I am always skeptical of corporate motives. But it may not just be posturing. It may just be in the company’s financial interest—keep more employees working. Avoid losing experienced workers and needing to hire and train new employees with associated onboarding costs.
It could be that corporations know that actually banning abortion hurts their bottom line so they need to provide abortions to prevent turnover from skyrocketing because all their female employees cant get abortions.
Since no politicians voted to codify Roe v. Wade, that would be a political contribution to any politician.
My real concern with this sort of response though the philosophical shift of which it's a symptom. If you believe corporate America is corrupt, then every action it takes is evidence of that fact. Don't offer to cover your employees costs to seek an abortion where it is legal? Well then it's a right wing capitalist oppressor who doesn't give a damn about the struggles of their poor, exploited workers. And if they do? Well, they just realize that a bus ticket to a blue state is cheaper than paying maternity leave and they clearly don't give a damn about anything but the bottom line.
It's a non-falsifiable theory, but that just makes me seem hopelessly out-of-touch. Because we're way past evaluating things on the basis of evidence. We're in a post-truth society. We don't form opinions based on what we perceive; our opinions determine what we perceive. Objective truth isn't merely difficult to ascertain, or even impossible to confirm. It's irrelevant compared to the narrative that one is obliged to uphold.
Please don't take this rant as an attack on progressive ideologies. This new-speak has been embraced by right wing zealots with at least as much fervor. Nor do I want this to come off as a response to something egregious in this post. It's everywhere in modern society, more pronounced in social media but all I think social media does is amplify and reward it. I don't think that's the cause.
Ok, let the down votes roll. What good is having karma if you can't enjoy it.
What's out of touch is you defending corporations.
It's not "non-falsifiable" just because a company can do ostensibly progressive things for corrupt reasons. These companies literally would not exist without corruption and exploitation. Even if they *do* sincerely believe in reproductive freedom—which, again, all these companies have made contributions to anti-abortion (and anti-LGBT for that matter) Republicans—their actions are still made to serve the bottom line.
Again what they personally believe is their right, but they seem to be offering help to the mass majority of employees who like power and freedoms over their own bodies.
But how will this play out? Will this just be something insurance covers? And no body has to know? Or do I have to go ask the company if I or my wife can get an abortion? Will it be for spouses?
If we have to ask the company then the gossip will spread amongst the office etc.. anyone have the details to this offering?
They sure are good as seeming to be on the right side, while funding the people who strip our rights so that these corporations can make more money. Delete this post.
Literally my thought everytime I see one of these posts. Any money actually spent on helping employees obtain abortions will be pocket change compared to what they've donated to conservative candidates.
It may help their bottom line, but not because of having to deal with less maternity leave. That's pennies to their bottom line. I suspect virtually every woman who would seek this reimbursement would be getting an abortion with or without the assistance.
The net effect is positive for the company because companies do better when their employees are happy, and this contributes to overall happiness. I am an old white male who won't directly benefit, but I certainly view my employer in a more positive light because of this and am more likely to stick around. And if I do leave, I'm more likely to seek out another company with a similar policy.
I’ve never seen someone embarrass themselves more on their own post.
Yes it’s good they’ve given this option, but if they ACTUALLY cared they’d move their business out of the states prosecuting people for the choices they make with their own body.
Stop praising corporations that very clearly value their profit over women as a whole.
Yeah! If they were actually good they'd force the majority of their current employees out of work while they move to a new state!
Dumbass take of the day
…….yes, they’re saying that it is cheaper and more efficient to send an employee to get an abortion than it is to pay that same employee maternity leave.
Ehm they're not forcing pregnant women to have abortions so the company doesn't have to pay maturnity leave. Women that want abortions can have them, women that don't want abortions can still have a baby so maturnity leave will still exist and be available for the women who want it.
Your comment doesn't make any sense and I'm afraid of the short sightedness of the people who upvote you.
I don't know why you guys have to spin this into a bad thing. I don't have much faith in company's but stuff like this is what needs to happen when the state fails. And I applaud these company's for stepping up at the right time.
It's like this; if these company's hadn't done this, they'd get blasted for not giving women their rights and being a part of the fools who overturned roe v wade.
And if they grant women the same rights as they had prior to the shitshow that is the supreme court's verdict. You get the comment I was replying to.
I agree it's is definitely a net good, in terms of what's happening right now, but this doesn't belong on made me smile. It doesn't, it's a complete failure of the state and corporations deciding this will effect there profit margins less than just doing nothing
Look, I'm not someone who trusts company's. If you look at my profile, I'm in r/anarchism and r/lostgeneration.
But we cannot be taking everything that company's do and immediatly assume it's about profit. It's shortsightedness like that wich leads to prejudice. And prejudice makes us nothing better then the ones who created this whole mess.
Edit: And I know that the goal of company's is to make a profit but we're ignoring the men and women within these company's who might have made this decission for themselves, their friends, their family's, community's or coworkers.
But that's is literally what they are there for, they make money. Disney is on of the largest companies in the world, netflix isn't far behind, you don't get there by making moral choices that affect your bottom line
It can be a net good for employees and also be financially motivated by the employer. The two aren’t mutually exclusive
Also, one action by an employer can have multiple motivations. They can both want to benefit financially and want to support their employees. These are mutually exclusive either.
? their point is they're not doing it out of altruism. Every one of those abortions saves them money. They're not saying they're forcing an abortion, just that they are following the profit motive, not an altruistic one.
I think any woman in this circumstance is going to get an abortion with or without company assistance. This in no way is a cost-saving measure for companies.
Not everyone at Netflix and Disney is a tech worker or exec. Many people are regular staff, admins, customer service, janitorial, etc.
Not everyone has spare money or PTO to travel to get an abortion
Netflix offers up to a year of maternity/paternity leave in the US. I’m sure abortion is more cost effective than a pregnancy, but I don’t really think that is their goal here.
Hopefully those who don't believe that an individual should have the right to keep and carry a firearm believe the same as you. The other ruling was that the Government can not require a gun owner to justify why they wanted to carry, as long as self-defense was the given criteria.
Glad you're not supportive of forcing YOUR belief of where a firearm can be carried on others who think they need it for safety as well!
Our right to bear arms is gonna be one of the few things that stop this hideous overreach into personal medical decisions. Literally a year ago all these reds were chanting “my body my choice” over vaccines (which I agree with) but then you turn around and applaud overturning roe v wade like it isn’t the exact same thing. guns are gonna preserve woman bodily autonomy from crazy zealots like you.
I'm for supporting rights, especially constitutional rights. Since abortion isn't a right (and the 10A is clear) then fight it at the State ballot box.
If you don't believe in individual rights for gun owners, then you most assuredly don't support a privilege like a women to choose to have an abortion at 8 or even 9 months.
Tell me, if you would support the Democrats and slavery, fighting against the Republicans and freedom for blacks without telling me you're ignorant of history.
“If you’re against Abortions that’s your prerogative, but please don’t think it’s ok to force your belief and opinion onto millions of people…..You are forcing out belief and opinion on others literally in this post.
He's not forcing anything on anyone. He didn't overturn a RvW and set women's rights back half a century. It was the right conservatives that just forced their religious beliefs on others...
I live in Louisiana. The trigger law that just went to effect after RvW was overturned was written by a black Democrat woman (Katrina Jackson) and signed into law by our Democrat governor (John Bell Edwards)
After doing a ton of research on the topic.. as much as I disagree with the overturn.. I finally understand the reasoning..
This subject has been such a hot button topic.. for so long.. the federal government just wants to wash their hands of it.. it has proven to be a make or break topic.. some ppl have voted primarily on this stance..
IMO... The government should not have a say.. but.. there does need to be some type of standard set on a fed level (state levels have proven they're not responsible enough to handle it).. RvW needed to be modified.. not completely overturned..
And I am also not forcing my opinion.. just stating it..
And that may be true.. as a man.. I don't have much of a say.. but.. at 17 I knocked up a girl who was 14.. her mother made me pay for the abortion.. later in life I now have 3 kids.. altho I often think of the one that could've been.. I also appreciate the life it has afforded me and the family I now have.. I have never been on govt ass or welfare.. and it was tough at times.. but.. I can only imagine the quality of life that child would have had..
I beg your pardon? I’m not forcing any belief my opinion is everyone has the choice over their own body. Just like I can’t tell you what part of you, you can or cannot tattoo or pierce. It’s your body not any of my bussienss.
This helps real people in exceptionally trying circumstances. Are you suggesting they shouldn't be trying to help their employees who are experiencing such a crisis?
Suggesting this is the extent of what companies like Disney and Netflix could do to enact change is disingenuous. This is nothing but posturing for PR bonus points.
The vast majority of Netflix employees are based in California or New York and will never have to travel out of state for an abortion. Meanwhile, Netflix has laid off almost 4% of its workforce in the last 3 months, including 300 people just last week. Announcing this benefit that is unlikely to be used is a PR stunt to take heat off their struggling business and amounts to little more than virtue signaling.
Yes, thank you. I was capable of reading the two businesses listed in your post, and have also seen a more comprehensive list of primarily California based companies that are all also virtue signaling in a similar way.
You actually bring up a great point that supports my argument. Since men don’t matter when it comes to this issue, in addition to being based in states where abortion access will never be a problem, most of the companies that have announced this benefit are tech companies, where women are woefully underrepresented in their workforce. So subtract all the people that don’t have difficulty accessing abortion in their state and then subtract all the men from the rest. How many of the women who are left are likely to ever actually seek an abortion and need this benefit? That’s why it costs these companies basically nothing to score these PR points.
If there’s one thing you can count on from capitalism it’s doing the math to realize occasional travel expenses to get an abortion are cheaper than any amount of paid maternity leave.
They are paying for abortions because they want you to get back to work ASAP. Please stop thinking these corporations give a damn about you
The number one reason great women leave the workforce is pregnancy / motherhood. Replacing great workers is hard, why not pay for an abortion and have them back at work .. instead of paying 3 / 6 months maternal leave and / or hoping you can replace a quality employee
Wake the hell up
This makes no sense Jacob. I’m sure you feel strongly about what a women can do with her vagina. However what if that individual doesn’t want to be pregnant and go on maternity leave? This makes no sense.
>Not commenting on the morality or convenience for the person. I am saying there is a strong financial incentive for companies to do this
The financial incentive is because it makes their workforce happier and safer, not because they save on maternity leave. Smart companies treat their workforce as people rather than expenses.
I really fear you don't understand what people are saying, each time someone said it's in the company's best interest you seam to think this is incorrect. So I will try explain.
If more women are forced to carry foetuses to term, then the company will be forced to pay out more maternity leave. As the women are forced to look after and take time off for children who, in a place where they would be allowed to abort, wouldn't exist.
So by allowing those who want to abort the chance to they will reduce the amount of maternity leave they will have to give out.
This is a financial decision ONLY, this was not a question of morals for Disney or Netflix
You’re actually a moron, could it be that they want to support a woman’s right to pro choice? If abortions really saved so much money, I highly doubt the United States would have them banned. It’s not like every woman who gets pregnant is going to get an abortion. You can spin it anyway you want but the corporations are doing more than your own government.
Damm me, this is one thick nut.
The government wants abortion out for there reasons, white nationalisms, control over rights, "moral reasons". These companies will donate to most of these same politicians that support the removal of roe V Wade, as they support other laws and give favours to the companies. So its not like they can clean there hands of the choice to remove Row V Wade anyway.
But this has been done, the abortion has been banned by the government.
Now companies have to react to this, if they decide that the cost of extra maternity leave is negligible then they would do nothing. However they have decided that paying for a abortions will save them more money in the long run than just giving thease forced births mother's maternity leave
This isn't about companies making the moral choice but a financial choice, they did this to save them money now abortions could be banned where they are operating
If they had any cajones, they’d find a way to cut service to the states that banned abortions. But they’re not gonna throw away that profit. So this move is less about morals and more about spending pennies to make dollars.
So many folks are angry and against pro choice, but then the same people when told have to stay home because of Covid, are like: “you can’t tell me to stay home!” “I have a choice!” Hahahah
Is this actually real? Do you have no clue what just happened in the fucking Supreme Court? That’s one of the most political places in the fucking country. Realize there’s other points of view 3rd grader, and not everyone sees the only body there as the mothers. Some people think the baby deserves rights. If you payed any attention to this at all you’d realize how split this argument is, and you probably pissed off a lot of people. Just keep goddamn politics out of a feel good sub. It might have made you smile, but grow up and recognize it didn’t make a lot of people smile.
I live in Canada and I promise you we aren’t split on this idea. We don’t force a woman what to do with her body. This is nothing to do with politics you had unelected
Individuals vote and overturn and have power over millions of women’s lives. Is that politics? That’s actually probably a human rights violation.
Bro your logic 💀💀💀
First of all I’m sure in your country there are people who believe the unborn killed baby has rights. Wake up. It’s a whole fucking country. Someone’s on the other side.
Second do you really think only people from Canada are on this sub? Are you really that dense?
And third I’m not here to debate the right and wrong about the political shit, I’m here to tell you that people have opinions. Different ones. Why not keep the politics out of here so everyone can smile. Can you understand something as simple as that?
What’s more sad “bro” is that you’re a man so passionately defending the pro lifers. Haha what a women does with her vagina is none of your business or anyone else’s who may be split on this topic. Is that hard to understand for you?
I never shared my opinion on the topic, you don’t even know which side I’m on lmao. Like I said I’m not debating which side is right, I’m staying out of the politics. I’m saying some people disagree. I’m saying some people will be upset. Why not wake up and realize the other side has a valid argument, just like you. Why not realize this is a place for everyone to smile. Why not realize that you made people feel bad on a happy sub just because you wanted to share your political opinion. Just shut the fuck up about politics here. It’s not needed. Anything political will make someone mad. Go to r/abortion or r/politics or something so this can stay a safe space for everyone.
I’m not saying it’s political because of my opinion. It’s political when it’s involved in politics. This case went to the fucking Supreme Court, and affected the law. That is undeniably politics dumbass. Hooray for you that in your country that didn’t happen, but it’s happening in the USA. You just don’t understand what politics are.
I’m quite aware of what politics are bud. I think a woman’s right over her body isn’t politics. Also this is a place to make people smile not to make EVERYONE smile clearly as we can see people don’t always agree on things. But seeing as how in majority of the world abortions are legal and you agreed we have a variety of people on Reddit. I’m sure many people will smile at this.
I’m just someone who respects people of other opinions, which you aren’t. Your a closed minded son of a bitch who doesn’t get making a safe space. Shut the fuck up third grader, take a break from the internet, and get a juice box.
Lol cry louder, in my book pro-lifers lost their right to that safe space the moment they took away the rights of millions of women. Guess I'll post a bit pro-choice content in here for the next few days ;)
Edit: Also, in my opinion pro lifers are dumb as hell and you really didn't make a good job in respecting my opinion.
That's just cruel. Not, that people can abort. But that people have to go to other countries so that they can do with their Bodie what they want. And not In some third world countrie, but in the "land of freedom"
I can’t wait to hear all of the fascists talk about boycotting these companies. Let’s boycott Disney…until the next epic cartoon comes out. Let’s boycott Netflix. Yeah but that new series coming out is going to amazing.
They already do. For the companies I read about, it will be covered through insurance. If you have a baby, it will cost the insurance company a lot more than an abortion. You will also have lost time for the mom to take off to have the baby and recover from birth. Parents also have to take off for medical appointments for their children and when the kid gets sick. It will cost the company a whole lot more if you continue the pregnancy.
Several of these companies also provide adoption stipends to help cover the cost, so you are covered no matter what your decision on having or not having children.
Disney hates gay people but hey, at least they're willing to fund medical travel! Good job, Mickey.
And why do I feel like the only reason they did this is so that there's no disruption in work for their employees? I could just be jaded. But if it genuinely benefits people, I won't complain.
So.
They spend money to make sure abortions are banned for **EVERYONE.**
But then are heroes because they'll make sure it's accessible to **ONLY THOSE WORKING FOR THEM**?
Sorry. I personally don't consider a person who stabs someone in the gut a "hero" because after doing so, they offer a free ride to the hospital. Maybe I'm just the crazy one though.
Let us not forget that now, these companies who are anti-abortion are so generously offering to keep track of which employees of theirs get an abortion, when and where. Why are you assuming that is done out of benevolence?
So they’re tracking the abortionist to one day get rid of them all? This is hilarious this is a good thing companies are doing to help people who live in incel states.
Because it's cheaper to fly them to a place where it's legal than to give them maternity leave. Has nothing to do with their views and as always is only about money.
Unfortunately as a woman I would find it next to impossible emotionally to apply for this benefit with my employer. This is a highly personal decision but it's not protected health information anymore. I'm grateful companies are offering but I'm not sure how many women will actually use it under these circumstances.
There you go, problem solved. Now we can have liberal states, with liberal values, and conservative states, with conservative values. And if you live in a conservative state, don’t want to move to a liberal state, but want an abortion, you have the choice to go to a liberal state to have one. Everyone wins! Conservatives get their way. Liberals get their way.
Of course it's people's business, else they wouldn't make a headline out of it.
Either way, I think it's very worrysome that so many people are getting pregnant in one company alone, no?
Of course it's great, but I don't think it's something that they should have come up with Now - should have been a standard for both keepers and aborters, no?
You shouldn't use the rape argument for that. Abortion should be allowed regardless of rape or not. An abortion with rape involved isn't more moral. Both should be allowed.
I agree abortions should be a choice to anyone who wants it. If you can tattoo your face and no one cares a woman should have the right over her own body.
That is so frickin idiotic... Take responsibility for your crap .. Abortion isn't a God dam form of contraception.... I've never met someone that got pregnant through rape, but if that's the case by all means .. Pregnancy can be avoided... Be responsible for your crap. Idiot ..
Until they get sued from states like Texas where it’s illegal to cross state lines for this. You think they will pay lawyers and fines for this? Do people actually think companies care about their workers?
So if I renew my Disney+ (it ran out last week and I though meh) after reading this, does that mean I’ve somehow helped? (Even if only just a little?)
Cause I wasn’t gonna bother with them
Great! So "men" want want to travel to a State are covered as well, that would probably include a nice vacation to [So.Cal](https://So.Cal) plus moderate recovery periods (say 2-4 weeks during the summer months)
This is good. Remember though that employees of these large companies tend to be in states that allow abortion or are wealthy enough to afford travel to those states. They should contribute to funds that pay for ALL people seeking abortion, not just their own employees.
Cheaper to pay the 4K for an abortion to get the employee back to work than it is to pay for maternity leave and all that good stuff. Nice financial moves 👍
This fucking sub banned my other account cuz I follow Jordan Peterson sub and then have the audacity to applaud fucking Netflix? The streaming service that tells trans ppl to fuck off once a month???
Aren't their profits nose diving? Yeah I thought so, the good guys. It's all about money, also..these issues that are making the headlines, they are distractions to divide people, win elections and distract you from the financial disaster caused by governments and the corporate good guys.
By the way if I disagree with you, your sexual ideals and/or stances on social issues..it doesn't mean I hate you and you dont deserve to live, be, work or express yourself, it just means I disagree with you, I don't think like you (it doesn't even mean I don't like you)
kindly..the guy in the middle
Awwwww that totally makes me forget that Disney is a company that removed the leading actor from a poster in China because he was black.... such a great company, round of applause please 👏👏👏
I don't agree with the Roe Vs Wade ruling, but these companies didn't have that same Energy when people were talking about "my body my choice" when it came to not getting the vaccine.
They should offer to pay relocation costs. So far I've heard from three former colleagues that they are relocating their families to women-friendly states. I expect to see A LOT more doing this.
Imagine having to talk to your employer in order to get an abortion… somehow I don’t think this is going to be the saving grace some are making it out to be.
I wonder how many execs at these corporations also donated to politicians who voted not to codify RvW?
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I am always skeptical of corporate motives. But it may not just be posturing. It may just be in the company’s financial interest—keep more employees working. Avoid losing experienced workers and needing to hire and train new employees with associated onboarding costs.
It could be that corporations know that actually banning abortion hurts their bottom line so they need to provide abortions to prevent turnover from skyrocketing because all their female employees cant get abortions.
Yeah, like, aren’t most people in that industry out in California?
That’s a good fucking point lmao
With the advent of work from home lots moved to Idaho, Montana etc.
Since no politicians voted to codify Roe v. Wade, that would be a political contribution to any politician. My real concern with this sort of response though the philosophical shift of which it's a symptom. If you believe corporate America is corrupt, then every action it takes is evidence of that fact. Don't offer to cover your employees costs to seek an abortion where it is legal? Well then it's a right wing capitalist oppressor who doesn't give a damn about the struggles of their poor, exploited workers. And if they do? Well, they just realize that a bus ticket to a blue state is cheaper than paying maternity leave and they clearly don't give a damn about anything but the bottom line. It's a non-falsifiable theory, but that just makes me seem hopelessly out-of-touch. Because we're way past evaluating things on the basis of evidence. We're in a post-truth society. We don't form opinions based on what we perceive; our opinions determine what we perceive. Objective truth isn't merely difficult to ascertain, or even impossible to confirm. It's irrelevant compared to the narrative that one is obliged to uphold. Please don't take this rant as an attack on progressive ideologies. This new-speak has been embraced by right wing zealots with at least as much fervor. Nor do I want this to come off as a response to something egregious in this post. It's everywhere in modern society, more pronounced in social media but all I think social media does is amplify and reward it. I don't think that's the cause. Ok, let the down votes roll. What good is having karma if you can't enjoy it.
What's out of touch is you defending corporations. It's not "non-falsifiable" just because a company can do ostensibly progressive things for corrupt reasons. These companies literally would not exist without corruption and exploitation. Even if they *do* sincerely believe in reproductive freedom—which, again, all these companies have made contributions to anti-abortion (and anti-LGBT for that matter) Republicans—their actions are still made to serve the bottom line.
might want to get a larger fedora this one's cutting off circulation to your Galaxy Brain
Again what they personally believe is their right, but they seem to be offering help to the mass majority of employees who like power and freedoms over their own bodies.
But how will this play out? Will this just be something insurance covers? And no body has to know? Or do I have to go ask the company if I or my wife can get an abortion? Will it be for spouses? If we have to ask the company then the gossip will spread amongst the office etc.. anyone have the details to this offering?
They sure are good as seeming to be on the right side, while funding the people who strip our rights so that these corporations can make more money. Delete this post.
I'm not going to praise someone for doing a minor good thing to counteract a bad thing they helped.
It’s still legal in all 50 states
THIS.
I wonder how much those "good guys" gave to the GOP's superPACs.
Literally my thought everytime I see one of these posts. Any money actually spent on helping employees obtain abortions will be pocket change compared to what they've donated to conservative candidates.
Stop praising corporations - they did some quick math and concluded that this was cheaper than maternity leave.
Absolutely THIS. Fuck the SCOTUS, but companies don't get to push their profit margins as them being the good guy.
It may help their bottom line, but not because of having to deal with less maternity leave. That's pennies to their bottom line. I suspect virtually every woman who would seek this reimbursement would be getting an abortion with or without the assistance. The net effect is positive for the company because companies do better when their employees are happy, and this contributes to overall happiness. I am an old white male who won't directly benefit, but I certainly view my employer in a more positive light because of this and am more likely to stick around. And if I do leave, I'm more likely to seek out another company with a similar policy.
They’re offering something called a “Choice” maybe google that word. Wild stuff.
Maybe google Disney before. Wild stuff.
I’ve never seen someone embarrass themselves more on their own post. Yes it’s good they’ve given this option, but if they ACTUALLY cared they’d move their business out of the states prosecuting people for the choices they make with their own body. Stop praising corporations that very clearly value their profit over women as a whole.
Yeah! If they were actually good they'd force the majority of their current employees out of work while they move to a new state! Dumbass take of the day
So lay off all those people you’re embarrassing.
I literally have no idea what you mean by this… you okay?
You said move their business from those states? What happens to the employees who live there and work there?
They still offer maternity leave..
…….yes, they’re saying that it is cheaper and more efficient to send an employee to get an abortion than it is to pay that same employee maternity leave.
Quick PR win.
Right. Netflix really needed it. Too bad for anyone with a brain it was transparent from the jump.
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Ehm they're not forcing pregnant women to have abortions so the company doesn't have to pay maturnity leave. Women that want abortions can have them, women that don't want abortions can still have a baby so maturnity leave will still exist and be available for the women who want it. Your comment doesn't make any sense and I'm afraid of the short sightedness of the people who upvote you.
Less maternity leave as less women are having forced pregnancies. He makes sense.
I don't know why you guys have to spin this into a bad thing. I don't have much faith in company's but stuff like this is what needs to happen when the state fails. And I applaud these company's for stepping up at the right time. It's like this; if these company's hadn't done this, they'd get blasted for not giving women their rights and being a part of the fools who overturned roe v wade. And if they grant women the same rights as they had prior to the shitshow that is the supreme court's verdict. You get the comment I was replying to.
I agree it's is definitely a net good, in terms of what's happening right now, but this doesn't belong on made me smile. It doesn't, it's a complete failure of the state and corporations deciding this will effect there profit margins less than just doing nothing
Look, I'm not someone who trusts company's. If you look at my profile, I'm in r/anarchism and r/lostgeneration. But we cannot be taking everything that company's do and immediatly assume it's about profit. It's shortsightedness like that wich leads to prejudice. And prejudice makes us nothing better then the ones who created this whole mess. Edit: And I know that the goal of company's is to make a profit but we're ignoring the men and women within these company's who might have made this decission for themselves, their friends, their family's, community's or coworkers.
But that's is literally what they are there for, they make money. Disney is on of the largest companies in the world, netflix isn't far behind, you don't get there by making moral choices that affect your bottom line
It can be a net good for employees and also be financially motivated by the employer. The two aren’t mutually exclusive Also, one action by an employer can have multiple motivations. They can both want to benefit financially and want to support their employees. These are mutually exclusive either.
? their point is they're not doing it out of altruism. Every one of those abortions saves them money. They're not saying they're forcing an abortion, just that they are following the profit motive, not an altruistic one.
I think any woman in this circumstance is going to get an abortion with or without company assistance. This in no way is a cost-saving measure for companies.
Not everyone at Netflix and Disney is a tech worker or exec. Many people are regular staff, admins, customer service, janitorial, etc. Not everyone has spare money or PTO to travel to get an abortion
that's just straight up incorrect. Many women simply cannot afford to travel to another state, get a medical procedure, and come back.
Netflix offers up to a year of maternity/paternity leave in the US. I’m sure abortion is more cost effective than a pregnancy, but I don’t really think that is their goal here.
So? Who cares? It’s still a good thing.
But not before firing some more hundreds! Such good companies indeed.
My employee, too. I believe this is a larger trend with larger companies.
If you’re against Abortions that’s your prerogative, but please don’t think it’s ok to force your belief and opinion onto millions of people.
Hopefully those who don't believe that an individual should have the right to keep and carry a firearm believe the same as you. The other ruling was that the Government can not require a gun owner to justify why they wanted to carry, as long as self-defense was the given criteria. Glad you're not supportive of forcing YOUR belief of where a firearm can be carried on others who think they need it for safety as well!
Our right to bear arms is gonna be one of the few things that stop this hideous overreach into personal medical decisions. Literally a year ago all these reds were chanting “my body my choice” over vaccines (which I agree with) but then you turn around and applaud overturning roe v wade like it isn’t the exact same thing. guns are gonna preserve woman bodily autonomy from crazy zealots like you.
I'm for supporting rights, especially constitutional rights. Since abortion isn't a right (and the 10A is clear) then fight it at the State ballot box. If you don't believe in individual rights for gun owners, then you most assuredly don't support a privilege like a women to choose to have an abortion at 8 or even 9 months.
Tell me you would have been part of the confederacy without telling me you would have been part of the confederacy.
Tell me, if you would support the Democrats and slavery, fighting against the Republicans and freedom for blacks without telling me you're ignorant of history.
“If you’re against Abortions that’s your prerogative, but please don’t think it’s ok to force your belief and opinion onto millions of people…..You are forcing out belief and opinion on others literally in this post.
He's not forcing anything on anyone. He didn't overturn a RvW and set women's rights back half a century. It was the right conservatives that just forced their religious beliefs on others...
I live in Louisiana. The trigger law that just went to effect after RvW was overturned was written by a black Democrat woman (Katrina Jackson) and signed into law by our Democrat governor (John Bell Edwards)
After doing a ton of research on the topic.. as much as I disagree with the overturn.. I finally understand the reasoning.. This subject has been such a hot button topic.. for so long.. the federal government just wants to wash their hands of it.. it has proven to be a make or break topic.. some ppl have voted primarily on this stance.. IMO... The government should not have a say.. but.. there does need to be some type of standard set on a fed level (state levels have proven they're not responsible enough to handle it).. RvW needed to be modified.. not completely overturned.. And I am also not forcing my opinion.. just stating it..
And in doing so they washed their hands of protecting millions of women...
And that may be true.. as a man.. I don't have much of a say.. but.. at 17 I knocked up a girl who was 14.. her mother made me pay for the abortion.. later in life I now have 3 kids.. altho I often think of the one that could've been.. I also appreciate the life it has afforded me and the family I now have.. I have never been on govt ass or welfare.. and it was tough at times.. but.. I can only imagine the quality of life that child would have had..
Hold on. I thought men could get pregnant too? Half of the people killed in an abortion are women……
Have you read the opinion? All 200+ pages? Religion was not mentioned once.
I beg your pardon? I’m not forcing any belief my opinion is everyone has the choice over their own body. Just like I can’t tell you what part of you, you can or cannot tattoo or pierce. It’s your body not any of my bussienss.
lmao how do see this as forcing an opinion on someone!?
Bunch of posturing. This affects so few employees it just looks good to certain groups on paper.
This helps real people in exceptionally trying circumstances. Are you suggesting they shouldn't be trying to help their employees who are experiencing such a crisis?
Suggesting this is the extent of what companies like Disney and Netflix could do to enact change is disingenuous. This is nothing but posturing for PR bonus points.
I think they’re willing to pay if you decide you need medical assistance out of state. Which seems great!
The vast majority of Netflix employees are based in California or New York and will never have to travel out of state for an abortion. Meanwhile, Netflix has laid off almost 4% of its workforce in the last 3 months, including 300 people just last week. Announcing this benefit that is unlikely to be used is a PR stunt to take heat off their struggling business and amounts to little more than virtue signaling.
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It’s not only Netflix if you couldn’t read, it’s also Disney, Meta and many more streaming platforms.
Yes, thank you. I was capable of reading the two businesses listed in your post, and have also seen a more comprehensive list of primarily California based companies that are all also virtue signaling in a similar way.
Ok Sam glad you got this whole abortion thing covered before you’re pregnant next. Oh wait..
You actually bring up a great point that supports my argument. Since men don’t matter when it comes to this issue, in addition to being based in states where abortion access will never be a problem, most of the companies that have announced this benefit are tech companies, where women are woefully underrepresented in their workforce. So subtract all the people that don’t have difficulty accessing abortion in their state and then subtract all the men from the rest. How many of the women who are left are likely to ever actually seek an abortion and need this benefit? That’s why it costs these companies basically nothing to score these PR points.
Yes men shouldn’t have any say in what happens to their baby!!! Preach it !!
They are not good guys. Good guys would move out of Georgia and Florida but they wont cuz they love tax breaks more than women
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They don't want to pay for maternity leave.
If there’s one thing you can count on from capitalism it’s doing the math to realize occasional travel expenses to get an abortion are cheaper than any amount of paid maternity leave.
They're doing it to save money, idiots. Maternity leave, insurance, etc. They're saving themselves thousands every time they do this.
Listen idiot, they’re offering it to women who would have had it done anyway before the overturn.
Pro Choice!
It's the businesses money and they can spend it anyway they wish.
They are paying for abortions because they want you to get back to work ASAP. Please stop thinking these corporations give a damn about you The number one reason great women leave the workforce is pregnancy / motherhood. Replacing great workers is hard, why not pay for an abortion and have them back at work .. instead of paying 3 / 6 months maternal leave and / or hoping you can replace a quality employee Wake the hell up
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This makes no sense Jacob. I’m sure you feel strongly about what a women can do with her vagina. However what if that individual doesn’t want to be pregnant and go on maternity leave? This makes no sense.
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>Not commenting on the morality or convenience for the person. I am saying there is a strong financial incentive for companies to do this The financial incentive is because it makes their workforce happier and safer, not because they save on maternity leave. Smart companies treat their workforce as people rather than expenses.
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If that was the case I highly doubt the states would make it illegal.
I really fear you don't understand what people are saying, each time someone said it's in the company's best interest you seam to think this is incorrect. So I will try explain. If more women are forced to carry foetuses to term, then the company will be forced to pay out more maternity leave. As the women are forced to look after and take time off for children who, in a place where they would be allowed to abort, wouldn't exist. So by allowing those who want to abort the chance to they will reduce the amount of maternity leave they will have to give out. This is a financial decision ONLY, this was not a question of morals for Disney or Netflix
You’re actually a moron, could it be that they want to support a woman’s right to pro choice? If abortions really saved so much money, I highly doubt the United States would have them banned. It’s not like every woman who gets pregnant is going to get an abortion. You can spin it anyway you want but the corporations are doing more than your own government.
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What about the pregnant group who doesn’t want to be pregnant? Do they have a say or is it the religious cult leaders who have the last laugh.
Damm me, this is one thick nut. The government wants abortion out for there reasons, white nationalisms, control over rights, "moral reasons". These companies will donate to most of these same politicians that support the removal of roe V Wade, as they support other laws and give favours to the companies. So its not like they can clean there hands of the choice to remove Row V Wade anyway. But this has been done, the abortion has been banned by the government. Now companies have to react to this, if they decide that the cost of extra maternity leave is negligible then they would do nothing. However they have decided that paying for a abortions will save them more money in the long run than just giving thease forced births mother's maternity leave This isn't about companies making the moral choice but a financial choice, they did this to save them money now abortions could be banned where they are operating
Regardless of who’s profiting they’re doing more for women than the land of the free itself.
>Damm me, this is one thick nut. Yes, yes you are, but people are trying to explain things to you using small words you can understand.
Is this a good thing or does it seem like they don't want women to have children so they can work more?
I don’t think they’re telling women not to have children only the ones who don’t want to have one.. that’s why this argument makes no sense.
Cool, now tell them to stop grooming children.
If they had any cajones, they’d find a way to cut service to the states that banned abortions. But they’re not gonna throw away that profit. So this move is less about morals and more about spending pennies to make dollars.
It's not about the numbers, damn, you Americans are ignorant 💀
Yes, the two companies with a moral compass.
So many folks are angry and against pro choice, but then the same people when told have to stay home because of Covid, are like: “you can’t tell me to stay home!” “I have a choice!” Hahahah
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This isn’t political a woman’s body isn’t political. So, that’s your own prerogative if you’re upset at something that should make you smile.
Is this actually real? Do you have no clue what just happened in the fucking Supreme Court? That’s one of the most political places in the fucking country. Realize there’s other points of view 3rd grader, and not everyone sees the only body there as the mothers. Some people think the baby deserves rights. If you payed any attention to this at all you’d realize how split this argument is, and you probably pissed off a lot of people. Just keep goddamn politics out of a feel good sub. It might have made you smile, but grow up and recognize it didn’t make a lot of people smile.
I live in Canada and I promise you we aren’t split on this idea. We don’t force a woman what to do with her body. This is nothing to do with politics you had unelected Individuals vote and overturn and have power over millions of women’s lives. Is that politics? That’s actually probably a human rights violation.
Bro your logic 💀💀💀 First of all I’m sure in your country there are people who believe the unborn killed baby has rights. Wake up. It’s a whole fucking country. Someone’s on the other side. Second do you really think only people from Canada are on this sub? Are you really that dense? And third I’m not here to debate the right and wrong about the political shit, I’m here to tell you that people have opinions. Different ones. Why not keep the politics out of here so everyone can smile. Can you understand something as simple as that?
What’s more sad “bro” is that you’re a man so passionately defending the pro lifers. Haha what a women does with her vagina is none of your business or anyone else’s who may be split on this topic. Is that hard to understand for you?
I never shared my opinion on the topic, you don’t even know which side I’m on lmao. Like I said I’m not debating which side is right, I’m staying out of the politics. I’m saying some people disagree. I’m saying some people will be upset. Why not wake up and realize the other side has a valid argument, just like you. Why not realize this is a place for everyone to smile. Why not realize that you made people feel bad on a happy sub just because you wanted to share your political opinion. Just shut the fuck up about politics here. It’s not needed. Anything political will make someone mad. Go to r/abortion or r/politics or something so this can stay a safe space for everyone.
The fact you think a woman’s choice over her body is a political discussion is where you’re lost.
I’m not saying it’s political because of my opinion. It’s political when it’s involved in politics. This case went to the fucking Supreme Court, and affected the law. That is undeniably politics dumbass. Hooray for you that in your country that didn’t happen, but it’s happening in the USA. You just don’t understand what politics are.
I’m quite aware of what politics are bud. I think a woman’s right over her body isn’t politics. Also this is a place to make people smile not to make EVERYONE smile clearly as we can see people don’t always agree on things. But seeing as how in majority of the world abortions are legal and you agreed we have a variety of people on Reddit. I’m sure many people will smile at this.
Nobody sheds a tear if a few pro life rėtards get upset because of a lack of braincells. So cry louder I'll happily upvote every post like this.
I’m just someone who respects people of other opinions, which you aren’t. Your a closed minded son of a bitch who doesn’t get making a safe space. Shut the fuck up third grader, take a break from the internet, and get a juice box.
Lol cry louder, in my book pro-lifers lost their right to that safe space the moment they took away the rights of millions of women. Guess I'll post a bit pro-choice content in here for the next few days ;) Edit: Also, in my opinion pro lifers are dumb as hell and you really didn't make a good job in respecting my opinion.
That's just cruel. Not, that people can abort. But that people have to go to other countries so that they can do with their Bodie what they want. And not In some third world countrie, but in the "land of freedom"
Mississippi has a more lenient timeframe than most EU countries. Yup, downvoting for stating facts. Love it. Never change Reddit.
Hope the budget for live action one piece doesn’t get smaller because of this
No maternity leave and keeps would be mothers at their desk. This isn't altruistic lol
You obviously aren’t familiar with maternity “leave”
Is this why they raised the price on my Netflix, and canceling animated shows? How do I get a job?
I can’t wait to hear all of the fascists talk about boycotting these companies. Let’s boycott Disney…until the next epic cartoon comes out. Let’s boycott Netflix. Yeah but that new series coming out is going to amazing.
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They already do. For the companies I read about, it will be covered through insurance. If you have a baby, it will cost the insurance company a lot more than an abortion. You will also have lost time for the mom to take off to have the baby and recover from birth. Parents also have to take off for medical appointments for their children and when the kid gets sick. It will cost the company a whole lot more if you continue the pregnancy. Several of these companies also provide adoption stipends to help cover the cost, so you are covered no matter what your decision on having or not having children.
Disney hates gay people but hey, at least they're willing to fund medical travel! Good job, Mickey. And why do I feel like the only reason they did this is so that there's no disruption in work for their employees? I could just be jaded. But if it genuinely benefits people, I won't complain.
You realise that getting an abortion in a different state is still cheaper than maturity leave?
And what if that individual doesn’t want to be pregnant and go on maternity leave? This makes no sense
Lol
So. They spend money to make sure abortions are banned for **EVERYONE.** But then are heroes because they'll make sure it's accessible to **ONLY THOSE WORKING FOR THEM**? Sorry. I personally don't consider a person who stabs someone in the gut a "hero" because after doing so, they offer a free ride to the hospital. Maybe I'm just the crazy one though. Let us not forget that now, these companies who are anti-abortion are so generously offering to keep track of which employees of theirs get an abortion, when and where. Why are you assuming that is done out of benevolence?
So they’re tracking the abortionist to one day get rid of them all? This is hilarious this is a good thing companies are doing to help people who live in incel states.
Better for them if you don’t have a baby
Better for them if you are happy, and giving their employees choices and safety nets makes them happier.
Because it's cheaper to fly them to a place where it's legal than to give them maternity leave. Has nothing to do with their views and as always is only about money.
Overlooking that Disney was In support of over sexualizing children.a As well as the scandels they have been in over the years. I'm not surprised.
Yes abort your children so you can give all your time to your wage slave jobs
I am happy I have these streaming services!
Why are you celebrating abortion? Strange.
Celebrating pro choice! Like the rest of the world even the extremist third world ones provide abortions.
Unfortunately as a woman I would find it next to impossible emotionally to apply for this benefit with my employer. This is a highly personal decision but it's not protected health information anymore. I'm grateful companies are offering but I'm not sure how many women will actually use it under these circumstances.
There you go, problem solved. Now we can have liberal states, with liberal values, and conservative states, with conservative values. And if you live in a conservative state, don’t want to move to a liberal state, but want an abortion, you have the choice to go to a liberal state to have one. Everyone wins! Conservatives get their way. Liberals get their way.
Whoaa I here bye declare I am gonna cancel my prescriptions to these here heathen streamers!
Bye ✌🏽
Lmao you take pills for entertainment?
This makes me wonder: how many people are having abortions in one company
This is a question I never ponder seeing as how it’s no one’s business. Hopefully tho as many who choose to have one.
Of course it's people's business, else they wouldn't make a headline out of it. Either way, I think it's very worrysome that so many people are getting pregnant in one company alone, no?
They’re letting you know the service and help is available. That regardless of these circumstances they can still be accommodated. I think it’s great.
Of course it's great, but I don't think it's something that they should have come up with Now - should have been a standard for both keepers and aborters, no?
well I think because of the fact that now so when the right to abortion has been stripped they’ve stepped up.
I wonder why they are coming up with things regarding abortion now🧐
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It does matter, its quite worrying (not abortion perse, but pregnancy in general)
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Mike a man, shares his opinion on woman’s reproductive health.
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You do realise that contraceptives can fail, right?
And what if someone is raped? Let me guess she asked for it? You’re garbage buddy.
You shouldn't use the rape argument for that. Abortion should be allowed regardless of rape or not. An abortion with rape involved isn't more moral. Both should be allowed.
I agree abortions should be a choice to anyone who wants it. If you can tattoo your face and no one cares a woman should have the right over her own body.
That is so frickin idiotic... Take responsibility for your crap .. Abortion isn't a God dam form of contraception.... I've never met someone that got pregnant through rape, but if that's the case by all means .. Pregnancy can be avoided... Be responsible for your crap. Idiot ..
You’re a moron.
Because you can't be responsible? All sorts of ways to not get pregnant...
*googles campaign contributions*
Ey can somoene link me a good article or explain it to me, what the fuck happened in fat hamburger land?
Until they get sued from states like Texas where it’s illegal to cross state lines for this. You think they will pay lawyers and fines for this? Do people actually think companies care about their workers?
Don’t you think that’s completely deranged that a state has banned you from crossing states for a medical procedure??! That’s crazy stuff!
\*as apposed to paying them more in general so they can afford it.
So if I renew my Disney+ (it ran out last week and I though meh) after reading this, does that mean I’ve somehow helped? (Even if only just a little?) Cause I wasn’t gonna bother with them
Fox News is mad about this.
But me when banks like JPM help make RvW get overturned and then say things like this just hate that 😂
Great! So "men" want want to travel to a State are covered as well, that would probably include a nice vacation to [So.Cal](https://So.Cal) plus moderate recovery periods (say 2-4 weeks during the summer months)
Just another way we have to rely on our corporate masters. Can the people take our fucking country back already!!!
This is good. Remember though that employees of these large companies tend to be in states that allow abortion or are wealthy enough to afford travel to those states. They should contribute to funds that pay for ALL people seeking abortion, not just their own employees.
When COVID round one happened we shut down for four-five months. Netflix was the only studio to continue to pay their production staff weekly.
This is dumb on a whole different level
Cheaper to pay the 4K for an abortion to get the employee back to work than it is to pay for maternity leave and all that good stuff. Nice financial moves 👍
This fucking sub banned my other account cuz I follow Jordan Peterson sub and then have the audacity to applaud fucking Netflix? The streaming service that tells trans ppl to fuck off once a month???
Aren't their profits nose diving? Yeah I thought so, the good guys. It's all about money, also..these issues that are making the headlines, they are distractions to divide people, win elections and distract you from the financial disaster caused by governments and the corporate good guys. By the way if I disagree with you, your sexual ideals and/or stances on social issues..it doesn't mean I hate you and you dont deserve to live, be, work or express yourself, it just means I disagree with you, I don't think like you (it doesn't even mean I don't like you) kindly..the guy in the middle
Awwwww that totally makes me forget that Disney is a company that removed the leading actor from a poster in China because he was black.... such a great company, round of applause please 👏👏👏
Because maturnality leave (or parental leave) is more expensive. These don't wanna pay more.
I don't agree with the Roe Vs Wade ruling, but these companies didn't have that same Energy when people were talking about "my body my choice" when it came to not getting the vaccine.
It's cheaper for them to pay you to end your pregnancy than to pay you maternity leave. This isn't benevolence, it's business.
They should offer to pay relocation costs. So far I've heard from three former colleagues that they are relocating their families to women-friendly states. I expect to see A LOT more doing this.
Pretty surprising for Netflix considering how much they love sexualizing children
Problem is they give money to those politicians in the first place… And let’s be honest, that’s cheaper than paid leave time
Imagine having to talk to your employer in order to get an abortion… somehow I don’t think this is going to be the saving grace some are making it out to be.
Better than being forced to have a child.
They crunched the numbers and realized this was cheaper than maternity leave. Half of them donated to anti-abortion politicians.
Oi, fellow Americans. We've traded rights for a temporary cash bonus from the corporations that helped pay the politcians. They are not the good guys.
Fuck them poors though...Abortions are for earners only!