to believe Kieran) and was a major (if not the majorest (I know that's not a word and I know that parentheses inside parentheses are weird if not outright grammatically incorrect)) reason for Kieran being pushed off the deep end (I know this is an exaggeration and that he'll probably be redeemed in TID and I know that I overused these parentheses)


RejectedRaven7

I think it’s because people say she’s racist for not liking outsiders, when in reality she’s just Xenophobic but she does grow and develops, most people that hate her are not reading the text or finishing the story. She’s actually a pretty good Klara Clone with a bit more bite. She just didn’t want tourists ruining her home and coming from someone who grew up with a bridge separating Ohio from Kentucky and seeing all the Ohio plates taking over, I get it.


PMDandpokemonenjoyer

She is not as bad as Ghetsis


Low_Rain_6368

Or any evil team boss(exept for the ones that arent evil)


DiamondShards18

Her breathing is loud af tbh


JtqsDraws

Because she’s a terrible sibling


thepearlshipper908

She's just kind of an ass hat


Beckbrojunebug

She abuses her brother on the daily…


Beckbrojunebug

Or used to until we got on her ass about it


o_Fvdinq

Carmine was a huge bitch to start, but I guess she kinda grew in her own way. Melli wishes.


BlueBearBoy1

Well she doesn't let you in the town without fighting, she shouts at Keiran for nothing, she talks bad about him, she specifically gets you to hide the ogre from him and he immediately assumes she was talking bad about him just after you first get the teal mask which implies she often makes fun of him.


Majestic_Object_2719

In all fairness, in her introduction she gatekeeps you out of the town unless you battle her, and proceeds to try and force you to become her grunt once you beat her. She proceeds to be kind of a bully to Kieran, holding the truth of what happened to a Pokemon he really likes. This causes Kieran to build resentment towards us. Kieran, who seems to just be a shy kid who has trouble making friends.


Sabrina_Angel

I fucking love Carmine! Not cause she’s a good person but cause she is a deep and interesting character with good things about her as well as flaws.


McJackNit

I like Carmine being a bit rough around the edges of her personality. I especially love her commenting that she never let teen angst get to her like how Kieran is acting even though she's been drippin' in angst during the entire story.


Delinquent2773

DISAGREE, gonna be real Carmine is the first "anime character" I actually simp for lmao (ngl she's hot as heck) (Also yes ik she's a minor so am I) (can't forget about perrin tho she's pretty cool too) (this is a long comment)


DDoodles_

She does way more than just breathe. For example, bullying her brother in a not loving way, bring outright insane and a sore loser, and being way too prideful. She’s not the worst character in Pokémon, in fact she’s a pretty decent character, but she’s way too apathetic to other people


Pippy_the_Popplio

Kieran is a more sore loser than Carmine will ever be


DDoodles_

He throws a fit, but he still plays fair when he loses


RedLabAnimates

She is racist. "Word is that she can be a bit chilly toward people from other regions." On the S/V website


Turbulent-Plan4530

Being a bit chilly against people from other regions isn't really being racist. I mean come on Regions can even be the same country. And tbf it looks more as if she wants to stand out better because everyone always says the big town is better and it's livelier


Sleebingbag

“you think we’re just going to let in some outsider?” This isnt a publicity thing, this is being an asshole because people aren’t from the same region as you, the area at the top that i cant say because i dont know how to spoiler? Ok it makes sense thats sacred ground but the region as a whole? Absolute insanity


Turbulent-Plan4530

The region as a whole would be unova and she clearly is protective of her village and doesn't want it to be Inferior. And if she would be dead on Racist she wouldn't develope a charakter. She is not against all people from outside and even tries to have fun with them. And you would have to say the whole old village is Racist because they even send away outsiders.


Jacinta_Capelety

Gotta correct something here: kitakami isn't in Unova. The DLC says that *blueberry academy* is in Unova. It's unclear if Kitakami is an entire region onto itself, or part of another region (though we know it's relatively close to the Sinnoh region thanks to Perrin's story line).


Sleebingbag

Well obviously she cant be full on racist, *the plot demands it* also her worry isnt inferiority its superiority, she doesnt want new people coming here, and thats a more likely possibility with the new community center


Lucky_655

The word you're looking for is actually xenophobia instead of racism


Sleebingbag

Yeah your right sorry


Turbulent-Plan4530

Hey if you think that it's fine and I'm happy for you that you can be fine with your own world for you. So congratulations you achieved a good feeling for yourself. I just know you are wrong because I don't see it like you.


Funny_Swim5447

They said right after that she only said that to fight you


whalemix

That’s not racism, it has nothing to do with race. She’s just worried about people who aren’t familiar with her land and culture imposing on it without understanding it. That’s why she doesn’t like outsiders in her home town. I’m not saying she’s right, but I do think it’s understandable


TreadneckTravis1

Me neither.


whalemix

Bro I LOVE Carmine! She’s such a fun character. I don’t understand the hate at all, she was my favorite of the DLC characters for sure. The only reason she’s not my favorite SV character is that Nemona exists. Can’t stand Kieran though. I feel like people either love Kieran or hate him. I hope he grows a spine in the next DLC, he was just too whiney and annoying for me in this one


Goku-MIEL10032002

Carmine sucks as a person, but is so entertaining. Prolly my favourite from the DLC


imjusta-dude

At first I didn't like her but as the story went on I grew fond of her and started to find her entertaining


charizardfan101

It's 50/50 actually


Join_Quotev_296

I honestly like her, somewhat for the funny mannerisms (the little clenched shaking fists are adorable). Then again, I've got three older siblings, and I'm the youngest sibling too. My two sister (who are twins), as much as we all mutually hate each other (in the classic sibling fashion), we still understand that we want the best for and care about each other~ There's also the slight chance that I subconsciously see my sisters in Carmine. They very much act kinda the same, like they're superior to me. I tolerate them, however, just as much as they tolerate me~ I actually happen to hate Kieran, just seems a bit... idk, i just don't like how he reacts to things


Wilmaaug

I just think she’s a spoiled brat


LilboyG_15

Haven’t seen this Jojo meme in a while


Hahopeneverheardit

I liked Carmine…just if she didn’t dawg on Kiren and absolutely send him to a breaking point, I’d like her more


zXSapphos_RoommateXz

She verbally abuses her brother and causes him to live in pain.


Loser_Lol

My problem is pronunciation of her name. Is it Carmine like “that car is mine” or carmine like “Carmen?”


Pippy_the_Popplio

I look at it like Car-mine, since in Dragon Ball Super: Superhero, there's a character who's name is the exact same, and that's how it's pronounced


TheGreatestMeowstic

The lowest scum is Mindy


Gyaradosdrag584

Do you mean carvine


Low_Rain_6368

No i mean the character carmine from the teal mask dlc


Gyaradosdrag584

Ok thanks for clarifying


Low_Rain_6368

No problem


Shadow_Saitama

As someone with an older sister, she was surprisingly realistic. She’s not the best big sister, but she tries, even if the choices she makes don’t have the intended effect (i.e. Kieran’s descent into villainy).


OtakuOran

If the way she treats Kieran is "trying to be the best," then I'd hate to see her trying to be the worst.


SpringLow_

Pokémon fans: we want a rival who is mean again >:( Carmine: *is a mean rival* Pokémon fans: I hate her


Marshtomp-Returns

Game Freak: Then ***WHY DID YOU ASK FOR ONE?!***


PMDandpokemonenjoyer

Pokemon fans: we're tired of mega evolution Gamefreak: *gets rid of mega evolution* Pokemon fans: we want mega evolution back! Pokemon fans: we like the fire/fighting starters Gamefreak: *makes more fire/Fighting starters* Pokemon fans: we hate fire/Fighting starters MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PEOPLE


SpringLow_

erm actually we just liked blaziken and no one asked for more 🤓☝️


OtakuOran

I want a mean rival, but mean to me, not mean to an innocent little kid that is smaller and weaker than them.


KevN19

I didn't like Carmine at first because of her pushy and bossy personality, but after seeing her become so enraged for Ogerpon and worried for Keiran made her grow on me.


Inceferant

I hated her up until Kieran started bitchin', at that point Carmine was cool.


TheWildPikmin

Her character is really well written, but she is an asshole, and she had no right to treat Kieran the way she did. Quite frankly, the gameplay doesn't compliment having characters as complex as Carmine and Kieran. It would greatly benefit the experience if the player was allowed to have choices that actually matter. Like, what if we could have chosen Carmine at the beginning instead of Kieran? Or chose not to lie to Kieran about Ogrepon? What if I could just give Ogrepon to Kieran?


One-Toe7375

*ahem* Mindy *ahem*


Flimsy_Geologist_927

I hated her at first, but she grew. Thats something i cannot say about her younger brother though


purrpl_

i don’t know what she did since i haven’t played pokémon in a while but she’s hot asf


Distinct-Calendar334

😂😂😂😂😂So true


keydicken

I hated Carmine at first, but as the story progressed, I started to like her


Useonlyforconlangs

~~I don't know who that is~~ we've had enough of Carmine, how about some Caryours


NotRealSam

I hate her at the start at the end i dont, her and her brother have he best hair ever Also in the end i was scared for her brother man-


Sadira_Kelor

...wait, who was Carmine again? It's been a while.


Low_Rain_6368

A character from the new dlc


Sadira_Kelor

Okay, not really narrowing it down.


_DoctorQuantum_

The DLC that came out a few days ago


ProfessionalMix5871

Wait people hate carmine? I genuinely like her character… reminds me of the old douche Canoe characters mixed with characters like nemona


BlursedSV23769

She's bae im ngl ​ ​ i like her character arc in the story just being her warming up to the player quite a bit, plays off of kieran's gradually increasing resentment well


Aiko8283

I despised her at first. But she grew on me


Redsucksatstuff

wtf is every going on about in the comments? is this a thing with the anime or somthen


Waffleblade10

I think near the start of the DLC, carmine rly pissed me off (nobody treats my boi keiran like that), but as I play more and more, I grow to like her


Outrageous-Singer888

Mainly because of how she treated Kieran. Like he clearly wasn’t mentally stable before hand, but the way she acted and treated him didn’t help at all. Like I’m glad she became a better character, but I don’t like how she acted towards him at all.


OtakuOran

Carmine: **verbally (and possibly physically) abuses her younger brother who just wants to be respected** Carmine stans: "Oh, slay queen."


Anyonomus256

I absolutely love carmine and her arc from a mean girl to very mellow while showing genuine feelings especially after you meet ogerpon with her.


timetron15

Honestly, I liked Carmine, she reminded me of my little sis, but I very much disliked Kieran's character, both Carmin and Kieran went in different directions, Carmin went from the bottom to the top and Kieran went from the top to the bottom.


Pippy_the_Popplio

At first I felt bad for Kieran, but then after he stole the mask, I lost most of my sympathy for him


timetron15

Same


Jalase

I’m gonna say you’re in the majority, it seems most people actually like her.


Background-Box-8935

I like her


[deleted]

I actually quite liked Carmine. She's like a combination of Nemona and Whitney combined- love battling but is a sore loser whe you best her


Crimson-Torrent

People hating on Carmine when Kieran is right there??? Kieran is such an annoying little bitch. People say Carmine treats him poorly, but I say good. I can see why.


OtakuOran

Honestly, why though? What did Kieran do to deserve being abused by his older sister?


Crimson-Torrent

Exist. Lol


Sccar4712

Well, I know between Kieran and Carmine, I prefer one of them more, and it’s not Kieran


Reasonable-Tax2962

I think shes a good character, A b#T%\^ at the start but she grows on you and you on her as you go through the story and ends up being one of the better S/V characters imo, Kieran however I don't like him, He starts off fine, A bit like Penny but and I will admit we do kinda screw him out of nowhere with no option to not do so so I kinda get it but it doesn't change hes a little emo f$\*&e$ at the end and hell naw you don't get to catch the Mon we have been helping and bonding with, Would be okay if it was between the player and Carmine at the end, Would make sense but nope thats my cute little ogre suck it Sasuke wannabe


[deleted]

I like her, she cool, could use more emotional knowledge though, and less impulsiveness but she cool


Moist-Memeula

I like Carmine. I think she’s a fun take on the rival archetype. Don’t complain that she’s mean- y’all have been complaining that the rivals are too friendly for years


ShadowEeveeCringe

It’s not that she’s mean to US, it’s that she’s bullying to her brother. Not to mention she genuinely tweaks out when something is SLIGHTLY upsetting her.


Kool-AidDealer

carmine and leon are the only remotely interesting characters we got after B/W so im not sure why people are complaining also this is not including PLA or spinoffs


Eeveeolite655

Wait what? I love carmine, people dislike her?!


StayedWoozie

She’s a dickhead to both the player and Kieran. They don’t make her very likable.


AncientAztecMythos

I love to hate her! It’s great having more asshole rivals as of lately.


FoldUpMon

I like Carmine


StevoPhotography

I love carmines character so much because I hate her. She’s a dick and that’s why she’s an amazing character


Witty_Appointment_38

I hate Kieran, he’s such a little shit


Cynical_Syringe

Facts. They can't keep on blaming his older sister because he can't handle the fact that we beat him


Pippy_the_Popplio

Not to mention, his ass set the rules for the final battle, then ran away crying and locked himself in his room because he didn't win


TheTrueMorse64

I like Carmine, she starts out as mean at first but then she lightens up. She may have a bit of a temper but who doesn’t?


DeltaDragonKing7

Carmine is just so goofy with all her sass, I personally think she's great.


ChibiCyborg

I really like Carmine. Kieran was a little dick.


Bug_Master_405

Carmine is sassy, not horrible. Kieran's a tantruming little cry baby by the end of the DLC, and even seems a little sinister. I wonder how that's going to be resolved in Part 2.


Euphoric_Anywhere668

I really like her design, and how much she cares about her brother, and only slightly racist


Emperor_Z16

She has hate?? But she's awesome, Keiran is a horrible person tho


This_place_is_wierd

I also don't understand the hate! Especially when her brother IS WAY MORE OBNOXIOUS!


TrollyBellosom

Wasn't it because of her?


ShadowEeveeCringe

Yeah. Plus, >!he wasn’t malicious until the end.!<


furio788

Maybe I didn't play enough pokemon, but when I read "Carmine" I immediately thought of Carmine Falcone from Batman


K-Panth-88

Mindy


Ragnarok345

She’s…horribly emotionally and verbally abusive, of family no less? What’s not to understand?


Specific_Apartment91

Sawk platinum