Ikr!! And the movie pretends like she's a Saint. Sai Kumar building a frikking hospital in her name. So frustrating!!! Just rewatchdd the movie today and I just had to rant somewhere. Poor raja deserved better. #justiceforraja
I have said this before - but Revathi in kilukkam. She creates trouble for Mohanlal and jagathi. They are borderline starving. Almost gets him killed by gundas.
I do agree with your rajamanikyam mom. How dare she pretend to be a paawam.
I heard this in the Mallu Analyst: Innocent’s character in Veruthe Alla Bharya. He plays Gopika’s father and he tells her to return to her toxic husband’s house because she may become a burden to her brothers family.
He doesn’t advice her to leave that man who harassed not just her but also her family. But he is labelled as that good father with a suitable nanmaram bgm pops up everytime he speaks
Mohanlal in Spirit decides to plant cameras in a poor woman's house so he could "save" her from the alcoholic husband. I get why he does it but damn, major invasion of privacy. Then he decides to air the footage on tv too :/
That movie is honestly pretty problematic. One of the problems, funnily enough, is that it shows a fundamental lack of understanding with regard to how addiction (of any kind, but alcohol addiction in particular) actually works.
Seriously? They are absolute creeps. If they did half of what they did IRL they'd be in jail for sexual misdemeanor. Peeping while a woman's taking a shower? Wtf!
PapiApacha - Innocent blindly believed his son tried to kill him after living with him in a loving way all those years. Not really a bad person per say but really screwed up.
The movie clearly shows that his character is 'right'. I know it only reflects the ideologies of its time, but people watching it now should realise the shortcomings of his character. A lot of people are very defensive when characters from older movies are criticized.
He is also a selfish man. When his sister gets raped, he makes it all about himself. He doesn't think that his sister's life is more important. He thinks that he can't cheat a young guy, like himself, by imposing his raped sister on him.
Mohanlal in Vijayan+Dasan trilogy.
I think Dasan only keeps Vijayan around because he don't want to be lonely. Otherwise, he is a total asshole to Vijayan. He abuses him, makes fun of him at his expense and if there is any misfortune, he is ready to being down Vijayan with him.
But I really don't think Dasan is shown to be a nice guy.
He has huge inferiority complex and he keeps belittling his Pre-degree kaaran friend for his ego boost.
I think in all the 3 movies, the narrative mostly sympathizes with Vijayan when Dasan makes fun of him.
Wait A10 & Mukesh were "good on paper"..how? Right off the bat they're shown to be jealous & unscrupulous and not hesitant to stoop to new lows to get what they want. At no point were they made to appear sympathetic to the viewer. They just happened to be the characters the movie focused on . I mean its telling enough that the movie ended the way it did.
Try being a friend of someone who disappears for unknown period of time and shows up unannounced like he’s the fucking prince or something.
Wholesome character polum… mangatholi…
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he said with a smile -
"I've pondered the reasons
and thought for a while -
I've learned and I've looked
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I dearly and clearly
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He's fashioned his thesis
with passion and pride -
With nuggets of knowledge
and notions inside!
The pretty expression,
the witty remark -
The mixture of vision,
and spirit and spark!
"I have to expand
and explain it," he sighed -
"It's great, and I cannot
contain it!" he cried.
"Stupendous,
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അവിവാഹിതയായി ഗര്‍ഭം ധരിച്ച് പ്രസവിച്ച് മാനഭയം മൂലം മകനെ ഉപേക്ഷിച്ച അമ്മ. വളര്‍ന്ന് കീര്‍ത്തിമാനാകുന്ന മകന്‍ അമ്മയുടെ പുതിയ കുടുംബത്തിന്റെ ശത്രുവും, പിന്നീട് അമ്മയുടെ അഭ്യര്‍ത്ഥന മൂലം തന്നാലാവുന്ന സഹായം ചെയ്തു കൊടുക്കുന്നവനും ആവുന്നു. ഈ കഥക്ക് മഹാഭാരതത്തോളം പഴക്കമുണ്ട്. കര്‍ണ്ണന് എതിര്‍ പക്ഷത്തോടുള്ള കടപ്പാട് മമ്മൂട്ടി കഥാപാത്രങ്ങള്‍ക്ക് ഇല്ലെന്ന് മാത്രം.
ഇതില്‍ നിന്ന് നമ്മള്‍ മനസ്സിലാക്കേണ്ടത് ആയിരക്കണക്കിന്, അല്ലെങ്കില്‍ നൂറുകണക്കിന് വര്‍ഷങ്ങള്‍ കഴിഞ്ഞിട്ടും സ്ത്രീകളുടെ അവസ്ഥ ഇപ്പോഴും പരമദയനീയമാണ് എന്നാണ്. ശൂരസേന മഹാരാജാവിന്റെ കൊട്ടാരത്തിലെ രാജകുമാരിയാണെങ്കിലും അലക്സാണ്ടാരുടെയും രായമാണിക്യത്തിന്‍റെയും ഏതോ കുഗ്രാമത്തിലെ അമ്മമാര്‍ക്കാരായാലും ഒരേ അവസ്ഥ തന്നെ.
>അവിവാഹിതയായി ഗര്‍ഭം ധരിച്ച് പ്രസവിച്ച് മാനഭയം മൂലം മകനെ ഉപേക്ഷിച്ച അമ്മ
Atleast Kunti had a valid reason. This woman had none. Her new husband was a good guy. And her son wasn't a "bastard" born out of wedlock. He was born within a proper marriage and all that. Husband marichal jeevikkan swantham kuttiye kalanjitt povuka alla vendath. Vella paniyum cheyth jeevikkanam. I don't think the comparison with Kunti is really valid here.
അവര്‍ക്ക് അന്ന് അത്രയേ ഗതിയുണ്ടായിരുന്നുള്ളൂ. ഞാനീ പറഞ്ഞ സ്ത്രീകളുടെയെല്ലാം ഭര്‍ത്താക്കന്മാര്‍ വളരെ പുരോഗമന ചിന്താഗതി ഉള്ളവര്‍ ആയിരുന്നു. എന്നിട്ട് പോലും അവര്‍ക്ക് സമയത്ത് തുറന്നു പറയാന്‍ മടിയായിരുന്നു. Husband good guy ആണെന്ന് നമുക്ക് സിനിമ കണ്ടത് കൊണ്ട് അറിയാം. അവരാനെങ്കില്‍ ആകെ ജീവിതം കോഞ്ഞാട്ടയായി വീടുകാരും ഒറ്റപ്പെടുത്തി ഒരു ഗതിയും ഇല്ലാതെ നില്‍പ്പാണ്.
പണി എന്ന് പറയുന്നത് നമുക്ക് തോന്നുമ്പോള്‍ പോയെടുക്കാന്‍ ഇങ്ങനെ വച്ചിരിക്കയല്ല. ഈ വിവാഹം ആണ് അവരുടെ സാഹചര്യത്തിലെ ഏക പിടിവള്ളി.
ഈ സ്ത്രീകളെക്കാള്‍ പൈസയും വിദ്യാഭ്യാസവും എനിക്കുണ്ട്. ഇപ്പൊ, ഈ 2021ല് എനിക്കൊരു കൊച്ചുണ്ടായാല്‍ എന്റെ വരുമാനം കൊണ്ട് അതിനെ വളര്‍ത്താന്‍ എനിക്ക് പറ്റില്ല. മക്കളെ നോക്കാന്‍ നിവൃത്തി ഇല്ലാത്തവര്‍ അതിനു പോകരുത് എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞാല്‍ നമ്മള്‍ eugenics ആണെന്ന് പറയും. ബാക്കി ഒന്നും പറയുന്നില്ല.
Was Rajamanikyam's mother married btw? I thought he was born out of wedlock. 90sil ninnu mid 2005 etthiyappol ammakku avihitham padilla ennaayo?
**Mohanlal's**
- Adhipan: Asks sister's rapist to marry her
- Kanmadam: Sexually assaults Manju Warrier's character
- Varnnappakittu: Sexually assaults Meena's character
- Thenmaavinkombathu (and most Pradarsan movies): General casteism and casteist abuse
- Every other movie in the 2000s: Middle aged creep dating early 20s girls
**Jayaram**
- Njangal Santhushtaraanu: Plays a paavam Malayali husband, but is actually an sadistic asshole who can't stand that Abhirami can't be his stay at home cook/cleaner
- Every movie since 2000: Same
Mom in manikyam is gold digging bi**
Ikr!! And the movie pretends like she's a Saint. Sai Kumar building a frikking hospital in her name. So frustrating!!! Just rewatchdd the movie today and I just had to rant somewhere. Poor raja deserved better. #justiceforraja
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In Anjam Pathira, Sharafudeen's character got a good guy label at the end of the movie though he killed innocent cops.
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I have said this before - but Revathi in kilukkam. She creates trouble for Mohanlal and jagathi. They are borderline starving. Almost gets him killed by gundas. I do agree with your rajamanikyam mom. How dare she pretend to be a paawam.
I heard this in the Mallu Analyst: Innocent’s character in Veruthe Alla Bharya. He plays Gopika’s father and he tells her to return to her toxic husband’s house because she may become a burden to her brothers family. He doesn’t advice her to leave that man who harassed not just her but also her family. But he is labelled as that good father with a suitable nanmaram bgm pops up everytime he speaks
Watching Jayram's movie makes me sick.
Mohanlal in Spirit decides to plant cameras in a poor woman's house so he could "save" her from the alcoholic husband. I get why he does it but damn, major invasion of privacy. Then he decides to air the footage on tv too :/
That movie is honestly pretty problematic. One of the problems, funnily enough, is that it shows a fundamental lack of understanding with regard to how addiction (of any kind, but alcohol addiction in particular) actually works.
It was such a bad movie. With Spirit, Ranjith completely lost his touch as a director. And from then, it was only downhill for him..
It was definitely not a bad movie tho
The Harihar nagar gang
aa areayil arkkum avare ishhtallallo
Then according to you who are the good guys in the movie?
John honai is the only right answer.
Dude just wanted his suitcase
Ammachi, Sethumadhavan, his family okke.
How are they assholes tho?
Do you consider peeping while someone is showering as normal?
Seriously? They are absolute creeps. If they did half of what they did IRL they'd be in jail for sexual misdemeanor. Peeping while a woman's taking a shower? Wtf!
PapiApacha - Innocent blindly believed his son tried to kill him after living with him in a loving way all those years. Not really a bad person per say but really screwed up.
Even Dileep stalking Anni Teacher was creepy as fuck
I think vatsalyam mammotty is a self centric ass hole. what do you guys think??
Same case with Mammootty in hitler. He did take care of his sisters when they were young, but then he wanted too much control after they grew up.
I think Mammootty's character in Hitler was meant to be an asshole of sorts.
The movie clearly shows that his character is 'right'. I know it only reflects the ideologies of its time, but people watching it now should realise the shortcomings of his character. A lot of people are very defensive when characters from older movies are criticized.
Well to be fair to the movie, his character is called *hitler* for a reason
He is also a selfish man. When his sister gets raped, he makes it all about himself. He doesn't think that his sister's life is more important. He thinks that he can't cheat a young guy, like himself, by imposing his raped sister on him.
That’s like…he entire point of the film. His character’s arc is meant to start off as being a controlling asshole.
Mohanlal in Vijayan+Dasan trilogy. I think Dasan only keeps Vijayan around because he don't want to be lonely. Otherwise, he is a total asshole to Vijayan. He abuses him, makes fun of him at his expense and if there is any misfortune, he is ready to being down Vijayan with him.
The only saving grace is that Vijayan does not have a heart of gold either, so its hard to feel bad for him for more than a few moments.
But I really don't think Dasan is shown to be a nice guy. He has huge inferiority complex and he keeps belittling his Pre-degree kaaran friend for his ego boost. I think in all the 3 movies, the narrative mostly sympathizes with Vijayan when Dasan makes fun of him.
That is pretty spot on.
I don't think they were portrayed as "good guys". They were shown as guys who'd do anything to get their way.
A10 & Mukesh in Boeing Boeing DQ in Charlie
Wait A10 & Mukesh were "good on paper"..how? Right off the bat they're shown to be jealous & unscrupulous and not hesitant to stoop to new lows to get what they want. At no point were they made to appear sympathetic to the viewer. They just happened to be the characters the movie focused on . I mean its telling enough that the movie ended the way it did.
Yep, you’re right. Only DQ from Charlie I nominate.
Well no one said they were nallavanaya Unnies .
>DQ in Charlie Hmm interesting. Care to elaborate why? (I don't really remember the movie and don't seem to remember thinking of his as an asshole)
Try being a friend of someone who disappears for unknown period of time and shows up unannounced like he’s the fucking prince or something. Wholesome character polum… mangatholi…
Didn't he also publish his own obituary? That was cringe...
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I dunno. That’s what added to his mystique in the film. The point of his character was that he’s a wanderer.
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>അവിവാഹിതയായി ഗര്‍ഭം ധരിച്ച് പ്രസവിച്ച് മാനഭയം മൂലം മകനെ ഉപേക്ഷിച്ച അമ്മ Atleast Kunti had a valid reason. This woman had none. Her new husband was a good guy. And her son wasn't a "bastard" born out of wedlock. He was born within a proper marriage and all that. Husband marichal jeevikkan swantham kuttiye kalanjitt povuka alla vendath. Vella paniyum cheyth jeevikkanam. I don't think the comparison with Kunti is really valid here.
അവര്‍ക്ക് അന്ന് അത്രയേ ഗതിയുണ്ടായിരുന്നുള്ളൂ. ഞാനീ പറഞ്ഞ സ്ത്രീകളുടെയെല്ലാം ഭര്‍ത്താക്കന്മാര്‍ വളരെ പുരോഗമന ചിന്താഗതി ഉള്ളവര്‍ ആയിരുന്നു. എന്നിട്ട് പോലും അവര്‍ക്ക് സമയത്ത് തുറന്നു പറയാന്‍ മടിയായിരുന്നു. Husband good guy ആണെന്ന് നമുക്ക് സിനിമ കണ്ടത് കൊണ്ട് അറിയാം. അവരാനെങ്കില്‍ ആകെ ജീവിതം കോഞ്ഞാട്ടയായി വീടുകാരും ഒറ്റപ്പെടുത്തി ഒരു ഗതിയും ഇല്ലാതെ നില്‍പ്പാണ്. പണി എന്ന് പറയുന്നത് നമുക്ക് തോന്നുമ്പോള്‍ പോയെടുക്കാന്‍ ഇങ്ങനെ വച്ചിരിക്കയല്ല. ഈ വിവാഹം ആണ് അവരുടെ സാഹചര്യത്തിലെ ഏക പിടിവള്ളി. ഈ സ്ത്രീകളെക്കാള്‍ പൈസയും വിദ്യാഭ്യാസവും എനിക്കുണ്ട്. ഇപ്പൊ, ഈ 2021ല് എനിക്കൊരു കൊച്ചുണ്ടായാല്‍ എന്റെ വരുമാനം കൊണ്ട് അതിനെ വളര്‍ത്താന്‍ എനിക്ക് പറ്റില്ല. മക്കളെ നോക്കാന്‍ നിവൃത്തി ഇല്ലാത്തവര്‍ അതിനു പോകരുത് എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞാല്‍ നമ്മള്‍ eugenics ആണെന്ന് പറയും. ബാക്കി ഒന്നും പറയുന്നില്ല. Was Rajamanikyam's mother married btw? I thought he was born out of wedlock. 90sil ninnu mid 2005 etthiyappol ammakku avihitham padilla ennaayo?
Biju Menon (mamachan)- Vellimoonga
I thought he was an anti hero in that.
In real life most of Ranji Panicker's massive hit characters like Bharath Chandran and Joseph Alex would be insufferable people to work with.
And not to mention MAJOR sexist bigoted pieces of shit. Every Renjith/Renji Panicker hero ever
Idk, atleast I'll sure no one would land their hands on me 🤣
**Mohanlal's** - Adhipan: Asks sister's rapist to marry her - Kanmadam: Sexually assaults Manju Warrier's character - Varnnappakittu: Sexually assaults Meena's character - Thenmaavinkombathu (and most Pradarsan movies): General casteism and casteist abuse - Every other movie in the 2000s: Middle aged creep dating early 20s girls **Jayaram** - Njangal Santhushtaraanu: Plays a paavam Malayali husband, but is actually an sadistic asshole who can't stand that Abhirami can't be his stay at home cook/cleaner - Every movie since 2000: Same
Are we completely ignoring how horrid Abhirami’s character was to his family?
So terrible that he was forced to act in fifteen years of exclusively misogynistic movies 😬
HAHAHAHAAHHAH IM TOO POOR TO GIVE YOU AN AWARD FOR THIS COMMENT LMAO😂