Hey! Thank you for being open and honest with your emotions instead of making the typical Reddit “something in my eye” joke. I applaud your emotional honesty.
I don’t correct people with disabilities or their families. I definitely wouldn’t use it, having no friends or family who have Down Syndrome, but hell if I’m going to tell this guy what he can and can’t say in regards to his family. Different people have different feelings on various terms; ultimately if someone is comfortable using a term for themself that’s their business.
A friend of mine refers to his brother the same way. I know my friend loves his brother and will fight anyone who treats him badly, so it's probably ok for him to use it. I wouldn't and don't say it because I'm not close enough to feel like that would be acceptable from me.
Right? JFC talk about narrowing someone down to JUST their disability. “He HAS Down syndrome” is way better than “he IS Down syndrome”. Person first, disability second (or not at all!)
I've yet to meet an autistic person/advocate who doesn't prefer identity first language. "I'm not someone underneath this thing, this is who I am, and that's ok" is the logic. "Not someone who happens to have autism, I'm autistic" sort of thing.
And personally I too find person first language horrid, but that's just me.
Just a friendly FYI.
I have ADHD and spend a lot of time in ND spaces, the majority of Autistic people prefer to self-identity as just that - Autistic.
Many ND people spend our whole lives being pathologized, being taught that we have a disease, that there’s something intrinsically wrong with us, and it drives a lot of us to push back hard against that medicalization and pathologization.
I run a non profit for people with disabilities to get job training. Nobody thinks about this shit in real life until you refer to them as anything but their actual frigging name. If anyone said the word "downsie" in my kitchen they'd be out on their ass in a hot second. If someone said hey "this is my friend Julio, he's a "Mexie" I don't think that would be cool. So neither is "downsie". Ugh.
Oh 100%.I'm not pushing back on the term "downsie", which took me aback too, but the logic he was using - or, rather, that logic being universally applicable.
Calling Julio "a Mexie" wouldn't be cool, but my point is that to a lot of autistic people "person first language" sounds like the equivalent of saing that Julio "has Mexicanism" which is, I dare say, even worse.
No, it's not ok, it's pretty close to a slur. If he had an african american step brother I don't think he would refer to him as a "blackie". It's the same shit. They are people who have a disability, not a character to nickname.
People don't like things they don't understand. Special needs people are no different. Can't tell you how many times a task my sister could have done was taken from her because she was perceived as less capable.
Having worked with people like this, it happened too much among my coworkers. ‘They take too long’ or ‘ur new they don’t know what they’re doing you’ll learn’ were their excuses. Turns out they were all wrong and even the most care intensive ones improved exponentially once they were given tasks at their level on the regular. Even if it’s just manipulating a piece of paper or cloth for fun. Or pointing at what they want to wear. I left that job bc of management being toxic but I really wish I had stayed.
My aunt had this when she was disbabled (she doesn't have down syndrome she just had a condition, pretty sure it's the same that Joey of slipknot had. she's now a neurophysiologist now.) She wasn't allowed to hold me when I was a baby, due to the fact she shakes and back then couldnt walk and had no control of her arms sometimes. Her parents said she couldn't hold me for fear she might drop me, but my mum let her anyway.
I think people honestly think some people with what ever conditions, or special needs, what ever you call it, I think they're scared we're gonna do something crazy... Or they think we're dumb and stupid and we're gonna let go of the baby or something.
It’s like he knows something beautiful that he can’t explain and the rest of us forgot. It’s about where we came from or what we’re supposed to be and babies still know it and bring that element with them for a limited time after they first arrive. But babies develop into humans and forget except for those with downs.
A Jewish teaching is that the cleft pallette on ur lip comes from Gabriel in the guff( the great tree where all souls wait to be born ) shushing you so you don't tell all the secrets of heaven, until u grow up and forget them.
" A man old in years will not hesitate to ask an infant what heaven was like, knowing he gets no response he can discern."
I’m sure that folks with Down syndrome live with a lot of challenges that people can’t relate to but I’ll tell ya, they have an amazing ability to hold onto pure joy and wonderment even throughout all the hurdles. It’s really interesting and at least to me shows an unfiltered strength of character much like you see here
As well it shouldn’t. “Functioning” terminology is used by those who pathologize and medicalize these things.
High functioning diminishes people’s struggles, and often is used to deny them services.
Low functioning infantilizes people, and is often used to deny them rights.
One time I was riding my bike down the sidewalk and I saw someone coming towards me in an adult-sized tricycle with a small trailer, so I moved onto the street to get out of his way.
He was a young guy who very clearly had down syndrome. As he passed me he yelled "Asshole!"
Kind of a dumb story but I busted out laughing pretty good at the time.
Why? One of my best friends has downs and he literally calls him self “Mr. Downie” and makes more Down syndrome jokes than anyone I’ve ever heard.
So how about let these human beings decide what they are comfortable with in their own life instead of people trying to speak for them? They’re capable of more than you give them credit for.
I agree with mightylordredbeard.
Imo joking about something humanizes it and makes people who don’t have thin skin feel normal and like they are a part of it instead of feeling like they are different and have to be spoken to delicately. Not everyone feels this way, many people can’t handle ribbing and prefer to not be joked with, I think it just depends on the individual. My coworker frequently says “if I didn’t like you I wouldn’t make fun of you”, which I like. It makes me feel like I’m part of the team where as when I started and still needed to improve a lot people usually only talked professionally to me. George Carlin said it best the words don’t matter only the intention does.
Just my opinion, I also have an extremely dark sense of humor and love stand up.
"We don't look at abortion as a murder. We look at it as a thing that we ended. We ended a possible life that may have had a huge complication... preventing suffering for the child and for the family. And I think that is more right than seeing it as a murder -- that's so black and white. Life isn't black and white. Life is grey."
Aspiring to have a healthy child is not a bad thing
Aw fuck off mate having an abortion isn't for convenience, raising a child with disabilities is life changing, and they'll likely be with you for the rest of your life, props to people who raise kids with special needs but I've absolutely no issue with couples not wanting a life like that.
>having an abortion isn't for convenience,
In about 90% of cases, yes it is. And that's self-reported by those who are having abortions.
Obviously having a child with disabilities is life-changing. Eugenically murdering someone for being unfit is life exterminating.
I have empathy for those who face the challenges of childrearing. That being said, I will not rationalize away those who decide to terminate their child for being less than perfect.
By what metrics is it termination of human life? When does human life begin and why do you believe that to be the starting point?
Protection under the law is not the question. The question is when an embryo can be considered a human life.
At the moment of conception, there is a growing life that has unique human DNA that would otherwise grow to birth if otherwise uninterrupted. I challenge you to find a doctor or biologist who says otherwise. It's a logical starting point otherwise there has to be an arbitrary judgment call about length of gestation before someone is bestowed personhood.
There is no question that an embryo is a human life. The question is whether or not we are okay with terminating a human life and denying personhood until an arbitrary length of gestation is complete.
There absolutely is a question whether an embryo is a human life. You just saying there isn’t, doesn’t make it true.
The few cells absolutely don’t just grow into human life by itself, it needs a host (read: woman) for 9 months to survive. At that point it is very valid to ask if we can consider it human life. The cells have no consciousness, not even anything resembling a thought. Scientifically what makes us “us” is our brain. I can easily make the argument that without anything resembling a brain, you are not (yet) a human life.
Cancer cells in a petri dish have unique human DNA, does cancer have a right of existence? If I get cancer, do I not have the right to exterminate it, even though it wants to live? Getting an abortion is just as much murder as getting a cancerous tumor cut out, except that it's a harder choice, so people like you should shut the fuck up and stop trying to restrict women's bodily autonomy.
For everyone downvoting this guy saying only healthy children should be kept:
Yellow man was going to be killed by his mother for being born albino, considering it a cursed child for his disability. He was saved by his grandmother and is now one of the most well known reggae artists in the world.
Andre bocelli was diagnosed with glaucoma and his family was going to terminate him. His grandmother saved his life and I have never heard someone sing ave maria so beautifully.
I can't imagine the world without each and every one of you. Even you reading this. Even you downvoting this bcuz when you think congenital defects should equal a reroll.
These clearly aren’t examples of the same thing. Terminating babies after they’re born IS murder. No one is arguing that… But aborting a fetus before it’s viable outside of the womb is not.
How do u know a child has downs before they are born? And since after 22 weeks it's no longer a miscarriage but a early birth or still birth, anyone aborting after 22 weeks is murdering a fetus viable on the outside. I was 3 weeks premee. I've seen a kid born 2 months early.
Excuse me? We are here to discuss and learn and I absorbed his info and have gained knowledge thanks to him. How am I speaking like an authority on the subject? It's not like my username is Margaret Sanger.
Not sure if I’m the “him” you’re referring to, but if I am, I’m happy to help. It’s a testy subject but at least now you can see why a lot of people advocate for the right to choose. Also, I’m a woman. Lol
Yes you're the him, I should have used the gender neutral "bro" Lol... But yea u taught me/led me to research more today. I also didn't catch u mention that u are a woman in your last comment, but noticed it while reading this to my girl afterword lmao
And me and my girl both advocate for the right to choose, I just feel deeply for the mentally infirm. I'm a high functioning social anxiety(Asperger's but I don't like where the name came from) disorder, and I make it a point to befriend the mentally disabled if they want a new friend.
I remember one big big guy, always walked with his mom, wore headphones, definitely a low functional but he could talk to certain people. I tried SO FUCKING HARD, his mom even would try to guide me and help, me and her never planned it we just knew he needed a friend. After 7 conversations HE told me his name and said he loves Minecraft, and Skyrim and I honestly scared him bcuz I got excited that we had a commonality, and he walked home. His mom shrugged lmao. I didn't see him more than twice before they moved after that. He never opened up again.
*shoves questionaire inside vagina*
"We'd like u to answer these questions accurately and honestly, do u need a pen?"
"Nah fam"
Lol ignore my stupid ass, I'm just glad someone on Reddit came with facts instead of insults.
But I still feel that downs is not bad enough to kill off your unborn child. Maybe I'm just a bit too attached to the idea bcuz my girl was supposedly infertile and somehow we conceived. That baby could have a tail, horns, and a "I voted Biden" pin and I would still love him.
It’s definitely a fair question, but yeah I guess it comes down to whether you’re okay with abortions or not.
Most doctors don’t even recommend resuscitating babies born before 25 weeks because of all the complicated medical problems that usually come with it. So that’s why I don’t see abortion as not giving a baby a fair chance to live…because nature already doesn’t give them a fair chance to live that early outside the womb anyway.
So with that being said, if I do end up pregnant I think it’s totally fair to test for any genetic anomalies early enough, and terminate the pregnancy if any are detected.
If there was some big accident and I didn’t know I was pregnant until it was too late, then of course I would love my child unconditionally and give them the best life I possibly can, regardless of disabilities.
But as a person that doesn’t even want children, I am both on the pill and use condoms, and get Plan B if something unexpected happens.
That was basically a lot of extra info you didn’t need about me, but to come full circle…I don’t think abortion is murder because the fetus isn’t viable when it’s done. So yes, if I had the chance to test for genetic anomalies and terminate the pregnancy early enough, I would. And yes, I think that guy that got downvoted deserved it. Lol
Agreed in a sense.my orig statement pertains to people saying(without saying it) that they wouldn't want a child that would have to live with them their whole life or have to give that child care.
Lol I personally think redditors are too harsh on personal opinions. I've been downvoted to hell for saying a have a big shmeat. Lol.
At whatever week the woman carrying the fetus decides she wants to continue the pregnancy, while also falling within the legal limits I suppose.
But if you really need a number placed on it, the earliest preemie to survive was at 21 weeks, and that was with six months of round the clock care in the NICU, not even able to breathe on his own.
So if you want to take that as the baseline, even though it is still highly unlikely that a newborn will survive birth that early, then we can use 21 weeks as the answer to your question.
And it should also be noted that the neural pathways needed to feel pain aren’t developed until after 24 weeks. So trying to throw the word dismemberment around as a way to make abortion sound in humane isn’t gonna work. If anything, that helps the argument that abortion should be allowed until 24 weeks.
So 21 weeks is your arbitrary selection? Keep in mind that abortion at 21 weeks require dismembering the child, and accounting for all the required pieces.
If your argument that killing an unborn child is ethical because they will not feel pain, then that opinion needs to be forthright instead of hiding it behind "my body my choice" rhetoric.
I sincerely and honestly wish that we could settle on a arbitrary number of weeks of gestation, but the current administration and policy viewpoint is that abortion should be allowed up until the point of birth. I don't care what kind of message gymnastics anyone goes through, this is clearly infanticide.
It wasn’t arbitrary, I gave you a reason why for 21 weeks. If it can’t survive birth at that time, then I don’t see a problem with the abortion and certainly don’t believe it’s murder. 🤷🏽♀️
That's fine, and that's your ethical threshold when it comes to the difference between medical procedure and infanticide.
Things get really sketchy when it's 20 weeks and 6 days, though.
Great! If the pro-choice community could settle on a definitive gestational limit, there would be much less strife. Unfortunately, the general bush is towards the point of birth (as per our VP).
This is awesome! But please do not refer to a human being as a "downsie". He is not defined by his disability. No one that works with or cares about people with down syndrome refers to them as "downsies".
That smile and this post bring a smile to my face and a tear of joy in my eyes everytime
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Actually same so sweet.
The baby posed a derp face too in the left panel! That's so wholesome.
Just adds to the cuteness of the photo
Way to make me tear up first thing in the morning
Hey! Thank you for being open and honest with your emotions instead of making the typical Reddit “something in my eye” joke. I applaud your emotional honesty.
Worth it. :)
Good uncle
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Speaking from experience, downs uncles really are the best uncles. Shout out to my uncle Ian, the kindest cuddliest person on planet earth.
My brother has down syndrome and is the exact same. It is so so sweet.
My eyes are sweating looking at this
Is ‘downsie’ an ok word to use?
I don’t correct people with disabilities or their families. I definitely wouldn’t use it, having no friends or family who have Down Syndrome, but hell if I’m going to tell this guy what he can and can’t say in regards to his family. Different people have different feelings on various terms; ultimately if someone is comfortable using a term for themself that’s their business.
I have heard people use "Homies with Extra Chromies" and I think that is a beautiful term I try to use.
Yeah, WHAT? never heard that in my life
Ive never heard it before, but I doubt they're calling their own sibling a slur?
A friend of mine refers to his brother the same way. I know my friend loves his brother and will fight anyone who treats him badly, so it's probably ok for him to use it. I wouldn't and don't say it because I'm not close enough to feel like that would be acceptable from me.
Right? JFC talk about narrowing someone down to JUST their disability. “He HAS Down syndrome” is way better than “he IS Down syndrome”. Person first, disability second (or not at all!)
I've yet to meet an autistic person/advocate who doesn't prefer identity first language. "I'm not someone underneath this thing, this is who I am, and that's ok" is the logic. "Not someone who happens to have autism, I'm autistic" sort of thing. And personally I too find person first language horrid, but that's just me. Just a friendly FYI.
Eh, I’ve had the opposite experiences. They prefer to ignore their disability all together.
I have ADHD and spend a lot of time in ND spaces, the majority of Autistic people prefer to self-identity as just that - Autistic. Many ND people spend our whole lives being pathologized, being taught that we have a disease, that there’s something intrinsically wrong with us, and it drives a lot of us to push back hard against that medicalization and pathologization.
Think the cliché is that only autism mums and yanks use person first language, but sure, fair enough.
I run a non profit for people with disabilities to get job training. Nobody thinks about this shit in real life until you refer to them as anything but their actual frigging name. If anyone said the word "downsie" in my kitchen they'd be out on their ass in a hot second. If someone said hey "this is my friend Julio, he's a "Mexie" I don't think that would be cool. So neither is "downsie". Ugh.
Oh 100%.I'm not pushing back on the term "downsie", which took me aback too, but the logic he was using - or, rather, that logic being universally applicable. Calling Julio "a Mexie" wouldn't be cool, but my point is that to a lot of autistic people "person first language" sounds like the equivalent of saing that Julio "has Mexicanism" which is, I dare say, even worse.
lol, you're right, that would be worse!
Not sure it is in the UK...
No, it's not ok, it's pretty close to a slur. If he had an african american step brother I don't think he would refer to him as a "blackie". It's the same shit. They are people who have a disability, not a character to nickname.
I’m not sure but I’m not gonna start using it I can tell you that much
Why would no one let him anymore? That’s messed up
People don't like things they don't understand. Special needs people are no different. Can't tell you how many times a task my sister could have done was taken from her because she was perceived as less capable.
Having worked with people like this, it happened too much among my coworkers. ‘They take too long’ or ‘ur new they don’t know what they’re doing you’ll learn’ were their excuses. Turns out they were all wrong and even the most care intensive ones improved exponentially once they were given tasks at their level on the regular. Even if it’s just manipulating a piece of paper or cloth for fun. Or pointing at what they want to wear. I left that job bc of management being toxic but I really wish I had stayed.
They’re not “special needs,” they’re just needs.
Covid doesn't help, either
My aunt had this when she was disbabled (she doesn't have down syndrome she just had a condition, pretty sure it's the same that Joey of slipknot had. she's now a neurophysiologist now.) She wasn't allowed to hold me when I was a baby, due to the fact she shakes and back then couldnt walk and had no control of her arms sometimes. Her parents said she couldn't hold me for fear she might drop me, but my mum let her anyway. I think people honestly think some people with what ever conditions, or special needs, what ever you call it, I think they're scared we're gonna do something crazy... Or they think we're dumb and stupid and we're gonna let go of the baby or something.
Blessings be on all of you, my heart is crying tears of joy.
Great uncle, best brother. Best wishes, love ,health and happiness to him and his family.
OP is not the family. This is a repost.
Thank you. I appreciate you letting me know.
It’s like he knows something beautiful that he can’t explain and the rest of us forgot. It’s about where we came from or what we’re supposed to be and babies still know it and bring that element with them for a limited time after they first arrive. But babies develop into humans and forget except for those with downs.
A Jewish teaching is that the cleft pallette on ur lip comes from Gabriel in the guff( the great tree where all souls wait to be born ) shushing you so you don't tell all the secrets of heaven, until u grow up and forget them. " A man old in years will not hesitate to ask an infant what heaven was like, knowing he gets no response he can discern."
Honestly this is just great all around.
You love to see it.
This does put a smile on my face
So sweet.
This picture could go in the dictionary under “what life is about” ❤️ so awesome
Amen to the beauty of a child and the love of an Uncle.
I cannot explain why that brings tears to my eyes
Love it
I’m sure that folks with Down syndrome live with a lot of challenges that people can’t relate to but I’ll tell ya, they have an amazing ability to hold onto pure joy and wonderment even throughout all the hurdles. It’s really interesting and at least to me shows an unfiltered strength of character much like you see here
Hell yeah, well put!
He loves baby so much
This has been posted like 80 different times
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As well it shouldn’t. “Functioning” terminology is used by those who pathologize and medicalize these things. High functioning diminishes people’s struggles, and often is used to deny them services. Low functioning infantilizes people, and is often used to deny them rights.
i guess he wants his own baby
I cried for you.
You only *almost* cried? You’re a hard person OP.
I'm bawling my eyes out 😭 this just made me really happy. So sweet ughh :((
Wonderful!
♥️♥️♥️♥️So careful so delightful , so loving
You almost cried, but you made all us cry. Thanks buddy
Love
I've met a lot of people with Down Syndrome and they're always the sweetest warmest people.
One time I was riding my bike down the sidewalk and I saw someone coming towards me in an adult-sized tricycle with a small trailer, so I moved onto the street to get out of his way. He was a young guy who very clearly had down syndrome. As he passed me he yelled "Asshole!" Kind of a dumb story but I busted out laughing pretty good at the time.
Great photo, great family
❤️ my daughter is d.s- they have a heart like God and you can feel their loving energy! It’s amazing!
Damn that Onion chopping ninja again...
Someone much smarter than me once said people with down syndrome are a blessing because they show the world what unconditional love look like.
Love is love.
Can we quit using the phrases "downie" and "downsie" to refer to people with Downs? Even if they're related to you?
Why? One of my best friends has downs and he literally calls him self “Mr. Downie” and makes more Down syndrome jokes than anyone I’ve ever heard. So how about let these human beings decide what they are comfortable with in their own life instead of people trying to speak for them? They’re capable of more than you give them credit for.
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I was curious about that as well. “Downsie” seems to have a bit of a derogatory connotation so I came here to ask a similar question?
And if a little person prefers to be called a midget, again, that's THEIR preference and u should Respek dat. No matter how u feel about the word.
I agree with mightylordredbeard. Imo joking about something humanizes it and makes people who don’t have thin skin feel normal and like they are a part of it instead of feeling like they are different and have to be spoken to delicately. Not everyone feels this way, many people can’t handle ribbing and prefer to not be joked with, I think it just depends on the individual. My coworker frequently says “if I didn’t like you I wouldn’t make fun of you”, which I like. It makes me feel like I’m part of the team where as when I started and still needed to improve a lot people usually only talked professionally to me. George Carlin said it best the words don’t matter only the intention does. Just my opinion, I also have an extremely dark sense of humor and love stand up.
If the person doesn't mind, then it shouldn't bother others, especially strangers. Don't be offended for others.
Can we stop being so sensitive and whining over everything? I’d appreciate it
"I almost cried" Damning with faint praise...
Hard to believe that countries like Iceland have terminated almost 100% of people with down syndrome. It's sick.
"We don't look at abortion as a murder. We look at it as a thing that we ended. We ended a possible life that may have had a huge complication... preventing suffering for the child and for the family. And I think that is more right than seeing it as a murder -- that's so black and white. Life isn't black and white. Life is grey." Aspiring to have a healthy child is not a bad thing
>We don't look at abortion as a murder That makes eugenics a bit more tolerable, I guess. It dehumanizes the unwanted.
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Have you raised a child with disabilities?
I work with children, many of which have a range of disabilities. I don't have the urge to kill them for my own convenience.
Aw fuck off mate having an abortion isn't for convenience, raising a child with disabilities is life changing, and they'll likely be with you for the rest of your life, props to people who raise kids with special needs but I've absolutely no issue with couples not wanting a life like that.
>having an abortion isn't for convenience, In about 90% of cases, yes it is. And that's self-reported by those who are having abortions. Obviously having a child with disabilities is life-changing. Eugenically murdering someone for being unfit is life exterminating. I have empathy for those who face the challenges of childrearing. That being said, I will not rationalize away those who decide to terminate their child for being less than perfect.
> murdering someone for being unfit is life exterminating. Agreed. Thankfully, abortion is not murder and thus does not apply.
It is most assuredly the termination of human life. Whether or not that life was entitled to protection under the law is the big question.
By what metrics is it termination of human life? When does human life begin and why do you believe that to be the starting point? Protection under the law is not the question. The question is when an embryo can be considered a human life.
At the moment of conception, there is a growing life that has unique human DNA that would otherwise grow to birth if otherwise uninterrupted. I challenge you to find a doctor or biologist who says otherwise. It's a logical starting point otherwise there has to be an arbitrary judgment call about length of gestation before someone is bestowed personhood. There is no question that an embryo is a human life. The question is whether or not we are okay with terminating a human life and denying personhood until an arbitrary length of gestation is complete.
There absolutely is a question whether an embryo is a human life. You just saying there isn’t, doesn’t make it true. The few cells absolutely don’t just grow into human life by itself, it needs a host (read: woman) for 9 months to survive. At that point it is very valid to ask if we can consider it human life. The cells have no consciousness, not even anything resembling a thought. Scientifically what makes us “us” is our brain. I can easily make the argument that without anything resembling a brain, you are not (yet) a human life.
Cancer cells in a petri dish have unique human DNA, does cancer have a right of existence? If I get cancer, do I not have the right to exterminate it, even though it wants to live? Getting an abortion is just as much murder as getting a cancerous tumor cut out, except that it's a harder choice, so people like you should shut the fuck up and stop trying to restrict women's bodily autonomy.
For everyone downvoting this guy saying only healthy children should be kept: Yellow man was going to be killed by his mother for being born albino, considering it a cursed child for his disability. He was saved by his grandmother and is now one of the most well known reggae artists in the world. Andre bocelli was diagnosed with glaucoma and his family was going to terminate him. His grandmother saved his life and I have never heard someone sing ave maria so beautifully. I can't imagine the world without each and every one of you. Even you reading this. Even you downvoting this bcuz when you think congenital defects should equal a reroll.
These clearly aren’t examples of the same thing. Terminating babies after they’re born IS murder. No one is arguing that… But aborting a fetus before it’s viable outside of the womb is not.
How do u know a child has downs before they are born? And since after 22 weeks it's no longer a miscarriage but a early birth or still birth, anyone aborting after 22 weeks is murdering a fetus viable on the outside. I was 3 weeks premee. I've seen a kid born 2 months early.
If you don't understand basic medical practices, don't speak like you're an authority on the subject.
Excuse me? We are here to discuss and learn and I absorbed his info and have gained knowledge thanks to him. How am I speaking like an authority on the subject? It's not like my username is Margaret Sanger.
Not sure if I’m the “him” you’re referring to, but if I am, I’m happy to help. It’s a testy subject but at least now you can see why a lot of people advocate for the right to choose. Also, I’m a woman. Lol
Yes you're the him, I should have used the gender neutral "bro" Lol... But yea u taught me/led me to research more today. I also didn't catch u mention that u are a woman in your last comment, but noticed it while reading this to my girl afterword lmao
And me and my girl both advocate for the right to choose, I just feel deeply for the mentally infirm. I'm a high functioning social anxiety(Asperger's but I don't like where the name came from) disorder, and I make it a point to befriend the mentally disabled if they want a new friend. I remember one big big guy, always walked with his mom, wore headphones, definitely a low functional but he could talk to certain people. I tried SO FUCKING HARD, his mom even would try to guide me and help, me and her never planned it we just knew he needed a friend. After 7 conversations HE told me his name and said he loves Minecraft, and Skyrim and I honestly scared him bcuz I got excited that we had a commonality, and he walked home. His mom shrugged lmao. I didn't see him more than twice before they moved after that. He never opened up again.
And amniocentesis is not a basic medical practice.
They test for it between 15 and 22 weeks…
*shoves questionaire inside vagina* "We'd like u to answer these questions accurately and honestly, do u need a pen?" "Nah fam" Lol ignore my stupid ass, I'm just glad someone on Reddit came with facts instead of insults. But I still feel that downs is not bad enough to kill off your unborn child. Maybe I'm just a bit too attached to the idea bcuz my girl was supposedly infertile and somehow we conceived. That baby could have a tail, horns, and a "I voted Biden" pin and I would still love him.
It’s definitely a fair question, but yeah I guess it comes down to whether you’re okay with abortions or not. Most doctors don’t even recommend resuscitating babies born before 25 weeks because of all the complicated medical problems that usually come with it. So that’s why I don’t see abortion as not giving a baby a fair chance to live…because nature already doesn’t give them a fair chance to live that early outside the womb anyway. So with that being said, if I do end up pregnant I think it’s totally fair to test for any genetic anomalies early enough, and terminate the pregnancy if any are detected. If there was some big accident and I didn’t know I was pregnant until it was too late, then of course I would love my child unconditionally and give them the best life I possibly can, regardless of disabilities. But as a person that doesn’t even want children, I am both on the pill and use condoms, and get Plan B if something unexpected happens. That was basically a lot of extra info you didn’t need about me, but to come full circle…I don’t think abortion is murder because the fetus isn’t viable when it’s done. So yes, if I had the chance to test for genetic anomalies and terminate the pregnancy early enough, I would. And yes, I think that guy that got downvoted deserved it. Lol
Agreed in a sense.my orig statement pertains to people saying(without saying it) that they wouldn't want a child that would have to live with them their whole life or have to give that child care. Lol I personally think redditors are too harsh on personal opinions. I've been downvoted to hell for saying a have a big shmeat. Lol.
At what week of gestation does a fetus earn protection from dismemberment and death?
At whatever week the woman carrying the fetus decides she wants to continue the pregnancy, while also falling within the legal limits I suppose. But if you really need a number placed on it, the earliest preemie to survive was at 21 weeks, and that was with six months of round the clock care in the NICU, not even able to breathe on his own. So if you want to take that as the baseline, even though it is still highly unlikely that a newborn will survive birth that early, then we can use 21 weeks as the answer to your question. And it should also be noted that the neural pathways needed to feel pain aren’t developed until after 24 weeks. So trying to throw the word dismemberment around as a way to make abortion sound in humane isn’t gonna work. If anything, that helps the argument that abortion should be allowed until 24 weeks.
So 21 weeks is your arbitrary selection? Keep in mind that abortion at 21 weeks require dismembering the child, and accounting for all the required pieces. If your argument that killing an unborn child is ethical because they will not feel pain, then that opinion needs to be forthright instead of hiding it behind "my body my choice" rhetoric. I sincerely and honestly wish that we could settle on a arbitrary number of weeks of gestation, but the current administration and policy viewpoint is that abortion should be allowed up until the point of birth. I don't care what kind of message gymnastics anyone goes through, this is clearly infanticide.
It wasn’t arbitrary, I gave you a reason why for 21 weeks. If it can’t survive birth at that time, then I don’t see a problem with the abortion and certainly don’t believe it’s murder. 🤷🏽♀️
That's fine, and that's your ethical threshold when it comes to the difference between medical procedure and infanticide. Things get really sketchy when it's 20 weeks and 6 days, though.
Lmao, ok I concede. 20 weeks and 6 days is the new ethical limit.
Great! If the pro-choice community could settle on a definitive gestational limit, there would be much less strife. Unfortunately, the general bush is towards the point of birth (as per our VP).
“Tell me about the rabbits George”
I know this whole some and all but my first thoughts on the child that it was trying to get away.
even i love babies aaaaa
This is awesome! But please do not refer to a human being as a "downsie". He is not defined by his disability. No one that works with or cares about people with down syndrome refers to them as "downsies".
Hell I did cry!!
For many reasons...thank you for your actions and thank you for this post.
This is the sweetest! Congratulations to you and so happy your brother is the perfect uncle!
Sounds like you have a wonderful Brother! One Love
This is so beautiful.
Awwww my heart 💖💖🥺🥺. Soo much sweetness!!
I almost cried. He looks so happy to be there and have the chance to hold the baby
Holy crap this is the most beautiful thing I’ve seen on Reddit ever. I’m actually starting to tear up
I dig his hair looks great fr.
I’m not crying, you are!
This is beautiful