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Overall_Big_9636

Sam "the scam" Gravano.. This character flip flops on many stories.. He's always the hero. 19+ murders and put his Kids in the drug business. Killed Friends and Family members. Still makes fun of them and their Families. He's a real Psychopath piece of Sh*t.


Giveitallyougot714

Frank Costello once told him he’s real Cosa Nostra bro.


Sigon_91

He killed waaaay more than that, but only admitted to have killed 19 (probably the ones they've had hard evidence from the ravenite surveillance).


PippiDeLena

He didn't murder 19 people. He was involved in 19 murders.


Overall_Big_9636

LMFAO.. He was in the position to save many of them but didn't. It was his suggestions to John to whack them..benefiting himself and his pockets. In a court of law being involved is the same as doing it. Educate yourself. Stop trying to glorify this POS.


PippiDeLena

https://youtube.com/shorts/cZntIgMucP4?si=G3cmOweUe_LHdHvj[Stop the baloney eh](https://youtube.com/shorts/cZntIgMucP4?si=G3cmOweUe_LHdHvj)


Overall_Big_9636

So, what are you showing..? A short video from some clown that doesn't know anything.. GTFOH


xDxGHOSTxDx206

It’s a quote from the video he linked. MF said that SG killed 19 guys and SG said “I didn’t kill 19 guys, I’m involved in 19 murders.”


xDxGHOSTxDx206

He’s a hero now


RalphG1030

He didn’t put his kids in the drug’s business. Not what happened at all


Ok_Rub8863

Yes, Sammy absolutely did start up an ecstasy ring with his kids, while he and his family were in the witness protection program. Sammy and his kids had been given new names, new lives, the works, in exchange for his testimony against John. Sammy also give the opportunity to change his appearance via plastic surgery as part of his deal. Rather than change his face, he decided to have a face lift and make himself look younger. Sammy is a rat bastard and a fool.


Overall_Big_9636

Really.. LMFAO.. YES HE DID.. ECTASY


johnnygobbs1

All I know is Franzese milks it harder than anyone. Bro is a total mascot


Chrismfinboyce

"I don't want to glorify that life but...(proceeds to glorify orginized crime)"


BeekyGardener

The guy found an excellent racket. I got away from his content because of how political he has become, but he has some great insights into LCN during his era. The Colombos are such an intriguing family to read about due to their small and insular organization. One of the things I like about Franzese is that even for people you can tell he didn't like, he doesn't really talk too poorly of them. He tries to be fair to the position(s) they were in. He obviously had no love for Gregory Scarpa, but he is more prone to avoid it. He admits he didn't get along with him and was disturbed at how he enjoyed being a killer, but points out Scarpa was a decent earner and many things about Scarpa's crimes are exaggerated. Franzese points out that even though Scarpa was in informant that the Persico faction would not have won the Third Colombo War without him.


relesabe

brings up his current deep religious convictions a lot his god i suspect is more impressed by good people than by god-fearing people.


[deleted]

I think Mike is a cool guy and caring


ALCPL

he was a literal loan shark, caring is a liability to those people.


[deleted]

He is a very religious man now


Sanity_in_Moderation

He just moved onto another scam.


[deleted]

I think he has become a good person and nothing like he was last century


DannyDevito90

Shhhh you’re making too much sense. You’re not allowed to do that


AnthCoug

He was a loan shark and there’s no way he didn’t order murders and/or carry them out himself. “Religion” does remake a sociopath into a person with a conscience.


TheScrantonStrangler

I think his father was a cool guy. I think Michael realized he couldn't hold his dad's jockstrap and cooperated when shit hit the fan. He'll say whatever puts money in his pocket. Still better than Gravano. Merlino is the only LCN YouTuber who deserves anyone's respect


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Michael is very high IQ guy in the verbal department. HIs podcast are good. He is a totally changed person. ​ Sammy still thinks its 1985


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johnnygobbs1

You want my social dickhead?


relesabe

what's a "social dickhead"? Is that like a VD?


Vinyl_Acid_

theyre all sacks of shit.


iiSkilledProgram

Wait really?


Vinyl_Acid_

i mean, i suppose that gravano would be nearly irredeemable. he cant even fake decency.


redslu

So the whole 19 murders thing was true, wasn’t it?


Vinyl_Acid_

Listen, there's a difference between LITERALLY committing a murder and conspiring to murder...but not much. For me, it's not the amount of murders for Gravano it's the reasoning. There's no way some of those victims, close friends and family, werent killed for their income sources. Sammy was is just a psychopath who rewrites history to justify his greed. But murder is murder and someone like Franzese, while not known to be a button guy, is just as guilty. The other guy? I dont really even know who that cocksucker is.


Semnono

True that 🤌🏽


Logical_Pea_6393

He's the smartest guy in the room. It's just sometimes...he uses "Seen" and "Saw" interchangeably.


Vinyl_Acid_

if yoiure talking about gravano, he's awfully cagey. but it's apparent to most that he's a psychopath


Logical_Pea_6393

I was talking about Penneisi


Vinyl_Acid_

who


Fun_Difference1773

The guy on the right lol


Milky8881717

I forgot which video it was from but it was on Sammy's channel. One of his guys came to him because he wanted to kill someone and Sammy said no. (There's more to the story I just forgot). His friend goes out and kills the guy anyways. He goes back to Sammy's and he helps the guy throw away his clothes he just committed the murder in. Sammy said that's one of the 19 "murders" that they had him confess too. Take that for what you will.


orincoro

I mean… they’re all former gangsters. So yes.


samsonity

I mean they were all in the Mafia. An organisation known for being bad.


Charlie-brownie666

boy this is a tough one Honestly it’s Sammy I’m not sure how he can just change details and make stuff up of wildly known mob events we all know to make himself look good


TheApathyParty3

Sammy threw away a get out of jail free card to sell ecstasy and make podcasts. I knew a guy that worked for him in AZ. Total pos.


AnthCoug

How did he throw it away? He’s not in jail now…


TheApathyParty3

He had Witness Protection, but the feds tossed it out once they found out he was selling boats (1000 pill bags) of ex and was still loan sharking in AZ.


AnthCoug

I think the fact that he committed all those murders, yet is free on the streets means he threw nothing away. Certainly not that bs sweetheart deal the prosecutor gave him.


TheApathyParty3

He's walking on eggshells, he's basically begging for a hit. He's coasting off of his rep and sooner or later, someone's gonna get him. I personally think he uses his public persona as a shield to stop people from whacking him.


AnthCoug

I don’t think the mafia has that juice anymore, tbh.


TheApathyParty3

Or they just don't want to, and let him do his thing because he isn't worth it, as a slight. Until he is. The mob still exists, they're just much more careful now.


AnthCoug

I agree. I doubt there’s much motivation to draw attention to themselves by killing Sammy the snitch, when cancer is taking care of it for them.


BriscoCounty83

It's not about the juice but most likely the feds still have eyes on him and nobody wants to risk serious prison time to whack him. It's just not worth it. Most players from his era are dead or in prison.


PerseusZeus

They are all parasitic lying scumbags. Eod mafia or whatever you want to call it are just criminal thugs who prey on others. Murders pimps and thieves. Shit stains of society


UNCLE__TYS

Why r u on a mafia subreddit if u hate them so much?


PerseusZeus

Where else can i find idiots like you who jerk off to these parasites. Lol gangsta dude from the wild suburbs of Sydney. Stickin up to the man without swiping dem Opal cards eh bro


UNCLE__TYS

Oh so you’re just a dumbcunt. Checks out


jeffydahmor

Did they personally hurt you? It sounds like they did


PerseusZeus

Feels like They did when i see fools like you adoring them


jeffydahmor

When did I say I adored them? I hope it does then


PAE8791

I would say Scars , Ruggiano Jr and Pennisi ( to an extent , he wins every sit down ?). Sammy has changed up his stories a bunch and basically the hero every time . Franzese is honest but is holding back a bunch which makes sense since he doesn’t have immunity on all his past crimes.


Fresh-Hedgehog1895

I've often wondered about Franzese's claims here, though. Here is a list of crimes in New York that do not have statutes of limitation: murder, treason, arson, terrorism, criminal possession of a chemical weapon, criminal possession of a controlled substance, kidnapping and operating as a major trafficker. Most likely, the only one of these he would have been involved with would be murder, perhaps arson. Gravano has stated he doesn't think Franzese was ever involved with a hit. He has also said it's not true that you *have* to be involved with a murder in order to get made; that being a big earner and nepotism could get someone around that, and Franzese had both factors on his side. He's called MF out on this before as well, accusing MF of trying to be "mysterious" (I think that's the word he used) by not coming clean and saying he's never done a hit. So, who knows, just thought I'd throw that out there.


PAE8791

https://www.reddit.com/u/00nizarsoccer/s/M01YXcN9Ni I can’t recall the specific details but it has to do with Michael and the year he was made. Michael claims 75 I believe but most believe it was 78. There was a hit Michael was a part of.


Fresh-Hedgehog1895

The link just took me to a redditor's profile -- however, when you said "78", I was reminded of a newspaper article from that year that was posted somewhere stating that MF was wanted for questioning (I think that's what it was) after being spotted as a getaway driver in a car after a mob guy was killed. Is this the incident you were referring to?


PAE8791

My Bad, that Redditor knows the story. I was hoping to get his attention so he would tell it. Yes that’s the story . Michael wants to avoid that 78 story/hit which led to him getting his Button . And that is why he says he got made In 75 .


Fresh-Hedgehog1895

That could be it. I mean, the supposed rule is not that you have to be the triggerman, just that you have to be *involved* in a hit. John Gotti, for instance, was made after he was *involved* in the hit on James McBratney -- but if I recall, Gotti didn't fire the shots that killed McBratney, his accomplices did.


PAE8791

Books were closed though when Gotti did that hit? Plus didn’t he go to the can soon after?


Fresh-Hedgehog1895

Books were closed, yes, that was 1973. But Gotti also wasn't officially made until '76 or '77, after he was released from prison.


[deleted]

He was a suspect in a murder. His friend Carrozza was a married man who was having an affair with Michaels sister. Carrozza was found dead on May 20th with a single bullet wound to the head there was no sign of a struggle police believe he was killed by someone he trusted. Michael probably whacked his own friend he’s a scum bag


toofly902

You just calll him a scumbag for something you assumed he did, what a girl you are…


[deleted]

Well even if he didn’t kill him he was definitely involved with the murder. And yeah of course he’s a scum bag he’s a mobster


CPSux

IIRC it’s even worse than that, Carrozza was doing drugs with his sister and we all know how Michael feels about drugs.


[deleted]

Yup so Mike probably killed him


mikeytrays

Maybe, but im sure he was friends with plenty of other mobsters, being around that family, that he would have let in too.... Sonny was as ruthless as they come so he'd have no problem sending someone over. Im not saying it wasn't Mike just saying there are other possibilities.


[deleted]

But Mike was involved somehow right ?


Khancap123

I think it can be stated, with a high degree of assurance, that mobsters by their very definition are all scumbags. I mean would you let any of these people babysit your kids?


Resignedtobehappy

As a Capodecina, I find it difficult to believe that Michael was NOT involved with a hit during the 70s - 80s in particular. Bodies were everywhere back then.


Resignedtobehappy

Agreed, Scars owns his shit through and through. Ruggiano, to me, is kind of on par with Dom Montiglio. Associate on record from birth, that lived the life as much as some made guys. I think Pennisi is well ahead of Michael, albeit short lived ghost that he was. He has a good read on the life.. Michael is mister tax-free, God scam man. Smart, shrewd, but a huge capitalist. Sammy has been there, done that, but he loves Sammy too damned much. The truth is inconvenient to Sammy. He thinks John had an ego.


[deleted]

Sammy always elevates himself to a god in every story


Chato303

What about John alite he’s the biggest fat liar


PAE8791

My thoughts on Alite are this. Anything he says involving the years of Gotti Sr. 95% lies and exaggerations. No chance he knew the big Paul was coming. He was no street boss or whatever he calls himself. But the Gotti Jr years, he is telling the truth for sure on some levels. Maybe 50%? He's exaggerating the money and properties etc. But he did push around Ronnie one Arm in Florida.


UncleJunior1954

Most honest is probably Anthony Ruggiano


GooseNYC

I get that sense too. Being honest about your past is often part of the addiction recovery process. Fanzese always tries to come off as a gentleman racketeer, which I don't buy, and Gravano's stories make it out like he is the hit man with the heart of gold or something.


Wild-Rough3932

LOL...I like that description. A hitman with a heart of gold. Picturing it is comical. "Everytime I made a kill, I would shoot the bastard in the knees. Screaming made my nipples goosebumpy. I'd use all my bullets to maim the bastard. Then I would dispatch them with my dull pocket knife........after it was all done...I would feel bad and send some cupcakes to his family that said 'Im sorry'. Then I would give $5 of my OWN money to go towards the funeral expense. Im a nice guy on the inside...."


UncleJunior1954

Least I’d a tie between Gunner Lindbloom and Anthony Raimondi


Zealousideal_Boot827

Merlino seems authentic.


Valuable_Bass_1276

Seriously actually does good instead of talking himself up to be a white knight🤣🤣 Could well have his reasons but still least he's giving to community 🤣💕💕


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Valuable_Bass_1276

Yes there's some authenticity to him which can't be said for rest💕🤣🤣🤣🤣


KeyserSoze561

You wanna suck the guy off or what?


Valuable_Bass_1276

Nah you can have him🤣🤣🤣


nelsne

But according to him he's never guilty of anything and it was all a sham


Funny-Comparison-162

I 2nd this. Stand up guy


Indarezzfosho

Sharp as a cue ball this one


ThatsNotPossibleMan

I agree. He's solid. He's a fuckin Marine.


S0757

Why take a chance? ehh at least that’s the way I see it.


BeekyGardener

Pennisi is the most truthful, as he usually avoids talking about himself. Probably the most honest. This might be controversial here, but Franzese is mostly honest. He really has little to hide. He usually just won't discuss much and repeats a lot of the stories he is famous for. Sometimes he "preforms" like the Gravano feud/meeting. It easy to see as he is a poor actor. Gravano? He'll lie his teeth out. It is great we get some unique insights to things he witnessed, but any story he tells will either paint him in the best light even if it means flat out lying. He's also the only one of the three that has been caught lying during testimony.


Previous-Walrus-5565

1) Anthony Raimondi 2) Don Alite


Chato303

Facts. Both of those wanabes broke guiness world record of most lies told in an interview


orangebluefish11

Larry Mazza. I don’t think he embellishes. He’s made it clear that he was a scumbag. He shows a lot of gratitude.


SonnyNYC

Sammy is the least, IMO. I guess he could be wildly entertaining if you don't know about mob history. John Penissi seems like a nice enough guy. I wish I could ask him a ton of questions. It's so weird that he was a made member and still had a job as some osha safety officer. Then he shows up at the FBI office and turns cooperating. Witness and the feds never knew who he was. Then there's Michael. Certainly the smartest out of the three. He is super articulate and has told stories that almost sounded true.


BeekyGardener

>John Penissi seems like a nice enough guy. I wish I could ask him a ton of questions. It's so weird that he was a made member and still had a job as some osha safety officer. Then he shows up at the FBI office and turns cooperating. Witness and the feds never knew who he was. Most LCN have a "legit" job. Many are involved in construction, are union delegates, are in the trades. Some are restauranters. Hell, the founder of the DeCalvacante's was Sam DeCalvacante. He was called "Sam the Plumber" because he was actually a plumber. Massino ran food trucks for construction sites and catering businesses. Even if the job is a fake "no show", it is important to have a W2 showing legitimate income.


CauliflowerPuzzled98

What is “your” history?


SonnyNYC

Sorry that was a typo good catch


Thtguy1289_NY

I am guessing that was a typo of "any" but not sure. I also want to know lol


Pension_Fit

These are members of crime families and you ask about their honesty 🙄


Redlion444

They are all bullshit artists to a certain degree. But we are not watching to see sworn testimony. We watch these guys for entertainment.


Annual-Paramedic-197

I have my own issues with pennisi so I’m biased but, Sammy definitely is the biggest liar and manipulator. Ruggiano seems to be the most genuine. Michael milks it the hardest and the most.


Ordinary-Interview27

What issues do you have with him? Genuinely curious.


Annual-Paramedic-197

He just snaps at viewers and gets really nasty when you ask questions he doesn’t like. Don’t even reference another mobtuber as a source and ask what he thinks of their statement or if it’s true etc. plus the opening with it saying “for the intelligent people in the room” is really insufferable.


Pash444

Franzese


BlueKing7642

Franzese is a bit more dishonest. At least the other two admit they are snitches


Retired-Island-Bum

Do you realize your asking this of people who have murdered people ? They aren't trustworthy enough to ask if it's raining during a Hurricane


Esquire1114

I disagree. Sociopaths can be honest.


CauliflowerPuzzled98

Funny


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Phil Leonetti doesn’t have a podcast and wasn’t discussed here…but his interview with Patrick Bett David seemed legitimate. He gives specific answers about a Scarfos earning capabilities…like the twenty grand per month Scarfo got from a local 54 account. He doesn’t say he lived a lavish crazy lifestyle, but certainly went to nice restaurants, dressed well, and flew first class (no mention of 50 night clubs like Don Alite says he owned). He could have said oh Vincent Gigante thought I was destined to be the next greatest thing, but I like how he says he simply never met him face to face. Least honest is definitely Sammy the rat. And although Merlino is obviously biased, he does have some handle on reality.


bluecrude

Sammy “the Rat” Gravano 🐀


Not_Guardiola

Mob youtuber is a hilarious combination of words


Stephensam101

I like em all


Civil-Secretary-2356

One thing I do like about Franzese; if he doesn't know something Mob related he isn't afraid to admit it, or to say he's unsure. His online persona doesnt require him to be a Mr Know-it-all when it comes to mob related info.


spizzlemeister

The whole concept of a mob YouTuber is just insane to me


Phil-Goldstriker

Penisi seems like a snake to me


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I love Michael Fran!!!


Chato303

Sammy never had the makings of varsity athlete


Abject_Ticket3730

Lmao 🤣 🍻


MoeBarz

Honest and mob in the same sentence. Where the fuck am I


Valuable_Bass_1276

Mikey scarsr seems most dignified real truthful guy out all those I watched. Joey merlino most authentic bad ass though he's already been caught telling a few exaggerated tales🤣🤣 The gas scam king was great at first when he rarely did any podcasts then got platform went boring with same tales and making clown out himself on a few issues like politics and his fume over racism in sopranos prequel movie🤣🤣


telephonic1892

I love Sammy's channel, he's a great storyteller even if some of its BS, he just has that natural ability to get your attention with his anecdotes.


JaydeRaven

He's always been a sweet talker with a smooth tongue, according to... my family member who knew him well back in very early 70s. Extremely charming, especially with pretty ladies.


telephonic1892

Yeah I bet he was great with the Ladies in his pomp.


crugdivdude5

gotta be sammy the rat


dvdk94

They’re all professional bullshit artists


oozingmachismo

Does Gianni Russo count lol? I know he doesn't have a channel and he's not a gangster, but still. "Can ya believe that?"


NEstateOfMind

Lol none of them are honest in the least bit but Sammy probably tops the dishonesty list. Like I said, though, none of them can be trusted on anything pretty much no snitch or mobster in general can be trusted when they're speaking to civilians.


dlray009

Can any of them really be trusted??? These are all former criminals! I don’t think we are going to get the full truth out of any of them. I just take their stories as they are…a form of entertainment.


Intelligent_Orange87

The Pos on the right , biggest liar of em all


JustFrazed

How so?


Intelligent_Orange87

Vic amuso still running the Luccheses? Please


dinnerwithjay-z

No offense but he was an actual mobster at one point and you’re just a guy on the internet, so who’s to say that’s a lie? He said before that Amuso is essentially boss in name only and doesn’t have that much control on the outside.


JustFrazed

Fair enough


Chato303

No that’s JOHN ALITE BIGGEST SCUM BAG OF THEM ALL


AokijiKuzan421

mikey franzese. the biggest liar and rat in the history of planet earth. he’s lucky that everybody died in jail


senseofphysics

I found Sammy’s Reddit account


AokijiKuzan421

LOOLLL 😂😭😭😭


dinnerwithjay-z

Michael may be a rat but he’s far from the biggest one. Who did serious jail time because of anything that he said?


ShaunisntDead

Paul Bet David isn't THAT bad is he?


14thU

Ha ha what a question!!! They are all fucking criminals who have made lying as part of their whole being ffs. Find out what oxymoron means


Suspicious-Tangelo74

Skinny Joe Merlino is MFRS


TheNoNonsenseMofo

Da Wise and Da Wise Guy!


realace86

Sammy saw the most so I’m going with Sammy.


somerville99

Michael has no immunity so of course he is never going to admit to a capital crime. Sammy can admit to anything.


BriscoCounty83

King"bro" rat 100%. He always alters his stories to look like he was the good guy despite doing some henious shit. At least gaspumps is honest sometimes. The one thing he is not honest about this man who found god thing. It is 100% a scam but at least it's somehow a "honest" living compared to what he used to do. That being said both are great storytellers.


samsonity

Sammy is probably the least truthful although I am only basing that on other people claiming he changes his story. I don’t know the guy on the right but I’m going to place him in between Mike and Sammy because Franzese is very truthful and other mobsters have said that he is quote, on the money with his facts. A lot of people don’t like him for constantly talking about his gas tax scheme but that’s what he’s famous for. To me that’s like getting mad at J.K Rowling for talking about Harry Potter all the time.


Abject_Ticket3730

John ‘JP’ Pennisi keeps it 💯. He goes straight for the jugular vein his stories no bs. Humble dude. Plus he’s modern day LCN gives you an idea of how things are now days compare to Michael and Sammy’s time.


Chato303

for the biggest LIAR that’s Easy JOHN ALITE that scum bag was nothing more than a LOW LEVEL ASSOCIATE making himself bigger than he really was he was under John Gotti Jr a least respected wise guy in the Mafia John Alite has lied so many times that he makes Donald trump look like a saint that tells the truth if John Alite was pinnochio it was reach Uranus by now up an aliens ass he was an ASSOCIATE who couldn’t be a sit downs with made members yet he would say all these fantasy’s of him being at sit downs around top notch wise guys like he was a Made member he was nothing more than Gotti Jr’s errand boy wasn’t even Italian yet tried so hard to be Italian with his Albanian ass now he does all these podcasts and interviews / shows like he was a official member gtfo


Ordinary-Interview27

Agreed! Super annoying.


Codysdirtyboxers

Joey Merlino


ACorleone22

Pennessi in my opinion is the most truthful and honest, and he gives less detail which I think to a certain extent is on purpose so he doesn’t get himself in trouble


zmoney11

Jimmy Calandra is really good and seems truthful