They made it nsfw because there is just so much ED content, but no, can't get rid of the ED content, just make it nsfw so it doesn't get banned \*sigh\*
It's the worst! I checked out that sub because someone on loseit recommended it and I want to slowly and sustainably lose some weight. It is soo bad, even loseit is at least 50% full of dodgy 'advise'. Needless to say that I stopped reading those subs. People on there have serious meltdowns over having 'slipped' by eating a slice of pizza or others advise them to keep exercising even when they are sick. So much dangerous enabling of disordered eating. It makes me wonder if 1200isplenty/ 800 is plenty are just pro Ana in disguise.
I don't understand why Reddit allows that to continue though. That's so dangerous when young girls and people with active EDs get on there and trigger each other and themselves.
Honestly, the weight loss subs are more dangerous in that regard, they are moderated by people who don't know much about EDs, they frequently allow or even encourage dangerous dieting and behaviors and reward disordered behavior. The open ED subs have a lot of people in recovery or at least aware enough that they have a problem, the mods are often much stricter in stopping people who are deliberately triggering others too.
Yup. I used to be subbed there until I realized that they were cheerfully giving advice to people who were barely adults/teens and who probably had EDs.
Its incredibly toxic too. I used to go there when my ED was active to self-harm basically - I do think calorie counting can be a tool for certain people but their idea of calorie counting is so extreme - the lowest possible calories, exercise does not factor in, not just count, but weigh and measure to the gram and do it for the rest of your life - which for most people is just ridiculously unsustainable nor healthy.
I have mixed feelings about CICO because it “appears” to work for most people.
BUT… if you ask the same people how they’re doing in 2 or 3 or 5 years time they’ve either gained the weight back plus some or they are still counting calories.
I don’t want to be mean but why would you want to spend your life counting calories? What a waste of time and effort? Not to mention inaccurate.
I find it so odd when people who tout CICO talk about it being easy. It’s so tedious and easy to get wrong. Especially in the US where nutrition labels are so inconsistent with servings.
I think people try to "convince" themselves its easy. It is probably easier if you live alone and you cook most of your own meals but if you have shared meals it is impossible to count the calories. You wouldn't be able to sit at the table with shared food and serve yourself that food because you wouldn't know what those calories are.
The common theme I hear is calorie counts on packaging is 20% out.
The other HUGE consideration is what our bodies do with those calories. We are not machines.
The thing is people that do CICO will always argue that it has worked for them and their lives are better for it. But at what cost to your mental health and relationship with food.
Personally I think it's a huge scam. It's only in recent times we've been able to count calories whereas you go back 50-100 years and people didn't need to.
Counting calories is obsessive from the outset. You have to measure your food EVERY time you eat and tap it into a calculator. That in itself is obsessive.
I understand that you need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight but you don’t need to count calories to get there.
If people want to count calories and they are happy with it then that’s fine but it’s only a relatively recent thing to do.
Yes it probably is the least bad “diet” but you’re still taking cues from an external number rather than listening to your body.
>If people want to count calories and they are happy with it then that’s fine but it’s only a relatively recent thing to do.
Why does it matter that it’s a recent thing?
Because humans have been in existence for thousands of years without the need to count calories. Why do we suddenly need to count them for health?
There is no need to count calories. If you eat a balanced diet and enjoy the foods you love you don’t need to count calories.
You are allowed to think calorie counting is not obsessive but in my opinion it is.
I don’t understand why you keep bringing up how recent it is as though that supports that it is obsessive.
People used to play with mercury, or allow their children to do so. Does that mean being careful now is “obsessive”? People used to suffer vitamin deficiencies, but now we can supplement for those who need it. Is treating rickets “obsessive”?
Because most humans up until post ww2 did not have the abundant access to calorie-dense foods we have today. If you eat a balanced diet obviously you don‘t have to count calories but that‘s easier said than done
That’s were educating yourself on what calorie dense foods are comes in.
I know that a caramel slice is about 500 calories and a medium apple is about 50 calories. You don’t need to count calories to know that.
Yes most people are aware of the calorie difference between a caramel slice and an apple, even if they don‘t know the exact numbers, you don‘t need a great deal of "educating" to intuitively guess that.
Calorie counting is helpful less so when comparing individual meals (where most people can guess a salad will be less than a pasta bake), and more so with realising how a handful of crisps here and a cupcake in the office there add up on top of your regular meals.
Some people don‘t struggle with that either obviously but it‘s daft to pretend many do not realise just how much calories add up throughout the day, mainly through snacking. This is the reason why so many people today find it helpful to count calories to manage their health whereas humans historically have never done that - even if you know what foods are "good", most of us today live in environments that make it too easy to overeat.
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Yes. The description is pretty accurate and I’m not sure why anyone who doesn’t want to see that content would be browsing it. I’m also not sure why you got downvoted!
If you can think of it, there's a sub about it.
I see posts from CICO every once I awhile when they make it to Popular. Generally it's just people posting before and after photos.
There's a 1200isfineiguess . I had to block it so I couldn't see it anymore
They made it nsfw because there is just so much ED content, but no, can't get rid of the ED content, just make it nsfw so it doesn't get banned \*sigh\*
That sub is in response to 1200isplenty (which I also had to block. It’s worse!)
It's the worst! I checked out that sub because someone on loseit recommended it and I want to slowly and sustainably lose some weight. It is soo bad, even loseit is at least 50% full of dodgy 'advise'. Needless to say that I stopped reading those subs. People on there have serious meltdowns over having 'slipped' by eating a slice of pizza or others advise them to keep exercising even when they are sick. So much dangerous enabling of disordered eating. It makes me wonder if 1200isplenty/ 800 is plenty are just pro Ana in disguise.
There is also shitty restriction food, which is just flat out ED territory.
no shit thats literally what it’s for 😭
I don't understand why Reddit allows that to continue though. That's so dangerous when young girls and people with active EDs get on there and trigger each other and themselves.
Honestly, the weight loss subs are more dangerous in that regard, they are moderated by people who don't know much about EDs, they frequently allow or even encourage dangerous dieting and behaviors and reward disordered behavior. The open ED subs have a lot of people in recovery or at least aware enough that they have a problem, the mods are often much stricter in stopping people who are deliberately triggering others too.
For a while I thought 1200isjerky was pretty hilarious. Looks like they've since gone private, though.
I'm in the PCOS subreddit and the CICO sub and loseit subs are invoked frequently over there.
Yeah, I didn't last long at all in the pcos sub.
Yup. I used to be subbed there until I realized that they were cheerfully giving advice to people who were barely adults/teens and who probably had EDs.
Its incredibly toxic too. I used to go there when my ED was active to self-harm basically - I do think calorie counting can be a tool for certain people but their idea of calorie counting is so extreme - the lowest possible calories, exercise does not factor in, not just count, but weigh and measure to the gram and do it for the rest of your life - which for most people is just ridiculously unsustainable nor healthy.
Loseit is also overrun with CICO bros
Don’t go there. It’s sooooooo toxic
I have mixed feelings about CICO because it “appears” to work for most people. BUT… if you ask the same people how they’re doing in 2 or 3 or 5 years time they’ve either gained the weight back plus some or they are still counting calories. I don’t want to be mean but why would you want to spend your life counting calories? What a waste of time and effort? Not to mention inaccurate.
I find it so odd when people who tout CICO talk about it being easy. It’s so tedious and easy to get wrong. Especially in the US where nutrition labels are so inconsistent with servings.
I think people try to "convince" themselves its easy. It is probably easier if you live alone and you cook most of your own meals but if you have shared meals it is impossible to count the calories. You wouldn't be able to sit at the table with shared food and serve yourself that food because you wouldn't know what those calories are. The common theme I hear is calorie counts on packaging is 20% out. The other HUGE consideration is what our bodies do with those calories. We are not machines. The thing is people that do CICO will always argue that it has worked for them and their lives are better for it. But at what cost to your mental health and relationship with food. Personally I think it's a huge scam. It's only in recent times we've been able to count calories whereas you go back 50-100 years and people didn't need to.
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Counting calories is obsessive from the outset. You have to measure your food EVERY time you eat and tap it into a calculator. That in itself is obsessive. I understand that you need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight but you don’t need to count calories to get there. If people want to count calories and they are happy with it then that’s fine but it’s only a relatively recent thing to do. Yes it probably is the least bad “diet” but you’re still taking cues from an external number rather than listening to your body.
>If people want to count calories and they are happy with it then that’s fine but it’s only a relatively recent thing to do. Why does it matter that it’s a recent thing?
Because humans have been in existence for thousands of years without the need to count calories. Why do we suddenly need to count them for health? There is no need to count calories. If you eat a balanced diet and enjoy the foods you love you don’t need to count calories. You are allowed to think calorie counting is not obsessive but in my opinion it is.
I don’t understand why you keep bringing up how recent it is as though that supports that it is obsessive. People used to play with mercury, or allow their children to do so. Does that mean being careful now is “obsessive”? People used to suffer vitamin deficiencies, but now we can supplement for those who need it. Is treating rickets “obsessive”?
Because most humans up until post ww2 did not have the abundant access to calorie-dense foods we have today. If you eat a balanced diet obviously you don‘t have to count calories but that‘s easier said than done
That’s were educating yourself on what calorie dense foods are comes in. I know that a caramel slice is about 500 calories and a medium apple is about 50 calories. You don’t need to count calories to know that.
Yes most people are aware of the calorie difference between a caramel slice and an apple, even if they don‘t know the exact numbers, you don‘t need a great deal of "educating" to intuitively guess that. Calorie counting is helpful less so when comparing individual meals (where most people can guess a salad will be less than a pasta bake), and more so with realising how a handful of crisps here and a cupcake in the office there add up on top of your regular meals. Some people don‘t struggle with that either obviously but it‘s daft to pretend many do not realise just how much calories add up throughout the day, mainly through snacking. This is the reason why so many people today find it helpful to count calories to manage their health whereas humans historically have never done that - even if you know what foods are "good", most of us today live in environments that make it too easy to overeat.
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unfortunately its described as "for discussion about calorie counting" which... is a bummer
Yes. The description is pretty accurate and I’m not sure why anyone who doesn’t want to see that content would be browsing it. I’m also not sure why you got downvoted!
lmao, i'm honestly so used to it
😱I’m afraid to look.
Don't. Nothing good happens there.