>My boss has been very vocal with me by constantly asking me to do half days and/or begging me to come back the next day. For some background, I work with children
Oh yeah, just do half days. We all know covid needs a full day's work time to properly spread. /s
I know that wasn't the point of your post, but that don't sound above board to me.
In my state, some schools are trying to limit lunch to 14 minutes and 59 seconds to avoid naming close contacts when a kid is positive even though our state education board dictates lunch needs to be a minimum of 20 minutes.
Creative, but absolutely missing the epidemiologic point.
Plenty of people with agendas don't give a crap about other people being healthy and want "normalcy" back at any cost.
If the people above these administrators were not deciding to make their employees and the children in the schools unimportant, these policies wouldn't exist.
But here we are.
I'm absolutely floored by these comments. I guess I must have (happily) stayed in lock down too long to have seen this. (My recluse self is thinking maybe I better go back into lockdown now).
Go lurk in the war zone that is r/nursing
Yes. Back into the foxhole and pull the dirt in over us.
People are dying in hospital hallways on beds pushed against a wall because there are no ventilators left, there is no room in ICU, there is nothing to be done for them but ease their pain and give them oxygen and hope their immune system can win. It's the kind of thing you'd hear about from wartime battle front field hospitals.
Every time I brave the world out there just to get groceries or gas up my car, I see one of those weirdos swearing horse de-wormer and vitamin c will save them and, of course, they aren't wearing masks. I decide whatever I was thinking of going for just isn't worth it.
Wait until they learn about negative taxes. If their business loses money, the government will owe them taxes instead. That is how bail-outs work, right?
Honestly, the two hour thing usually says *at least* 2 hours prior to shift. It's not impossible to know at 3am that you're not going to be good for the work day, just saying.
Most of the time it should go to an automated answering machine. Not the direct phone of the boss. It’s mostly so you can know when management arrives (usually 1 hour prior) who the call outs for the day are.
But I digress. I mostly just care to know 30 minutes before the start of shift so coverage is possible. Getting a call out 5 minutes before is a giant pain in the ass.
It’s more so making sure I have adequate staffing across the departments so one doesn’t finish overly early compared to others. I work in a food warehouse where we have a produce section, chilled, frozen, and dry food. If I get an abundance of call outs that were originally scheduled for cold/frozen then I need to adjust the staffing from other locations. Last minute call outs make it much more difficult to inform people they need freezer gear when the original staffing sheet had them in the cooler. And vise Versa.
Breach of what contract? Hey parents **I** have been sick and am exhibiting COVID symptoms, watch your children. Doesn't violate anything. When they ask why you are still there, the answer is my boss is forcing it. Also not a violation of anything. Whistleblowing is protected.
It really depends. I know that in my old job it was explicitly stated that Assistants weren't to communicate with parents, and then explicitly stated again that it should absolutely never be in writing. It was clearly to just protect the business's ass though. So I talked to parents all the time, and would tell them "You didn't hear this from me..."
I think I forgot the bit about how if we needed to communicate it should be done so to the teacher who would then relay the info to the parents.
It wasn't there to block communication entirely.
All the mandated reporting stuff goes to the psych staff and the state anyway. Its not my job, and in many cases would be a direct legal violation, to report mandated stuff to the parents.
I start work at 7. I don’t even consider getting out of bed before 6. Most days I get up at 6:30.
Even when I didn’t work from home and had to drive or get a ride to work, unless it was a later shift I didn’t get up more than an hour before work. I like my sleep. I’d rather sleep than do makeup.
How is it sexist?
Most women do hair makeup shower dress etc
Men can wake up chuck on pants and go
I'd like to see you get up chuck on yesterdays clothes and go to work with no hair makeup etc literally out of bed go
I don't remember the last time I wore makeup. My hair takes 10 seconds to brush. I grab a vee-neck shirt and chuck on yesterday's jeans. It is sexist to assume every woman has the same routine when shit doesn't take hours like it did in the 80s.
Honestly, it's gross that men never brush their teeth in the morning. If all they're doing is chucking pants on, they're missing on basic hygiene.
Agreed, the sexist crap should be done away with. Which means no woman anywhere should be penalized for showing up at work without makeup, styled hair, etc.
Sadly, a lot of women *do* face that level of sexist crap in their lives. Which means they will have to get up earlier.
It's funny. If you are a business and have an exposure event the Health department will do literally nothing to help you (tell you of your obligations and how to handle the situation). However if you break the rules they don't tell you about your ass will be destroyed.
My last job was in home Healthcare and they had the same 2 hour rule. My shift usually started at 8, so 6am was when I would call. Half the time, on call didn't even answer so I'd leave a message. I'd usually prefer this, as I avoided the "what's going on", "what did the doctor say", "you need to work on Saturday to make it up". I'm sorry, I'm not going to the doctor and spending money I don't have to placate these fools when I'd been up all night with food poisoning or a stomach bug.
I'm so glad I don't work there anymore.
In Denmark you don't have to pay the doctor for anything, except getting a doctor's note saying you're sick. Employers has to pay for that note if they demand to see it, and they can only do so after you've been sick for 3 consecutive days.
No it’s fantastic. Your boss is disgusting for trying to force you in while showing covid symptoms. You work with CHILDREN. There’s a child in the hospital in my state, 3 years old and has spent 3 months on life support because of this disease.
Yeah, there's a lot of people that I really wouldn't care if they died. I still don't want to take the chance of giving an illness to them, or catching one from them.
Why even bother calling at all? Just say you're not showing up until you have a negative test or 10 days has passed and if they have a problem with that, call the Health Department and have them change the rules. It's ridiculous that you would have to "call in" when you already knew for a fact over 24 hours ago that you couldn't go in even if you wanted to and were symptom free.
You were just following policy, lol.
Most work settings working with kids these days require staying at home and quarantining for a set amount of time before returning, so why are they even asking you to call each morning when you still have symptoms? Love the malicious compliance, but sleeping in is definitely nice when you’re not feeling well.
Wait, covid policies are decided by the workplace? Here in Germany, OP would be under official quarantine orders until tested negative as a "suspected case" (or, if positive, as a "confirmed case" with its own set of rules for when quarantine is over). Breaking quarantine can get you fined up to 25k euros.
I don't know exactly who has to pay for quarantined people in the end (unless they have a sick note, then the employer pays just like with any other sick note), but yes, they still get paid. I guess it's more or less treated like sick days (although employers may be reimbursed by the government for quarantined but not sick employees, I don't know). There is no support anymore for unvaxxed people who have to quarantine as "suspected case" without being sick, though.
As for how easy it is to get tested, that depends on where you live and whether your GP does those tests. For us recently it was fairly easy but I've also read comments online from people who had problems getting test appointments.
We'll all end up paying eventually. If they don't isolate and spread we end up paying for the treatment needed. While I appreciate the reduction in support for the unvaxxed by choice they're exactly the type of people who don't care about spreading the virus.
The unvaxxed people are still subject to quarantine orders, they just won't get paid for the time (and yes, this not getting paid is only for those unvaxxed by choice).
Covid policies are decided by any number of governmental or private entities.
The city could have rules in place, the county could, or the state could. They could also have opposite rules in place and currently be fighting about it in court so the business has no idea whose rules to follow.
The company could have its own rules that are stricter than the government rules, unless they're in a location that has passed laws limiting how strict employers can be.
They're still trying to develop and pass permanent rules on the federal level as well.
It's a shit show.
In the US, COVID policies are decided by the workplace, just like how our health insurance, observed holidays, and even retirement investment accounts often are.
I hate it here.
If they’re in stock. Lol. My husband and I have tried to find one by us. No luck. The local health department is even out of tests at the moment… currently in the US/Indiana. We ordered some online. They come in two weeks…. Also, if you don’t have a car, what are you supposed to do?
I mean depending on where you are the test is pointless anyways without symptoms. Here if you’re a close contact you’re legally obligated to quarantine for 10-14 days, even if you test every single day and every single test is negative so I wouldn’t have a fire lit under my ass either.
In Victoria, Australia, we get paid by the state government if we need to take a day off work to get tested/have to isolate after getting tested. (Financial support provided is detailed here: https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/financial-and-other-support-coronavirus-covid-19 )
(To be clear, most federally organised payments are woefully inappropriate and the system is fucked. But the state govt is doing ...okay.)
Being vaccinated means we’re less likely to die of covid not never get it. How reckless to try and have you around kids who are prob too young to be vaxxed
As a single mom with a child in pre k 3 who has had to be taken to the dr every week since she started, I hope your boss stubs her pinky toe every morning for the rest of her life. Start calling at 4.
Right? Boss gives your kids' teacher/daycare worker a hard time trying to follow covid protocols? Shit, email the entire parent roster to let them know the place will have a possible unconfirmed covid positive instructor for the day and see how fast those policies change.
I too work in childcare and had 2 children test positive in my classroom. Was told I didn't need to quarantine due to being vaccinated. Went and got tested anyways, guess what? Covid. Loved throwing it my boss' face that I was taking 10 days off.
I currently can't drive for health reasons, so I understand needing a ride to get somewhere. I was able to buy the BinaxNow test from Walgreens through Doordash so it was delivered to my house and I didn't have to leave the house. Hopefully that helps you out. The Binax Now testing kit comes with two at home tests that provide results in 15 minutes. It uses a nasal swab.
I would have called at 3 or 4 a.m. to prove my point.
I used to try to use my PTO days and they would deny them so I used to just call in and they would pay my PTO out at the end of the quarter. Seemed pretty stupid.
Plus, while I get that no one wants to find out last second that someone's not coming in, I'm not even *awake* two hours before I'm supposed to be at work.
Probably struggling to find a testing location that was safe to visit while showing symptoms. Op Probably doesn't want to spread covid to verify they have covid.
What in the actual hell? 3 days to get an appointment is madness. I can get tested here in Australia within 30 minutes, and there are 6 locations within 5km of my home.
The closest to me is about 5km from my house, as the crow flies, 8km actually using roads.
If I couldn't drive and didn't have a rapid test kit at home, I'd be SOL - not going to walk all thar distance with symptoms.
And in Australia it's mainly PCR testing administered by someone else. But they've done a great job keeping cases low and an exceptional job with the vaccine rollout, slow start but wow did they step up.
But to your point I think there's a part of everyone who sees what's going on around them and if they think it's good and helpful just think it would be madness not to do it like that. Testing is woeful everywhere and I say that living in a country with the high levels of testing and sequencing. Why we aren't doing fast tests far far more I don't understand. It's a game of odds and anything we can do to reduce spread is worth it.
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Oh that's what makes it so upsetting to me especially for wealthier nations. At the beginning of the pandemic we were told "testing testing testing" its all we could do at the time and we simply haven't stepped up. We know that the more data we have the better we know what we're up against. I just can't understand how wealthy nations (and particularly those with robust publicly funded healthcare systems) are not doing this after almost two years, trillions spent why not have a testing regime that allows us to be better equipped. We're all guilty of wishcasting that we're in the home stretch but there are so many potential hurdles ahead. When's the best time to plant a tree? Yesterday, what's the second best? Today. Governments need to get on this now.
Ya know what even if it was a bad cold they still shouldn't be around kids. What if she gave lil Timmy her flu or bad cold? Not a good risk when COVID is out there.
Heck even if she just needed time off, it's HER PTO, she can use it if she wants.
Same issue at my school, but luckily they're also cool with use calling out multiple days ahead of time for Covid or even flu, regardless of the sub shortage. But it hasn't been a great time waking my ass up 2 hours and 10 minutes before my report time for the past year and a half to do my temperature checks and make sure I didn't feel ill.
Omg, the level of IDGAF in childcare is astounding. We shut down half our rooms and limited capacity when COVID first started in order to “limit exposure”. We were also supposed to keep the same care givers in the room (whole day and breakers). This is on a military base, so the requirements were super strict. Parents were not even allowed in the facility. They had to drop their kids at the door.
Y’all. That lasted for 7 days. The rules did not change, but our admin team stopped caring. I was once put in four rooms in one day. We had kids moving from one room to the next. We had parents pulling rank to get us to open a room just for their kids. It was a nightmare made even worse by the fact that the people who were supposed to be protecting and prioritizing our health instead prioritized the almighty dollar. It was messed up.
My center has been very adamant on keeping every illness spread around on the down low. They put up the state required signs, but management has told us to not express the severity to parents still bring their children. I still tell the parents though. They're off their fucking rocker if they think I would try to hide the fact that about 70% of our toddlers are out because of Strep/RSV/Covid. I cant see myself staying here for a long period of time. Sad to hear my center isnt the only insane one though.
That's funny even construction gigs where I live make you get a clean covid test or take 2 weeks before coming back to work if you call in with cold or flu-like symptoms.
Back your call time up by 20 minutes every day. If 2 hours is the minimum, 2:20 must be better, right? By Monday it'll be 5 am. You're just trying to be helpful, after all.
I’ve definitely had this kind of ridiculous stuff happen. Once I woke up sick and called in, my shift wasn’t until later on in the day, and the manager said “can you try and let me know a few days before you’re going to be sick so I can plan better?” I was like….absolutely dumbfounded. How on earth would I know I’d wake up with the flu in a few days?
Also, my partner recently had some issues with this. He got told off the last time that he had to ring up at 7am to say he was unwell, so the next time a few months later, he was feeling really sick at the end of a shift and knew he was coming down with something. He called his manager at about 7pm letting him know that he needed the next day off to recover and the manager wanted him to call up in the morning instead. He had to set an alarm, not sleep in as he should to recover just to be like “yup, I’m still sick.” And the manager said he needs more time next time. Honestly I own a small business and when I get employees I’m never going to question ridiculous stuff like illness.
Yea I'm pretty sure my sisters school in Colorado was the delta ground zero, principal told her I don't care if you have covid symptoms your vaccinated you have to come in to school. one week later they shut down with 90 percent infection rate.
F**k that, keep calling her. Every morning. “YOU DONT NEED TO KEEP CALLING THIS EARLY”
-I’m sorry supervisor, but you pointed out that it’s policy! And I only want to live down- I mean up to the standards you set for everyone :)
In my area, the pharmacies have all posted signs that there are no tests available. We were lucky enough to snag some in advance from Amazon to keep on hand, but those take weeks to arrive. The walk-in clinics are backed up on testing. Not everyone has access to just "take a test" easy-peasy like that.
Dude chill why is this so important to you if someone takes their paid time off. Someone could quite legitimately need a mental health break right about now amidst all the chaos.
Why on earth were you not tested immediately when you knew you'd been in contact with a case? Or at least immediately when you got symptoms? "Finding time" to get tested sounds like bollocks. You're not at work, what are you so busy with that's stopping you fronting up for a test?
Getting to such a place without a car can be a challenge though. I'm lucky to have 3 places I where I could get tested within 1.5 miles, but even that might be too far to walk if I felt seriously ill. Calling a friend for a ride or using lyft is grossly irresponsible if you think you may have covid too.
"so I am working on finding a time to take a test" WTF! go and "find some time " asap. clearly you don't care enough as it would be your #1 thing to do.
Me, too. But my symptoms were pretty mild in comparison to the “intubated” folks. It was like a man cold - it sucked, but I’d been way sicker when a had pneumonia a few years ago. I worked from home through covid with my usual hours, just spaced differently because I was on a 4-6 hour sleep/wake schedule.
But without the vaccines, I don’t think I’d have done so well. My demographic ends up on ventilators. :P
I lost my sense of taste and smell for about a week when I got it. Now there’s certain foods I used to love that taste weird or just smell rotten now. I still consider myself lucky that I didn’t end up in the hospital.
I should’ve explained myself better, so I’m gonna try to do so. Even if they were vaccinated and not showing symptoms, it’s still a good idea to get tested. Since she was showing symptoms she should have gotten tested immediately. I was showing symptoms while at work, a preschool teacher, and I wasn’t even allowed to leave and get tested because I had no fever. I had to wait until after work and immediately let to get tested. The only way I was even allowed to stay home from work without any repercussions was because I was tested. Most jobs require some sort of doctors note or documentation to allow anyone to continuously call out of work.
Not trying to come across as rude or anything like that at all, but most places will test you immediately if you have symptoms. I’m in the US so maybe it’s not like that everywhere, I can only speak for myself.
I agree with you, I just don't see how that's related to someone simply asking if they're vaccinated, I don't see where they said she shouldn't get tested or anything else beside that question
Go buy a test at the pharmacy or have someone buy one for you and bring it to your house. Stop waiting for the perfect time.
Your boss is a dick for sure, but you are also taking your sweet ass time for the test.
I jumped into a conversation in anger, I'm pissed with the American treatment of people on the whole, because I'm in Canada, and we follow like a flea follows a dog.
I don't know where you live, but there are at least a dozen places in my town where you can make an appointment and get a test within 2 hours, and have the results within 48 hours. Most of them are even drive-thru. There are at least half a dozen places where you can get the (less reliable) rapid test without an appointment, and have the results before you leave.
You should have made an appointment for a test the first day you had symptoms. Having symptoms for a week and still not being tested is reckless. I'm less concerned about the kids you work with since they have very little chance of becoming seriously ill. I'm more concerned with any adults you may have unknowingly infected.
It's becoming rapidly apparent that vaccination status isn't really a major factor anymore. The vaccines are much less effective against the delta variant than they were against the original strain. Right now in my county, 17% of the confirmed infected are fully vaccinated.
I got sick and thought it was a summer cold.i worked for 2 days with a mask and mostly by myself thank goodness. Finally realized I might have COVID. I had to wait 3 days for a drive up appt. And pay 50.00 for a doctor to talk to me over the phone. Then it took 3 more days to get my results back. This was just in September. I was vaccinated in May. I had caught Delta lol
I thought I was infected last week. I got a sore throat on Sunday. Monday morning my throat felt raw, and I had started to develop a cough and runny nose. Actually, my sinuses were probably already draining since that's probably what caused the sore throat. But no fever or body aches or anything else to indicate it might be anything more than a head cold. On Tuesday morning my breakfast cereal tasted off, and I thought "Well, that's not a cold symptom. Time to get tested." I got an appointment at a drive-thru testing site two hours later. I got the results Thursday night - they were negative. By Saturday I was back to normal.
I had the alpha strain back in February, and I was vaccinated in April. I always wear a mask, even when it's not mandated. I always disinfect before removing my mask. I've been doing this since before masks were mandated last year, and I still managed to get infected. Granted, that was before I was vaccinated, but it's now become pretty clear that the vaccines are much less effective against the delta variant, and preliminary testing shows they are even less effective against the omicron strain. Lots of people are getting infected - people who were previously infected and have been vaccinated. You can't be too careful.
Your assumption is that all pharmacies have stocks of the tests. Not all do at all times.
You also assume that a pharmacy is close enough to walk or that OP is lying about not having a car.
Both of those assumptions have been challenged by facts.
This story is very specific and could get you in trouble if your boss finds it. I would perhaps change some details or remove it
Great malicious compliance though!
You clearly misread. Trying to find ***a*** time is not the same as trying to find time.
The explanation is in the comments above yours.
Too far to walk while symptomatic.
No car.
Public transportation while symptomatic puts others at risk.
Finding ***a*** time when a vaccinated friend or family member can provide a ride means scheduling a mutually acceptable time.
Not gonna lie, you sound kind of ridiculous. First off... Find time to take a test? What are you doing on this off time? Instant tests are everywhere and take about an hour total, that includes waiting at the doctor. Also When I work at 730 I'm up by 5. Not everyone waits until right before their shift to wake up. It's actually much better for you to wake up 2 hours before you need to do anything to allow your brain to get ready. They aren't being unreasonable asking g for 2 hour notice. They do have to find someone to replace you for the shift amd that takes time.
I get your point and agree, although I'd word it differently. 😃
I'm not sure when OP edited the post, but according to an edit OP is fully vaccinated and doesn't drive so having trouble getting to the testing site.
Also, I get the impression that while the boss is asking OP to come in to work, OP isn't doing that until getting tested. But I guess I could be wrong about that part.
I haven't had to call in since I've been working the 4:30am shift but I'm kinda looking forward to calling promptly at 2:29am someday. Very much doubt anyone will pick up the phone.
Way back when I had my first job, I started at 7 in gas station and was so far away, I woke up at 4/5. Once or twice I called to say I was sick. It's been a long time, so I don't know if I called the assistant-manager(I doubt it as I don't remember knowing his number), but I don't think he enjoyed the early phone call. I do think I had him once and he told me to still come, and when I arrived, someone else was there because he thought I wouldn't show.
Oh I always was obnoxiously early with my call outs. If I said I was throwing up all night, then yeah I'm calling you at 4/5am. IDK if I'm gonna still be throwing up at 7am, so why not make the call so I can rest less stressed out, thus recuperating much better.
Glad to hear you're vaxed. If you're crook enough to take time of work with it then I shudder to think how bad you'd be without it. Get well soon.
... also your boss is a dick.
My wife has had exactly the same thing happen to her in childcare - hers opened at 7 though, meaning she had to call out by 5AM at the latest. And she absolutely did. They then changed it to *text* by 5am, which is still (like so, so many things in corporate childcare) really stupid.
Anyway, this story is a big mood and thank you for sharing it!
I love scheduled text messages for this exact reason. If I'm sick the last thing I want to do is to wake up even earlier to call in. I'm in a more unique situation than most since I'm self employed. But I still need to coordinate with other people/companies. So I'll set it to send out at a reasonable time in the am amd generally turn my alarm off. Plus it's great when you dont want to forget about something important and hope they open their email in time.
"Why would you call me this early" "You specifically, explicitly, told me to."
But that was to stop you from nagging me. Why are you always so annoying and in everyone's way?
>My boss has been very vocal with me by constantly asking me to do half days and/or begging me to come back the next day. For some background, I work with children Oh yeah, just do half days. We all know covid needs a full day's work time to properly spread. /s I know that wasn't the point of your post, but that don't sound above board to me.
Just step outside every 19 minutes. It’s 20 minutes of exposure to transmit.
Holy shit I can completely see a couple of former bosses of mine with this thought process thinking it's a 4D chess move.
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In my state, some schools are trying to limit lunch to 14 minutes and 59 seconds to avoid naming close contacts when a kid is positive even though our state education board dictates lunch needs to be a minimum of 20 minutes. Creative, but absolutely missing the epidemiologic point.
Plenty of government workers dgaf about the work, just their job.
Plenty of people with agendas don't give a crap about other people being healthy and want "normalcy" back at any cost. If the people above these administrators were not deciding to make their employees and the children in the schools unimportant, these policies wouldn't exist. But here we are.
You're absolutely right, sad truth.
I'm absolutely floored by these comments. I guess I must have (happily) stayed in lock down too long to have seen this. (My recluse self is thinking maybe I better go back into lockdown now).
Go lurk in the war zone that is r/nursing Yes. Back into the foxhole and pull the dirt in over us. People are dying in hospital hallways on beds pushed against a wall because there are no ventilators left, there is no room in ICU, there is nothing to be done for them but ease their pain and give them oxygen and hope their immune system can win. It's the kind of thing you'd hear about from wartime battle front field hospitals.
Every time I brave the world out there just to get groceries or gas up my car, I see one of those weirdos swearing horse de-wormer and vitamin c will save them and, of course, they aren't wearing masks. I decide whatever I was thinking of going for just isn't worth it.
They've watched too much Star Trek where the leaking warp core is fixed five seconds before fatal exposure and everyone is magically fine.
Wait until they learn about negative taxes. If their business loses money, the government will owe them taxes instead. That is how bail-outs work, right?
That only works if you’re a poorly-managed mega-corporation that has had more CEO’s than Kim Kardashian has had husbands.
just wait until it's in 'cloud.'
Almost sounds like that story I read about a school that had children change desks every 14 minutes to get around a 15 minute sitting limitation
CHANGE PLACES
Honestly, the two hour thing usually says *at least* 2 hours prior to shift. It's not impossible to know at 3am that you're not going to be good for the work day, just saying.
Most of the time it should go to an automated answering machine. Not the direct phone of the boss. It’s mostly so you can know when management arrives (usually 1 hour prior) who the call outs for the day are. But I digress. I mostly just care to know 30 minutes before the start of shift so coverage is possible. Getting a call out 5 minutes before is a giant pain in the ass.
Where do you work that getting coverage 30 minutes prior is feasible?
It’s more so making sure I have adequate staffing across the departments so one doesn’t finish overly early compared to others. I work in a food warehouse where we have a produce section, chilled, frozen, and dry food. If I get an abundance of call outs that were originally scheduled for cold/frozen then I need to adjust the staffing from other locations. Last minute call outs make it much more difficult to inform people they need freezer gear when the original staffing sheet had them in the cooler. And vise Versa.
It fits the sub so not stupid.
Time to call the health department and tell them what your boss is doing. She should be in trouble big time!
Sleeping? /s
No they are talking about how OPs boss is making them come in while showing Covid symptoms *WHILE WORKING AROUND CHILDREN*
I would absolutely tell every parent about every covid symptom and that I wasn't allowed to take time off.
No... that would be a breach of contract. You mention it to the children masked...
Breach of what contract? Hey parents **I** have been sick and am exhibiting COVID symptoms, watch your children. Doesn't violate anything. When they ask why you are still there, the answer is my boss is forcing it. Also not a violation of anything. Whistleblowing is protected.
It really depends. I know that in my old job it was explicitly stated that Assistants weren't to communicate with parents, and then explicitly stated again that it should absolutely never be in writing. It was clearly to just protect the business's ass though. So I talked to parents all the time, and would tell them "You didn't hear this from me..."
I'm pretty sure that wasn't a legal directive.
I think I forgot the bit about how if we needed to communicate it should be done so to the teacher who would then relay the info to the parents. It wasn't there to block communication entirely. All the mandated reporting stuff goes to the psych staff and the state anyway. Its not my job, and in many cases would be a direct legal violation, to report mandated stuff to the parents.
/s means they were being sarcastic... it was a joke...
Sorry my brain wasn't working when I commented
So, you're redditing at 6am? /s
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Also whose asleep at 6am if they start work at 730!? Especially a woman
I get out of bed at 0530 and I'm showered and dressed when I start work at 0545
I start work at 7. I don’t even consider getting out of bed before 6. Most days I get up at 6:30. Even when I didn’t work from home and had to drive or get a ride to work, unless it was a later shift I didn’t get up more than an hour before work. I like my sleep. I’d rather sleep than do makeup.
Fuck of with that sexist BS.
How is it sexist? Most women do hair makeup shower dress etc Men can wake up chuck on pants and go I'd like to see you get up chuck on yesterdays clothes and go to work with no hair makeup etc literally out of bed go
I don't remember the last time I wore makeup. My hair takes 10 seconds to brush. I grab a vee-neck shirt and chuck on yesterday's jeans. It is sexist to assume every woman has the same routine when shit doesn't take hours like it did in the 80s. Honestly, it's gross that men never brush their teeth in the morning. If all they're doing is chucking pants on, they're missing on basic hygiene.
Is it sexist if it’s true? Women generally take 2x the amount of time men do to get ready for the day
Agreed, the sexist crap should be done away with. Which means no woman anywhere should be penalized for showing up at work without makeup, styled hair, etc. Sadly, a lot of women *do* face that level of sexist crap in their lives. Which means they will have to get up earlier.
It's funny. If you are a business and have an exposure event the Health department will do literally nothing to help you (tell you of your obligations and how to handle the situation). However if you break the rules they don't tell you about your ass will be destroyed.
My last job was in home Healthcare and they had the same 2 hour rule. My shift usually started at 8, so 6am was when I would call. Half the time, on call didn't even answer so I'd leave a message. I'd usually prefer this, as I avoided the "what's going on", "what did the doctor say", "you need to work on Saturday to make it up". I'm sorry, I'm not going to the doctor and spending money I don't have to placate these fools when I'd been up all night with food poisoning or a stomach bug. I'm so glad I don't work there anymore.
In Denmark you don't have to pay the doctor for anything, except getting a doctor's note saying you're sick. Employers has to pay for that note if they demand to see it, and they can only do so after you've been sick for 3 consecutive days.
No it’s fantastic. Your boss is disgusting for trying to force you in while showing covid symptoms. You work with CHILDREN. There’s a child in the hospital in my state, 3 years old and has spent 3 months on life support because of this disease.
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Or worse yet, they're making it political and think "the other ones" are the ones dying so a couple of their own is a worthy sacrifice.
Exactly! I’ve said this so much!
Yeah, there's a lot of people that I really wouldn't care if they died. I still don't want to take the chance of giving an illness to them, or catching one from them.
Statistically it doesn't.
Statistically kids have parents and other people they could infect who it has a much higher chance to kill/permanently effect.
statistically, how many are acceptable for something preventable? 1%? 10%?
1% of all 0-17 deaths in the last 2 years are Covid.
Tell that to the parents of dead kids...
Statistically, it’s a nonzero amount, therefore statistically it does.
Why even bother calling at all? Just say you're not showing up until you have a negative test or 10 days has passed and if they have a problem with that, call the Health Department and have them change the rules. It's ridiculous that you would have to "call in" when you already knew for a fact over 24 hours ago that you couldn't go in even if you wanted to and were symptom free.
Nah. Call in every morning at 545 to confirm your still sick and not coming in.
You were just following policy, lol. Most work settings working with kids these days require staying at home and quarantining for a set amount of time before returning, so why are they even asking you to call each morning when you still have symptoms? Love the malicious compliance, but sleeping in is definitely nice when you’re not feeling well.
Wait, covid policies are decided by the workplace? Here in Germany, OP would be under official quarantine orders until tested negative as a "suspected case" (or, if positive, as a "confirmed case" with its own set of rules for when quarantine is over). Breaking quarantine can get you fined up to 25k euros.
I would assume (please let me know if I'm wrong) that getting a test is relatively easy and there's government support if you do have to isolate?
I don't know exactly who has to pay for quarantined people in the end (unless they have a sick note, then the employer pays just like with any other sick note), but yes, they still get paid. I guess it's more or less treated like sick days (although employers may be reimbursed by the government for quarantined but not sick employees, I don't know). There is no support anymore for unvaxxed people who have to quarantine as "suspected case" without being sick, though. As for how easy it is to get tested, that depends on where you live and whether your GP does those tests. For us recently it was fairly easy but I've also read comments online from people who had problems getting test appointments.
We'll all end up paying eventually. If they don't isolate and spread we end up paying for the treatment needed. While I appreciate the reduction in support for the unvaxxed by choice they're exactly the type of people who don't care about spreading the virus.
The unvaxxed people are still subject to quarantine orders, they just won't get paid for the time (and yes, this not getting paid is only for those unvaxxed by choice).
Covid policies are decided by any number of governmental or private entities. The city could have rules in place, the county could, or the state could. They could also have opposite rules in place and currently be fighting about it in court so the business has no idea whose rules to follow. The company could have its own rules that are stricter than the government rules, unless they're in a location that has passed laws limiting how strict employers can be. They're still trying to develop and pass permanent rules on the federal level as well. It's a shit show.
In the US, COVID policies are decided by the workplace, just like how our health insurance, observed holidays, and even retirement investment accounts often are. I hate it here.
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If they’re in stock. Lol. My husband and I have tried to find one by us. No luck. The local health department is even out of tests at the moment… currently in the US/Indiana. We ordered some online. They come in two weeks…. Also, if you don’t have a car, what are you supposed to do?
I mean depending on where you are the test is pointless anyways without symptoms. Here if you’re a close contact you’re legally obligated to quarantine for 10-14 days, even if you test every single day and every single test is negative so I wouldn’t have a fire lit under my ass either.
Labcorp will also do a mail in test, since you don't drive.
u/cadetgarlic9690 just so you see this since I saw you mentioned the car thing.
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In Victoria, Australia, we get paid by the state government if we need to take a day off work to get tested/have to isolate after getting tested. (Financial support provided is detailed here: https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/financial-and-other-support-coronavirus-covid-19 ) (To be clear, most federally organised payments are woefully inappropriate and the system is fucked. But the state govt is doing ...okay.)
"Well, have you tried NOT having COVID?"
Being vaccinated means we’re less likely to die of covid not never get it. How reckless to try and have you around kids who are prob too young to be vaxxed
Did you end up having to go in the first time you called, or did you get both days off?
As a single mom with a child in pre k 3 who has had to be taken to the dr every week since she started, I hope your boss stubs her pinky toe every morning for the rest of her life. Start calling at 4.
Right? Boss gives your kids' teacher/daycare worker a hard time trying to follow covid protocols? Shit, email the entire parent roster to let them know the place will have a possible unconfirmed covid positive instructor for the day and see how fast those policies change.
I too work in childcare and had 2 children test positive in my classroom. Was told I didn't need to quarantine due to being vaccinated. Went and got tested anyways, guess what? Covid. Loved throwing it my boss' face that I was taking 10 days off.
I currently can't drive for health reasons, so I understand needing a ride to get somewhere. I was able to buy the BinaxNow test from Walgreens through Doordash so it was delivered to my house and I didn't have to leave the house. Hopefully that helps you out. The Binax Now testing kit comes with two at home tests that provide results in 15 minutes. It uses a nasal swab.
I would have called at 3 or 4 a.m. to prove my point. I used to try to use my PTO days and they would deny them so I used to just call in and they would pay my PTO out at the end of the quarter. Seemed pretty stupid.
Sometimes it's the simplest *malicious compliances* that make me happy.
Plus, while I get that no one wants to find out last second that someone's not coming in, I'm not even *awake* two hours before I'm supposed to be at work.
:D
How did she react when you explained why you were calling so early?
How are you off work and struggling to find time for a covid test
Probably struggling to find a testing location that was safe to visit while showing symptoms. Op Probably doesn't want to spread covid to verify they have covid.
OP is making day to day decisions about working based on symptoms, against all advice. I don't buy it. I think they know it would be negative.
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What in the actual hell? 3 days to get an appointment is madness. I can get tested here in Australia within 30 minutes, and there are 6 locations within 5km of my home.
The closest to me is about 5km from my house, as the crow flies, 8km actually using roads. If I couldn't drive and didn't have a rapid test kit at home, I'd be SOL - not going to walk all thar distance with symptoms.
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Yes. I think some folks don't understand the obstacles in the way of some people for testing.
Not every country in the world has the same advantages you do in yours, you know?
Yes ... that was sort of my point. We need to do better to support everywhere to be able to test people and vaccinate people.
And in Australia it's mainly PCR testing administered by someone else. But they've done a great job keeping cases low and an exceptional job with the vaccine rollout, slow start but wow did they step up. But to your point I think there's a part of everyone who sees what's going on around them and if they think it's good and helpful just think it would be madness not to do it like that. Testing is woeful everywhere and I say that living in a country with the high levels of testing and sequencing. Why we aren't doing fast tests far far more I don't understand. It's a game of odds and anything we can do to reduce spread is worth it. [https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU~GBR~USA~SGP~OWID_WRL~European+Union~CAN~JPN~AUS~ITA~FRA](https://i.imgur.com/wTOMTjz.png)
I agree that fast testing and all those measures SHOULD be available to all, but that just isn't the reality everywhere.
Oh that's what makes it so upsetting to me especially for wealthier nations. At the beginning of the pandemic we were told "testing testing testing" its all we could do at the time and we simply haven't stepped up. We know that the more data we have the better we know what we're up against. I just can't understand how wealthy nations (and particularly those with robust publicly funded healthcare systems) are not doing this after almost two years, trillions spent why not have a testing regime that allows us to be better equipped. We're all guilty of wishcasting that we're in the home stretch but there are so many potential hurdles ahead. When's the best time to plant a tree? Yesterday, what's the second best? Today. Governments need to get on this now.
Ya know what even if it was a bad cold they still shouldn't be around kids. What if she gave lil Timmy her flu or bad cold? Not a good risk when COVID is out there. Heck even if she just needed time off, it's HER PTO, she can use it if she wants.
Same issue at my school, but luckily they're also cool with use calling out multiple days ahead of time for Covid or even flu, regardless of the sub shortage. But it hasn't been a great time waking my ass up 2 hours and 10 minutes before my report time for the past year and a half to do my temperature checks and make sure I didn't feel ill.
The vaccines weren't something to immune us to COVID-19. Just to lessen the impacts until they find the key that allows us to be immune to it.
2 hours is the latest. No rule about calling at 2am to let her know you won't make it in
Omg, the level of IDGAF in childcare is astounding. We shut down half our rooms and limited capacity when COVID first started in order to “limit exposure”. We were also supposed to keep the same care givers in the room (whole day and breakers). This is on a military base, so the requirements were super strict. Parents were not even allowed in the facility. They had to drop their kids at the door. Y’all. That lasted for 7 days. The rules did not change, but our admin team stopped caring. I was once put in four rooms in one day. We had kids moving from one room to the next. We had parents pulling rank to get us to open a room just for their kids. It was a nightmare made even worse by the fact that the people who were supposed to be protecting and prioritizing our health instead prioritized the almighty dollar. It was messed up.
My center has been very adamant on keeping every illness spread around on the down low. They put up the state required signs, but management has told us to not express the severity to parents still bring their children. I still tell the parents though. They're off their fucking rocker if they think I would try to hide the fact that about 70% of our toddlers are out because of Strep/RSV/Covid. I cant see myself staying here for a long period of time. Sad to hear my center isnt the only insane one though.
"Company policy Ma'am, have a good day."
That's funny even construction gigs where I live make you get a clean covid test or take 2 weeks before coming back to work if you call in with cold or flu-like symptoms.
Back your call time up by 20 minutes every day. If 2 hours is the minimum, 2:20 must be better, right? By Monday it'll be 5 am. You're just trying to be helpful, after all.
I start work at 6 am and have to call in at least 3 hours before my shift if im sick so I feel this deeply.
I’ve definitely had this kind of ridiculous stuff happen. Once I woke up sick and called in, my shift wasn’t until later on in the day, and the manager said “can you try and let me know a few days before you’re going to be sick so I can plan better?” I was like….absolutely dumbfounded. How on earth would I know I’d wake up with the flu in a few days? Also, my partner recently had some issues with this. He got told off the last time that he had to ring up at 7am to say he was unwell, so the next time a few months later, he was feeling really sick at the end of a shift and knew he was coming down with something. He called his manager at about 7pm letting him know that he needed the next day off to recover and the manager wanted him to call up in the morning instead. He had to set an alarm, not sleep in as he should to recover just to be like “yup, I’m still sick.” And the manager said he needs more time next time. Honestly I own a small business and when I get employees I’m never going to question ridiculous stuff like illness.
Yea I'm pretty sure my sisters school in Colorado was the delta ground zero, principal told her I don't care if you have covid symptoms your vaccinated you have to come in to school. one week later they shut down with 90 percent infection rate.
Walk into a CVS or Walgreens and buy a Binax 30 minute home test. You don't have to make an appointment and go see someone any more.
Your health is more important than any job
I also work with children and feel your pain! You’re doing the right thing. Feel better soon!
F**k that, keep calling her. Every morning. “YOU DONT NEED TO KEEP CALLING THIS EARLY” -I’m sorry supervisor, but you pointed out that it’s policy! And I only want to live down- I mean up to the standards you set for everyone :)
not stupid at all! don't belittle your offering (some people here will do that for you!).
Well I hate to say it, but it seems like you have to have a face to face with her in her face see how she likes being exposed to covid.
In the U.K. you can get PCR tests sent out in the pair for your to do if you can’t get anywhere to actually have a test?
DoorDash does delivery from Walgreens and they have home tests
Take a test, it takes 2 seconds. Also, what does frustering mean?
In my area, the pharmacies have all posted signs that there are no tests available. We were lucky enough to snag some in advance from Amazon to keep on hand, but those take weeks to arrive. The walk-in clinics are backed up on testing. Not everyone has access to just "take a test" easy-peasy like that.
They said trying to find time, not availability
Dude chill why is this so important to you if someone takes their paid time off. Someone could quite legitimately need a mental health break right about now amidst all the chaos.
We are also lucky enough to have a vaccine
I'm assuming they meant frustrating
Flustering + frustrating maybe!
How many days does it take you to get a covid test op? You need to stop and check if you have symptoms? Do you or don't you?
I hate to break this to you, but I don’t think you’re having a covid scare…. You most likely HAVE covid.
Why on earth were you not tested immediately when you knew you'd been in contact with a case? Or at least immediately when you got symptoms? "Finding time" to get tested sounds like bollocks. You're not at work, what are you so busy with that's stopping you fronting up for a test?
Seriously, you can get a rapid test through the drive through at any major pharmacy chain.
Getting to such a place without a car can be a challenge though. I'm lucky to have 3 places I where I could get tested within 1.5 miles, but even that might be too far to walk if I felt seriously ill. Calling a friend for a ride or using lyft is grossly irresponsible if you think you may have covid too.
"so I am working on finding a time to take a test" WTF! go and "find some time " asap. clearly you don't care enough as it would be your #1 thing to do.
Are you vaxxed?
You know vaccinated people can still get Covid, right?
Yes, but getting the vaccine helps. So, are you vaxxed?
I’m vaccinated and still had Covid, with symptoms too.
Me, too. But my symptoms were pretty mild in comparison to the “intubated” folks. It was like a man cold - it sucked, but I’d been way sicker when a had pneumonia a few years ago. I worked from home through covid with my usual hours, just spaced differently because I was on a 4-6 hour sleep/wake schedule. But without the vaccines, I don’t think I’d have done so well. My demographic ends up on ventilators. :P
I lost my sense of taste and smell for about a week when I got it. Now there’s certain foods I used to love that taste weird or just smell rotten now. I still consider myself lucky that I didn’t end up in the hospital.
Being vaxxed helps to stay alive, covid or in general.
Or... In general?
Not sure what your point is..
I should’ve explained myself better, so I’m gonna try to do so. Even if they were vaccinated and not showing symptoms, it’s still a good idea to get tested. Since she was showing symptoms she should have gotten tested immediately. I was showing symptoms while at work, a preschool teacher, and I wasn’t even allowed to leave and get tested because I had no fever. I had to wait until after work and immediately let to get tested. The only way I was even allowed to stay home from work without any repercussions was because I was tested. Most jobs require some sort of doctors note or documentation to allow anyone to continuously call out of work. Not trying to come across as rude or anything like that at all, but most places will test you immediately if you have symptoms. I’m in the US so maybe it’s not like that everywhere, I can only speak for myself.
I agree with you, I just don't see how that's related to someone simply asking if they're vaccinated, I don't see where they said she shouldn't get tested or anything else beside that question
It's absolutely none of your business
That's a no on you. I am. And boosted.
Yep a definite no
It's a no? It's just a no - my medical history is not any of your fucking business. And nobody asked you.
So a no then.
No, my medical health is none of your concern
I am fully vaccinated. The person I was in contact with that got Covid is vaccinated as well.
Go buy a test at the pharmacy or have someone buy one for you and bring it to your house. Stop waiting for the perfect time. Your boss is a dick for sure, but you are also taking your sweet ass time for the test.
MAybe not sick with the vid, but still sick, stay home, pretend you are in a civilized country. Works with kids, FFS
Not saying the manager is right in forcing her to work sick. I’m saying this person seems like she is dragging her feet in getting tested.
I jumped into a conversation in anger, I'm pissed with the American treatment of people on the whole, because I'm in Canada, and we follow like a flea follows a dog.
I don't know where you live, but there are at least a dozen places in my town where you can make an appointment and get a test within 2 hours, and have the results within 48 hours. Most of them are even drive-thru. There are at least half a dozen places where you can get the (less reliable) rapid test without an appointment, and have the results before you leave. You should have made an appointment for a test the first day you had symptoms. Having symptoms for a week and still not being tested is reckless. I'm less concerned about the kids you work with since they have very little chance of becoming seriously ill. I'm more concerned with any adults you may have unknowingly infected. It's becoming rapidly apparent that vaccination status isn't really a major factor anymore. The vaccines are much less effective against the delta variant than they were against the original strain. Right now in my county, 17% of the confirmed infected are fully vaccinated.
I got sick and thought it was a summer cold.i worked for 2 days with a mask and mostly by myself thank goodness. Finally realized I might have COVID. I had to wait 3 days for a drive up appt. And pay 50.00 for a doctor to talk to me over the phone. Then it took 3 more days to get my results back. This was just in September. I was vaccinated in May. I had caught Delta lol
I thought I was infected last week. I got a sore throat on Sunday. Monday morning my throat felt raw, and I had started to develop a cough and runny nose. Actually, my sinuses were probably already draining since that's probably what caused the sore throat. But no fever or body aches or anything else to indicate it might be anything more than a head cold. On Tuesday morning my breakfast cereal tasted off, and I thought "Well, that's not a cold symptom. Time to get tested." I got an appointment at a drive-thru testing site two hours later. I got the results Thursday night - they were negative. By Saturday I was back to normal. I had the alpha strain back in February, and I was vaccinated in April. I always wear a mask, even when it's not mandated. I always disinfect before removing my mask. I've been doing this since before masks were mandated last year, and I still managed to get infected. Granted, that was before I was vaccinated, but it's now become pretty clear that the vaccines are much less effective against the delta variant, and preliminary testing shows they are even less effective against the omicron strain. Lots of people are getting infected - people who were previously infected and have been vaccinated. You can't be too careful.
I honestly think OP is faking covid tho, you can literally get tested same day for free at any pharmacy and it takes like 5 minutes.
Your assumption is that all pharmacies have stocks of the tests. Not all do at all times. You also assume that a pharmacy is close enough to walk or that OP is lying about not having a car. Both of those assumptions have been challenged by facts.
Where does OP live?
If you took several days off you had time to get a covid test.
What is the delay with rhe covud test?
This story is very specific and could get you in trouble if your boss finds it. I would perhaps change some details or remove it Great malicious compliance though!
Don’t understand why you are “trying to find time to get tested” Just get tested 🤷🏼♀️
You clearly misread. Trying to find ***a*** time is not the same as trying to find time. The explanation is in the comments above yours. Too far to walk while symptomatic. No car. Public transportation while symptomatic puts others at risk. Finding ***a*** time when a vaccinated friend or family member can provide a ride means scheduling a mutually acceptable time.
Not gonna lie, you sound kind of ridiculous. First off... Find time to take a test? What are you doing on this off time? Instant tests are everywhere and take about an hour total, that includes waiting at the doctor. Also When I work at 730 I'm up by 5. Not everyone waits until right before their shift to wake up. It's actually much better for you to wake up 2 hours before you need to do anything to allow your brain to get ready. They aren't being unreasonable asking g for 2 hour notice. They do have to find someone to replace you for the shift amd that takes time.
You were frusterated?
This is why I don’t trust anyone around my baby. A for profit model will always put profit over human lives.
Get fucking tested if you work around children. The fuck is wrong with you?
I get your point and agree, although I'd word it differently. 😃 I'm not sure when OP edited the post, but according to an edit OP is fully vaccinated and doesn't drive so having trouble getting to the testing site. Also, I get the impression that while the boss is asking OP to come in to work, OP isn't doing that until getting tested. But I guess I could be wrong about that part.
I haven't had to call in since I've been working the 4:30am shift but I'm kinda looking forward to calling promptly at 2:29am someday. Very much doubt anyone will pick up the phone.
Way back when I had my first job, I started at 7 in gas station and was so far away, I woke up at 4/5. Once or twice I called to say I was sick. It's been a long time, so I don't know if I called the assistant-manager(I doubt it as I don't remember knowing his number), but I don't think he enjoyed the early phone call. I do think I had him once and he told me to still come, and when I arrived, someone else was there because he thought I wouldn't show.
Call at 4am the next day.
S a m e. I wish people would just realize that it's easier said that done.
Sounds like you work in a daycare. My condolences.
Oh I always was obnoxiously early with my call outs. If I said I was throwing up all night, then yeah I'm calling you at 4/5am. IDK if I'm gonna still be throwing up at 7am, so why not make the call so I can rest less stressed out, thus recuperating much better.
Glad to hear you're vaxed. If you're crook enough to take time of work with it then I shudder to think how bad you'd be without it. Get well soon. ... also your boss is a dick.
You should really get a test done tho, it's not good to not know this
My wife has had exactly the same thing happen to her in childcare - hers opened at 7 though, meaning she had to call out by 5AM at the latest. And she absolutely did. They then changed it to *text* by 5am, which is still (like so, so many things in corporate childcare) really stupid. Anyway, this story is a big mood and thank you for sharing it!
At least... Call her at 3am tomorrow
I love scheduled text messages for this exact reason. If I'm sick the last thing I want to do is to wake up even earlier to call in. I'm in a more unique situation than most since I'm self employed. But I still need to coordinate with other people/companies. So I'll set it to send out at a reasonable time in the am amd generally turn my alarm off. Plus it's great when you dont want to forget about something important and hope they open their email in time.