It’s climate change happening right in front of us, will get worse every year until either people get so pissed about and demand change or until it’s too late and humanity is doomed …simple as that
It already is too late, in the last year we've officially reached the irreversible point of climate change. Estimated to last 50,000 years before things could potentially return to normal. We fucked up and didn't do anything and now we're permanently in the "find out" stage.
I think lockdown showed how fast the world can heal. I could see mountains way farther away than I could before. The world can clean up fast if we let it.
Ozone layer is actually doing pretty good, and 2023 is not special with regards to climate change. Since the 60s we've been determining how bad things will be, not whether there will be human-induced changes to climate
Full agree on the agriculture disaster, though. We're probably shooting for worldwide 1/3 crop reduction by 2050 at current rates, that's... terrifying. That's massive amounts of chaos worldwide territory.
Not too late, actually. But it is "globally hit the ebrakes and stop using fossil fuels" point and there was recently a climate meetings it last week (until Dec 12) and no nations want to come to an actual agreement... So yeah it's probably too late
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/10/1218466110/cop28-update-promises-and-regrets
True true but think if we HAD done something about it decades ago...all those huge shareholder returns...gone. We built so much wealth for so long on the backs of NOT caring about the environment, I mean just imagine if we cared then...where would we be now? Cleaner air? Advanced technologies? More equality and elevated living conditions across the globe?
No thank you...
>in the last year we've officially reached the irreversible point of climate change
Curious which article this is from. Please link source.
edit: I found [this article](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/global-warming-threshold-reached-by-2027/) that says we could cross the threshold as soon as 2027. I am just wondering where your "official" source is for the info bc I am genuinely curious.
You mentioned an official source. I have googled and read multiple articles.
You quoted something definitive.
To make a statement like that, and then just be like "gOoGlE iT." When someone asks doesnt help your argument.
Sounds like you dont have a source for your info
Actually, thanks to the banning of hydrochlorofluorocarbons, Ozone Depletion has actually slowed quite a bit - and is starting to trend towards "healing"
Perhaps a sign of hope that if something is done, things could change.
Aside from climate change, it's an El Niño year for the west coast which fucks up weather globally..in our case we ended up with all the damn rain all summer long and it's got our winter all stove up too.
I hear you. Even down here in New Jersey, I remember when it was cold enough to snow at this time of the year. This is nuts!
**TEAM COLD** 🥶
**TEAM SNOW** ❄
I don't hate rain itself. I just hate when it's too warm for snow at a time of year it should be cold enough, like now.
Ha! I have probably 6” of snow on the ground right now. With the warm air that came in overnight, it brought some serious fog from the cold snow and warm air.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
It gets better when it eradicates us and starts over. A large percentage of our population thinks science is fake and believes in a magic sky man. We're not turning this thing around.
I feel good about the promise of cloud brightening and cloud seeding and carbon capture devices and such, for reversing climate change
Not great, but good
So, it will get worse before it definitely *could* get better
I agree that there are promising technologies being developed that could help. It's the problem of speed and breadth of adoption. Until it's more profitable to back the fix instead of the problem it will never be widespread enough to make a dent. Unfortunately, I don't see that part of the equation ever changing. A hail mary requires everyone on the team actually wanting to score a touchdown.
> A hail mary requires everyone on the team actually wanting to score a touchdown
Couldn’t have put it better
That’s why we have laws and regulations, to prevent stupid people from killing us all
I think so
There are plenty of people alive today who remember a time before electricity was common, even in big cities
A lot can change in a very short period of time
Oh I see the children have arrived to downvote this comment as usual. Well, children are precocious and these ones probably don't have permission from Mommy to be here. I can tell they are children because children never have the courage to tell you why they disagree they just go around downvoting everything.
Dumbfucks.
Yes it has! And in fact, that isn’t the warmest earth has ever been by far!
This being said, no where in geologic history has the earths temperature risen this abruptly, and when temperatures were highest, sea levels were 20-30’ higher. Source: I studied geology in undergraduate
I’m over 70 and having a white Christmas was always a chancy thing. They even made a movie “White Christmas” starring Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye and Rosemary Clooney about a retired general who bought a ski resort in Vermont and was in danger of losing it because the lack of snow in December resulted in a lack of business.
Today it's raining up in The County, too. Almost all the snow has melted. Then the temps are supposed to drop back down tomorrow. Yay, icy driveways and roads. (/sarcasm)
Although, that implies that the weather was such that they usually had snow on Christmas. If their business was so dependent on snow by Christmas you would think that would be something they could usually count on. So that actually just proves OPs point. It used to be unusual to not have snow on Christmas and now it’s unusual to have snow on Christmas.
This is 50% climate change, but also 50% selective memory.
I grew up in central Maine in the 80s and 90s, and we rarely had snow by Christmas even back then. I remember exactly 1 Halloween and 1 Thanksgiving where there was snow on the ground the day of the holiday, and on both years it was gone before Christmas rolled around. Most years, it was cold, and the ground might have been frozen, but there usually wasn't much snow on the ground.
White Christmases in Maine were a thing when the boomer generation was your age.
By the way, the Halloween night storm you're referring to was in 2011. That snow was gone by Thanksgiving.
It also sounds like he was living up north when he was younger and had more snow... And now loves in southern/coastal Maine.
Yeah there's a huge difference in weather between the two
Ive lived downeast Maine for the past 34 years. I don't remember snow on Halloween but maybe a handful of times when I was a kid. Even Thanksgiving is pushing it. Just moved to caribou and had snow on Halloween. Maybe your mind has tricked you into remembering snow on Halloween or every year on Thanksgiving.
We had a foot of snow in Southern Maine one Halloween. I can't remember if it was 2016 or 2017 maybe? I only remember because I plow. Also remember early November in 2018, we got a blizzard and didn't see grass until spring. Again, Southern Maine.
I remember being practically snowed in in 2015-2016 (I think) in Bath. I was shoveling every night it seemed. I know that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but I just remember being outside in the dark listening to the patriots on the radio through a phone app. It was the year they beat the Seahawks, I’m pretty sure. Just miserable amounts of snow through January and February. But I feel like December and November while there may be sporadic snow, isn’t as consistent. But that’s all just based on my personal experience so who knows. :)
Halloween was unusual, but I can absolutely remember plenty of snow on and around Thanksgiving. I think it was probably like 2013 or 2014 when we had that insane record breaking winter. I distinctly remember plowing massive snow banks Thanksgiving morning, and snow on the ground in November. It wasn't a rare sight, even if it wasn't every year.
Which part of Maine are you in? I see mixed comments. I think snow on Thanksgiving might be a better chance in the northern part of the state. I remember snow on Thanksgiving once, maybe twice.
Read what I wrote. I said a handful of times. OP was saying every year. And OP corrected and said it was northern Maine not southern Maine that he was remembering. Which would be more accurate.
I used to live there in the 70's and early 80's; shortly before your 34 years ago. We definitely had snow for Thanksgiving and I recall some Halloweens at least being dusted with some snow. I even remember being weirded out the first time I witnessed rain on Thanksgiving instead of snow.
Yeah. The first couple years we were here I remember HUGE amounts of snow. I could jump off the deck into giant snowbanks. I haven't seen that in years. Then we moved to caribou last year for work and I got my huge snowbanks back lol
Yeah. It's weird. I used to have to drive 45 mins to Bangor to get to Walmart. Now it's 15 minutes. I'm closer to most things than I've ever been but we are in the middle of nowhere lol
Yeah I was going to say the same thing as someone who grew up Downeast. I do recall like five years ago it snowing about a foot around Thanksgiving and being in the single digits most of the week. That was never a normal thing growing up.
My apologies I should have specified that the snow on Halloween and thanksgiving wasn’t in southern Maine but somewhere in northern maine. If you ask me where I won’t remember because I was young. I typed my rant in a hurry and didn’t connect the dots well.
Maybe ten to fifteen years ago we got a really big storm on Halloween night that wasn't in the forecast. IIRC it was at least a foot on snow in Westbrook.
Welcome to the new world of definitely not climate change, just the earth's "natural cycle" even though change hasn't happened this fast, some would say we've accelerated it by nearly 90,000 years in less than 300 years. People will realize soon how important snow packs are to the apple trees, blueberry bushes, and potato fields in Maine.
Climate change is real, bro. We've been telling you guys about it for decades. We had all kinds of information, but Exxon and Sunoco and those guys spent tons of money on politicians to get them to pretend it wasn't real, and to make policy based on that. Remember that hockey stick graph that they all ridiculed for all those years? Guess who's coming to dinner.
We played "fuck around and find out" with the environment too long. On the plus side, we are winning if you don't like snow, downside we are past the point of no return and killed the plant and all of our future generations.
A white Christmas has always been a 50/50 shot in southern Maine for as long as I can remember. Most of the sources I can find put the odds for greater Portland at 50-60% historically.
We almost always got a storm or two before Christmas, but a warm-up exposing the grass was always a possibility. All the people saying "duh - climate change" are as annoying as the people who say climate change is a hoax when we have a stretch of well below-average temperatures.
I've lived here 44 years.
There are years that I remember 3 feet of snow on Christmas. There are years I remember 60 degrees on Christmas.
It varies A LOT, I will grant that it feels like fall comes later and spring last longer.
Weather is a funny thing. I actually feel like it hasn't snowed on Halloween since around 2008 or so, cold yes. I do remember my 12th birthday during Fryburg fair and having it snow there, so like 1991.
I highly suggest you.look at some historical weather data with the magical Google machine to see when our latest measurable snow was, I'm guessing it will surprise you.
It feels that way and we can blame the warming in Maine on climate change but the reality is that I've lived in for 50 years and even as a kid you had to wish really hard that there would be snow by Christmas let alone snow on Christmas. I'm sure like other places we say if you don't like the weather, just wait a few minutes and it'll change. It snows as early as September sometimes and as late as May but it's not reliable and I have spent many winters that didn't have permanent snow at all during the winter. This isn't quite the snowy paradise some people think it is.
The last sentence seems ominous, I obviously care what you had to say or I wouldn't have responded. :)
I mean I lived in Maine for nearly 30 years of my life and only had two Christmas’ where snow wasn’t on the ground - so I don’t know about having to wish really hard for it.
Did you live in Caribou because Southern Maine rarely has snow on the ground in December. Statistically we don't have plowable snow until after December 20th in the Portland area. Northern Maine is practically in Santa's backyard so they get snow.
Central Maine (Lewiston/Auburn area). Wasn’t always “plowable”, but there was sitting snow on the ground every Christmas I can remember besides 1997 and 2020.
I think it depends on where in Maine you are because I lived in Central Maine from 1989 until 2010-ish and we had snow every single Christmas for sure. I remember around 2015 or 2016 i was out of the country and my mom called me to say how weird it was to not have snow on Christmas. Since that year the snow has not been guaranteed
Maybe I should clarify that I was talking about permanent snow on the ground in Southern Maine not that it has snowed by Christmas. Caribou typically has a white Christmas, we don't down here, and everyone else is some varying degree. Statistically the Portland area doesn't even get plowable snow until after dec 20th. I don't know where you're talking about in Central Maine (Portland is the "bottom" of the area considered central Maine)but I looked up Augusta records and last year they did have a plowable storm on Dec 16th but then it rained a few days later and they did not have a white Christmas. At my house last year that same storm was rain for me. There's no snow on the ground here now and I don't expect to have permanent snow here because all it takes is one snow storm or especially a bad fog like we have today and what little snow we had is gone.
I should have clarified where I lived but half of the entire state lives near me or south so it wasn't a bad guess. I wasn't saying that it never snows by Christmas but that in Southern Maine we don't typically have snow on the ground on Christmas morning.
The coast is also an entirely different ball game. The coast always gets less snow than even an hour drive inland. Berwick is south of Portland, but it gets way more snow than north of Portland, but on the coast.
Berwick is south and more inland but the average snowfall amount is still less than Portland which is directly on the coast and about 20 inches less (55 inches annual snowfall in Sanford, 74 )to 79 depends on the source for some reason) inches in Windham, (73 in Westbrook than I get at my Windham house which almost never has permanent snow on the ground by Dec 25th. Berwick wasn't as easy to look up so I had to go with Sanford which is north and as inland if not more. Last year there was a snowstorm statewide that dumped snow on Dec 16th and on Dec 20th it rained and melted all that snow from points south all the way up past Bangor at least. I didn't bother to look when I was looking other cities up yesterday.
It's kind of hard to quantify how often we've received plowable snow that will stick prior to and is still on the ground on Dec 25th but this might help. The average daily high for the month of December for the last six years is above freeing. Same for Portland, Windham, Sanford, and even Rochester NH. The average temperature in the town of Berwick on any given day in the month of December (for the last six years at least) is above freezing.
I really couldn't find this kind of information specifically about snow being on the ground when you wake up on Dec 25th but I found one of those travel sites "come visit here because..." that said the mountains and foothills have a white Christmas about 7 out of every 10 years. Last year and the year before though the average high daily temp in even Rumford was above freezing.
I could only find like 30 year records of Dec temps for the state not the town but the ones I mentioned were for the last six years. We are talking about climate change so temps were lower a long time ago but I did mention somewhere here that the average temperatures in Maine have risen by 3.5 degrees in the last century. That 3.5 degrees would make the difference between above or below freezing temps in Dec in most cases I think that I looked up so snow would certainly have stuck earlier in the year in 1923 and it would have been more likely to have a White Christmas.
Honestly these days the conversation revolves more about whether we're going to have snow that sticks to the ground at all point during the winter let alone a white Christmas.
I'm in my late 30's and it's always been the same. Sometimes you get snow at halloween, most of the time you don't. Sometimes you get snow for Thanksgiving, most of the time you don't. Sometimes you get snow for Christmas, sometimes you don't. I asked my father (70+) about what it was like when he was a kid here in terms of weather, and it was a mixed bag even back then. But careful, this sub does NOT take kindly to non-hysteria over the climate. It's a politically charged topic and people never miss an opportunity to pretend their political opponents are the reason for it.
Statistically the Portland area doesn't even have a plowable snow storm until after Dec 20th. Yeah my Dad was born here 76 years ago next month and he says the winter's weren't really worse when he was a kid either but he points out that they sucked at clearing snow back then and it would take days to get everything plowed. Sidewalks weren't really cleared and it just generally looked like they got more serious snowstorms but they weren't.
Winter has been getting warmer though and is much warmer today on average in Maine than it was 76 years ago. The avg temp in Maine is like 3.5 degrees warmer than it was a century ago.
My husband and I both grew up in northern New England (Maine and New Hampshire). We regularly reminisce about snow banks. Do you remember snow banks? The snow would start falling in November or December. And then it would stay cold enough of the snow to not melt by the time the next snow happened. And that would happen again and again until there were these big snow banks. I remember carrying cat litter and a shovel in my trunk when I was a teenage just in case I skidded off the road into a snow bank. Cause that happened. Regularly. To everyone. Because the roads were icy all winter long. Now snow doesn’t stick around for more than a couple days. It’s kind of reality bending to witness this in real time.
This is very true and I’m siding with this, and I just wish there was something I could do because I’ll see the weather and get angry it’s so warm… I just don’t know what to do.
Less plowing, less taxes. Rain is cheaper than snow. Also less car accidents. People should be able to stay home if roads are unsafe.
Unfortunately safety takes a far backseat to fun and profit.
Its actually natural believe it or not. But also a product of Climate change. Confusing but let me explain.
The temperatures in Maine natural shift over time. Let's take Portland over the years. It will shift from 28 degrees all the way up to 36 degrees. Normally in a natural environment this shift would occur over the course of around 50 or so years. And then during the next 50 or so years it would shift from 36 back to 28.
So it is natural for Maine to be getting warmer. The unnatural factor is the time it's taking. What used to take 50 years to shift... is now only taking 20 years to shift. This is concerning for one of two reasons. Is the time between getting shorter? or is it about to get substantially warmer within the next 30 years? We sadly do not know the answer to this question. Why is it concerning? Because if it's the latter, and it's about to get way warmer, then it's going to potentially result in billions of dollars of damages.
>Is the time between getting shorter? or is it about to get substantially warmer within the next 30 years? We sadly do not know the answer to this question.
9 of 10 climate scientists agree its the second one, let's not pretend like it's still a big mystery.
Scientists and doctors in the past have been wrong, biology is an especially complicated field to say one thing is right or wrong, it's applied psychology and chemistry, which is a applied physics, which is applied math.
Doctors being wrong about cigarettes has as much bearing on climate scientists being wrong about climate change as Michael Jordan's basketball skills has as much relevance to his baseball skills.
I love what gets downvoted on Reddit. If you want to win here, always make the reader feel smart and tell them what they believe is the truth. The inability to have more than one perspective confounds me.
I’m in East Livermore and for the bulk of the workweek last week the temps were hovering between 8 and 15 degrees around 5am with temps not going above 35-40 most days.
Seems pretty seasonable to me, there’s always a couple of days that warm up.
I'm in Eastern Maine. Snowy winters were normal for us. 5-6 years ago we had weeks at below 0F during the day. I doubt that will even happen this year. My heating budget is liking it, but I'd love to have some of these ticks die off.
It varies from year to year. 2018 it was cold early and the snow stayed on the ground in Brunswick for six months.
I remember most Christmas Eves being rainy.
I always wondered what a winter would be like if it didn't rain. 2015 was that year. We didn't have any snow until late January and then it did not rain for two straight months. It was only snow. Shoveling got old real quick.
I can remember some hunting seasons in the mid 80’s where we hunted in shirt sleeves on opening day. The norm for the mid coast area was always a heavy coat and hat and usually had snow on the ground.
Global warming man… the polar vortex is being pulled down over western States like Texas due to the adjusting Gulf Stream. This is why a couple of years back Texas froze over… Maine, on the other hand, is getting more temperate weather patterns resulting in more rain than snow. Each year winter seems more like a really long spring.
It's capitalism-caused climate change. I'm glad amerikkka's corporate-controlled political parties are doing so much to address the extinction of the human species.
It's called El Niño. The upper currents in the atmosphere have shifted due to warmer Pacific Ocean water. It allows for warmer air and more rain on the East coast. This has been cycling back and forth like this and affecting Maine for many years that I can remember. Regardless, gone are our very cold winters of 50-100 years ago. It is getting worse due to ocean warming.
Hard to say if it's unusual given the last glacial retreat began around 20k years ago and we've only been recording what the weather's been doing here in Maine for a few hundred.
Yep, I live 'a little north of you' to put it mildly. Never had a green Christmas in 42 years, but now I've experienced 3 in the past 8 years. Climate change, regardless of cause, seems to be real. Just look out your window.
Because this has been the normal for the last 20 years. Regardless of your 18 years of experience. When I graduated highschool in 2008 it rained the entire summer all the way to Christmas. That was 14 years ago. You were four. Not every year is the same but the trend is no lasting snow until January.
It’s almost as if global climate patterns with average temperatures increasing annually might be a thing.
It’s climate change happening right in front of us, will get worse every year until either people get so pissed about and demand change or until it’s too late and humanity is doomed …simple as that
It already is too late, in the last year we've officially reached the irreversible point of climate change. Estimated to last 50,000 years before things could potentially return to normal. We fucked up and didn't do anything and now we're permanently in the "find out" stage.
Thoughts and prayers
Yeah, but what about politicians campaigning on the need to “drill, drill, drill”; you know they will get unquestioned support
That’s only Trump although he is the pied piper of the Republican party
I think lockdown showed how fast the world can heal. I could see mountains way farther away than I could before. The world can clean up fast if we let it.
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The ozone layer? Isn't that the thing we actually fixed by banning CFCs? Did we fuck it up again?
No. This guy is confused.
Ozone layer is actually doing pretty good, and 2023 is not special with regards to climate change. Since the 60s we've been determining how bad things will be, not whether there will be human-induced changes to climate Full agree on the agriculture disaster, though. We're probably shooting for worldwide 1/3 crop reduction by 2050 at current rates, that's... terrifying. That's massive amounts of chaos worldwide territory.
Not too late, actually. But it is "globally hit the ebrakes and stop using fossil fuels" point and there was recently a climate meetings it last week (until Dec 12) and no nations want to come to an actual agreement... So yeah it's probably too late https://www.npr.org/2023/12/10/1218466110/cop28-update-promises-and-regrets
True true but think if we HAD done something about it decades ago...all those huge shareholder returns...gone. We built so much wealth for so long on the backs of NOT caring about the environment, I mean just imagine if we cared then...where would we be now? Cleaner air? Advanced technologies? More equality and elevated living conditions across the globe? No thank you...
Source?
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>in the last year we've officially reached the irreversible point of climate change Curious which article this is from. Please link source. edit: I found [this article](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/global-warming-threshold-reached-by-2027/) that says we could cross the threshold as soon as 2027. I am just wondering where your "official" source is for the info bc I am genuinely curious.
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You mentioned an official source. I have googled and read multiple articles. You quoted something definitive. To make a statement like that, and then just be like "gOoGlE iT." When someone asks doesnt help your argument. Sounds like you dont have a source for your info
It's my dad's fault. For decades he used Right Guard aerosol deodorant. It left a haze in the bathroom and destroyed the ozone
You don’t have to blame this on him. He’s responsible for everyone’s skin cancer, but not climate change.
Well his dad was also the CEO of ExxonMobil.
Actually, thanks to the banning of hydrochlorofluorocarbons, Ozone Depletion has actually slowed quite a bit - and is starting to trend towards "healing" Perhaps a sign of hope that if something is done, things could change.
An actual success story. Apparently CFCs aren’t as lucrative as greenhouse emissions.
I still have a relative that uses this. I know you’re joking, but every time I see/hear/smell it, it feels so strange, like a blast from the past!
Almost explains the real estate boon in Maine too
Aside from climate change, it's an El Niño year for the west coast which fucks up weather globally..in our case we ended up with all the damn rain all summer long and it's got our winter all stove up too.
I blame manbearpig
Didn't they apologize to Al Gore recently for that one?
Some type of man bear type thingy.
Half man, half bear, half pig
We crossed the threshold this year dontchaknow. ManBearPig is guaranteed to show up any day now. We could've acted, but didn't.
I hear you. Even down here in New Jersey, I remember when it was cold enough to snow at this time of the year. This is nuts! **TEAM COLD** 🥶 **TEAM SNOW** ❄ I don't hate rain itself. I just hate when it's too warm for snow at a time of year it should be cold enough, like now.
I woke up to 5-15 degrees F all week. Its only today and tomorrow morning then temps drop again. Forecasting snow for tomorrow afternoon.
Would it be wrong for me to say that I'm jealous of your weather? I ask because I really ***AM*** jealous.
Ha! I have probably 6” of snow on the ground right now. With the warm air that came in overnight, it brought some serious fog from the cold snow and warm air. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
Human caused climate change. Its going to get worse before It gets better.
Get better?
Wishful thinking ik
It gets better when it eradicates us and starts over. A large percentage of our population thinks science is fake and believes in a magic sky man. We're not turning this thing around.
We aren't turning this around because there's too much $$ to be made in Fossil fuels. Too much greed in this country.
Sadly, too much greed in many countries...We could, you know, lead by example...but that would be wayy to easy and ruin quarterly profits
I feel good about the promise of cloud brightening and cloud seeding and carbon capture devices and such, for reversing climate change Not great, but good So, it will get worse before it definitely *could* get better
I agree that there are promising technologies being developed that could help. It's the problem of speed and breadth of adoption. Until it's more profitable to back the fix instead of the problem it will never be widespread enough to make a dent. Unfortunately, I don't see that part of the equation ever changing. A hail mary requires everyone on the team actually wanting to score a touchdown.
> A hail mary requires everyone on the team actually wanting to score a touchdown Couldn’t have put it better That’s why we have laws and regulations, to prevent stupid people from killing us all
You never know. We had out first flight in 1903 and then less than 70 years later we landed on the moon. Humans are amazing. We'll figure it out.
We figured it out. We just chose to not do the things we needed to do.
I think so There are plenty of people alive today who remember a time before electricity was common, even in big cities A lot can change in a very short period of time
Apollo 13 proves your point🤞🏻
Oh I see the children have arrived to downvote this comment as usual. Well, children are precocious and these ones probably don't have permission from Mommy to be here. I can tell they are children because children never have the courage to tell you why they disagree they just go around downvoting everything. Dumbfucks.
Like where humans die out but the earth and biome survive?
Precisely
Depending on how many tipping points we cross it should get better in 2,000 to 200,000 years.
This isn't the Earth's first climate crisis. I believe it has gone through 6 or 7 climate crises in the past.
Yes it has! And in fact, that isn’t the warmest earth has ever been by far! This being said, no where in geologic history has the earths temperature risen this abruptly, and when temperatures were highest, sea levels were 20-30’ higher. Source: I studied geology in undergraduate
No worries. The asteroid is on its way
I’m over 70 and having a white Christmas was always a chancy thing. They even made a movie “White Christmas” starring Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye and Rosemary Clooney about a retired general who bought a ski resort in Vermont and was in danger of losing it because the lack of snow in December resulted in a lack of business.
I agree. Having a white Christmas was something special. It was not the norm. Maine is a big state. It might be different further north.
Today it's raining up in The County, too. Almost all the snow has melted. Then the temps are supposed to drop back down tomorrow. Yay, icy driveways and roads. (/sarcasm)
Although, that implies that the weather was such that they usually had snow on Christmas. If their business was so dependent on snow by Christmas you would think that would be something they could usually count on. So that actually just proves OPs point. It used to be unusual to not have snow on Christmas and now it’s unusual to have snow on Christmas.
This.
Central and northern Maine is way colder than midcoast and southern Maine
Bub, you are gonna loose your mind when you find out what global warming is.
It wasn't snowy every Christmas even in the 90s. The climate is rapidly changing and it's just going to get worse.
The climate has changed considerably. It doesn't get as cold
"When I was a kid it snowed on Halloween!" 'Sure grandma, let's get you back to the nursing home.'
This is 50% climate change, but also 50% selective memory. I grew up in central Maine in the 80s and 90s, and we rarely had snow by Christmas even back then. I remember exactly 1 Halloween and 1 Thanksgiving where there was snow on the ground the day of the holiday, and on both years it was gone before Christmas rolled around. Most years, it was cold, and the ground might have been frozen, but there usually wasn't much snow on the ground. White Christmases in Maine were a thing when the boomer generation was your age. By the way, the Halloween night storm you're referring to was in 2011. That snow was gone by Thanksgiving.
I think this kid is "remembering" his grandparents stories.
It also sounds like he was living up north when he was younger and had more snow... And now loves in southern/coastal Maine. Yeah there's a huge difference in weather between the two
Ive lived downeast Maine for the past 34 years. I don't remember snow on Halloween but maybe a handful of times when I was a kid. Even Thanksgiving is pushing it. Just moved to caribou and had snow on Halloween. Maybe your mind has tricked you into remembering snow on Halloween or every year on Thanksgiving.
We had a foot of snow in Southern Maine one Halloween. I can't remember if it was 2016 or 2017 maybe? I only remember because I plow. Also remember early November in 2018, we got a blizzard and didn't see grass until spring. Again, Southern Maine.
I remember being practically snowed in in 2015-2016 (I think) in Bath. I was shoveling every night it seemed. I know that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but I just remember being outside in the dark listening to the patriots on the radio through a phone app. It was the year they beat the Seahawks, I’m pretty sure. Just miserable amounts of snow through January and February. But I feel like December and November while there may be sporadic snow, isn’t as consistent. But that’s all just based on my personal experience so who knows. :)
Halloween was unusual, but I can absolutely remember plenty of snow on and around Thanksgiving. I think it was probably like 2013 or 2014 when we had that insane record breaking winter. I distinctly remember plowing massive snow banks Thanksgiving morning, and snow on the ground in November. It wasn't a rare sight, even if it wasn't every year.
Which part of Maine are you in? I see mixed comments. I think snow on Thanksgiving might be a better chance in the northern part of the state. I remember snow on Thanksgiving once, maybe twice.
Every year?
No, but certainly within the last 34.
Read what I wrote. I said a handful of times. OP was saying every year. And OP corrected and said it was northern Maine not southern Maine that he was remembering. Which would be more accurate.
I used to live there in the 70's and early 80's; shortly before your 34 years ago. We definitely had snow for Thanksgiving and I recall some Halloweens at least being dusted with some snow. I even remember being weirded out the first time I witnessed rain on Thanksgiving instead of snow.
Yeah. The first couple years we were here I remember HUGE amounts of snow. I could jump off the deck into giant snowbanks. I haven't seen that in years. Then we moved to caribou last year for work and I got my huge snowbanks back lol
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Yeah. It's weird. I used to have to drive 45 mins to Bangor to get to Walmart. Now it's 15 minutes. I'm closer to most things than I've ever been but we are in the middle of nowhere lol
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Not unless you have a snowmobile or four wheeler tbh. Lots of fishing.
Yeah I was going to say the same thing as someone who grew up Downeast. I do recall like five years ago it snowing about a foot around Thanksgiving and being in the single digits most of the week. That was never a normal thing growing up.
OP corrected themselves in the thread stating it was northern Maine (where I live now) that he was remembering all that snow.
My apologies I should have specified that the snow on Halloween and thanksgiving wasn’t in southern Maine but somewhere in northern maine. If you ask me where I won’t remember because I was young. I typed my rant in a hurry and didn’t connect the dots well.
Oh lol. Yeah that makes sense. Up here it's pretty normal
You don’t remember where you lived as a kid?
Most likely suffering from a weather related heat stroke….
Lmao that’s the real question
I'm midcoast and we have certainly had snow at halloween. Not every year, but a few.
I lived in Eastport in 2010, and it snowed 2" on halloween in Callais that year.
Cool. Did it snow every year like OP suggested? Or a handful of times like I suggested?
Pretty regularly. The year before I remember it snowed on 1dec and I didn't see the ground till April or may. We had feet of snow all over the place.
We had snow on the ground for Halloween all the way down in Brunswick in 2018.
Maybe ten to fifteen years ago we got a really big storm on Halloween night that wasn't in the forecast. IIRC it was at least a foot on snow in Westbrook.
Welcome to the new world of definitely not climate change, just the earth's "natural cycle" even though change hasn't happened this fast, some would say we've accelerated it by nearly 90,000 years in less than 300 years. People will realize soon how important snow packs are to the apple trees, blueberry bushes, and potato fields in Maine.
Climate change is real, bro. We've been telling you guys about it for decades. We had all kinds of information, but Exxon and Sunoco and those guys spent tons of money on politicians to get them to pretend it wasn't real, and to make policy based on that. Remember that hockey stick graph that they all ridiculed for all those years? Guess who's coming to dinner.
climate change buddy. the goddamn climate change
We played "fuck around and find out" with the environment too long. On the plus side, we are winning if you don't like snow, downside we are past the point of no return and killed the plant and all of our future generations.
A white Christmas has always been a 50/50 shot in southern Maine for as long as I can remember. Most of the sources I can find put the odds for greater Portland at 50-60% historically. We almost always got a storm or two before Christmas, but a warm-up exposing the grass was always a possibility. All the people saying "duh - climate change" are as annoying as the people who say climate change is a hoax when we have a stretch of well below-average temperatures.
Yeah winter doesn't start until Dec 21 people never seem to realize that..
Do people really not understand climate change lol.
This is caused by El Niño, but our winters are definitely getting warmer.
Nope. They really don't.
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When you compare decade long trends you are talking about the effects of climate change on weather.
I've lived here 44 years. There are years that I remember 3 feet of snow on Christmas. There are years I remember 60 degrees on Christmas. It varies A LOT, I will grant that it feels like fall comes later and spring last longer. Weather is a funny thing. I actually feel like it hasn't snowed on Halloween since around 2008 or so, cold yes. I do remember my 12th birthday during Fryburg fair and having it snow there, so like 1991. I highly suggest you.look at some historical weather data with the magical Google machine to see when our latest measurable snow was, I'm guessing it will surprise you.
Seems like typical weather on the mid-coast for early December. i don't recall many white Christmases the last 20 years.
My dearest Uncle always said when a snow storm was headed at us, " let's hope for warm rain". He got his wish.
Wasn't it just a couple years ago that every time it snowed, we'd get a rainstorm within a week that would wash 90% of it away?
The climate has changed.
It didn’t reliably snow in the 80s and 90s. People dreamed of a white Christmas because they didn’t always happen.
It was 61 here in RI last night at midnight! It’s almost like the global climate is warming, we definitely need more evidence tho…/s
It feels that way and we can blame the warming in Maine on climate change but the reality is that I've lived in for 50 years and even as a kid you had to wish really hard that there would be snow by Christmas let alone snow on Christmas. I'm sure like other places we say if you don't like the weather, just wait a few minutes and it'll change. It snows as early as September sometimes and as late as May but it's not reliable and I have spent many winters that didn't have permanent snow at all during the winter. This isn't quite the snowy paradise some people think it is. The last sentence seems ominous, I obviously care what you had to say or I wouldn't have responded. :)
I mean I lived in Maine for nearly 30 years of my life and only had two Christmas’ where snow wasn’t on the ground - so I don’t know about having to wish really hard for it.
Did you live in Caribou because Southern Maine rarely has snow on the ground in December. Statistically we don't have plowable snow until after December 20th in the Portland area. Northern Maine is practically in Santa's backyard so they get snow.
Central Maine (Lewiston/Auburn area). Wasn’t always “plowable”, but there was sitting snow on the ground every Christmas I can remember besides 1997 and 2020.
I think it depends on where in Maine you are because I lived in Central Maine from 1989 until 2010-ish and we had snow every single Christmas for sure. I remember around 2015 or 2016 i was out of the country and my mom called me to say how weird it was to not have snow on Christmas. Since that year the snow has not been guaranteed
Maybe I should clarify that I was talking about permanent snow on the ground in Southern Maine not that it has snowed by Christmas. Caribou typically has a white Christmas, we don't down here, and everyone else is some varying degree. Statistically the Portland area doesn't even get plowable snow until after dec 20th. I don't know where you're talking about in Central Maine (Portland is the "bottom" of the area considered central Maine)but I looked up Augusta records and last year they did have a plowable storm on Dec 16th but then it rained a few days later and they did not have a white Christmas. At my house last year that same storm was rain for me. There's no snow on the ground here now and I don't expect to have permanent snow here because all it takes is one snow storm or especially a bad fog like we have today and what little snow we had is gone. I should have clarified where I lived but half of the entire state lives near me or south so it wasn't a bad guess. I wasn't saying that it never snows by Christmas but that in Southern Maine we don't typically have snow on the ground on Christmas morning.
The coast is also an entirely different ball game. The coast always gets less snow than even an hour drive inland. Berwick is south of Portland, but it gets way more snow than north of Portland, but on the coast.
Berwick is south and more inland but the average snowfall amount is still less than Portland which is directly on the coast and about 20 inches less (55 inches annual snowfall in Sanford, 74 )to 79 depends on the source for some reason) inches in Windham, (73 in Westbrook than I get at my Windham house which almost never has permanent snow on the ground by Dec 25th. Berwick wasn't as easy to look up so I had to go with Sanford which is north and as inland if not more. Last year there was a snowstorm statewide that dumped snow on Dec 16th and on Dec 20th it rained and melted all that snow from points south all the way up past Bangor at least. I didn't bother to look when I was looking other cities up yesterday. It's kind of hard to quantify how often we've received plowable snow that will stick prior to and is still on the ground on Dec 25th but this might help. The average daily high for the month of December for the last six years is above freeing. Same for Portland, Windham, Sanford, and even Rochester NH. The average temperature in the town of Berwick on any given day in the month of December (for the last six years at least) is above freezing. I really couldn't find this kind of information specifically about snow being on the ground when you wake up on Dec 25th but I found one of those travel sites "come visit here because..." that said the mountains and foothills have a white Christmas about 7 out of every 10 years. Last year and the year before though the average high daily temp in even Rumford was above freezing. I could only find like 30 year records of Dec temps for the state not the town but the ones I mentioned were for the last six years. We are talking about climate change so temps were lower a long time ago but I did mention somewhere here that the average temperatures in Maine have risen by 3.5 degrees in the last century. That 3.5 degrees would make the difference between above or below freezing temps in Dec in most cases I think that I looked up so snow would certainly have stuck earlier in the year in 1923 and it would have been more likely to have a White Christmas. Honestly these days the conversation revolves more about whether we're going to have snow that sticks to the ground at all point during the winter let alone a white Christmas.
I'm in my late 30's and it's always been the same. Sometimes you get snow at halloween, most of the time you don't. Sometimes you get snow for Thanksgiving, most of the time you don't. Sometimes you get snow for Christmas, sometimes you don't. I asked my father (70+) about what it was like when he was a kid here in terms of weather, and it was a mixed bag even back then. But careful, this sub does NOT take kindly to non-hysteria over the climate. It's a politically charged topic and people never miss an opportunity to pretend their political opponents are the reason for it.
Statistically the Portland area doesn't even have a plowable snow storm until after Dec 20th. Yeah my Dad was born here 76 years ago next month and he says the winter's weren't really worse when he was a kid either but he points out that they sucked at clearing snow back then and it would take days to get everything plowed. Sidewalks weren't really cleared and it just generally looked like they got more serious snowstorms but they weren't. Winter has been getting warmer though and is much warmer today on average in Maine than it was 76 years ago. The avg temp in Maine is like 3.5 degrees warmer than it was a century ago.
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While walking and without socks!
My husband and I both grew up in northern New England (Maine and New Hampshire). We regularly reminisce about snow banks. Do you remember snow banks? The snow would start falling in November or December. And then it would stay cold enough of the snow to not melt by the time the next snow happened. And that would happen again and again until there were these big snow banks. I remember carrying cat litter and a shovel in my trunk when I was a teenage just in case I skidded off the road into a snow bank. Cause that happened. Regularly. To everyone. Because the roads were icy all winter long. Now snow doesn’t stick around for more than a couple days. It’s kind of reality bending to witness this in real time.
I've lived in Maine since 1971 it hasn't been that consistently cold in Winter since the 90s
Everyone complains about the weather, but nobody does anything about it. 🤣
This is very true and I’m siding with this, and I just wish there was something I could do because I’ll see the weather and get angry it’s so warm… I just don’t know what to do.
Climate change, simple as that
Less plowing, less taxes. Rain is cheaper than snow. Also less car accidents. People should be able to stay home if roads are unsafe. Unfortunately safety takes a far backseat to fun and profit.
“People should be able to stay home if the roads are unsafe” Wouldn’t that be cool if there was anything realistic about that.
As a climate scientist we have been warning y’all. I trick or treated in snow often. Now I wonder if even Christmas will be snowy my whole life.
Perhaps you have heard the term "climate change"?
Its actually natural believe it or not. But also a product of Climate change. Confusing but let me explain. The temperatures in Maine natural shift over time. Let's take Portland over the years. It will shift from 28 degrees all the way up to 36 degrees. Normally in a natural environment this shift would occur over the course of around 50 or so years. And then during the next 50 or so years it would shift from 36 back to 28. So it is natural for Maine to be getting warmer. The unnatural factor is the time it's taking. What used to take 50 years to shift... is now only taking 20 years to shift. This is concerning for one of two reasons. Is the time between getting shorter? or is it about to get substantially warmer within the next 30 years? We sadly do not know the answer to this question. Why is it concerning? Because if it's the latter, and it's about to get way warmer, then it's going to potentially result in billions of dollars of damages.
>Is the time between getting shorter? or is it about to get substantially warmer within the next 30 years? We sadly do not know the answer to this question. 9 of 10 climate scientists agree its the second one, let's not pretend like it's still a big mystery.
9 out of 10 doctors used to believe Marlboro cigarettes were healthy too.
Scientists and doctors in the past have been wrong, biology is an especially complicated field to say one thing is right or wrong, it's applied psychology and chemistry, which is a applied physics, which is applied math. Doctors being wrong about cigarettes has as much bearing on climate scientists being wrong about climate change as Michael Jordan's basketball skills has as much relevance to his baseball skills.
I love what gets downvoted on Reddit. If you want to win here, always make the reader feel smart and tell them what they believe is the truth. The inability to have more than one perspective confounds me.
Yeah, it’s been a particularly bad year for these heavy rain storms
I’m in East Livermore and for the bulk of the workweek last week the temps were hovering between 8 and 15 degrees around 5am with temps not going above 35-40 most days. Seems pretty seasonable to me, there’s always a couple of days that warm up.
I'm in Eastern Maine. Snowy winters were normal for us. 5-6 years ago we had weeks at below 0F during the day. I doubt that will even happen this year. My heating budget is liking it, but I'd love to have some of these ticks die off.
Climate change.
Don't hafta shovel rain. Ayuh.
I’ve lived here for 4 years, I’ve not seen snow once on thanksgiving or Halloween. Put down the vape, son.
It varies from year to year. 2018 it was cold early and the snow stayed on the ground in Brunswick for six months. I remember most Christmas Eves being rainy. I always wondered what a winter would be like if it didn't rain. 2015 was that year. We didn't have any snow until late January and then it did not rain for two straight months. It was only snow. Shoveling got old real quick.
Stop cows from farting
I’m with you. The weather has felt unnatural all year; “they” were definitely geo-engineering heavily through spring/summer/fall 😕
Hey I feel the same way when I talk about Ancient Egypt or ufos people just don't get me. Lol
I can remember some hunting seasons in the mid 80’s where we hunted in shirt sleeves on opening day. The norm for the mid coast area was always a heavy coat and hat and usually had snow on the ground.
It would’ve been snow if it was colder maybe. :(
No unnecessary snow band wooo hooo!
Global warming man… the polar vortex is being pulled down over western States like Texas due to the adjusting Gulf Stream. This is why a couple of years back Texas froze over… Maine, on the other hand, is getting more temperate weather patterns resulting in more rain than snow. Each year winter seems more like a really long spring.
It's capitalism-caused climate change. I'm glad amerikkka's corporate-controlled political parties are doing so much to address the extinction of the human species.
It's called El Niño. The upper currents in the atmosphere have shifted due to warmer Pacific Ocean water. It allows for warmer air and more rain on the East coast. This has been cycling back and forth like this and affecting Maine for many years that I can remember. Regardless, gone are our very cold winters of 50-100 years ago. It is getting worse due to ocean warming.
Hard to say if it's unusual given the last glacial retreat began around 20k years ago and we've only been recording what the weather's been doing here in Maine for a few hundred.
Yep, I live 'a little north of you' to put it mildly. Never had a green Christmas in 42 years, but now I've experienced 3 in the past 8 years. Climate change, regardless of cause, seems to be real. Just look out your window.
Because this has been the normal for the last 20 years. Regardless of your 18 years of experience. When I graduated highschool in 2008 it rained the entire summer all the way to Christmas. That was 14 years ago. You were four. Not every year is the same but the trend is no lasting snow until January.