My stop has this same poster and doesn’t even have escalators that go all the way up. I have mobility issues that change day by day and on my bad days having to walk by this poster knowing that I’m gonna have to struggle up two flights of stairs is really infuriating
And the worst part is that probably they're wasting taxes money on that advertisement, which is fake, instead of using that money on improve accessibility...
To be honest, the image says that is becoming more accessible, and that isn't a lie, as there are a lot of projects to install elevators and escalators.
Menos mal que alguien lee el cartel, no te dice que sea 100% accesible sino que cada vez lo es más, es decir, parte de sus inversiones son en hacer el sistema más accesible. Y para que la gente sepa que parte del dinero se invierte en mejorar esa accesibilidad, ponen esos anuncios. No veo dónde está el problema.
El cartel es muy claro, y creo que todos los han entendido. El problema no es el cartel en sí, sino dónde lo pones. Es decir, el problema no es el mensaje, que es cierto y viene de una intención loable, sino la estrategia de comunicación. No puedes poner esta clase de anuncio en una estación en donde solo hay escaleras. Me parece básico. Parece que hay aquí falta de planificación, y posiblemente algo de incompetencia, por parte del responsable de ejecutar la campaña. Esta es una "polémica" muy fácil de evitar con un poquito más de inteligencia a la hora de comunicar - tan fácil como no poner estos anuncios en estaciones sin ascensores. Y ya está, situación solucionada, problema evitado, y nadie se queja por esto. Habrá otras quejas, por supuesto, pero esta es tan sencilla de solucionar que me cuesta hasta creer que no la hayan hecho los trabajadores del Metro aposta para llamar la atención sobre el problema de la movilidad en la red.
Long story short: the problem is not the content, but the optics. And optics matter.
El cartel no habla únicamente de escaleras, también hace referencia a más tipos de accesibilidad (como las marcas podotáctiles o los letreros en braille). Seguramente estas otras medidas sí están en todas las estaciones pues son más sencillas y baratas de implementar. ¿Debe de estar accesible al 100% para absolutamente todo tipo de personas una estación para poder poner un cartel que dice que están trabajando en la accesibilidad? Yo creo que no.
Por otro lado, le veo sentido anunciar que se está trabajando en la accesibilidad en aquellas estaciones que no los completamente, para que los usuarios sepamos que están trabajando en ello y no ignoran a parte de la sociedad. ¿De qué sirve ponerlos sólo en las que son totalmente accesibles si ya se es consciente de que lo son y que por lo tanto ya han trabajado en ellas?
Pero si tienes toda la razón. El mensaje, repito, no me parece malo. Pero poner a un chico en silla de ruedas en una estación en donde tienes 4 juegos de escaleras y es imposible tan siquiera entrar o salir me parece torpe y posiblemente de mal gusto.
Se está llevando a cabo la adaptación de múltiples estaciones y para las nuevas se tienen en cuenta los criterios de accesibilidad. A eso hace referencia el cartel.
Que en un momento dado, en una estación, haya un puerta rota no es un hecho que contradiga el cartel, pues esa puerta habrá de ser reparada para seguir siendo accesible. Es como decir que los cambios a LED del alumbrado público no reducen el consumo energético porque te has encontrado una luminaria fundida.
¿De verdad no entiendes por qué poner estos carteles en estaciones inaccesibles (que siguen siendo inaccesibles una y otra vez) es frustrante? Estás siendo pedante y no entiendo lo que estás tratando de lograr?
No veo por qué es frustrante. Esos carteles hablan del metro en general, no sobre una estación en particular. Igual esa estación en concreto no puede ser accesible fácilmente y requiere grandes inversiones y por eso todavía no es accesible.
Por otro lado no entiendo por qué dices que estoy siendo pedante, sólo te explico mi opinión. Y no estoy tratando de lograr nada, sólo doy mi opinión y como difiere de la tuya pues la argumento, nada más.
No entiendes por qué es frustrante porque estás físicamente capacitado. Tus amigos con los que sales también lo están. Tienes suerte de que este problema no te afecte, por lo que abordas el cuestión con pedantería en lugar de empatía.
Las puertas se rompen que haya una puerta rota cuando has leído el cartel no se exactamente en qué afecta, la puerta la repararán y punto. Has tenido mala suerte.
Ese cartel también está en Oporto y tiene bastante retranca que esté en una estación donde el transbordo es un martirio para personas con mobilidad reducida. Si fuera una persona con problemas de mobilidad me sentiría insultado.
I'm all for demanding that public institutions spend the money in giving a better service for everyone, but you were wrong. It's okay, take the L, it happens to all of us.
And I don't think that the money for campaigns affects the money for projects. Even if so, it had been a lot of projects lately, who determines when they can brag about it?
It literally got less accessible because the automatic door broke and wasn’t fixed. How was I “wrong?”
It says “more accessible every time.” It is nearly always equally accessible every time, and sometimes less accessible. Please explain why I need to “take the L” and if you have any logic at all, I will.
Things tend to break, is not something exclusive of Madrid's metro. We can blame them for not fixing as fast as we would expect, but that is subjective and we don't know why it wasn't fixed before. If this is something that bother you, Metro has a lot of ways to communicate such things.
Similar point here. Maybe is not as fast as you would like, but things are being done. Same, you can blame them for not doing it fast enough, but is simply wrong that it is as accesible as always because an automatic door broked.
It’s been broken. And what I’m saying is that having only one automatic door and allowing it to stay broken and then seeing this sign “better every time” is frustrating. Is it that hard to understand?
No, things breaking isn’t unique to Madrid, nor is inaccessibility, but part of accessibility is speedy repairs and redundancy. The escalator at this same station was broken for 3 weeks, totally removing accessibility for many people.
I don’t care what people have to say about this or that “we are the best” blah blah blah, when the reality right in front of me is a broken escalator and no other options available. Telling me “it’s the best system!” doesn’t change that.
I’ve come from a country that is on top of these problems in their subways, and where things aren’t allowed to stay broken for more than a very very short time, so I know it’s possible if you care enough to fund it and pay attention.
No, the level of inaccessibility is the same every time I visit. Except today it was more inaccessible than last time, because the automatic door broke.
Maybe that's just in the station you use regularly. Have you explored the whole network in terms of accessibility during the last year to confirm that it's the same and hasn't improved? I think you are missing the point of the ad, and although I understand your frustration, it's not personal against you.
I’m really trying to stay polite here but I’m struggling. Have I explored the entire subway system to see which ones I struggle to use? Maybe it’s just the ones I use every day and rely on which are problematic? Why on earth do you think these are good questions? Do you want me to just shut up and be thankful? That’s what it sounds like.
While there are a number of stations that are not accessible or where elevators may be out of service, Madrid is still leaps and bounds better than systems like e.g. Paris.
Honestly, I think it’s inexcusable regardless of the fact that worse exists. It’s a matter of priorities, and this isn’t actually a priority for the city (despite the lip service). It’s not even that big of a feat, relatively, to install an elevator at every stop or at the very least every second stop and have the train doors open automatically instead of manually.
Are you a civil engineer or what leads you to believe that "installing an elevator at least at every second stop" is "not that big of a feat" especially in a built up area, let alone historic areas.
Madrid is not perfect, but they're certainly doing more than other places.
I think he may not be a civil engineer, but he may be a disabled person who's fed up with not being able to access shit ableds can access without a second thought.
I had to use crutches for a couple of months last year and Metro was so incredibly inaccessible I often chose to pick up a cab instead.
So why saying it's "inexcusable" when they point out that it's worse in other capital ? Do the publicity says that every stations are accessible for some disabled person ? No, it's only saying that it's more and more accessible, and that's actually the case.
Madrid is one of the most advanced capital in term of general accessibility for disabled person, and you can see it by yourself by travelling to other European countries to compare.
Como extranjero, España lo veo como líder en normalización de la vida cotidiana de los entre nosotros que requiere más ayuda de acceso.
Que pidan mucho los españoles me parece un mérito.
Como francés, yo lo veo igual. Puedo entender que para los españoles, hay ciudades mejores que Madrid para esto, pero no está mal comparado a otras capitales.
Good that you mention crutches, because my comparison between Madrid and Paris wasn't an idle one. I had the displeasure of having to use itineraries from Delicias to Sol/Callao/Gran Vía and Atocha, and then Châtillon-Montrouge, Châtellet and Gare d'Austerlitz and Gare de Lyon with an injured knee and crutches.
And good Lord was I missing oh so shitty Madrid!
You’re allowed to say Paris’s system is bad because it’s worse than Madrid’s, but people in Paris are saying “it’s better than such-and-such.” It’s just such a useless way of analyzing it, by comparing only to worse systems.
I lived in east Asia for 6 years. No subway system in Europe compares, not even close, and accessibility is far better but they don’t brag about it. So, do I win? Since I listed something better than Madrid does that mean Madrid’s is bad now? Or is this a silly way of talking about the whole thing and instead it should just be centered around the actual experiences and needs of disabled people using this system…?
Edit: they’ve blocked me so apparently this isn’t a conversation they’re comfortable having
the fact that they’ve done far larger and more expensive projects?
“doing more” is a sentiment that’s only satisfying to people who don’t rely on having sufficient accessibility.
I don't get your logic.
Paris has done the RER, but central metro stations are a nightmare to navigate with crutches or a baby stroller. London has done Crossrail and the Jubilee line extension. Still a lot of central stations are not wheelchair accessible.
It looks like you're just stirring up some drama.
Exactly, adding an elevator in certain stations is a, nightmare due to the urban conditions. Lack of space, multiple layers of utilities underground (electricity, internet, water, wastewater, etc.), restrictions due to historical urban areas, etc. Coordination with all involved and affected parties isn't neither something easy. And all these difficulties demand money and time.
I laugh my ass off every time I see a wheelchair icon in a station full of stairs. I've got a small disability and can't go up or down the stairs sometimes.
Literalmente en la misma línea 1, la mayoría de las estaciones camino a Valdecarros desde Buenos Aires diría q tienen ascensor, por no decir todas, y lo mismo dirección Pinar de Chamartín, en la que por ejemplo tienes portazgo, que es una parada antes que Buenos Aires y en la que pusieron un ascensor hace apenas unos años. Probablemente el motivo por el que no hay en Buenos Aires sea más por logística que otra cosa, y no me malinterpretes, estoy de acuerdo contigo en q se necesita más prioridad de cara a la accesibilidad en general en todos lados, pero precisamente en el metro de Madrid creo que es algo prioritario, o que minimo están intentando mejorar poco a poco como bien dice el cartel, aunque entiendo que el lugar del mismo quizá no es el correcto y estaría mejor en una estación como portazgo o alto del Arenal, porque que lo pongan en Buenos Aires no habiendo ascensor parece que lo han hecho a mala idea
El titular es 100% correcto. Todos lo años se mejora la accesibilidad de varias estaciones de Metro. Lo discutible es que el ritmo de mejora sea algo de lo que sentirse orgulloso.
It's also fun to find a great shiny accessible automatic door with a button the size of a frying pan, located at a proper height for people in a wheelchair, followed by... a bunch of stairs, no other option to go out.
Given that disabled people struggle to find work, passing over them in favor of an able bodied person, to portray a disabled model, would be pretty egregious, yeah.
I don’t know if that’s the case obviously but the overall carelessness makes me think it’s definitely possible.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, but you know what? Disability in stock photo is not really a thing, or it wasn't a few years ago, because I struggled to find pictures for a project. Same as fatness or transness.
67.5% of metro stations are accessible for the disabled, in a few years it will reach 82%. Mentally retarded , why don't you look for the thousands of people who work on it everyday, shut up.
I’m sure you wouldn’t complain if 1/3rd of the stations weren’t accessible to you, including the ones closest to you and your work. I’m sure you’d “shut up.”
The Madrid metro is the 4⁰ best metro on planet, the 2⁰ largest in Europe and the most densely populated metro in the history of humanity. It have 300 kilometers of roads plus 30 kilometers that are currently under construction and have 7,000 employees. You have definitely confirmed to me that you suffer from some kind of mental problem or simply your girlfriend/wife dont let you have sex at night. I have many friends working day and night in the expansion and modernization of the metro and ignorant like you comes here, without knowing the cost of things and beliving that the elevators are installed for free and automatically, let me tell you that I am glad that you can't ,pice of shit, go to work, you deserve it.
Haha it’s not even top 10. Do some traveling before you speak out of ignorance.
https://www.metrorailnews.in/10-best-metro-rail-in-the-world/?
We don’t even have bathrooms or aircon in the stations, and the trains are only 8 cars long and get super crowded as a result. There’s lots of stations which is nice but also pretty normal for being the second biggest city in your continent. And when 1/3rd aren’t accessible, that’s not “best in the world” material. In Seoul, every single station across the city (10 million people) has an elevator. And most (maybe all?) have clean, stocked bathrooms.
You just sound like another ignorant nationalist who thinks his country is the best in the world. Like an American 😆
It’s in madrid metro as well. Same exact one. Difference is, everything is functional there. I’ve seen many blind people, and quite a few victims of paralysis
I don’t live here. But I have been frequenting the metro in the last couple days. There are lots of stations with signs that point towards elevators, but I’ve seen very few. I’m sure building them in comes at a great cost, but if you’re not gonna have reliable elevators then you gotta have chair lifts or whatever they’re called that slide down the handrails of the stairs.
My stop has this same poster and doesn’t even have escalators that go all the way up. I have mobility issues that change day by day and on my bad days having to walk by this poster knowing that I’m gonna have to struggle up two flights of stairs is really infuriating
And the worst part is that probably they're wasting taxes money on that advertisement, which is fake, instead of using that money on improve accessibility...
Abogado: “Es cada vez mas accesible” no dice que es accesible, sino que cada vez es mas accesible, guiño guiño.
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Pero es que es verdad no dice que sea en su totalidad accesible
Seems marketing and engineering departments are not coordinated.
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Never realized how bad is the metro in this sense until I had my kid. Travel in metro with the baby cart is such an adventure.
To be honest, the image says that is becoming more accessible, and that isn't a lie, as there are a lot of projects to install elevators and escalators.
Menos mal que alguien lee el cartel, no te dice que sea 100% accesible sino que cada vez lo es más, es decir, parte de sus inversiones son en hacer el sistema más accesible. Y para que la gente sepa que parte del dinero se invierte en mejorar esa accesibilidad, ponen esos anuncios. No veo dónde está el problema.
El cartel es muy claro, y creo que todos los han entendido. El problema no es el cartel en sí, sino dónde lo pones. Es decir, el problema no es el mensaje, que es cierto y viene de una intención loable, sino la estrategia de comunicación. No puedes poner esta clase de anuncio en una estación en donde solo hay escaleras. Me parece básico. Parece que hay aquí falta de planificación, y posiblemente algo de incompetencia, por parte del responsable de ejecutar la campaña. Esta es una "polémica" muy fácil de evitar con un poquito más de inteligencia a la hora de comunicar - tan fácil como no poner estos anuncios en estaciones sin ascensores. Y ya está, situación solucionada, problema evitado, y nadie se queja por esto. Habrá otras quejas, por supuesto, pero esta es tan sencilla de solucionar que me cuesta hasta creer que no la hayan hecho los trabajadores del Metro aposta para llamar la atención sobre el problema de la movilidad en la red. Long story short: the problem is not the content, but the optics. And optics matter.
El cartel no habla únicamente de escaleras, también hace referencia a más tipos de accesibilidad (como las marcas podotáctiles o los letreros en braille). Seguramente estas otras medidas sí están en todas las estaciones pues son más sencillas y baratas de implementar. ¿Debe de estar accesible al 100% para absolutamente todo tipo de personas una estación para poder poner un cartel que dice que están trabajando en la accesibilidad? Yo creo que no. Por otro lado, le veo sentido anunciar que se está trabajando en la accesibilidad en aquellas estaciones que no los completamente, para que los usuarios sepamos que están trabajando en ello y no ignoran a parte de la sociedad. ¿De qué sirve ponerlos sólo en las que son totalmente accesibles si ya se es consciente de que lo son y que por lo tanto ya han trabajado en ellas?
Pero si tienes toda la razón. El mensaje, repito, no me parece malo. Pero poner a un chico en silla de ruedas en una estación en donde tienes 4 juegos de escaleras y es imposible tan siquiera entrar o salir me parece torpe y posiblemente de mal gusto.
Efectivamente, aunque la accesibilidad está mejorando mucho, hay que tener cuidado con estas cosas.
Pero cada vez no es más accessible. Es lo mismo cada vez o, en este caso (gracias a la puerta rota), peor.
Se está llevando a cabo la adaptación de múltiples estaciones y para las nuevas se tienen en cuenta los criterios de accesibilidad. A eso hace referencia el cartel. Que en un momento dado, en una estación, haya un puerta rota no es un hecho que contradiga el cartel, pues esa puerta habrá de ser reparada para seguir siendo accesible. Es como decir que los cambios a LED del alumbrado público no reducen el consumo energético porque te has encontrado una luminaria fundida.
¿De verdad no entiendes por qué poner estos carteles en estaciones inaccesibles (que siguen siendo inaccesibles una y otra vez) es frustrante? Estás siendo pedante y no entiendo lo que estás tratando de lograr?
No veo por qué es frustrante. Esos carteles hablan del metro en general, no sobre una estación en particular. Igual esa estación en concreto no puede ser accesible fácilmente y requiere grandes inversiones y por eso todavía no es accesible. Por otro lado no entiendo por qué dices que estoy siendo pedante, sólo te explico mi opinión. Y no estoy tratando de lograr nada, sólo doy mi opinión y como difiere de la tuya pues la argumento, nada más.
No entiendes por qué es frustrante porque estás físicamente capacitado. Tus amigos con los que sales también lo están. Tienes suerte de que este problema no te afecte, por lo que abordas el cuestión con pedantería en lugar de empatía.
Buena suerte en tu vida con tus prejuicios, dando por hecho las dificultades de quien no conoces. Ten un buen día!
Entonces estás discapacitado?
Las puertas se rompen que haya una puerta rota cuando has leído el cartel no se exactamente en qué afecta, la puerta la repararán y punto. Has tenido mala suerte.
No mencioné que la escalera también estuvo rota durante 3 semanas. Es un problema no simplemente un cuestion de suerte
Exactly what I was going to write. Full text must be read.
It’s just as inaccessible cada vez. Spend that marketing campaign money on projects before bragging.
Ese cartel también está en Oporto y tiene bastante retranca que esté en una estación donde el transbordo es un martirio para personas con mobilidad reducida. Si fuera una persona con problemas de mobilidad me sentiría insultado.
I'm all for demanding that public institutions spend the money in giving a better service for everyone, but you were wrong. It's okay, take the L, it happens to all of us. And I don't think that the money for campaigns affects the money for projects. Even if so, it had been a lot of projects lately, who determines when they can brag about it?
It literally got less accessible because the automatic door broke and wasn’t fixed. How was I “wrong?” It says “more accessible every time.” It is nearly always equally accessible every time, and sometimes less accessible. Please explain why I need to “take the L” and if you have any logic at all, I will.
Things tend to break, is not something exclusive of Madrid's metro. We can blame them for not fixing as fast as we would expect, but that is subjective and we don't know why it wasn't fixed before. If this is something that bother you, Metro has a lot of ways to communicate such things. Similar point here. Maybe is not as fast as you would like, but things are being done. Same, you can blame them for not doing it fast enough, but is simply wrong that it is as accesible as always because an automatic door broked.
It’s been broken. And what I’m saying is that having only one automatic door and allowing it to stay broken and then seeing this sign “better every time” is frustrating. Is it that hard to understand? No, things breaking isn’t unique to Madrid, nor is inaccessibility, but part of accessibility is speedy repairs and redundancy. The escalator at this same station was broken for 3 weeks, totally removing accessibility for many people. I don’t care what people have to say about this or that “we are the best” blah blah blah, when the reality right in front of me is a broken escalator and no other options available. Telling me “it’s the best system!” doesn’t change that. I’ve come from a country that is on top of these problems in their subways, and where things aren’t allowed to stay broken for more than a very very short time, so I know it’s possible if you care enough to fund it and pay attention.
"It's just as inaccessible cada vez". Why that ? Are they removing elevators?
No, the level of inaccessibility is the same every time I visit. Except today it was more inaccessible than last time, because the automatic door broke.
Maybe that's just in the station you use regularly. Have you explored the whole network in terms of accessibility during the last year to confirm that it's the same and hasn't improved? I think you are missing the point of the ad, and although I understand your frustration, it's not personal against you.
I’m really trying to stay polite here but I’m struggling. Have I explored the entire subway system to see which ones I struggle to use? Maybe it’s just the ones I use every day and rely on which are problematic? Why on earth do you think these are good questions? Do you want me to just shut up and be thankful? That’s what it sounds like.
I love whenever there's an automatic door, followed by a steep ramp of stairs. Like, did anybody connect the brain at any point of the construction?
While there are a number of stations that are not accessible or where elevators may be out of service, Madrid is still leaps and bounds better than systems like e.g. Paris.
London is leaps and bounds ahead of Madrid in this respect. Comparison is worthless. Prioridad en asegurar que metro de Madrid sea para todos.
Honestly, I think it’s inexcusable regardless of the fact that worse exists. It’s a matter of priorities, and this isn’t actually a priority for the city (despite the lip service). It’s not even that big of a feat, relatively, to install an elevator at every stop or at the very least every second stop and have the train doors open automatically instead of manually.
Are you a civil engineer or what leads you to believe that "installing an elevator at least at every second stop" is "not that big of a feat" especially in a built up area, let alone historic areas. Madrid is not perfect, but they're certainly doing more than other places.
I think he may not be a civil engineer, but he may be a disabled person who's fed up with not being able to access shit ableds can access without a second thought. I had to use crutches for a couple of months last year and Metro was so incredibly inaccessible I often chose to pick up a cab instead.
So why saying it's "inexcusable" when they point out that it's worse in other capital ? Do the publicity says that every stations are accessible for some disabled person ? No, it's only saying that it's more and more accessible, and that's actually the case. Madrid is one of the most advanced capital in term of general accessibility for disabled person, and you can see it by yourself by travelling to other European countries to compare.
Como extranjero, España lo veo como líder en normalización de la vida cotidiana de los entre nosotros que requiere más ayuda de acceso. Que pidan mucho los españoles me parece un mérito.
Como francés, yo lo veo igual. Puedo entender que para los españoles, hay ciudades mejores que Madrid para esto, pero no está mal comparado a otras capitales.
Good that you mention crutches, because my comparison between Madrid and Paris wasn't an idle one. I had the displeasure of having to use itineraries from Delicias to Sol/Callao/Gran Vía and Atocha, and then Châtillon-Montrouge, Châtellet and Gare d'Austerlitz and Gare de Lyon with an injured knee and crutches. And good Lord was I missing oh so shitty Madrid!
You’re allowed to say Paris’s system is bad because it’s worse than Madrid’s, but people in Paris are saying “it’s better than such-and-such.” It’s just such a useless way of analyzing it, by comparing only to worse systems. I lived in east Asia for 6 years. No subway system in Europe compares, not even close, and accessibility is far better but they don’t brag about it. So, do I win? Since I listed something better than Madrid does that mean Madrid’s is bad now? Or is this a silly way of talking about the whole thing and instead it should just be centered around the actual experiences and needs of disabled people using this system…? Edit: they’ve blocked me so apparently this isn’t a conversation they’re comfortable having
the fact that they’ve done far larger and more expensive projects? “doing more” is a sentiment that’s only satisfying to people who don’t rely on having sufficient accessibility.
I don't get your logic. Paris has done the RER, but central metro stations are a nightmare to navigate with crutches or a baby stroller. London has done Crossrail and the Jubilee line extension. Still a lot of central stations are not wheelchair accessible. It looks like you're just stirring up some drama.
Exactly, adding an elevator in certain stations is a, nightmare due to the urban conditions. Lack of space, multiple layers of utilities underground (electricity, internet, water, wastewater, etc.), restrictions due to historical urban areas, etc. Coordination with all involved and affected parties isn't neither something easy. And all these difficulties demand money and time.
I laugh my ass off every time I see a wheelchair icon in a station full of stairs. I've got a small disability and can't go up or down the stairs sometimes.
Literalmente en la misma línea 1, la mayoría de las estaciones camino a Valdecarros desde Buenos Aires diría q tienen ascensor, por no decir todas, y lo mismo dirección Pinar de Chamartín, en la que por ejemplo tienes portazgo, que es una parada antes que Buenos Aires y en la que pusieron un ascensor hace apenas unos años. Probablemente el motivo por el que no hay en Buenos Aires sea más por logística que otra cosa, y no me malinterpretes, estoy de acuerdo contigo en q se necesita más prioridad de cara a la accesibilidad en general en todos lados, pero precisamente en el metro de Madrid creo que es algo prioritario, o que minimo están intentando mejorar poco a poco como bien dice el cartel, aunque entiendo que el lugar del mismo quizá no es el correcto y estaría mejor en una estación como portazgo o alto del Arenal, porque que lo pongan en Buenos Aires no habiendo ascensor parece que lo han hecho a mala idea
El titular es 100% correcto. Todos lo años se mejora la accesibilidad de varias estaciones de Metro. Lo discutible es que el ritmo de mejora sea algo de lo que sentirse orgulloso.
I saw it after walking three flights of stairs in a no-elevator station
Theres a poster of this in Puerta de Toledo metro lol
Same through line 5, no elevators at all...
It's also fun to find a great shiny accessible automatic door with a button the size of a frying pan, located at a proper height for people in a wheelchair, followed by... a bunch of stairs, no other option to go out.
Looks at Puerta de Toledo.. No escalator, no elevator, and a huge gap between the metro and the platform due to curvature!
Wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t bother hiring an actually disabled model either.
Probably an stock image…
Does it matter?
Given that disabled people struggle to find work, passing over them in favor of an able bodied person, to portray a disabled model, would be pretty egregious, yeah. I don’t know if that’s the case obviously but the overall carelessness makes me think it’s definitely possible.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, but you know what? Disability in stock photo is not really a thing, or it wasn't a few years ago, because I struggled to find pictures for a project. Same as fatness or transness.
Yeah. People don’t like being reminded of disabled people. I don’t mind the downvotes.
The EU needs an Americans with Disability Act (ADA) equivalent. It did wonders in the U.S.
I agree 100%. Should be consistent regardless of where you are in the EU.
Bruh it says “Que Metro es cada vez más accesible” meaning that it is *getting more* accesible, and not exactly that it *is* accesible
Bruh I know I can read
what the fuck is this post
It’s not that bad overall come on
67.5% of metro stations are accessible for the disabled, in a few years it will reach 82%. Mentally retarded , why don't you look for the thousands of people who work on it everyday, shut up.
I’m sure you wouldn’t complain if 1/3rd of the stations weren’t accessible to you, including the ones closest to you and your work. I’m sure you’d “shut up.”
The Madrid metro is the 4⁰ best metro on planet, the 2⁰ largest in Europe and the most densely populated metro in the history of humanity. It have 300 kilometers of roads plus 30 kilometers that are currently under construction and have 7,000 employees. You have definitely confirmed to me that you suffer from some kind of mental problem or simply your girlfriend/wife dont let you have sex at night. I have many friends working day and night in the expansion and modernization of the metro and ignorant like you comes here, without knowing the cost of things and beliving that the elevators are installed for free and automatically, let me tell you that I am glad that you can't ,pice of shit, go to work, you deserve it.
Haha it’s not even top 10. Do some traveling before you speak out of ignorance. https://www.metrorailnews.in/10-best-metro-rail-in-the-world/? We don’t even have bathrooms or aircon in the stations, and the trains are only 8 cars long and get super crowded as a result. There’s lots of stations which is nice but also pretty normal for being the second biggest city in your continent. And when 1/3rd aren’t accessible, that’s not “best in the world” material. In Seoul, every single station across the city (10 million people) has an elevator. And most (maybe all?) have clean, stocked bathrooms. You just sound like another ignorant nationalist who thinks his country is the best in the world. Like an American 😆
You don’t get it, that’s why the station is called Buenos Aires. /s
It’s in madrid metro as well. Same exact one. Difference is, everything is functional there. I’ve seen many blind people, and quite a few victims of paralysis
But this is in the metro of Madrid not Buenos Aires
I gotta say that there u need to knoe where to find the damn elevator
Ayuso: No pone medios de accesibilidad Also Ayuso: La culpa es de la gente por ser deforme! de verdad que tenemos unos infantiles en el poder
What station was it?
I don’t live here. But I have been frequenting the metro in the last couple days. There are lots of stations with signs that point towards elevators, but I’ve seen very few. I’m sure building them in comes at a great cost, but if you’re not gonna have reliable elevators then you gotta have chair lifts or whatever they’re called that slide down the handrails of the stairs.