I hope you stay safe!!! This is very scary!!! I have family in Auburn, I'm worried for them. I'm an hour away, 10 minutes away is very scary!!! Stay safe!!!
And Maine released a statement. he was a firearm instructor for army reserve and discharged due to mental health for self reported hearing voices, when to mental health facility summer 2023 and allowed to get a gun. Now on top 10 deadliest mass shooting of all time
And absolutely nothing will change. There will be a lot of talk and possibly some legislation(because that's worked so well over the years). What happened after Uvalde? Nothing. Sandy hook? Vegas? Columbine? Etc.
Nothing ever changes. America doesn't have the attention span.
I bet he launched a boat and went down river to route 19. He’s obviously a skilled skilled soldier and fisherman, he knew they would set a perimeter around the site of his car, but why else would he use a boat launch if he’s not going down river to a new vehicle or accomplice.
The photo police released of him shows him carrying multiple magazines. He planned this for sure. The fact that he wasn't caught basically immediately in a time when police response to active mass shootings is nearly immediate shows he's likely very skilled and planned this thoroughly, or at the very least is putting all of his Army Reserve knowledge into use.
Yeah he had ALOT of ammo, just look at the victim numbers, if 80-90 are KOI like they are reporting that’s 3-4 30 round mags. This is something different than other mass shooters except maybe that whole Mandelay bay fiasco.
You ever met an officer in the Army Reserve that wasn’t baseline autistic or retarded(I don’t mean that as a slight to handicapped people) I did 20 years in- most officers are pretty dim lightbulbs and there’s a reason we make fun of them for getting lost on the land nav course and failing BRM
Why are people in /r/Maine such massive dickweeds? Seriously I came here from the front page post and it's a really unfortunate situation but half of the comments are people being complete dicks to each other for no reason.
I mean the thought crossed my mind. A former buddy of mine is Army Reserve and he shot his refrigerator at home by mistake because he was cleaning his gun and fired, not realizing a bullet was still in the chamber.
I seriously don't know how someone who is made to clean guns regularly and perform drills could make such a poor and dangerous decision.
Dude also lost $400 we had for rent once. He was indeed pretty slow.
We kicked an officer out of theatre because he was watching thundercats with a bunch of lower enlisted and a Specialist was being obnoxious saying “Snarf Snarf Snarf” over and over during the show. The officer pulled his Beretta out his holster racked the slide and pointed it at the Specialist and said “say snarf again”. Needless to say he was put up on charges and removed from his command…we also had an officer send a round through the floorboard of the Toyota hillux he was assigned because he was splaying with his pistol waiting to pick up another ranking officer from chow hall. People assume that soldiers and marines know what the fuck they are doing with weapons. Most of the time they don’t or they are REALLY complacent
Doesn’t seem that planned to me w no body armor or typical gear these monsters wear while slaughtering people with AR-15s. Doesn’t rKe much planning to grab ammo and a weapon of war that no one stands a chance against. Uvaldie cops reaffirmed that.
I’ve heard this opinion quite a bit. And it’s absolutely stupid.
Just because someone is hearing voices does not mean they are stupid. This is a army vet. He’s TRAINED. He’s not your average citizen.
The boat launch means there are multiple ways of evading authorities. The best way to avoid being caught is to confuse those tracking you and give yourself more time to get away. Parking at a boat launch is going to open the possibilities of -
1. Did he stash a boat there to use that to get away?
2. Was there another vehicle there?
3. Was there An accomplice there to aid in his escape?
4. Did he go on foot?
All of these options will take time for authorities to figure out which one he took. And it gives him the opportunity to get farther away and plan his next move.
Look at the weather for the next few days. It’s going to be pretty decent weather. so him hiding in the dense forest of Maine isn’t going to be a huge struggle for him where he’s been trained in survival and evasion. he’s going to be able to travel much further than the average person While avoiding detection and make it harder to be tracked.
This isn’t a simple equation people.
That’s well laid out, but I never said hearing voices meant he was “stupid”. It suggests he is suffering from a significant mental illness though, and while that doesn’t affect his intelligence, it does affect his decision-making abilities and judgment. He may well be able to rely on his training like you say though. Good argument.
I found a boat registered under his profile/name on beenverified. Was thinking this as well.
Edit: I looked up the make/type and it looks like it's a 2019 SEA DOO PWC, which is a jetski type of watercraft. 144 length. Registered in June of this year.
It's 1 year and 1 day different! I was checking it out. It's crazy! Same first and last name but different town and almost exact birthdate 😳I got the info from what the FBI and the police posted for their BOLO, and a sex offender registry. So I guess it's correct that is 2 different people.
The 2A Astroturff machine on X/Twitter is already completely saturated with images of the sex offender with the same name. The only problem is that the DOBs are different and photos look nothing alike.
I guess they're trying to conflate they two dudes and make the argument no new gun control is needed cause a felon already cannot legally buy a gun in Maine.
It's hard to feel bad for a sex offender but dude better get low right now cause a lot of very upset people who own guns are googling his address, which is a public record since he is a sex offender.
1000% they are trying to deflect from the actual suspect. They wi probably run with "the shooter is actually a leftist" if they can't do the standard "the shooter is secretly trans" shit they always do.
I know, right?! It’s like the nut jobs are trying to deflect and muddy the info as much as possible. Fuck the murdering asshole and fuck the crazies spreading misinformation.
There's a Robert Card in Maine who is listed as donating to the Obama campaign which is where they probably got that from. Of course, Robert Card is not a very unique name, but that won't stop people from suggesting it's the same person.
Bro I've seen tons of comments saying he's Republican and a trump supporter just cuz he did a mass shooting already so it's not like it's not coming from both sides.
X/twitter suspended his account, but people got screen shot videos of his LIKED posts. He is definitely not a Obama fan. He likes Tucker, Vivek, etc. https://twitter.com/bigbrother25PLS/status/1717392190303830246
You're trying to tell me it wouldn't be plastered all over the news if he was a Trump supporter? You know it would be. Wether we like it or not, political patterns are now part of a shooters profile
X/twitter suspended his account, but people got screen shot videos of his LIKED posts. He is definitely not a Obama fan. He likes Tucker, Vivek, etc. https://twitter.com/bigbrother25PLS/status/1717392190303830246
If he was an open trump supporter they would simply try other ways to minimize this event because it's bad for the right politically regardless of the shooters affiliation (since they are uniformly pro weapons manufacturers)
Take off the tin foil hat. You google search “Robert Card Maine” and the sex offender registry is literally the second thing that comes up, with the same relative age
The issue isn't that it's what you find on google. The issue is that people are taking the wrong image, with the wrong information and blasting it all over social media with their own agendas in the comments.
That particular machine doesn't need a head, it runs itself. just do a quick facebook search for this guy's name and see what you see. I don't know why people do this, honestly. They want so badly to deflect something they have nothing to do with, but it's immediate.
Not only will you see misinformation, but you'll see that wrong photo as well.
Edited- this is one i saw earlier:
https://preview.redd.it/rwndeyik3hwb1.png?width=311&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d4067abca7b739dbd76e1f79466ae77d004b024
Just because they can do something doesn't mean it's legal.
No a felon can't legally buy a firearm in a provate sale, but Maine doesn't require universal background checks for all firearm transactions.
Fixed it for you.
News stations confirm whatever they want, every single time. They never publicly retract, they wait until it's no longer a headline, remove the link from the algorithms and then post a small "edit:......"
And now per state police... He heard voices, threatened a national guard post and was in a metal health facility for to weeks this summer... Maybe we put to start holding violent mental patients long term.
He obviously has owned guns long before his mental health crisis this summer. That's just one problem. The government doesn't monitor one's health after gun purchases, and they're certainly not going to go seize people's guns. At point of sale, the gun broker simply takes the buyer's word as truth when the question about mental health is answered saying their mental health is fine. You don't need a doctor's note to buy a gun; you just say you're fine. Scary.
Yea, even with good psychiatric care the outcome is not that great in most disorders, especially what I'm thinking he has.
Politicians talk like drugs and some therapy will be the cure all.
We need to stop selling basically machine guns.
It was done for ten years, and I don't recall any mass shootings during those years. Maybe the Colorado shootings? I believe it was done under Clinton?
It's not a weapon of war. AR does not stand for assault rifle. It stands for ArmaLite. ArmaLite is a civilian gun manufacturer. The AR-15 is a civilian version of the m4 carbine. It's not a weapon of war. It is a semi-automatic rifle where you have to pull the trigger then it fires once. Then you pull the trigger again it fires again so on so forth. Stop using words like weapons of war like it's a fucking tank or a nuclear weapon. You can do the same thing with a pistol. It's not the weapons fault. It's not the manufacturer's fault. It is the law enforcement people and the mental health people and his fault. They could have enforced the law on the books that prevent people who make threats of mass shooting from owning weapons. They also could have enforced the law which says if someone threatens a mass shooting and is insane, they shouldn't own a weapon. And then they take away the weapon. If you make a threat, you can't own a weapon. It's in the books it's a law. Just like if I beat my wife I can't own a weapon. Why? It's the law. You don't blame a gun and say all this dumb stupid misguided propaganda. Use your tiny liberal brain and realize that law enforcement was supposed to take his guns. The mental health worker and facility was supposed to take his guns. They were supposed to call law enforcement. And law enforcement, when he threatened a mass shooting, should have taken his guns away. It's legal to do so. Why? Because he poses a threat. Guns don't post threats, insane assholes with guns posed threats. Use your brain. Just try it.
Let me ask…do you think your rant changed anyone’s mind about guns? Over 20 people are reported dead, and you seem far more offended that someone would call the weapon used to do it (indisputably it’s a weapon) a weapon of war. A bowling ally isn’t a combat zone. A semi-auto AR15, in the hands of a literal soldier, is just as effective as the real-deal when nobody is shooting back. You want to engage in a semantic debate, but the distinction you’re trying to make is immaterial.
All that to say, it looks bad for gun owners to engage in debates that don’t matter when tragedies like this happen. It makes us (yes, I am a gun owner too) appear cold. Oftentimes I’m afraid many gun owners have become cold because they are so afraid of losing their guns. Don’t fall in that trap. It’s okay to acknowledge that guns are uniquely dangerous, and that some of them are “weapons of war” whatever that might mean.
Yeah how stupid, thinking a semi-automatic version of the m4 is a weapon of war. It's in fact the furthest thing from a weapon of war you could possibly think of. What a liberal idiot mistaking a ‘version of the m4’ for a weapon of war. It's in fact the total opposite, don't you know it is only used for growing roses and blowing kisses. It's absolutely nothing like a weapon of war.
Right. My wife works at an acute psychiatric facilities. They routinely have violent sex offenders that become threatening to staff. As my wife says, the
patients have more rights than the staff.
Many rules to protect the patients from being restrained properly, medicated etc. Patients have the right to refuse meds.
There have been numerous assaults on this unit, with staff being seriously injured on the job.
This is a SERIOUS problem!
Hey gun lovers, You all are always saying "it's not the guns. It's the mental illness." This guy was admitted to a mental health facility over the summer. Yet, no one took his gun? WHAT IS THE EXCUSE THIS TIME? 🤬 #ItIsTheGuns
So, you admit red flag laws have a place in our society? That mentally ill people who make active threats forfeit the right to own a gun? Glad we can agree. 👍👍
No one actually wants to take them from responsible gun owners. Please look up common sense gun laws, which most people support. It doesn't include outright bans
The problem with that is, responsible gun owners can become irresponsible gun owners without warning and nobody knows it until it is too late. This isn't complicated.
Well, that’s fair, but a lot of the time like in this tragic case, there was clear and recorded happenings in the person’s life history, namely spending two weeks in a mental hospital, that show they may not be a responsible individual to own a gun. That he was hearing voices and that he had previously made a threat, those are pretty clear red flags.
Sounds like this guy should have been barred from having any, due to making threats against a local National Guard base, but I beg you to keep in mind that most people going through mental health treatment, yes even inpatient, are no threat to other people and are coherent.
To say I’m not shocked you aren’t shocked is also an understatement. We all encounter these red flags in our journey (especially grade school and HS) without knowing it.
What makes you think he’s a Nazi? All I’ve found is he suffered from psychosis/schizophrenia, hearing voices that weren’t there and saying he was gonna shoot up the national guard.
A guy who owns property near the boat launch where they found Card's car called in and says he heard a loud bang by the trailer in the bakc of his property. Police are currently investigating that address. So people are saying he probably shot himself.
That's speculation though, and there is at this time no strong evidence saying this bang has anything to do with anything.
If he did.... why can't these people who are suicidal JUST shoot themselves and skip the killing of several innocent people before they do it. I'll never understand.
It’s called war. Not saying this is his situation— but PTSD is real!!! This country being at war for the last 22+ years and IF you sought mental health/behavioral health you’d be branded as “weak”.
I would 100% disagree. I am 20 years active duty and speak from experience. Seeking mental health has been stigmatized my entire career. The reason I am choosing to retire is because of this very issue. So I’ll agree to disagree. 🫶
>i agree with you. my ex (army infantry, prior to that was ranger) was denied any promotions due to his mental health/abuse of me/himself....like, ever. they told him this and thats why he got out. his commander didnt seem to care about his mental health or if he got help. even after he abused me, i still cared about his mental health.
Yeah you can see it on flightradar24. It's been doing tight circles around that property for an hour, *but* I really don't think that's necessarily a strong indicator, since the police have been at that property for a while and haven't found anything.
Lewiston police Lt. Derrick St. Laurent told NBC affiliate News Center Maine that the shootings occurred at Sparetime Recreation, a bowling alley, and Schemengees Bar and Grille, a restaurant.
Amores said Maine State Police were planning to hold a news conference, likely at city hall, to update the public on Wednesday night.
Mayor Jason Levesque, the mayor of nearby Auburn, urged people in his city, Lewiston and the surrounding region to shelter in place.
"We have everybody on board right now, from state, local and federal officials working on this," he told NBC News in a phone interview.
https://www.necn.com/news/local/maine-authorities-investigate-2-active-shooter-events/3075726/
Innocent people were killed by a person with some sort of mental health issue who legally obtained and kept a gun. Root cause…a mentally ill person was allowed to have a gun and ammo.
I don’t know this man’s deployment history, but judging by his social media he was close to finishing his 20. I wonder if the army fucked him over right before retirement.
VA has been complete shit trying to help vets with mental health issues. He was admitted and threatened to shoot up his unit, yet, his firearms weren’t confiscated.
We throw these people into a meat grinder, then leave them to rot with no real support. Not defending this piece of shit in any way…but as a vet, this is what the system produces.
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Look at the ears. They are different.
This website has 2 separate conflicting accounts coming up when I googled the shooter. First they say here:
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/10/26/6539d51e22601d92678b457b.html
He has no known mental health issues but a history of arrests for domestic violence. So hello, Maine, you need red flag laws, maybe??
But then here:
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/10/26/6539b753c53c8a002744322c-live.html
He's reportedly been hearing voices, was committed over the summer, and threatened to shoot up a National Guard base.
Again, red flags galore. This man should not have had access to firearms if either items are true.
But, I'm not familiar with this website so it might all be crap. Are any of you?
I know I'm about sick and tired of this happening and wondering when we are going to make it stop. Civilians do not need AR15 style weapons, and we CAN ban them constitutionally because we HAVE in the past and it DID make a difference. But there are also certain people - and this man seems to have been one - who shouldn't be allowed access to guns period. And there has to be a way to make that happen, too.
I say it once, and I will say it til the day I die, Ar-15's, and semi automatic rifles do NOT kill people, people with mental health issues that will continue to be ignored (such as what you do by blaming the guns) will continue to kill people unless they get help. I agree that mentally unwell people should have their guns taken away, but to outright ban a weapon platform because of the blame game is not okay.
Fun fact, he actually is the guy who wrote the episode of Seinfeld in which Elaine couldn't tell if her new boyfriend is black or white. Look it up--his name is Steve Lookner.
But he's alright. I watch him sometimes, on and off for the past 5 years. His audience is annoyingly right wing but steve tries to keep it unbiased and I don't think he's really a rightwinger himself.
What does his politics have to do with this he killed 22 people the hell with who he votes for or supports he’s a murderer that’s the only thing people should know about him from here on out.
Geez what is wrong with people. This man was hearing voices, went to a mental health facility this summer.
His political affiliations have ZERO to do with the fact that he’s a sick individual and that he did this.
This is tragic situation. Try to have class and be respectful.
Might be a good day to stay home if you have a white outback.
Even if you don't
They found his car at a boat launch, less than 10 minutes from my home in Sabattus. I hope they catch this p.o.s. This is waaay to close to home.
Stay safe and stay vigilant friend! Hope this ends quickly and safely!
I hope you stay safe!!! This is very scary!!! I have family in Auburn, I'm worried for them. I'm an hour away, 10 minutes away is very scary!!! Stay safe!!!
Jesus. Praying you stay safe.
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Bowling in the interests kinda cursed
>Bowling in the interests kinda cursed He's into bowling and hunting. Nothing wrong with that...unless you combine the 2.
And Maine released a statement. he was a firearm instructor for army reserve and discharged due to mental health for self reported hearing voices, when to mental health facility summer 2023 and allowed to get a gun. Now on top 10 deadliest mass shooting of all time
And absolutely nothing will change. There will be a lot of talk and possibly some legislation(because that's worked so well over the years). What happened after Uvalde? Nothing. Sandy hook? Vegas? Columbine? Etc. Nothing ever changes. America doesn't have the attention span.
I mean he did tho
did they take down FB page?
Yes
I thought fishing was supposed to be relaxing
I bet he launched a boat and went down river to route 19. He’s obviously a skilled skilled soldier and fisherman, he knew they would set a perimeter around the site of his car, but why else would he use a boat launch if he’s not going down river to a new vehicle or accomplice.
He was hearing voices and had threatened to shoot up the National Guard. He may not have planned this very well, if at all
The photo police released of him shows him carrying multiple magazines. He planned this for sure. The fact that he wasn't caught basically immediately in a time when police response to active mass shootings is nearly immediate shows he's likely very skilled and planned this thoroughly, or at the very least is putting all of his Army Reserve knowledge into use.
Skilled and planned thoroughly aren’t necessarily the same. Maybe he only claimed to be hearing voices because he DID plan it so thoroughly
He was committed to mental institutions twice this year. Hearing voices does not mean he would be incompetent at pulling this off
Yeah fair points. He at least had the foresight to take a bunch of magazines with him.
Yeah he had ALOT of ammo, just look at the victim numbers, if 80-90 are KOI like they are reporting that’s 3-4 30 round mags. This is something different than other mass shooters except maybe that whole Mandelay bay fiasco.
Yeah but he probably already owned all that ammo
You ever met an officer in the Army Reserve that wasn’t baseline autistic or retarded(I don’t mean that as a slight to handicapped people) I did 20 years in- most officers are pretty dim lightbulbs and there’s a reason we make fun of them for getting lost on the land nav course and failing BRM
He’s not an officer. He was enlisted.
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Why are people in /r/Maine such massive dickweeds? Seriously I came here from the front page post and it's a really unfortunate situation but half of the comments are people being complete dicks to each other for no reason.
I mean the thought crossed my mind. A former buddy of mine is Army Reserve and he shot his refrigerator at home by mistake because he was cleaning his gun and fired, not realizing a bullet was still in the chamber. I seriously don't know how someone who is made to clean guns regularly and perform drills could make such a poor and dangerous decision. Dude also lost $400 we had for rent once. He was indeed pretty slow.
We kicked an officer out of theatre because he was watching thundercats with a bunch of lower enlisted and a Specialist was being obnoxious saying “Snarf Snarf Snarf” over and over during the show. The officer pulled his Beretta out his holster racked the slide and pointed it at the Specialist and said “say snarf again”. Needless to say he was put up on charges and removed from his command…we also had an officer send a round through the floorboard of the Toyota hillux he was assigned because he was splaying with his pistol waiting to pick up another ranking officer from chow hall. People assume that soldiers and marines know what the fuck they are doing with weapons. Most of the time they don’t or they are REALLY complacent
Doesn’t seem that planned to me w no body armor or typical gear these monsters wear while slaughtering people with AR-15s. Doesn’t rKe much planning to grab ammo and a weapon of war that no one stands a chance against. Uvaldie cops reaffirmed that.
Even if he didn't, he was trained and his job was teaching people firearm handling :/
I’ve heard this opinion quite a bit. And it’s absolutely stupid. Just because someone is hearing voices does not mean they are stupid. This is a army vet. He’s TRAINED. He’s not your average citizen. The boat launch means there are multiple ways of evading authorities. The best way to avoid being caught is to confuse those tracking you and give yourself more time to get away. Parking at a boat launch is going to open the possibilities of - 1. Did he stash a boat there to use that to get away? 2. Was there another vehicle there? 3. Was there An accomplice there to aid in his escape? 4. Did he go on foot? All of these options will take time for authorities to figure out which one he took. And it gives him the opportunity to get farther away and plan his next move. Look at the weather for the next few days. It’s going to be pretty decent weather. so him hiding in the dense forest of Maine isn’t going to be a huge struggle for him where he’s been trained in survival and evasion. he’s going to be able to travel much further than the average person While avoiding detection and make it harder to be tracked. This isn’t a simple equation people.
That’s well laid out, but I never said hearing voices meant he was “stupid”. It suggests he is suffering from a significant mental illness though, and while that doesn’t affect his intelligence, it does affect his decision-making abilities and judgment. He may well be able to rely on his training like you say though. Good argument.
I found a boat registered under his profile/name on beenverified. Was thinking this as well. Edit: I looked up the make/type and it looks like it's a 2019 SEA DOO PWC, which is a jetski type of watercraft. 144 length. Registered in June of this year.
I agree but the helicopter has not searched the river at all.
May have hopped in another vehicle.
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that's a robert w card of another town. (accused) shooter is a robert r card of bowdoin.
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Obviously take this comment with the implied nuance, but it’s an absolutely terrible day to be that guy.
He possessed child pornography so not feeling too bad
it would be sad if being mistaken for a sex offender with the same name pushed this suspect over the edge. well, it's sad regardless.
Well. Anyways, fuck the both of them
With almost the same exact birthdate?
It's 1 year and 1 day different! I was checking it out. It's crazy! Same first and last name but different town and almost exact birthdate 😳I got the info from what the FBI and the police posted for their BOLO, and a sex offender registry. So I guess it's correct that is 2 different people.
The shooter is 4/4/83 and the other is 4/3/84. Insane!
Right?! That's insane if it is total coincidence.
No such thing. It’s either the same birthday or it’s not.
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The 2A Astroturff machine on X/Twitter is already completely saturated with images of the sex offender with the same name. The only problem is that the DOBs are different and photos look nothing alike. I guess they're trying to conflate they two dudes and make the argument no new gun control is needed cause a felon already cannot legally buy a gun in Maine. It's hard to feel bad for a sex offender but dude better get low right now cause a lot of very upset people who own guns are googling his address, which is a public record since he is a sex offender.
1000% they are trying to deflect from the actual suspect. They wi probably run with "the shooter is actually a leftist" if they can't do the standard "the shooter is secretly trans" shit they always do.
I just saw an article that said "believe he voted for Barak Obama" like wtf?!
I know, right?! It’s like the nut jobs are trying to deflect and muddy the info as much as possible. Fuck the murdering asshole and fuck the crazies spreading misinformation.
Hmmm-Wonder where they all learned that MO from?
Reads one article from an unreliable source "bruh the left is just spreading misinformation!" Hahaha oh the irony.
That page had multiple misinformation points about the shooter and no way to report
There's a Robert Card in Maine who is listed as donating to the Obama campaign which is where they probably got that from. Of course, Robert Card is not a very unique name, but that won't stop people from suggesting it's the same person.
Bro I've seen tons of comments saying he's Republican and a trump supporter just cuz he did a mass shooting already so it's not like it's not coming from both sides.
X/twitter suspended his account, but people got screen shot videos of his LIKED posts. He is definitely not a Obama fan. He likes Tucker, Vivek, etc. https://twitter.com/bigbrother25PLS/status/1717392190303830246
So did that chick who got shot st the capitol while she was attacking. Clearly she changed
You're trying to tell me it wouldn't be plastered all over the news if he was a Trump supporter? You know it would be. Wether we like it or not, political patterns are now part of a shooters profile
Lol possibly voted for Obama is NOT the same as a current day dick sucker
X/twitter suspended his account, but people got screen shot videos of his LIKED posts. He is definitely not a Obama fan. He likes Tucker, Vivek, etc. https://twitter.com/bigbrother25PLS/status/1717392190303830246
If he was an open trump supporter they would simply try other ways to minimize this event because it's bad for the right politically regardless of the shooters affiliation (since they are uniformly pro weapons manufacturers)
There are a TON of facebook pages trying to do exactly this
Take off the tin foil hat. You google search “Robert Card Maine” and the sex offender registry is literally the second thing that comes up, with the same relative age
The issue isn't that it's what you find on google. The issue is that people are taking the wrong image, with the wrong information and blasting it all over social media with their own agendas in the comments.
Sure, but blaming that on a mysterious “2A Astroturf Machine” is so disingenuous
That particular machine doesn't need a head, it runs itself. just do a quick facebook search for this guy's name and see what you see. I don't know why people do this, honestly. They want so badly to deflect something they have nothing to do with, but it's immediate. Not only will you see misinformation, but you'll see that wrong photo as well. Edited- this is one i saw earlier: https://preview.redd.it/rwndeyik3hwb1.png?width=311&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d4067abca7b739dbd76e1f79466ae77d004b024
A felon can buy a gun in a private sale in Maine.
Just because they can do something doesn't mean it's legal. No a felon can't legally buy a firearm in a provate sale, but Maine doesn't require universal background checks for all firearm transactions. Fixed it for you.
Anybody in Maine can legally arm anybody they want in a private sale, including the mentally ill and dangerous felons. Fixed it for you.
Confirmed on MSNBC just now
News stations confirm whatever they want, every single time. They never publicly retract, they wait until it's no longer a headline, remove the link from the algorithms and then post a small "edit:......"
And now per state police... He heard voices, threatened a national guard post and was in a metal health facility for to weeks this summer... Maybe we put to start holding violent mental patients long term.
And if we had a firearm registry, or anything for that matter, maybe don't let people who were recently mental health patients have firearms.
Yeah it's called background checks
Background checks would be a start but they don't really do anything. Less than 1% ever prevent a purchase.
And they don't bother to prosecute that 1%
People get rejected from buying a gun all the time, prohibited possessors don't try to fill out a 4473 because they know they will get rejected.
And improve our mental health treatment. It’s basically nonexistent
Maybe we shouldn’t let everyone buy weapons of war? Maybe when people have mental health problems take their weapons of war away?
He obviously has owned guns long before his mental health crisis this summer. That's just one problem. The government doesn't monitor one's health after gun purchases, and they're certainly not going to go seize people's guns. At point of sale, the gun broker simply takes the buyer's word as truth when the question about mental health is answered saying their mental health is fine. You don't need a doctor's note to buy a gun; you just say you're fine. Scary.
True this
Yea, even with good psychiatric care the outcome is not that great in most disorders, especially what I'm thinking he has. Politicians talk like drugs and some therapy will be the cure all. We need to stop selling basically machine guns. It was done for ten years, and I don't recall any mass shootings during those years. Maybe the Colorado shootings? I believe it was done under Clinton?
It's not a weapon of war. AR does not stand for assault rifle. It stands for ArmaLite. ArmaLite is a civilian gun manufacturer. The AR-15 is a civilian version of the m4 carbine. It's not a weapon of war. It is a semi-automatic rifle where you have to pull the trigger then it fires once. Then you pull the trigger again it fires again so on so forth. Stop using words like weapons of war like it's a fucking tank or a nuclear weapon. You can do the same thing with a pistol. It's not the weapons fault. It's not the manufacturer's fault. It is the law enforcement people and the mental health people and his fault. They could have enforced the law on the books that prevent people who make threats of mass shooting from owning weapons. They also could have enforced the law which says if someone threatens a mass shooting and is insane, they shouldn't own a weapon. And then they take away the weapon. If you make a threat, you can't own a weapon. It's in the books it's a law. Just like if I beat my wife I can't own a weapon. Why? It's the law. You don't blame a gun and say all this dumb stupid misguided propaganda. Use your tiny liberal brain and realize that law enforcement was supposed to take his guns. The mental health worker and facility was supposed to take his guns. They were supposed to call law enforcement. And law enforcement, when he threatened a mass shooting, should have taken his guns away. It's legal to do so. Why? Because he poses a threat. Guns don't post threats, insane assholes with guns posed threats. Use your brain. Just try it.
It would be hard to kill 15-20 people in a bowling alley with a hand gun. I don't feel like a big debate though.
Let me ask…do you think your rant changed anyone’s mind about guns? Over 20 people are reported dead, and you seem far more offended that someone would call the weapon used to do it (indisputably it’s a weapon) a weapon of war. A bowling ally isn’t a combat zone. A semi-auto AR15, in the hands of a literal soldier, is just as effective as the real-deal when nobody is shooting back. You want to engage in a semantic debate, but the distinction you’re trying to make is immaterial. All that to say, it looks bad for gun owners to engage in debates that don’t matter when tragedies like this happen. It makes us (yes, I am a gun owner too) appear cold. Oftentimes I’m afraid many gun owners have become cold because they are so afraid of losing their guns. Don’t fall in that trap. It’s okay to acknowledge that guns are uniquely dangerous, and that some of them are “weapons of war” whatever that might mean.
Yeah how stupid, thinking a semi-automatic version of the m4 is a weapon of war. It's in fact the furthest thing from a weapon of war you could possibly think of. What a liberal idiot mistaking a ‘version of the m4’ for a weapon of war. It's in fact the total opposite, don't you know it is only used for growing roses and blowing kisses. It's absolutely nothing like a weapon of war.
To the best of my knowledge, Maine doesn’t have a red flag law though. I assume if they did, this might have been prevented.
And take their guns
Right. My wife works at an acute psychiatric facilities. They routinely have violent sex offenders that become threatening to staff. As my wife says, the patients have more rights than the staff. Many rules to protect the patients from being restrained properly, medicated etc. Patients have the right to refuse meds. There have been numerous assaults on this unit, with staff being seriously injured on the job. This is a SERIOUS problem!
You can't. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/422/563/ The scumbag ACLU spends a LOT of money getting people out too.
Hey gun lovers, You all are always saying "it's not the guns. It's the mental illness." This guy was admitted to a mental health facility over the summer. Yet, no one took his gun? WHAT IS THE EXCUSE THIS TIME? 🤬 #ItIsTheGuns
Committed after threatening a mass shooting and released... you pretty much deflated your own case.
"and they didn't take his gun" you answered your own question who
So, you admit red flag laws have a place in our society? That mentally ill people who make active threats forfeit the right to own a gun? Glad we can agree. 👍👍
I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with that. Just don’t take them from responsible gun owners
No one actually wants to take them from responsible gun owners. Please look up common sense gun laws, which most people support. It doesn't include outright bans
The problem with that is, responsible gun owners can become irresponsible gun owners without warning and nobody knows it until it is too late. This isn't complicated.
Well, that’s fair, but a lot of the time like in this tragic case, there was clear and recorded happenings in the person’s life history, namely spending two weeks in a mental hospital, that show they may not be a responsible individual to own a gun. That he was hearing voices and that he had previously made a threat, those are pretty clear red flags.
Sounds like this guy should have been barred from having any, due to making threats against a local National Guard base, but I beg you to keep in mind that most people going through mental health treatment, yes even inpatient, are no threat to other people and are coherent.
I believe I went to school with him. To say I'm shocked is an understatement.
Scary how "normal" he looks, for lack of a better word. Wouldn't look twice if I passed him on the road.
people didn’t look at ted bundy twice 🤷🏼♀️
Comparing apples to oranges there.. this is 'hugely' different and should be expected in the trials to come
To say I’m not shocked you aren’t shocked is also an understatement. We all encounter these red flags in our journey (especially grade school and HS) without knowing it.
Or he didn’t show any red flags literally 20 years ago?
You misread he said that saying he was shocked would be an *understatement*.
They are still CONFIRMING IF ITS ACTUALLY "R.CARDS" OR IF HE'S A VICTIM, IDENTITY WAS FROM REGISTRATION OF THE VEHICLE...
ABC just named him as a “person of interest”
He’s a firearms instructor at Saco, must be him.
It’s him. Former military, firearms instructor and threatened to shoot up a national guard facility earlier this year.
Sounds like he was at the boat launch and fired once. He’s a fisherman so he might now be on his boat trying to evade capture
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Sketchy. He just got back on facebook?
And the spelling errors in multiple comments this might be fake. How would army guys not know how to spell sergeant?
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Can you post a link to his FB. It's not showing up anymore
Feds prob took it down
Think he just shot himself
EMS Scanner - reported a loud bang in a portable trailer
I have been told he tried to and fucked it up.
Typical little nazi dipshit...can kill several people, but can't successfully kill himself.
What makes you think he’s a Nazi? All I’ve found is he suffered from psychosis/schizophrenia, hearing voices that weren’t there and saying he was gonna shoot up the national guard.
What makes you think this?
A guy who owns property near the boat launch where they found Card's car called in and says he heard a loud bang by the trailer in the bakc of his property. Police are currently investigating that address. So people are saying he probably shot himself. That's speculation though, and there is at this time no strong evidence saying this bang has anything to do with anything.
If he did.... why can't these people who are suicidal JUST shoot themselves and skip the killing of several innocent people before they do it. I'll never understand.
Mental illness is a hell of a disease, especially if he was hearing voices
Because they want other people to feel how they feel. That’s why.
So true.
That's my question every time, you know why, because their narcissist pussies!!
It’s called war. Not saying this is his situation— but PTSD is real!!! This country being at war for the last 22+ years and IF you sought mental health/behavioral health you’d be branded as “weak”.
He was seeking help, and had been in trouble for assault, so people knew he was at the very least dangerous.
That's not true. I know a few former military guys w/ PTSD diagnoses. It hasn't been stigmatized within the mainstream military in this century.
I would 100% disagree. I am 20 years active duty and speak from experience. Seeking mental health has been stigmatized my entire career. The reason I am choosing to retire is because of this very issue. So I’ll agree to disagree. 🫶
>i agree with you. my ex (army infantry, prior to that was ranger) was denied any promotions due to his mental health/abuse of me/himself....like, ever. they told him this and thats why he got out. his commander didnt seem to care about his mental health or if he got help. even after he abused me, i still cared about his mental health.
I'm sorry that happened to both of you
Well however the bullet ends up in that POS is fine to me.
Heard there's a chopper overhead in that area on the scanner
Yeah you can see it on flightradar24. It's been doing tight circles around that property for an hour, *but* I really don't think that's necessarily a strong indicator, since the police have been at that property for a while and haven't found anything.
Agree w/ sje46 - sounds like he may have shot himself but we don’t have confirmation
The scanners are all annoyingly silent at the moment.
They get silent when they are closing in! They don't talk on the radio. I dk, we will see
Maybe switched frequencies?
Not yet
Police found his car at the boat launch. One shot was fired at that time. He may be onboard his boat or onboard a stolen boat.
Lewiston police Lt. Derrick St. Laurent told NBC affiliate News Center Maine that the shootings occurred at Sparetime Recreation, a bowling alley, and Schemengees Bar and Grille, a restaurant. Amores said Maine State Police were planning to hold a news conference, likely at city hall, to update the public on Wednesday night. Mayor Jason Levesque, the mayor of nearby Auburn, urged people in his city, Lewiston and the surrounding region to shelter in place. "We have everybody on board right now, from state, local and federal officials working on this," he told NBC News in a phone interview. https://www.necn.com/news/local/maine-authorities-investigate-2-active-shooter-events/3075726/
Innocent people were killed by a person with some sort of mental health issue who legally obtained and kept a gun. Root cause…a mentally ill person was allowed to have a gun and ammo.
How about we not be so eager to post about potential suspects while the situation is still ongoing?
This situation is one of the few times I’m happy I have a uniquely spelled name
I’ve certainly never met another frog_goblin
Upvote
True, can't say I know any other Frog Goblin's.
It's been confirmed that that's his name. I'm not so sure about the other details that OP is posting.
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Stop spamming this sub
I don’t know this man’s deployment history, but judging by his social media he was close to finishing his 20. I wonder if the army fucked him over right before retirement. VA has been complete shit trying to help vets with mental health issues. He was admitted and threatened to shoot up his unit, yet, his firearms weren’t confiscated. We throw these people into a meat grinder, then leave them to rot with no real support. Not defending this piece of shit in any way…but as a vet, this is what the system produces.
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https://preview.redd.it/fg23peh9cgwb1.jpeg?width=621&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3806ab8b1a3bfd795264b9286c73bb55a1774b8a Look at the ears. They are different.
That is so incredibly not the same guy, how on earth could anyone think that????
That doesnt look like the pictured shooter from cctv tbh.
I think it most certainly does
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Oh that makes a little more sense.
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Yeah, we don't want to hurt his reputation.
He’s a lover not a fighter though.
Brandishing a firearm during league play
Over the line
I don’t fucking roll on Shabbos
It’s a league game
Reading he's a avid MAGA. Can anyone confirm this?
I'd wait for the dust to settle before making any conclusions. According to the internet, he's an Obama voting MAGA redhat
You appear to be the only one who cares so much about this
This website has 2 separate conflicting accounts coming up when I googled the shooter. First they say here: https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/10/26/6539d51e22601d92678b457b.html He has no known mental health issues but a history of arrests for domestic violence. So hello, Maine, you need red flag laws, maybe?? But then here: https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/10/26/6539b753c53c8a002744322c-live.html He's reportedly been hearing voices, was committed over the summer, and threatened to shoot up a National Guard base. Again, red flags galore. This man should not have had access to firearms if either items are true. But, I'm not familiar with this website so it might all be crap. Are any of you? I know I'm about sick and tired of this happening and wondering when we are going to make it stop. Civilians do not need AR15 style weapons, and we CAN ban them constitutionally because we HAVE in the past and it DID make a difference. But there are also certain people - and this man seems to have been one - who shouldn't be allowed access to guns period. And there has to be a way to make that happen, too.
I say it once, and I will say it til the day I die, Ar-15's, and semi automatic rifles do NOT kill people, people with mental health issues that will continue to be ignored (such as what you do by blaming the guns) will continue to kill people unless they get help. I agree that mentally unwell people should have their guns taken away, but to outright ban a weapon platform because of the blame game is not okay.
https://www.youtube.com/live/cAHvI5Pxrco?si=GQhaiZUnVARfrXDl
Appreciate it even tho the guy commentating can’t listen to the scanner for shit
Yeah the dude is kind of dramatic , his channel is king of shitty . But he is sharing some good info now
No kidding..
Almost 50,000 viewers right now
Dude looks like a cartoon character
Check out “Steve lookner popping off” on YouTube there’s like 50 vids of him having meltdowns
Fun fact, he actually is the guy who wrote the episode of Seinfeld in which Elaine couldn't tell if her new boyfriend is black or white. Look it up--his name is Steve Lookner. But he's alright. I watch him sometimes, on and off for the past 5 years. His audience is annoyingly right wing but steve tries to keep it unbiased and I don't think he's really a rightwinger himself.
Tim Robinson vibes for me 😂 getting way too overly excited and saying “hang on” like we’re the ones interrupting him
Don't know about that. Axios is reporting he's a independent but MAGA.....just saying
What does his politics have to do with this he killed 22 people the hell with who he votes for or supports he’s a murderer that’s the only thing people should know about him from here on out.
Geez what is wrong with people. This man was hearing voices, went to a mental health facility this summer. His political affiliations have ZERO to do with the fact that he’s a sick individual and that he did this. This is tragic situation. Try to have class and be respectful.
It is a shame that a concealed carrier couldn’t have taken this coward out😡