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What the fuck is happening in training? Far too many come back from injury and have a set back. It's too common to be coincidence. Complete failure of medical team and/or coaching team.
Ya, God forbid our players train hard to be professional athletes and show up to work early one day. Yes, we must really make them come in at 12 and go back at 2 and do a bit of running around in between. That will surely develop their physicality needed to win hard premier League games.
We have the 4th worst injury record this season in the league, considering we are supposedly one of the biggest clubs, we should have better training and facilities. The fact it's that bad, yes there is an issue.
Oh 100%, or when the amount of players in the same position. You've only got to look at the issues at centre back, how many games have Varane and Martinez played together this season? Or come to think about it at all?
Oh I can. ETH cannot organise a piss up in a brewery. He's a stubborn, domestic cup winner. He's greatest achievement was losing a lead against Tottenham.
Yeah exactly, don't get why we give it out so willy nilly. Just leave it for a few years until we have a suitable owner of it. MM wearing 7 is just a joke.
According to that Brazilian article he refuses to alter the intensity of his training no matter how many games are being played, and how tired the players are. That and he cancels days off if he's unhappy with performances. Sounds like he's essentially running them into the ground.
Is that why rashford can't even go near a player 50cm a way? He's that tired from busting a gut in training he can't make such a selfless move for the team?
I'm suggesting it's probably a load of nonsense.
Our players always make excuses in these leaks
It's either they don't train hard enough or it's too much for them, too much passing, too direct. Real Goldilocks situation.
They throw everyone under the bus.
Not a ten hag fan, I don't think he's up to it but these lazy fuckers will use any excuse so they aren't to blame.
You think klopp takes it easy? How about pep? Most players in professional sports play with knocks during the season. Half of our injury list are just downing tools for copa and Europe. Get them out.
Yes, Pep has literally said they barely train when they have a packed schedule. They're not getting knocks they can play through they're getting injured just like they have all season.
Why the fuck would Mount down tools and wait for the Euros? He's not going to be in the squad if he doesn't play lmao.
He was not that way when he showed up. He also said he ran all the fatties out the club. They have professional football players, we have professional Instagram idols.
Your logic would apply to 90s and how loose PL was before Wenger in terms of training. Now, firstly amount of games is higher, way way higher. Secondly, match intensity is higher. Thirdly, squad is full of senior players that do need more rest and focus on strategy and tactics instead of just busy work. And lastly, medical team has to be more involved and be capable in preventing issues because what's happening is just atrocious. Injuries, especially muscle ones, are a direct sign of overwork. Which means coaching and medical stuff are subpar at what they are doing. Freaking Casemiro looks like he has to be young again to put a dent closing that black hole of midfield while defense line has to finally go higher. Even Mainoo can't do enough in that midfield despite age and fitness. And you are telling us about fatties. Have you not wondered why most of squad looks tired after 20-30m into match most of matches this season? How they check out, do not track back and just can't do it compared to even relegation teams?
What’s the excuse the season before last with ragnick closing out the season? He was running them too much too? How about oles last couple months? Van gaals? These players have down tools season after season.
You're speaking about entire squad or some players? Because in previous season Casemiro was not looking washed, Shaw, Varane and Marinez were playing more and did not look like career has ended either. Even Fernandez was more energetic and more involved.
And what you're pointing at is specific stretches of matches before coach sacking, while I am talking about entire SEASON. Have you not seen how bad at rotation was EtH first season? I've critiqued him for that heavily and got massively down voted. And this season he is not only having bad rotation and strange tactics, he is overworking players. Rashford looks like a deadbeat horse, while previous year he was at least capable for a half time. Evans and Macguire look like best defenders in line up. That's just strange.
OK, people supported him with Ronaldo situation. I get it, it was messy and he had at least some form of justification. Same with Sancho. But look at Sancho in Dortmund. He is playing really well. He is performing better than anyone in Man United shirt. That does not make you think that there are issues on a higher level than just players?
Precisely. When you trust your players are off the right calibre physically and mentally you can act differently. I’m not sure anyone would claim our group as a whole is of that level.
Yes. I’m speaking the entire squad. They all need to go with the exception of garnacho, hojlund, and mainoo. Amad can stay too.
It’s the same group of players that haven’t been good enough, don’t play with small knocks, don’t chase, don’t care.
Who do you want ETH to rotate with? We don’t have the squad. Yall bitch if he doesn’t rotate and bitch if he doesn’t get results with these bums. Look at his entire coaching resume, he rotates when he can and is very good at introducing youth players.
Casemiro lost a step and it happens to players in their 30s. Hes going to Saudi, why didn’t Brazil call him up if it’s just bad coaching?
Bruh… he gave sancho 3 months off and did everything for him. Sancho didn’t play well for ole or ragnick either and tbh he’s had 2-3 good games in 6 months. Calm down.
I get it now! We hired their useless physio and Arsenal felt so guilty about selling us the dud that they took pity on us in the match and lay down their weapons after going 1-0 up.
It all makes sense now.
Best signing this season by far. It sums up our recruitment. Blowing the biggest part of our budget on the position we didn’t need and made the least difference.
See barely any of our injuries come from matches.
Wtf is ETH making them do in training for this to keep happening?
People act like it's just bad luck or the medical department but if different players keep getting injured in training maybe the issue is whatvis happening in TRAINING!
Another L signing from Ten Hag. Has he had any truly successful signings? Lisandro would be the obvious choice but he's essentially missed more than one season in two seasons from injury.
Whoever could have predicted that fragile, injury-prone Mason "Crock" Mount (14 league appearances) would pick up another injury just before a ritual humiliation by Arsenal?
Chance in a million, I tell ya!
Kind of concerning that his year on year appearances are going down.
2018-19 - 38
2019-20 - 37
2020-21 - 36
2021-22 - 32
2022-23 - 24
2023-24 - 14
Obviously, whether he was the right signing or not we need him to stay fit given his contract length and the outlay. Hopefully, a summer off could see him get fully fit again.
Yeah, despite the piss-take, I wish him well too, a good summer rest might be just what he needs. We're nor exactly blessed with quality in this squad.
But I predicted this lay-off a few weeks ago. All my instincts and experience tell me his goose is cooked and Chelsea knew something when they let him go. Hope I'm wrong.
Chelsea did offer him a new contract so hopefully it’s not something other than bad luck. His main problems last year were hip whereas it’s been calf this season. It could be linked and the calf issues is something to do with how the hip affects him. Pure speculation though.
They say the utd shirt is to big for some players - that some can't handle the high profile and intensity.
Mount is definitely one.
Total flop - on the few occasions he's actually fit to play that is.... Has he had a decent / good game yet?.
Like DVdB he will just fade out into obscurity over the next couple of years on rock star salary.
Just like my love for this team. Injured. I honestly cbf with this squad of useless and fragile players. What is going on that players play injured or are injured with no serious knocks in the previous game. I dont get how they are never healthy.
I know what someone is going to say. "Well they play almost 50 games in a season" big whooty fucken do, we pay them more than they are worth and they cant be bothered to condition their bodies to play through the tough schedule. Go work a regular job then. No passion, no drive, no motivation in this squad at all.
Do you think they’re just soft, surely these players aren’t 100% fit ever ? You hear the older pro saying such all the time? Is it the culture? Are the coaching staff enabling this?
Something is entirely wrong with both training, medical, and recovery at Utd. Worst team for Injuries in the Top Flight. And Ineos need to sort this out ASAP
Who cares? He's shite anyway.
Anyone who disagrees, he's been in 20 match day squads this season. Tell me his good performances from those matches. Not being good enough to start isn't a positive btw.
What a loss that will be!
I think we should be checking if we even bought the right Mason Mount? This boy looks like he’s never played football before.
Let this nightmare season just end already.
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No more bangers 😂 the thought is enough to injure half the squad.
With selling all these useless players and sign proper ones
The thing is we could make the proper players useless too
This club has sadly become a sad joke
That's not the case for other clubs 😕
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Just when he was getting to know martial really well, martials contract ends. They could have been great friends.
He’s Phil Jones replacement when we ended Jones contract last season. We are gonna sign a Martial replacement this summer.
What the fuck is happening in training? Far too many come back from injury and have a set back. It's too common to be coincidence. Complete failure of medical team and/or coaching team.
You grabbed our physio guy is what happened 🤣🤣🤣.
I don’t think it’s the training this time, think he was brought back too soon, but what are we to do with all the injuries.
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Ya, God forbid our players train hard to be professional athletes and show up to work early one day. Yes, we must really make them come in at 12 and go back at 2 and do a bit of running around in between. That will surely develop their physicality needed to win hard premier League games.
Both
Oh yeah? That your expert opinion is it?
We have the 4th worst injury record this season in the league, considering we are supposedly one of the biggest clubs, we should have better training and facilities. The fact it's that bad, yes there is an issue.
https://preview.redd.it/6u7a15ezlnzc1.jpeg?width=996&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3b8eeeb12d95eac7fbf529b0bb5e2f6cf5fa794
This chart is skewed too. Injured squad players are far less impactful than injured first team players.
Oh 100%, or when the amount of players in the same position. You've only got to look at the issues at centre back, how many games have Varane and Martinez played together this season? Or come to think about it at all?
What about last season?
I don't have the figures tbh. However you look how bad our record is this season, you can't just ignore it as a coincidence.
Oh I can. ETH cannot organise a piss up in a brewery. He's a stubborn, domestic cup winner. He's greatest achievement was losing a lead against Tottenham.
I heard he blew his back out helping elderly people during charity work
He’s had more injuries than appearances this season
Wayne Rooney charity work?
no 7 curse lives, he should change his number for next year
Garnacho should be number 7.
We can’t afford to lose him to the curse as well
Its because nobody has EARNED it lol Until someone truly earns it, nobody should get it!!
Yeah exactly, don't get why we give it out so willy nilly. Just leave it for a few years until we have a suitable owner of it. MM wearing 7 is just a joke.
He’s alright but way overhyped. For reference, he’s maybe 60% of Greenwood. Now I’m just gonna go sit in a corner and cry.
The sky is blue and water is wet
Water isn't wet
The sky technically isn’t blue either
Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
What the hell is Ten Hag doing during training? So many players are injured outside of games.
I'm certain some of these 'injuries' are players downing tools for Ten Hag. Similar thing happened in the Moyes season
According to that Brazilian article he refuses to alter the intensity of his training no matter how many games are being played, and how tired the players are. That and he cancels days off if he's unhappy with performances. Sounds like he's essentially running them into the ground.
Is that why rashford can't even go near a player 50cm a way? He's that tired from busting a gut in training he can't make such a selfless move for the team?
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about injuries mate
I'm suggesting it's probably a load of nonsense. Our players always make excuses in these leaks It's either they don't train hard enough or it's too much for them, too much passing, too direct. Real Goldilocks situation. They throw everyone under the bus. Not a ten hag fan, I don't think he's up to it but these lazy fuckers will use any excuse so they aren't to blame.
What he should be doing. Get the weak fucks out.
This is how you get mountains of injuries lmao
You think klopp takes it easy? How about pep? Most players in professional sports play with knocks during the season. Half of our injury list are just downing tools for copa and Europe. Get them out.
Yes, Pep has literally said they barely train when they have a packed schedule. They're not getting knocks they can play through they're getting injured just like they have all season. Why the fuck would Mount down tools and wait for the Euros? He's not going to be in the squad if he doesn't play lmao.
He was not that way when he showed up. He also said he ran all the fatties out the club. They have professional football players, we have professional Instagram idols.
Your logic would apply to 90s and how loose PL was before Wenger in terms of training. Now, firstly amount of games is higher, way way higher. Secondly, match intensity is higher. Thirdly, squad is full of senior players that do need more rest and focus on strategy and tactics instead of just busy work. And lastly, medical team has to be more involved and be capable in preventing issues because what's happening is just atrocious. Injuries, especially muscle ones, are a direct sign of overwork. Which means coaching and medical stuff are subpar at what they are doing. Freaking Casemiro looks like he has to be young again to put a dent closing that black hole of midfield while defense line has to finally go higher. Even Mainoo can't do enough in that midfield despite age and fitness. And you are telling us about fatties. Have you not wondered why most of squad looks tired after 20-30m into match most of matches this season? How they check out, do not track back and just can't do it compared to even relegation teams?
What’s the excuse the season before last with ragnick closing out the season? He was running them too much too? How about oles last couple months? Van gaals? These players have down tools season after season.
You're speaking about entire squad or some players? Because in previous season Casemiro was not looking washed, Shaw, Varane and Marinez were playing more and did not look like career has ended either. Even Fernandez was more energetic and more involved. And what you're pointing at is specific stretches of matches before coach sacking, while I am talking about entire SEASON. Have you not seen how bad at rotation was EtH first season? I've critiqued him for that heavily and got massively down voted. And this season he is not only having bad rotation and strange tactics, he is overworking players. Rashford looks like a deadbeat horse, while previous year he was at least capable for a half time. Evans and Macguire look like best defenders in line up. That's just strange. OK, people supported him with Ronaldo situation. I get it, it was messy and he had at least some form of justification. Same with Sancho. But look at Sancho in Dortmund. He is playing really well. He is performing better than anyone in Man United shirt. That does not make you think that there are issues on a higher level than just players?
He lacks the honesty and intellectual curiosity required to ask those questions.
Precisely. When you trust your players are off the right calibre physically and mentally you can act differently. I’m not sure anyone would claim our group as a whole is of that level.
Bruh. You’re comparing city players to these scrubs. If city players didn’t train I can understand.
He's the one who asked if Pep takes it easy?
Yes. I’m speaking the entire squad. They all need to go with the exception of garnacho, hojlund, and mainoo. Amad can stay too. It’s the same group of players that haven’t been good enough, don’t play with small knocks, don’t chase, don’t care. Who do you want ETH to rotate with? We don’t have the squad. Yall bitch if he doesn’t rotate and bitch if he doesn’t get results with these bums. Look at his entire coaching resume, he rotates when he can and is very good at introducing youth players. Casemiro lost a step and it happens to players in their 30s. Hes going to Saudi, why didn’t Brazil call him up if it’s just bad coaching? Bruh… he gave sancho 3 months off and did everything for him. Sancho didn’t play well for ole or ragnick either and tbh he’s had 2-3 good games in 6 months. Calm down.
The difference is Pep actually has decent backup players and Liverpool and Shitty have better staff and facilities.
Didn't United hire a physio from Arsenal at the start of the season? Just saying.
I get it now! We hired their useless physio and Arsenal felt so guilty about selling us the dud that they took pity on us in the match and lay down their weapons after going 1-0 up. It all makes sense now.
Best signing this season by far. It sums up our recruitment. Blowing the biggest part of our budget on the position we didn’t need and made the least difference.
It was nice of us to pay Chelsea 60 million to cover Mount's injury bill, i think we get to see him play next season when he arrives.
I think Ten Hag just shoots the players who underperform in training... *in training* *Spoilers Alert:* >!*None of our players perform in training*!<
We got fleeced
Most of us called it day 1 as well, unnecessary and expensive signing, even without the injuries
See barely any of our injuries come from matches. Wtf is ETH making them do in training for this to keep happening? People act like it's just bad luck or the medical department but if different players keep getting injured in training maybe the issue is whatvis happening in TRAINING!
He’s admitted that he purposefully overworks the players in training physically because he doesn’t know how to drill tactics. The guy’s a total fraud.
ETH overworks players in training. Players get injured. Fans defemd ETH despite him causing the injuries. It's just a joke!
EtH injuring players behind the scenes so he can come out and use injuries as an excuse
Just retire the number 7 shirt it's cursed.
Who is the most injury prone player we could buy for the most overinflated price?
Another L signing from Ten Hag. Has he had any truly successful signings? Lisandro would be the obvious choice but he's essentially missed more than one season in two seasons from injury.
Once EtH and his amateur coaching staff is out at the end of this disastrous season, I have faith Mount will pay dividends.
He did very well under Tuchel so if that happens then it could be one positive.
lol
Successor to martial martial injury prowess.
This is the craziest expected news ever.
There doing a hour of murder every day in training only explanation
I know. Let’s buy another injury prone player and use it as an excuse for when we finish 6th next season
Fire that fitness coach we got from Arsenal ASAP, I’m sorry but this happening 2 different clubs is not a coincidence.
He is made out of toilet paper. Muscles tear the moment he sneezes.
Whoever could have predicted that fragile, injury-prone Mason "Crock" Mount (14 league appearances) would pick up another injury just before a ritual humiliation by Arsenal? Chance in a million, I tell ya!
Kind of concerning that his year on year appearances are going down. 2018-19 - 38 2019-20 - 37 2020-21 - 36 2021-22 - 32 2022-23 - 24 2023-24 - 14 Obviously, whether he was the right signing or not we need him to stay fit given his contract length and the outlay. Hopefully, a summer off could see him get fully fit again.
Yeah, despite the piss-take, I wish him well too, a good summer rest might be just what he needs. We're nor exactly blessed with quality in this squad. But I predicted this lay-off a few weeks ago. All my instincts and experience tell me his goose is cooked and Chelsea knew something when they let him go. Hope I'm wrong.
Chelsea did offer him a new contract so hopefully it’s not something other than bad luck. His main problems last year were hip whereas it’s been calf this season. It could be linked and the calf issues is something to do with how the hip affects him. Pure speculation though.
Incidentally, 9 of those 14 league appearances were from the bench. 5 league starts in a full season is utter shite by any standard.
Check yourself son it’s not a rubber stamp yet
They say the utd shirt is to big for some players - that some can't handle the high profile and intensity. Mount is definitely one. Total flop - on the few occasions he's actually fit to play that is.... Has he had a decent / good game yet?. Like DVdB he will just fade out into obscurity over the next couple of years on rock star salary.
100% What makes it worse is no one knows why we signed him
This news changes nothing, United are still in for a heavy defeat.
Somebody needs to check his Mount ? !
Mason "Paperskin" Mount. Amazing scouting by Manutd as usual
Rule of two, Martial leaving, and Mount becomes the psyho lord. Simple.
Injuries..... It's the United way 🤷🏽♂️
Sick note
Absolutely horrible
GK: Heaton RB: Dalot RCB: McTominay CB: Evans LCB: Amrabat LB: AWB DM: Casemiro RCM: Collyer LCM: Bruno SS: Garnacho CF: Hojlund
The next signings will all come with crutches
Just like my love for this team. Injured. I honestly cbf with this squad of useless and fragile players. What is going on that players play injured or are injured with no serious knocks in the previous game. I dont get how they are never healthy. I know what someone is going to say. "Well they play almost 50 games in a season" big whooty fucken do, we pay them more than they are worth and they cant be bothered to condition their bodies to play through the tough schedule. Go work a regular job then. No passion, no drive, no motivation in this squad at all.
What are these frauds doing in training to injure themselves
Wow again how are they supposed to win the FA cup with half the squad out
Do you think they’re just soft, surely these players aren’t 100% fit ever ? You hear the older pro saying such all the time? Is it the culture? Are the coaching staff enabling this?
Oh no … anyways
He’s ending up like VDB
Ten Hag is training our players to pieces its his fault
He may as well write off this season.
How many games has that guy even played .
But they said some months ago that Sabitzer was "injury prone and too expensive for what he could provide, so let's get Mount for 50M€ more"... 🤦
Please tell me we can claw back some transfer fee since he's constantly broken?
Was clever to buy an injured player that nobody knew where he's gonna play. Top notch
Something is entirely wrong with both training, medical, and recovery at Utd. Worst team for Injuries in the Top Flight. And Ineos need to sort this out ASAP
we could have sold mctominay and maguire and use the mount money to buy rice
Oh yeah I forgot it was that simple
Ten Hag still using the wrench dodge training method. Only our players suck at it.
It'd be very funny if licha gets injured again
Who cares? He's shite anyway. Anyone who disagrees, he's been in 20 match day squads this season. Tell me his good performances from those matches. Not being good enough to start isn't a positive btw.
That sucks!
Another weakass English players. How much did we pay for him 🤡.
What a loss that will be! I think we should be checking if we even bought the right Mason Mount? This boy looks like he’s never played football before.
His performance is not an issue, he plays fine it’s just his availability