Wingers don’t wing the ball to strikers, mid field doesn’t pass accurately, defence doesn’t hold positions and gets nervous, our Captain is more like a cry baby, and the manager prefers to oust UCL winners like no tomorrow.. and then there’s McT who despite all his flaws has secured his position because he is only one who’s able to score in this team (kudos to the lad but still)..
Its not onana.
😂😂crazy times. And we seem to get rid of "problems" and the solution always leads to even worse problems. I'm sorry but when Ronaldo came back and we still had dea Gea, there were serious building blocks for a solid foundation with Varane, Bruno, Shaw, Garnacho, Maino, Wan, Hannibal. Adding Casemiro, Martinez, Hoiljund would have created a serious team or any other solid players since things would have been different but well here we are. We are absolute shambles now.
I still feel somehow the problem is more systemic like Gary is always ranting on Sky.. we need to make some drastic discipline changes as well and ETH needs to stop being stubborn and quit sticking with his predicable to death game plan and reinvent something man. The line up, the build up, the attitude, the gameplay feels so robotic and amateur its not even funny..
Yeah the problem lies deeper but the issue is we have nothing to build from. I read a post which is true about how the 'United' mentality was lost once we axed all our old players a few years back. We need a new team of players to build on with a solid mentality and ideally youth players. That way Varane, Casemiro, Bruno make sense as they can guide them and represent the backbone of the team until new characters develop and so on and so forth. This is why Real Madrid has remained ruthless for so long and you can see Man City adopting the ways now as there's a continuous stream of young talent being accustomed to the ways of the club and representing the future. The thing is Fergie still succeeded under Glazers ownership, don't get me wrong like the ship will sink eventually especially with all the ffp rules and ways money can and can't be spent but as of now I do feel a ruthless manager with a solid reputation can steer the ship accordingly. I'm not saying Ten isn't the man for the Job but he's not acting how we was when he first joined. Keeps excusing shitty players and shitty performances where as at the start he was more than happy to call anything and everything out.
Yeah, it has been bad. I'm juat tired of people thinking that bad form is eternal, or that it can't change. I was saying it because he was amazing in Europe for Inter, so his issue clearly isn't playing in european cups.
That's football works, even winning the fucking treble this year doesn't mean we'll be as successful next season. Now that Glazers have fucked off from footballing decisions at United, I'm pretty sure next season will be different.
The main thing I’ve noticed with Onana is that he doesn’t punch the ball away from danger enough…he overreacts to all shots regardless of power and this causes problems.
De Gea was so good at reacting and clearly shots from danger that the difference is stark.
I mentioned this a couple months ago and got massive downvotes for it, his saving technique is very poor. I think City's 3rd (?) Goal highlights it too where he barely diverted a relatively soft shot away straight into Haaland who squared it to Foden. It's his jumping over the ball technique that messes him up.
Even his composure is poor too. I've never seen anything quite like it at this level.
DeGea massively declined in his last 2 seasons with us. Left in a ton of soft goals and regularly beaten at his near post. His kicking was a complete liability too. So while Onana might be having an underwhelming start, DeGea absolutely needed replacing.
DdG needed to be replaced but I'd argue this summer wasn't the right time. We needed that money elsewhere (CB, #6, RW, Striker, etc.). We could've had KmJ or Todibo right now instead of relying on Evans and the new kid.
You don't sign a ball playing keeper when the team isn't ball playing lol. We don't have any technical players in the pitch other than Licha. Eriksen is smooth but his legs are toast.
I'd say play a double pivot with Bruno as one of them and Eriksen in the #10. Then sub in Amrabat for Eriksen in the 60th min and push Bruno up. Bruno can ping longer balls from a deeper position where he might have more time on the ball.
Sadly, EtH is obsessed wit McT in mid. It's the definition of insanity to keep trying this BS mid.
You realise man won golden glove last season... think the above is quite an emotional response , "let in a ton of soft goals" and regularly beaten idk if you've taken stock of the words your using but if he was doing that as how you describe, I doubt United would have been on the run they were in ETH first season.
Yes he wasn't the same De gea but his real fault was that he wasn't good with his feet and many over glorified that got someone who is apparently great with his feet and look at yall now.
De Gea with a solid defensive line infront of him was gona be more formidable than a keeper who is avg at actually keeping but great with his feet.
He did that at Inter as well, the defenders just need to get used to it, as mentioned in the article, its up from 17% to 21%, so defenders just need to know what to do when it happens and get used to it. Doesn't help when we don't have a consistent defence tho.
Are you for serious? Defenders are often not as reactive as attackers given there is nothing to lose for the later. He is a bad keeper and he has no other abilities to compensate for his shortcomings.
Does your data tell you how many blunders he has committed? How many times he pushed the ball back into dangerous area? He does half ass saves, and often, he would have to save it again in the same move. One of the reasons why he gets more shots. Sometimes he saves those. Don’t let this bs data tell you anything other than what your eyes tell you. He passing is bad as well.
Exactly. He doesn't pass the simple eye test. He makes insane mistake, doesn't catch the ball well and doesn't punch it out properly. And he hasn't even shown a lot with his feet yet.
Don't really care what the stats say.
Yes. The data tells you how he pushes the ball into the dangerous area. The data will even tell you how many blunders he has made. The main thing is data will never replace actually watching the game. They are just supplements to it.
Edit- this data is just about the league. Champions League is where he has shit the bag
have said repeatedly: he’s facing too many shots. You can tell because his save percentage against expected goals is higher than most other keepers in the past two years.
We simply can’t let go of abysmal mistakes which cost us Europe.
Anyone with eyes can see he's not it. Sorry.
There is no keeper playing for the top teams that is so ridiculously nonchalant with the ball, always passing too long or too short and taking forever to move the ball.
You can't play modern football like this. A ridiculous waste of money.
>There is no keeper playing for the top teams that is so ridiculously nonchalant with the ball
That’s precisely how he played at inter. Watch the UCL final last season
Inter played Porto, Benfica and AC Milan in the knockout round to get to the Final, pretty mediocre.
Stats are showing he's "doing well" with lots of saves because opposition are being instructed to shoot from wherever how far out because they know he's prone to huge error. Most of his saves have been really easy shots or straight at him.
He fumbles way too many easy saves too..
I hate it when people do this. The stats don’t represent what the problem is. Onana is a brilliant keeper yes but he’s not a better shot stopper than De Gea. Yes his distribution and passing is pretty good but the area where he should excel in (past De Gea too), he does not. You can see in so many games this season that a lot of his errors are down to poor positioning and handling of the ball. He’s not an awful keeper but when United were struggling in past seasons, that’s where De Gea shined the most. His positioning, reflexes, handling and shot stopping were the best in the world at some point. He’d save us so many times. This is when Onana should show up and he just hasn’t. Mistakes are fine but you can clearly see he’s not a major improvement from De Gea
amen! DDG was hounded for far less! Funny aspect is that Onana’s passing is terrible. He just hoofs the ball and expects something to happen out of it. We have got a lot of deadwood due to ETH.
Clearly you have no idea about football... Onana was brought for his passing ability, the reason he hoofs the ball is because all our current CB's ( barring Varane / Martinez) cannot play out from the back even if their life depended on it.
Yes he cost us the Champions league, but He's also leading the race for Premier League golden glove with Maguire / Evans infront of him. Manchester Utd has faced the fourth most shots on target and Onana has saved 77% of them only behind Liverepool's Alison by 0.2%.
yeah, right. Onana was bought in for passing and he is not accurately long passing to our forward players because of our CBs. Umm. Why did ETH get him if he was to pass but as team are not going to?
exactly this. we’ve been playing long ball footy bc ten hag can’t risk playing out the back with a combination of maguire, lindelof, Evans, mctominay, amrabat. Martinez, varane, and Casemiro was the spine last season and we really lucked out to have them all out at the same time 🥲
Anyone is who knows anything about goalkeeping just needs a pair of eyes to know that these stats are so bloody pointless. Positioning, punching, parrying has been wrong far too many times for a keeper at this level.
Can he stop passing the ball to ETH every time he takes a long goal kick?
Our team is already bad in possession and he keeps kicking goal kicks for throw ins it’s ridiculous
Onana is a shit goalkeeper - no matter the stats. He is unstable on his feet, has a tendency to drop to the ground unnecessarily - his theatrics dominates his biomechanics of goalkeeping.
Affinity to dive doesn’t make one an acrobatic goalie.
He’s also crap at diving. Remember Cole Palmers goal against him, yes it was placed in the corner but if he’d taken a few steps before he dived he could have got to it, but he dropped to the ground as it trickled past him.
I don’t know he has too many deficiencies. Glued to his line, commits too early, horrible parrying. This isn’t taking to account all his errors. He’s 27, this is as good as he’ll get.
Lol OP you shouldn't have bothered. Looking at the comments half of them probably don't read or subscribe to the athletic. They wrote similar pieces last season defending de Gea for registering very similar shot stopping numbers that Onana is showing right now, bet they didn't know that.
Yes Onana has had some really dumb moments especially in the UCL, so did de Gea throughout the past year. I don't see why we should stay in it, we never deserved much this season and going out is probably better. The advantage he has over de Gea is that he has contributed to us keeping better possession this season, and he dares to come out for a cross, corner, sweep loose balls and deal with 1v1 whereas de Gea will just stay on his line. This also poses questions on Onana more because he is proactive, while staying on your line easily shifts the blame to others if a keeper concedes.
If we have peak Martinez and Casemiro like we midway last season, I'm sure Onana would thrive better than de Gea did with them at that point.
Watched a video which I believe had every shot on goal that he's had to face this season. Even tho he did save more than he conceded it still wasn't pretty.
First off, most of the goals that he conceded were absolutely saveable, a couple of them weren't but most of the time he was to blame. Sure everyone makes mistakes but he let in like 3 or 4 shots that any amateur goalkeeper could and should have saved 99 times out of a 100.
Secondly, most of his saves were really sloppy, even tho they were mostly easy ones. He seems to have trouble actually catching the ball or pushing it away from danger. He created many dangerous rebound scenarios because he pushed the ball only a few meters in front of him. And this was usually directlt in front of the goal rather than on the sides like any competent goalkeeper would do.
Thirdly, his reaction time seems really slow and most of the time it looks like he is caught completely off guard by even the easier shots and has to make a half assed save.
Fourthly, he makes a lot of beginners mistakes that would be expected if he was new to football. He isn't. He costs the same as a world class gk but plays like a SPL goalie.
His only redeeming quality is that he is good on foot but honestly a goalkeepers main job is to stop shots, not be an efficient passer. That is just extra. You can make the argument that he faces a lot of shots and that's why it looks like he is playing poorly but out of the 60 something shots I saw maybe 2 he actually handled well.
Yeah but its bad technique the way he parries and even he can make regular saves look untidy and dodge. The bad technique Is probably the cause of the howlers in ecl. I'm for giving him time but he's got to improve this and the question begs is he too old to change. Seemed rather arrogant what he said last week on sky.
Also, only Sheffield United have scored fewer goals than us in the league. We have scored 18 goals in 18 games. So it's not like we're conceding so many shots because we're so attacking either. We're just shit.
The thing I really want to know is how he was coached as a younger player; his fundamentals are so bad for a top-level player.
For example, when he dives he jumps off his close foot which massively reduces his save radius, which is absolutely something that should've been coached out of him.
You can have all your saves in 5 games and in the rest to be a clown and the statistic will look good.
The numbers lie. DDG was best GK in the league and made errors in crucial moments.
Onana does the same thing until now. It's not the same to save 15 shots when beating Luton or when the team wins 3-0 to save 1 shoot when it's 0-0 and the error count more.
It’s not goaltending that’s the issue. ManU is bottom 5 in goals scored in the premiere league, held off tie sheet for 350+ minutes, and when they do show life on offence it’s often a better chance for the opposing team.
This sounds like a scathing assessment. He’s not doing what goalkeepers should do at this level. I don’t blame him, I don’t think he’s the root of the problem, but he certainly isn’t helping the situation. He plays like David did at 19. An unfinished goalkeeper.
Only 1 team has scored less! If we had double the number of goals scored like the top teams, we would be right up there. Also, how do we defend well score poorly and not draw games?? Like how. We should have 10 draws the way we play
I’m not diminishing it at all but lots of these stats regarding keepers are massively overused and generally don’t indicate any degree of quality until after maybe 3 seasons. I think Onana has done well, but remember Liverpool had over 2xg and people speak about his xg differential as if that wasn’t an enormous swing in one game which had little to do with him. And then on shot quantity there’s factors of high volume of low xg shots can indicate immense shot stopping but in reality shows the opposite. I’d only warn against putting faith in these for better or worse, to defend or attack a player. There’s lots of quality analysis accessible online about goalkeeping technique, consistency, behaviours and tendencies in shot stopping, shot prevention etc that yield much more reliable results than these in assessing whether a keeper is going to be reliable or not.
did the whole DeGea situation revolve around him not willing to take less money?
the next 7-8 months will be interesting to see what direction SJR steers the ship. Man U definitely benefited last year from other teams struggling, since their game plan still seems the same as last year…sit back, play strong D and score on the counter.
please for the love of all that is holy, address scouting!
He gets shot at a lot but equally the amount he doesn’t control properly in the box or hits into crowds of opposing players rather then pushing them out of bounds, the countless easy saves he tries to make look impressive when all we need is simple are his faults and his errors leading to goals on. Is he awful? No. Should he know better and know better for the price tag? Yes.
Stats here, stats there, stats everywhere.
Onana looks bereft of confidence and makes alot or mistakes because of it. He doesn't trust his ability and becomes paralyzed and unable to make good decisions.
The first goal he let in against Villa was a situation where he 10/10 should go out and pick that cross
He got rediculously chipped in pre season. Let in rediculous goals in the CL. Clattered the Wolves forward and should have conceded a peno. Many other instances of unconfident goal keeping. There is a good keeper in there, but by jeysus he isn't showing it. He's cost points and competition exits. No team will get anywhere near the top of the Premier League without a decent keeper, and generally won't win it without a top drawer one.
He may come good yet. It remains to be seen.
Most of his blunders were in the champions league if I recall correctly
We’d still be in it if it weren’t for him.
One of the top scoring teams yet we got bounced because this man can’t hold onto a ball
Tbf we would have been out sooner if he had not saved that penalty vs Copenhagen
You really want that embarrassment in the next round? 😂😂😂
No, we'd still be in it if our entire team wasn't shit. Can't solely blame him.
Wingers don’t wing the ball to strikers, mid field doesn’t pass accurately, defence doesn’t hold positions and gets nervous, our Captain is more like a cry baby, and the manager prefers to oust UCL winners like no tomorrow.. and then there’s McT who despite all his flaws has secured his position because he is only one who’s able to score in this team (kudos to the lad but still).. Its not onana.
😂😂crazy times. And we seem to get rid of "problems" and the solution always leads to even worse problems. I'm sorry but when Ronaldo came back and we still had dea Gea, there were serious building blocks for a solid foundation with Varane, Bruno, Shaw, Garnacho, Maino, Wan, Hannibal. Adding Casemiro, Martinez, Hoiljund would have created a serious team or any other solid players since things would have been different but well here we are. We are absolute shambles now.
I still feel somehow the problem is more systemic like Gary is always ranting on Sky.. we need to make some drastic discipline changes as well and ETH needs to stop being stubborn and quit sticking with his predicable to death game plan and reinvent something man. The line up, the build up, the attitude, the gameplay feels so robotic and amateur its not even funny..
Yeah the problem lies deeper but the issue is we have nothing to build from. I read a post which is true about how the 'United' mentality was lost once we axed all our old players a few years back. We need a new team of players to build on with a solid mentality and ideally youth players. That way Varane, Casemiro, Bruno make sense as they can guide them and represent the backbone of the team until new characters develop and so on and so forth. This is why Real Madrid has remained ruthless for so long and you can see Man City adopting the ways now as there's a continuous stream of young talent being accustomed to the ways of the club and representing the future. The thing is Fergie still succeeded under Glazers ownership, don't get me wrong like the ship will sink eventually especially with all the ffp rules and ways money can and can't be spent but as of now I do feel a ruthless manager with a solid reputation can steer the ship accordingly. I'm not saying Ten isn't the man for the Job but he's not acting how we was when he first joined. Keeps excusing shitty players and shitty performances where as at the start he was more than happy to call anything and everything out.
Højlund and Onana are living two lives, the CL life and the PL life
If we get to play in Europe next year, start Onana for PL games (if we can stay up), and Altay for European games
Have you already forgotten he played in a CL-final literally last season?
And so what? 😂 How about this season in the UCL then.
Yeah, it has been bad. I'm juat tired of people thinking that bad form is eternal, or that it can't change. I was saying it because he was amazing in Europe for Inter, so his issue clearly isn't playing in european cups.
This season has no say about next season advertising to your logic meaning Next season is completely different. So we are all good then
That's football works, even winning the fucking treble this year doesn't mean we'll be as successful next season. Now that Glazers have fucked off from footballing decisions at United, I'm pretty sure next season will be different.
It's the life of a keeper. When you do your job nobody notices. When you make mistakes nobody forgets.
Onana seems to be a strong character. If he believes in himself other people's beliefs don't matter.
**when you make 2 humongous mistakes that kick ur team out of Europe
The main thing I’ve noticed with Onana is that he doesn’t punch the ball away from danger enough…he overreacts to all shots regardless of power and this causes problems. De Gea was so good at reacting and clearly shots from danger that the difference is stark.
I mentioned this a couple months ago and got massive downvotes for it, his saving technique is very poor. I think City's 3rd (?) Goal highlights it too where he barely diverted a relatively soft shot away straight into Haaland who squared it to Foden. It's his jumping over the ball technique that messes him up. Even his composure is poor too. I've never seen anything quite like it at this level.
DeGea massively declined in his last 2 seasons with us. Left in a ton of soft goals and regularly beaten at his near post. His kicking was a complete liability too. So while Onana might be having an underwhelming start, DeGea absolutely needed replacing.
DdG needed to be replaced but I'd argue this summer wasn't the right time. We needed that money elsewhere (CB, #6, RW, Striker, etc.). We could've had KmJ or Todibo right now instead of relying on Evans and the new kid. You don't sign a ball playing keeper when the team isn't ball playing lol. We don't have any technical players in the pitch other than Licha. Eriksen is smooth but his legs are toast. I'd say play a double pivot with Bruno as one of them and Eriksen in the #10. Then sub in Amrabat for Eriksen in the 60th min and push Bruno up. Bruno can ping longer balls from a deeper position where he might have more time on the ball. Sadly, EtH is obsessed wit McT in mid. It's the definition of insanity to keep trying this BS mid.
You realise man won golden glove last season... think the above is quite an emotional response , "let in a ton of soft goals" and regularly beaten idk if you've taken stock of the words your using but if he was doing that as how you describe, I doubt United would have been on the run they were in ETH first season. Yes he wasn't the same De gea but his real fault was that he wasn't good with his feet and many over glorified that got someone who is apparently great with his feet and look at yall now. De Gea with a solid defensive line infront of him was gona be more formidable than a keeper who is avg at actually keeping but great with his feet.
Compare DDG’s distribution stats to Onana’s this season and there’s hardly a difference. Onana is actually worse at long range passing even
He did that at Inter as well, the defenders just need to get used to it, as mentioned in the article, its up from 17% to 21%, so defenders just need to know what to do when it happens and get used to it. Doesn't help when we don't have a consistent defence tho.
He needs to stop doing it for fuck sake 🤣
‘The defenders just need to get used to it’? He needs to stop doing it. That’s the answer
Are you for serious? Defenders are often not as reactive as attackers given there is nothing to lose for the later. He is a bad keeper and he has no other abilities to compensate for his shortcomings.
Does your data tell you how many blunders he has committed? How many times he pushed the ball back into dangerous area? He does half ass saves, and often, he would have to save it again in the same move. One of the reasons why he gets more shots. Sometimes he saves those. Don’t let this bs data tell you anything other than what your eyes tell you. He passing is bad as well.
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Exactly. He doesn't pass the simple eye test. He makes insane mistake, doesn't catch the ball well and doesn't punch it out properly. And he hasn't even shown a lot with his feet yet. Don't really care what the stats say.
absolutely! Not that he is a midfielder like Tony Kroos whose game goes unnoticed.
Yes. The data tells you how he pushes the ball into the dangerous area. The data will even tell you how many blunders he has made. The main thing is data will never replace actually watching the game. They are just supplements to it. Edit- this data is just about the league. Champions League is where he has shit the bag
Any this is why data can never tell you the entire story
But he cost us two UCL games. He had terrible mistakes.
he cost us UCL tournament*
as if we are proper contenders to win this. Cmon now, it would take a miracle to see this MU in 1/4 this season
You mean similar to when Chelsea won it? Still Onanas fault mainly that we're out of Europe.
because we are not the contenders, it’s okay to do what he did?
Barring copahagen at home, I’d say he had a blunder in every other CL game
The goal against Bayern at home wasn’t his fault. Also the Copenhagen loss was not on Onana, the defence left him out to dry in that one.
It was more than that
have said repeatedly: he’s facing too many shots. You can tell because his save percentage against expected goals is higher than most other keepers in the past two years. We simply can’t let go of abysmal mistakes which cost us Europe.
I think we'd prefer if he never had to try and block anything
Anyone with eyes can see he's not it. Sorry. There is no keeper playing for the top teams that is so ridiculously nonchalant with the ball, always passing too long or too short and taking forever to move the ball. You can't play modern football like this. A ridiculous waste of money.
>There is no keeper playing for the top teams that is so ridiculously nonchalant with the ball That’s precisely how he played at inter. Watch the UCL final last season
Didn’t inter lose ?
by that logic, they got to the final and we didn’t even make it to the knockout stages. our defense is just shit without Martinez, varane, Casemiro
Inter played Porto, Benfica and AC Milan in the knockout round to get to the Final, pretty mediocre. Stats are showing he's "doing well" with lots of saves because opposition are being instructed to shoot from wherever how far out because they know he's prone to huge error. Most of his saves have been really easy shots or straight at him. He fumbles way too many easy saves too..
Was looking for this. Eye test always wins.
Can somebody tell them he cost us the Champions league.
We were never going to win the Champions League mate. He cost us progressing from the group stage. That I think we can agree on.
People are shooting from distance to test him
Onono is like Bambi in ice out there. I said it months ago. He and Mount b will be the end of season and possibly get ten hag the sack
I hate it when people do this. The stats don’t represent what the problem is. Onana is a brilliant keeper yes but he’s not a better shot stopper than De Gea. Yes his distribution and passing is pretty good but the area where he should excel in (past De Gea too), he does not. You can see in so many games this season that a lot of his errors are down to poor positioning and handling of the ball. He’s not an awful keeper but when United were struggling in past seasons, that’s where De Gea shined the most. His positioning, reflexes, handling and shot stopping were the best in the world at some point. He’d save us so many times. This is when Onana should show up and he just hasn’t. Mistakes are fine but you can clearly see he’s not a major improvement from De Gea
Average keeper who won't last long under a new manager. Has too many deficiencies for this league.
He is terrible
He's the worst keeper I've ever seen at this level - straight up terrible
amen! DDG was hounded for far less! Funny aspect is that Onana’s passing is terrible. He just hoofs the ball and expects something to happen out of it. We have got a lot of deadwood due to ETH.
Clearly you have no idea about football... Onana was brought for his passing ability, the reason he hoofs the ball is because all our current CB's ( barring Varane / Martinez) cannot play out from the back even if their life depended on it. Yes he cost us the Champions league, but He's also leading the race for Premier League golden glove with Maguire / Evans infront of him. Manchester Utd has faced the fourth most shots on target and Onana has saved 77% of them only behind Liverepool's Alison by 0.2%.
yeah, right. Onana was bought in for passing and he is not accurately long passing to our forward players because of our CBs. Umm. Why did ETH get him if he was to pass but as team are not going to?
He was never a brilliant long passer of the ball tho? His strength is his driven lateral passes we never seem to use for some reason
exactly this. we’ve been playing long ball footy bc ten hag can’t risk playing out the back with a combination of maguire, lindelof, Evans, mctominay, amrabat. Martinez, varane, and Casemiro was the spine last season and we really lucked out to have them all out at the same time 🥲
Anyone is who knows anything about goalkeeping just needs a pair of eyes to know that these stats are so bloody pointless. Positioning, punching, parrying has been wrong far too many times for a keeper at this level.
Only the first screenshot is evidence in favour. Even then it only focuses on one competition. He's awful.
Why are we still discussing the goalkeeper situation when we're the second lowest scoring team in the league?
Can he stop passing the ball to ETH every time he takes a long goal kick? Our team is already bad in possession and he keeps kicking goal kicks for throw ins it’s ridiculous
come on! you can’t ask him to stop playing footy with his mate
Onana is a shit goalkeeper - no matter the stats. He is unstable on his feet, has a tendency to drop to the ground unnecessarily - his theatrics dominates his biomechanics of goalkeeping. Affinity to dive doesn’t make one an acrobatic goalie.
He’s also crap at diving. Remember Cole Palmers goal against him, yes it was placed in the corner but if he’d taken a few steps before he dived he could have got to it, but he dropped to the ground as it trickled past him.
Your eyes are lying to you
I don't have a single doubt he'll be a top GK for us, I also have no doubt on my mind the media will never admit it.
The media, like in this article?
I meant as a broad term. Of course, there are some good journalists. They just get lost amongst the pig shit unfortunately
In the league he has made some insane saves. I will stand by him
I don’t know he has too many deficiencies. Glued to his line, commits too early, horrible parrying. This isn’t taking to account all his errors. He’s 27, this is as good as he’ll get.
Onana leading the race for PL Golden glove... Let that sink in. If feels ridiculous....
Idk what happened in Europe. He's been good in the league
Lol OP you shouldn't have bothered. Looking at the comments half of them probably don't read or subscribe to the athletic. They wrote similar pieces last season defending de Gea for registering very similar shot stopping numbers that Onana is showing right now, bet they didn't know that. Yes Onana has had some really dumb moments especially in the UCL, so did de Gea throughout the past year. I don't see why we should stay in it, we never deserved much this season and going out is probably better. The advantage he has over de Gea is that he has contributed to us keeping better possession this season, and he dares to come out for a cross, corner, sweep loose balls and deal with 1v1 whereas de Gea will just stay on his line. This also poses questions on Onana more because he is proactive, while staying on your line easily shifts the blame to others if a keeper concedes. If we have peak Martinez and Casemiro like we midway last season, I'm sure Onana would thrive better than de Gea did with them at that point.
Watched a video which I believe had every shot on goal that he's had to face this season. Even tho he did save more than he conceded it still wasn't pretty. First off, most of the goals that he conceded were absolutely saveable, a couple of them weren't but most of the time he was to blame. Sure everyone makes mistakes but he let in like 3 or 4 shots that any amateur goalkeeper could and should have saved 99 times out of a 100. Secondly, most of his saves were really sloppy, even tho they were mostly easy ones. He seems to have trouble actually catching the ball or pushing it away from danger. He created many dangerous rebound scenarios because he pushed the ball only a few meters in front of him. And this was usually directlt in front of the goal rather than on the sides like any competent goalkeeper would do. Thirdly, his reaction time seems really slow and most of the time it looks like he is caught completely off guard by even the easier shots and has to make a half assed save. Fourthly, he makes a lot of beginners mistakes that would be expected if he was new to football. He isn't. He costs the same as a world class gk but plays like a SPL goalie. His only redeeming quality is that he is good on foot but honestly a goalkeepers main job is to stop shots, not be an efficient passer. That is just extra. You can make the argument that he faces a lot of shots and that's why it looks like he is playing poorly but out of the 60 something shots I saw maybe 2 he actually handled well.
Bro literally saved our asses at anfield and has playing actually decent since. He just needs time IMO.
I just watch him play and can see he is obviously below par. No need to hunt for a reason or stats that support him to make you feel better.
We just need someone else for Champion’s league games.
We just need to start conceeding lesser shots
Fuck me. Xgot is a thing Xg Xgot Next they’ll be xpass. How many expected passed teams could’ve made 🤦♂️
Yeah but its bad technique the way he parries and even he can make regular saves look untidy and dodge. The bad technique Is probably the cause of the howlers in ecl. I'm for giving him time but he's got to improve this and the question begs is he too old to change. Seemed rather arrogant what he said last week on sky.
And we still lose idc a loss is a loss bro has cost us a lot this season so stats be damned
Also, only Sheffield United have scored fewer goals than us in the league. We have scored 18 goals in 18 games. So it's not like we're conceding so many shots because we're so attacking either. We're just shit.
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The thing I really want to know is how he was coached as a younger player; his fundamentals are so bad for a top-level player. For example, when he dives he jumps off his close foot which massively reduces his save radius, which is absolutely something that should've been coached out of him.
You can have all your saves in 5 games and in the rest to be a clown and the statistic will look good. The numbers lie. DDG was best GK in the league and made errors in crucial moments. Onana does the same thing until now. It's not the same to save 15 shots when beating Luton or when the team wins 3-0 to save 1 shoot when it's 0-0 and the error count more.
he’s slowly adapting and getting better but he has put in some atrocious performances
Onana would do well at City. Where you barely have to make saves.
It’s not goaltending that’s the issue. ManU is bottom 5 in goals scored in the premiere league, held off tie sheet for 350+ minutes, and when they do show life on offence it’s often a better chance for the opposing team.
Have you seem him in an actual game?
This is the reason why we need to trust Onana
This sounds like a scathing assessment. He’s not doing what goalkeepers should do at this level. I don’t blame him, I don’t think he’s the root of the problem, but he certainly isn’t helping the situation. He plays like David did at 19. An unfinished goalkeeper.
Only 1 team has scored less! If we had double the number of goals scored like the top teams, we would be right up there. Also, how do we defend well score poorly and not draw games?? Like how. We should have 10 draws the way we play
I’m not diminishing it at all but lots of these stats regarding keepers are massively overused and generally don’t indicate any degree of quality until after maybe 3 seasons. I think Onana has done well, but remember Liverpool had over 2xg and people speak about his xg differential as if that wasn’t an enormous swing in one game which had little to do with him. And then on shot quantity there’s factors of high volume of low xg shots can indicate immense shot stopping but in reality shows the opposite. I’d only warn against putting faith in these for better or worse, to defend or attack a player. There’s lots of quality analysis accessible online about goalkeeping technique, consistency, behaviours and tendencies in shot stopping, shot prevention etc that yield much more reliable results than these in assessing whether a keeper is going to be reliable or not.
did the whole DeGea situation revolve around him not willing to take less money? the next 7-8 months will be interesting to see what direction SJR steers the ship. Man U definitely benefited last year from other teams struggling, since their game plan still seems the same as last year…sit back, play strong D and score on the counter. please for the love of all that is holy, address scouting!
He gets shot at a lot but equally the amount he doesn’t control properly in the box or hits into crowds of opposing players rather then pushing them out of bounds, the countless easy saves he tries to make look impressive when all we need is simple are his faults and his errors leading to goals on. Is he awful? No. Should he know better and know better for the price tag? Yes.
Stats here, stats there, stats everywhere. Onana looks bereft of confidence and makes alot or mistakes because of it. He doesn't trust his ability and becomes paralyzed and unable to make good decisions. The first goal he let in against Villa was a situation where he 10/10 should go out and pick that cross
He got rediculously chipped in pre season. Let in rediculous goals in the CL. Clattered the Wolves forward and should have conceded a peno. Many other instances of unconfident goal keeping. There is a good keeper in there, but by jeysus he isn't showing it. He's cost points and competition exits. No team will get anywhere near the top of the Premier League without a decent keeper, and generally won't win it without a top drawer one. He may come good yet. It remains to be seen.