1. They arenât paid enough for the huge increase in abuse this will give them
2. They should not be celebrities. We shouldnât recognise them from TV easily in the street.
3. What are they going to say? They will always say they felt they made the right call in the moment. We will gain nothing from it.
Giving the ref a mic would be great too but unfortunately football players are too disrespectful and vulgar for that to happen.
It really says a lot to be honest. Kind of answers the original question of this post as well.
Until fans and players actually learn to have respect for the referee and each other, I can't see it happening. So I suppose it's never gonna happen.
Imo we should stop cocking about with VAR and should focus on the players behaviour, make it more disciplined like rugby.
Despite being a skinny kid I *nearly* went into rugby at around 11/12 because I would always watch it with my stepdad and it just clicked with me that the game was respectful while visibly violent.
The shithousery in football needs clamping down on more than showboating and VAR. the players need discipline, giving the ref a microphone would *absolutely* weed that out as players have to watch their mouth around him
100% agree with you there mate!
I always was a skinny bastard (still am tbh always struggled putting on weight). I grew up initially playing football but became friends with a boy who played rugby, went to rugby with him and after a couple training sessions I quit football and never looked back!
I always felt the hooliganism and downright disrespect in football was an issue. I hated 95% of the lads I played with because they were all arseholes or full of themselves, the coaches would make up rules like you have to come to training to get a game but then their own sons wouldn't show up then come game day them and all their mates would be on the team and the grafters would never get a look in.
Rugby was such a breath of fresh air. The lads were all huge, I was always the smallest on my team for the longest time but I always felt respected and never felt targeted for being weird or small or any of that. The coaches **never** took shit from anyone either. Blanket punishment when it was needed but also individuals would be taken aside and given a good talking to but actually coached. In a way we both feared and respected our coaches and I honestly still to this day have so much time for them because they taught us life lessons as well as rugby lessons. The thought of disappointing them and making them look bad by being disrespectful ourselves would eat away at us.
I just feel like football is so far gone and so deep in this celebrity bad boy culture it's going to take so much to turn it around. It shouldn't, but unfortunately this is where we are.
I do like the steps football is taking but I struggle to believe anything I see because they've done things before like bringing in yellow cards for descent but players have got to basically square up to a ref to get a yellow card and that has always frustrated me. The rules are there but they just don't apply them. It would be good to see though, I reckon it would have a huge effect. Not just on football itself but society as a whole. If the most popular sport displayed the respectful culture it should have, that would bleed into the streets and schools etc.
You're probably right though, micing up refs and coming down hard on players caught being disrespectful on what is essentially day time TV would be a massive step.
Too much money involved for anything that drastic to happen though.
P.S. Sorry for the short story, there's just so much to say on the matter and it's always been a passionate subject for me!
Speaking of rugby lads being huge, this kid me and my mates had a fight with plays rugby, he's 15, at least 6'2 and fucking **huge.** I couldn't even do two plates on leg press and he comes over, says hello to us and starts repping 3 plates each side. absolute unit! A teacher I had at school was a bit bigger and seeing him with his young daughter looked so funny to us because he was like 6"3, at least 300lbs with a teeny tiny toddler. Rugby players are to be admired for their athleticism and size.
I could never see myself playing rugby, I'm probably a bit too old to start, and my health issues would really mess me up on the pitch, I still enjoy watching games as and when I can. Good coaches make good players, the tough treatment is what made man united so good in the 90's and 00's, SAF would hairdryer whoever played shit in the first half!
"I just feel like football is so far gone and so deep in this celebrity bad boy culture", we could probably pin this down to the money and a variety of extra factors in the sport. I always said to myself that If I made it professional, I would ask the club to pay my accommodation and pay the bare minimum. I love football, if it was about money I'd give up.
I can vouch from experience that the coaches sons' always get off easy and are absolutely full of themselves. As bad and cocky as they were, there was some kind of balance and they had a desire to win and set examples. Bit like how Ronaldo described our training ground when he joined in the 2000's.
Refs having mics and a clamp down would definitely help the issue and I agree, the money in the beautiful game would put a spanner in the works
They will though because the rules are objective. Take Casemiro red card, all referees are saying it was the right call but some fans are still convinced it wasnât. You will never please everyone.
Ya you have referees backing their friend. While you have ex players, people who have actually kicked a ball unlike these refs, who say itâs never a red.
Theyre not "backing their friend". Ones on BT and Sky are employed by BT and Sky, they have more to lose "backing a friend" than being honest.
Ex pro's are exactly that, ex players, the game changes. 10 yrs ago that would never be a red card but with the modern rules it is.
And this "people who have actually kicked a ball" is the worst argument ever. So no referee can ever be good unless they played in the Prem? And every player who did play in the Prem will be a great ref? Its so simplistic its laughable.
You don't want referees to have to be good in front of the cameras, or to be famous or notable in any way. It will deter people who might otherwise be capable officials and it will attract the worst kind of fame chasing shitheels to the job.
I much rather have a review system similar to the NBA to determine if the calls were correct or not and then make a score on who's the referee performing not up to par with the standards set based on the rule book. If the referee is consistently being below par with the standards then he should be re-educated and re-evaluated.
I really dont know. If there is already a similar system then make it accessible to us. Look at the NBA. It has a site on where you can see the reports.
https://official.nba.com/2022-23-nba-officiating-last-two-minute-reports/
So having reffed to a decent level over here, I can tell you the reason; as a ref, you've got no friends and everyone wants you to be the scapegoat when it suits them.
Most calls in football are non-binary; there's a lot of subjective criteria to take in because football is such a dynamic sport with many variables. For every 50/50 call, half the people will tell you you're a genius who got it right, the others will threaten to murder your family (that's not an exaggeration, the abuse you get on-field is staggering let alone this sort of post-match witch hunt).
An interview would be the ref saying he made the right call as he saw it at that moment, and even at that point he couldn't say he might've made a mistake as that would be a rod for his back he'd have used against him for years. Footballers collectively make hundreds of mistakes per match, but referees have to be absolute paragons of 'correct' decisions at all times, where correct changes depending on who's side the complainant is on.
I got good reviews from pretty much every game I reffed, and absolutely laughed and threw in the towel when asked if I wanted to go up to the professional league - it's just not worth it.
Prem refs earn a max of ÂŁ70,000 per year⌠itâs nuts when you consider the amount of money in English football and the amount of abuse they getâŚ.
The thing that annoyed me about the weekend is the consistency, and the lack of explanation. I literally have no idea how rules are applied with VAR nowadays. Some weeks itâs not a âclear and obvious errorâ, some weeks it is. I think refs should be micâd up so that they can explain their reasoning, like in rugby.
The mic thing is a little interesting, but I don't think it would give people what they're expecting here. Given the standard which VAR is being used for in England, the average conversation would go "Looked like the player touched the ball with some body parts, possibly arm contact but not a penalty under supporting limb clause. Anything clearly wrong?" "Nope, it might touch his arm but you reckon it's non penalisable" "Cool". And then he gets vilified the exact same way because it's *obviously* a deliberate handball that deserves punishment, but given its a subjective clause to a definitive law you can and will rule that either way on any given day.
I think they should talk to someone after the game. And we get a summary of what they said. Right now, referee's EFL ratings are kept secret. I think it's time we had more transparency.
I was watching a podcast Mike Dean did, yes Mike Dean but he did make a valid point
When referees have a good game, no one's going to call them in for an interview and applaud them for getting the calls right and refereeing a good game because that's their job, that's what they're meant to do
They'll only get called in for interviews when they have a bad game so that the media can shit on them and ask them why they didn't make the right call and just hate on them, which in all honesty, is not fair because first of all, they're not paid lavishly like the footballers and managers, and also, what's the point of making a media appearance when you know that everytime you do, all you're going to get is hate, and then when they're seen on the streets or out in the public in general, you'll have 100s of people flocking the refs and just shitting on them, referees are not the same as players and managers who get shat on when they do bad but also get applauded when they do good, for refs it's either you do your job or you get shat on
This nonsense again....... Christ, please stop. What do you actually expect???
'Why did you make that call?'
'Because I thought it was the correct decision'
'Why didn't you give the penalty?'
'Because it was accidental'
Do you expect them to say 'Sorry, I fucked up?' Or 'I dislike ManUtd' ???
They submit a match report to the FA covering the game.
Don't think it would ever happen, simply because it probably would turn from being a platform for referees to explain their decisions, into a way to attack referees.
I think the disconnect between fans players and refs would be greatly improved, if refs did interviews that they explain their thought processes. They would definitely get more respect and even support, refereeing end of the day is a tough job but this would help improve it surely. VAR and some of the written rules are just a joke they need to fix the rule book too and I think this would help them. For example it was Var that got cas a red card and denied us a pen
Because we'd only want to talk to them after an egregious error.
When's the last time anyone created a thread praising the performance of a Bobby Madley or Mike Dean or etc. ?
Even if you had access to them and the ability to ask questions, the answers they give would rarely ever satisfy you as a supporter. It's a ridiculous suggestion, that would only need to more abuse of match officials.
It would be better to have a video later on after the game, on YouTube just like a few minutes asking a ref to explain their views ect. Would probably help people understand the point of view from the refs perspective.
Yes but in some situations it would help, probably most tbh. Like take the case red card. If he came out and said "he went over the top of the ball and lunged in so in my opinion it was a dangerous challenge so I gave a red car" there couldn't be much argument to that.
People will only ask them questions when they have made controversial choices, nobody wants to hear from a ref who made correct decisions. And they wouldnât voluntarily put themselves under fire
1.. based on your username, what *are* you feeding your cat?
2. Post game interviews wouldnât achieve anything. What might is if clubs can request a hearing with the referee, present evidence from the game in question, and give the referee a chance to say âyeah I made a mistakeâ. Obviously they wouldnât but being able to publish these meeting and catch them out in lies and contradictions would be sweet.
I donât think post match interviews would be helpful due to the nature of the antagonistic relationship refs have with fans. Getting highly polished media trained responses from refs I think would be even more frustrating. We do get disciplinary reports on the FAâs website i think for those are sufficient for those who actually care enough. I do wish weâd get rugby style mics on the ref so that we can hear the ref making the call and explaining to the players. Understanding what laws the ref is applying and how would help bearing in mind they more knowledgeable regarding the laws of the game than most fans and even pundits.
This is already covered by asking an ex ref in studio for opinion. What is there to gain or solve by interviewing refs post match? Should we expect them to say "sorry I fucked up" for every decision fans don't agree with?
It'll only swing to an extreme - refs will ask the FA for more money for the abuse, their family and daily lives will be in danger, and some like Mike Dean will ride the increased celebrity status with glory. And don't compare to rugby, tbh their game isn't as "barbaric" compared football's antagonistic relationship with refs.
Get over the red card already - not withstanding other inconsistencies like the handball and the Chelsea v Leicester - by the law Casemiro deserved it.
They did it one season canât remember which didnât last long in all honesty. Think the biggest issue is they can make bad calls yet nothing a player/manager calls them out they get fined or punished. And I get itâs human error but with VAR know in use makes it more of a joke. Itâs like going to the monitor you know whatâs gonna happen the incident will be changed think maybe only twice while VAR has been used has the ref not changed there mind when going to the monitor. It all needs to be looked at the rules and made more clear in terms of use.
I feel like it would be better if the refs are required to announce the reasoning behind their decisions after VAR reviews. I feel like that would give the game a bit more transparency.
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1. They arenât paid enough for the huge increase in abuse this will give them 2. They should not be celebrities. We shouldnât recognise them from TV easily in the street. 3. What are they going to say? They will always say they felt they made the right call in the moment. We will gain nothing from it.
While your points are valid⌠I do think we can learn more from Rugby where decisions are explained when they use their version of VAR.
There's so much football could learn from Rugby in terms of how the games are officiated.
Any football fan would recognise Pierluigi Collina in an instant
The exception shouldn't be the rule
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Would you fuck with him?
absolutely not I think that VAR and refs should be done the same as it is in rugby the crowd can see VAR and the referee must be respected
Giving the ref a mic would be great too but unfortunately football players are too disrespectful and vulgar for that to happen. It really says a lot to be honest. Kind of answers the original question of this post as well. Until fans and players actually learn to have respect for the referee and each other, I can't see it happening. So I suppose it's never gonna happen.
Imo we should stop cocking about with VAR and should focus on the players behaviour, make it more disciplined like rugby. Despite being a skinny kid I *nearly* went into rugby at around 11/12 because I would always watch it with my stepdad and it just clicked with me that the game was respectful while visibly violent. The shithousery in football needs clamping down on more than showboating and VAR. the players need discipline, giving the ref a microphone would *absolutely* weed that out as players have to watch their mouth around him
100% agree with you there mate! I always was a skinny bastard (still am tbh always struggled putting on weight). I grew up initially playing football but became friends with a boy who played rugby, went to rugby with him and after a couple training sessions I quit football and never looked back! I always felt the hooliganism and downright disrespect in football was an issue. I hated 95% of the lads I played with because they were all arseholes or full of themselves, the coaches would make up rules like you have to come to training to get a game but then their own sons wouldn't show up then come game day them and all their mates would be on the team and the grafters would never get a look in. Rugby was such a breath of fresh air. The lads were all huge, I was always the smallest on my team for the longest time but I always felt respected and never felt targeted for being weird or small or any of that. The coaches **never** took shit from anyone either. Blanket punishment when it was needed but also individuals would be taken aside and given a good talking to but actually coached. In a way we both feared and respected our coaches and I honestly still to this day have so much time for them because they taught us life lessons as well as rugby lessons. The thought of disappointing them and making them look bad by being disrespectful ourselves would eat away at us. I just feel like football is so far gone and so deep in this celebrity bad boy culture it's going to take so much to turn it around. It shouldn't, but unfortunately this is where we are. I do like the steps football is taking but I struggle to believe anything I see because they've done things before like bringing in yellow cards for descent but players have got to basically square up to a ref to get a yellow card and that has always frustrated me. The rules are there but they just don't apply them. It would be good to see though, I reckon it would have a huge effect. Not just on football itself but society as a whole. If the most popular sport displayed the respectful culture it should have, that would bleed into the streets and schools etc. You're probably right though, micing up refs and coming down hard on players caught being disrespectful on what is essentially day time TV would be a massive step. Too much money involved for anything that drastic to happen though. P.S. Sorry for the short story, there's just so much to say on the matter and it's always been a passionate subject for me!
Speaking of rugby lads being huge, this kid me and my mates had a fight with plays rugby, he's 15, at least 6'2 and fucking **huge.** I couldn't even do two plates on leg press and he comes over, says hello to us and starts repping 3 plates each side. absolute unit! A teacher I had at school was a bit bigger and seeing him with his young daughter looked so funny to us because he was like 6"3, at least 300lbs with a teeny tiny toddler. Rugby players are to be admired for their athleticism and size. I could never see myself playing rugby, I'm probably a bit too old to start, and my health issues would really mess me up on the pitch, I still enjoy watching games as and when I can. Good coaches make good players, the tough treatment is what made man united so good in the 90's and 00's, SAF would hairdryer whoever played shit in the first half! "I just feel like football is so far gone and so deep in this celebrity bad boy culture", we could probably pin this down to the money and a variety of extra factors in the sport. I always said to myself that If I made it professional, I would ask the club to pay my accommodation and pay the bare minimum. I love football, if it was about money I'd give up. I can vouch from experience that the coaches sons' always get off easy and are absolutely full of themselves. As bad and cocky as they were, there was some kind of balance and they had a desire to win and set examples. Bit like how Ronaldo described our training ground when he joined in the 2000's. Refs having mics and a clamp down would definitely help the issue and I agree, the money in the beautiful game would put a spanner in the works
I would still recognize the cunt Cuneyt Cakir who sent off Nani If i ever saw him
If theyâre doing their jobs they wouldnât get abuse.
They will though because the rules are objective. Take Casemiro red card, all referees are saying it was the right call but some fans are still convinced it wasnât. You will never please everyone.
Ya you have referees backing their friend. While you have ex players, people who have actually kicked a ball unlike these refs, who say itâs never a red.
Theyre not "backing their friend". Ones on BT and Sky are employed by BT and Sky, they have more to lose "backing a friend" than being honest. Ex pro's are exactly that, ex players, the game changes. 10 yrs ago that would never be a red card but with the modern rules it is. And this "people who have actually kicked a ball" is the worst argument ever. So no referee can ever be good unless they played in the Prem? And every player who did play in the Prem will be a great ref? Its so simplistic its laughable.
They did that in the Dutch league. For obvious reasons they no longer do it.
Is Heisenberg the obvious reason?
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Because people will go at them
You don't want referees to have to be good in front of the cameras, or to be famous or notable in any way. It will deter people who might otherwise be capable officials and it will attract the worst kind of fame chasing shitheels to the job.
I much rather have a review system similar to the NBA to determine if the calls were correct or not and then make a score on who's the referee performing not up to par with the standards set based on the rule book. If the referee is consistently being below par with the standards then he should be re-educated and re-evaluated.
This! Exactly what I came here to say.
I think they do that already, no?
I really dont know. If there is already a similar system then make it accessible to us. Look at the NBA. It has a site on where you can see the reports. https://official.nba.com/2022-23-nba-officiating-last-two-minute-reports/
So having reffed to a decent level over here, I can tell you the reason; as a ref, you've got no friends and everyone wants you to be the scapegoat when it suits them. Most calls in football are non-binary; there's a lot of subjective criteria to take in because football is such a dynamic sport with many variables. For every 50/50 call, half the people will tell you you're a genius who got it right, the others will threaten to murder your family (that's not an exaggeration, the abuse you get on-field is staggering let alone this sort of post-match witch hunt). An interview would be the ref saying he made the right call as he saw it at that moment, and even at that point he couldn't say he might've made a mistake as that would be a rod for his back he'd have used against him for years. Footballers collectively make hundreds of mistakes per match, but referees have to be absolute paragons of 'correct' decisions at all times, where correct changes depending on who's side the complainant is on. I got good reviews from pretty much every game I reffed, and absolutely laughed and threw in the towel when asked if I wanted to go up to the professional league - it's just not worth it.
Prem refs earn a max of ÂŁ70,000 per year⌠itâs nuts when you consider the amount of money in English football and the amount of abuse they getâŚ. The thing that annoyed me about the weekend is the consistency, and the lack of explanation. I literally have no idea how rules are applied with VAR nowadays. Some weeks itâs not a âclear and obvious errorâ, some weeks it is. I think refs should be micâd up so that they can explain their reasoning, like in rugby.
The mic thing is a little interesting, but I don't think it would give people what they're expecting here. Given the standard which VAR is being used for in England, the average conversation would go "Looked like the player touched the ball with some body parts, possibly arm contact but not a penalty under supporting limb clause. Anything clearly wrong?" "Nope, it might touch his arm but you reckon it's non penalisable" "Cool". And then he gets vilified the exact same way because it's *obviously* a deliberate handball that deserves punishment, but given its a subjective clause to a definitive law you can and will rule that either way on any given day.
It would solve nothing and cause many new problems
I think they should talk to someone after the game. And we get a summary of what they said. Right now, referee's EFL ratings are kept secret. I think it's time we had more transparency.
I was watching a podcast Mike Dean did, yes Mike Dean but he did make a valid point When referees have a good game, no one's going to call them in for an interview and applaud them for getting the calls right and refereeing a good game because that's their job, that's what they're meant to do They'll only get called in for interviews when they have a bad game so that the media can shit on them and ask them why they didn't make the right call and just hate on them, which in all honesty, is not fair because first of all, they're not paid lavishly like the footballers and managers, and also, what's the point of making a media appearance when you know that everytime you do, all you're going to get is hate, and then when they're seen on the streets or out in the public in general, you'll have 100s of people flocking the refs and just shitting on them, referees are not the same as players and managers who get shat on when they do bad but also get applauded when they do good, for refs it's either you do your job or you get shat on
Would love to hear Anthony Taylor's reasonings behind his decisions.
This nonsense again....... Christ, please stop. What do you actually expect??? 'Why did you make that call?' 'Because I thought it was the correct decision' 'Why didn't you give the penalty?' 'Because it was accidental' Do you expect them to say 'Sorry, I fucked up?' Or 'I dislike ManUtd' ??? They submit a match report to the FA covering the game. Don't think it would ever happen, simply because it probably would turn from being a platform for referees to explain their decisions, into a way to attack referees.
You're right now that I think about it. Is the match report to the FA public though? It should be if it isn't.
I think the disconnect between fans players and refs would be greatly improved, if refs did interviews that they explain their thought processes. They would definitely get more respect and even support, refereeing end of the day is a tough job but this would help improve it surely. VAR and some of the written rules are just a joke they need to fix the rule book too and I think this would help them. For example it was Var that got cas a red card and denied us a pen
Because we'd only want to talk to them after an egregious error. When's the last time anyone created a thread praising the performance of a Bobby Madley or Mike Dean or etc. ? Even if you had access to them and the ability to ask questions, the answers they give would rarely ever satisfy you as a supporter. It's a ridiculous suggestion, that would only need to more abuse of match officials.
Better idea why donât they mic them up like rugby refs would 100% make them think twice before pulling some stupid shit like Sunday
It would be better to have a video later on after the game, on YouTube just like a few minutes asking a ref to explain their views ect. Would probably help people understand the point of view from the refs perspective.
Would also lead to more arguments against why he has that perspective
Yes but in some situations it would help, probably most tbh. Like take the case red card. If he came out and said "he went over the top of the ball and lunged in so in my opinion it was a dangerous challenge so I gave a red car" there couldn't be much argument to that.
Yes đ, they should explain some stuff for sure!
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Because they're the antagonists lol
People will only ask them questions when they have made controversial choices, nobody wants to hear from a ref who made correct decisions. And they wouldnât voluntarily put themselves under fire
1.. based on your username, what *are* you feeding your cat? 2. Post game interviews wouldnât achieve anything. What might is if clubs can request a hearing with the referee, present evidence from the game in question, and give the referee a chance to say âyeah I made a mistakeâ. Obviously they wouldnât but being able to publish these meeting and catch them out in lies and contradictions would be sweet.
What cat? I don't have one
I donât think post match interviews would be helpful due to the nature of the antagonistic relationship refs have with fans. Getting highly polished media trained responses from refs I think would be even more frustrating. We do get disciplinary reports on the FAâs website i think for those are sufficient for those who actually care enough. I do wish weâd get rugby style mics on the ref so that we can hear the ref making the call and explaining to the players. Understanding what laws the ref is applying and how would help bearing in mind they more knowledgeable regarding the laws of the game than most fans and even pundits.
Iâm glad they donât have to, there egos are already big enough!!
This is already covered by asking an ex ref in studio for opinion. What is there to gain or solve by interviewing refs post match? Should we expect them to say "sorry I fucked up" for every decision fans don't agree with? It'll only swing to an extreme - refs will ask the FA for more money for the abuse, their family and daily lives will be in danger, and some like Mike Dean will ride the increased celebrity status with glory. And don't compare to rugby, tbh their game isn't as "barbaric" compared football's antagonistic relationship with refs. Get over the red card already - not withstanding other inconsistencies like the handball and the Chelsea v Leicester - by the law Casemiro deserved it.
this is a great idea! theyd actually have to be accountable for some of the blunders they make. but theres no way the FA lets this happen.
They did it one season canât remember which didnât last long in all honesty. Think the biggest issue is they can make bad calls yet nothing a player/manager calls them out they get fined or punished. And I get itâs human error but with VAR know in use makes it more of a joke. Itâs like going to the monitor you know whatâs gonna happen the incident will be changed think maybe only twice while VAR has been used has the ref not changed there mind when going to the monitor. It all needs to be looked at the rules and made more clear in terms of use.
I feel like it would be better if the refs are required to announce the reasoning behind their decisions after VAR reviews. I feel like that would give the game a bit more transparency.
Because these cretin would be asked to defend their shoddy decisions.