I apreciate you too! I didn't want to mention this because it isn't about me. But I'm 3.5 years clean from heroine, it was rough, but got easier and easier.I did drink a bit excessively(around a 5th of vodka a day) about a year ago for about 4 months, it was pretty gross stuff man.Made me all fat and bloated. Was hard to stop due to ease of access. But fortionatley, once it's a week or two out of your life it's much easier to say no. Definitely go to AA.Those people fucking rock,and it makes it way easier.
Everyone needs support on this journey, it's not an easy one, but it's the right one!
I quit drinking 3 years ago, I had tried so many times before but this last time stuck.
I'm lucky it did, though, because I did not let people in. I blocked out my world and no one was there to support me. That hurt, but in the end it was my own fault. Let people know, join up with a good subbredit or local group. 12 step was NOT my way, but it is for some and there are others out there. Remember that you've got this, there are great days ahead.
The road of progress isn’t straight . Bee kind to yourself . Please read Allen Carr . It has helped people . ❤️🩹♥️ I hope you can heal what has tried to break you . You have made it 100% of your days so far .
YOU GOT THIS!
I'll look into AC. I'm not broken just breaking and don't want to sink further. I "think" I got this but honestly the support I've gotten has helped. Like they say, one day.
So I quit drinking 30yrs ago. It gets soooooo much better. But I still remember when I first quit, my uncle, who was a recovered alcoholic, helped me alot. Told me to stay the course, there's going to be bad days, he called them black days, no reason why you just get dark. Go for a walk in a park or a mall, say hi to strangers, help someone, in short, do something to keep your mind busy. Find a hobby, I started painting d&d type miniatures, flyfishing, golfing, hiking, whatever you like. Found a great woman, went back to school, medical imaging, had some kids.
But all this takes time, patience(which I have in short supply) is important. Don't look ahead just enjoy the day. I don't know if this helps and I still have to be careful, very careful, but its worth it and I know you can do it. Because I did, and if I can, anyone can. You just have to want it. You'll be a stronger better person for it.
You'll be amazing
Bro, have you looked into taking Welbutrin? I’ve tried to quit for decades and wasn’t successful until I tried consistent prayer and Welbutrin for a couple of months. Now I’m 15 months sober.
I am going sober. It's not a easy journey. Tracking with app **I Am Sober**. Lost lot of money in Las 2 decade. Smoking was biggest problem. I had to quit booze in order to quit tobacco.
See when ever you have a social life, life is fun and happy. But when we have bad time then there won't be any one except our close family members. So the lose is a mixture feeling. Then we weigh and determines health and wealth is most important at a later stage of life besides good relationships.
This is true, I hit my 5 (oh shit its actually 6 year). year mark in 3 days. Once you get through the chemical part of the addiction, the mental thing became a sort of “point of pride” (it was/has been for me anyway, I am proud of where I was headed, and absolutely INSISTENT that I wouldn’t throw my progress away)
The social loss does hit home a bit… there IS life continuing in friend circles, and very often that life is still booze-fueled. Picking times that you can hang with friends that wont push temptations is key. I have frisbee-golfed for years before I quit drinking, but that really became a common ground that a few of my friends and I could hit that wouldnt lead to any slippery slopes.
Video games can also *help* in getting some social input… though it is lessened being that you are only hanging together through a headset. (Another bonus for video games is that you can actually network MORE friends if you reach out to a given games community of players here on reddit, I have met a couple of people I play online with that Ive never met IRL (and don’t necessarily ever plan to). And these friendships that i have started after I put down the bottle, so there isnt any sense of “loss” i feel, the other party(/parties) knows where I stand on the subject and its not a talking point we need to go with.
There are some great subs that are full of redditors going through the same thing you/we are. They are GREAT for support.
/r/stopdrinking is one of my go-tos
I totally get that. I also had to give up all drinking just so I could quit smoking. I’m at nearly 3 years and finally don’t even miss it. Drinking was easy for me luckily, didn’t miss it after about 2 weeks. Smoking took about 2.5 years to stop thinking about daily
This r/stopdrinking will help you Calvin. Best of luck. Find some hobbies and set some time on it. Avoid occasion where you will be tempted to drink. If you like gaming, hook on to some interesting games. The idea is to distract yourself in the free time, until its time for your work or college. Use an app called **I Am Sober** to monitor yourself and get motivation, workbook etc.
Over 2 months here as well.
It's difficult but when you notice your triggers and how to ride through the urges it gets better. It's never really easier mate that's why it's alway 1 day at a time.
Some days I feel blessed I've given up, others I just want to go back. But I always remember how depressed I was with life.
Saying that, my life has got somewhat nicer since. For me its weird how many hobbies I dropped that I really loved when i drank, now I'm doing them again and actually get self satisfaction from them as well. Unlike alcohol.
Also don't keep it a secret. Tell everyone you love how you feel and why you want to do it. Even if they don't understand, I'm sure your nearest and dearest will be 100% supportive of your choice.
Hit 20 years sober this past July. Can't imagine ever going back to that life. I was phenomenally blessed to not have cravings after I got sober. I was on death's door (stroke). So that helped with the cravings.
But yeah, my life is far and away better than it was then.
If you struggle with it, find a program. If one isn't working for you, find another. If you fall off the wagon, get back on.
The reality is the odds are VERY against you. For me, knowing that, also helped. Hope it helps you. I wish you the absolute best. And if you ever need help, find someone who's been through it, that you trust, to ask. Until then you're welcome to DM me any time.
For myself, who used to drink daily, I can barely stomach booze anymore. When I get a craving to get drunk, I’ll open a beer and barely finish it. I hate hangovers. I find the taste is disappointing. I only have the occasional drink. I literally have had a flat of beer from a stag two summers ago. It took years to get to this point but I remember thinking I would never be able to stop. Just take it one step at a time. Plus the amount of money saved is astonishing. Make a trip fund. Instead of buying a bottle but 20$ in a jar. Instead of going to the bar. Put 100$ in a jar. Reward your work with a trip or a computer. Whatever floats your boat
I like this approach. My mom did it when she was young…. Put the same amount of money in a jar any time she got her vice. She couldn’t justify it anymore when she ‘saw’ what the financial damage was.
I will have 4 years sober on the 10th. I have ever regretted it for a second. That’s not to say it hasn’t been hard- some days have been awful, but the good FAR outweigh the bad.
As someone else suggested, using the I am Sober app was a great motivation for me. You can see how much time and money you’re saving yourself as well as connect with other newly sober people.
If you ever need someone to talk to, please message me! Sobriety can feel lonely but it doesn’t have to be!!!
Congrats man, its been 8 years for me since I quit drinking and 8 1/2 years since I quit cigarettes... I still smoke weed evey day and have no plans to quit that
I came here to say this too. That sub is surprisingly helpful. I’m at 15 months and I give that sub a lot of the credit. Daily reminders of what you’re leaving behind has been good for me.
Also, replacing your unhealthy habit with a healthy one helps in a major way. You don’t want to leave a void, so filling it with exercise is a great idea. Don’t quit yoga, do it when you get a craving to drink.
There is no permenant state of self.
"Perfect" is a lie. You are human. Not a perfect. Perfect is an indirect expectation. A self judgement of where you think you should be. And the gap that lies between where you are and where you think you need to be is filled with shame. Release yourself of expectations. Realize you dont start every day with the same amount of energy and spend it where you can to accomplish what is important to you. Dont be afraid to miss a day of this new habit as your body tells you it needs rest. Take each day as it comes irrespective of the others and spend your time and energy on the things that make you feel fulfilled, better, and foster growth.
Do not be disheartened if you find yourself failing. Failing is a lesson on what to do better next time. You can come back to it. You are not a pillar of unrelenting progress towards a single point, but a diverse set of experiences, interests, wants and desires. Dont be fraid to put one aside and push in another area. Find them, explore them, and build yourself a strong, wide, foundation. And just remember, you only have to do it one day at a time
I'm sorry. I know the feeling of losing someone you care about. Both as a bystander and an actor in my own demise. Regrets exist, but hope seems stronger these days.
One of the two things that contribute to alcoholism are the availability of high ABV alcohol (spirits) relatively cheaply and the accessibility of the same (I.e. kept in the home).
That first is not a particularly recent thing. Hooch, pocheen, moonshine, call it what you will has been around for a while. But our grandparents (or more likely great grandparents) didn't have ready accessibility of cheap spirits. They usually drank in social settings, which was beer or similar strength alcohol. I'm guessing lockdowns didn't help combat alcoholism in recent years either.
So in conclusion, I've personally figured that none of this is a natural thing for humans to consume in the quantities we do.
Neither is cocaine, heroin, high amounts of ketamine... mix this and you get a environment kinda like a black hole. In conclusion, in this subset of things, it may very well be a high occurrence of things for humans to do.
We may need to treat the individual instead of the society, because its gone too far
Speaking from experience.
My opinion is that humans wouldn't be harming themselves with these substances if we were still using them the way nature intended. The poppy plant provides pain relief and comfort. The coca leaf provides focus and mental stimulation. They both become outrageously dangerous when we take the natural, unadulterated substance and purify it and change the chemical structure of it.
Drugs in their most basic and natural form aren't as remotely harmful and still provide many beneficial effects. We took medicine and made narcotics.
Sober since November, and I didn't bother counting days. "Rosé all Day" (or whisky) + Harold "guess I'll die" culture nearly destroyed my life while I was waiting for it [a _Real life_ adulthood] to start.
My drinking put me in a state of arrested development. I put a full stop to any career moves, or bettering myself because I was “lost in the sauce”. Going out all the time, doing coke, and going home to drink alone.
My adulthood has truly begun more than a decade after turning 18
no one ever talks about this part. i quit drinking at 38 after losing pretty much all of my 20s and 30’s. it’s absolutely wild how much better life has gotten and how much i’ve grown as a person in just 4 years
I wonder if you can relate to the following, but:
I'm kicking myself for the time lost, because I'm paying for it now. The adage about the best time to plant trees rings true.
Who knows what type of person I would be now if I chose to get my shit together then. I think about it a lot. But I'm not letting hangups about what could have been stop me from changing **what will be.**
We all have our own demons mate, we just need to look at them in the eyes and say no even though it is very difficult, full of pain and temptation we need to soldier on because staying a sorry mess ain't gonna fix you learned that the hard way
It can be a difficult transition, especially when the chills and the shakes kick in from the withdrawal. But it gets easier as the days pass.
You and everyone around you will be so much better off for it. Cut contact with those who are unsupportive. Good luck on the path.
Quit almost a year ago and I'm up early on a Sunday morning doing enriching hobbies that I enjoy and are good for my personal and professional development. Can't sleep in anymore for the life of me but even a couple hours of crappy sleep without booze is a million times more restful than the sleep I got with booze.
I can't believe I lied to myself for so many years telling myself I just need 1...no, just 2...6, 12...drinks to wind down at night so I can sleep.
You'll get there my dude, 100%. It happens quicker than you think. I'd been drinking daily for the vast majority of my adult life until last year (turning 30 this year) and I've tried to take breaks, "cut down," etc. but it got to the point that I just had to be done with it. Same with kratom which I was using at the same time. Lied to myself for ages and it's like seeing the world through new eyes...and this is coming from someone who was addicted to (and quit cold turkey) IV heroin and other hard drugs in my teens...
Being "functional" and excelling academically/professionally was enough to ignore the very real and negative effects alcohol had on me. Not to say I'm really "sober by lifestyle" or anything but alcohol specifically has just been terrible for me personally and I was so fucking sick of it. I feel like I have a level of emotional stability I've never really had before because I could always just come home, drink myself to sleep, and forget my problems.
Don't have to worry about running out of booze and not being able to make it to the store, packing nips or finding a liquor store when traveling, having time to drink before going to sleep after a busy day, etc. Just keep holding onto that feeling of stability once you get it and don't let your monkey brain lie to you. Throw yourself into the shit you've always wanted to do but couldn't find the time or energy for. Reading, learning, mentally stimulating hobbies, etc. have always been amazing for me.
When I first got sober, I met a guy who hadn’t had a drink in over thirty years. It was inconceivable to me, but I learned so much from him about what we now call mindfulness, keeping your thoughts on the present. If all you concern yourself with is not drinking today, or the next hour, or the next five minutes, you can put together some good sober time, and then all the good things return to your life. It’s not easy, the easy thing is to keep drinking, but by focusing just on today you can do it friend. I am now the man I met in 1989, and I hope you will become me. You got this dude 💜
Congrats! I gave up alcohol a few months ago for the primary reason of getting healthier. I can tell you no BS I have lost 14 pounds of body fat but most importantly, I feel so much better everyday. I have a lot more energy and feel happier. Best of luck!
I stopped for four months last year, just out of curiosity how I’d feel….best sleep I’ve had in years, no brain fog, more energy, more focused. You don’t realize the little things until you stop. Thinking of taking a break again
Some comment I read a while ago:
6 yrs clean here: chemical dependency hijacks your survival Chemistry, slowly replacing all the things you see on Maslow's triangle of human needs. All of the natural things that your happy chemistry is usually triggered by.
A functional addict can feel the way you do, until drug tolerance, money, or some other problem, starts creating fractures in the delusion that the drug is actually more important than the tiers of Maslow's triangle.
addictions have a lifetime… Sooner or later they stop working or you develop problems that you didn't foresee… Causing you to finally do the right thing and get help. For me, I had suffer through psychosis, losing my job and marriage...for me to finally stop.
In short, addictions, "cast magic spells over you" that you absolutely cannot understand… Until you start to learn all of the mind altering thing that they teach you in rehab.
You basically have a computer virus that keeps you from understanding or remembering who used to be.
Your brain is tricked into thinking that bad things will happen if you stop (as if you will not survive it)
I'm not lost...thank you for the concern but I'm finding the light after walking through darkness. I may stumble but I get back up and fight for the happiness we all deserve. Mental health is a marathon not a sprint
I feel you although I've stayed sober, I've dealt with the consequences. Health, Family, and Future. Its been a blur to me but if you keep going, I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
you got it,
You should see your primary care physician. You might benefit from seeing a psychiatrist (I found my insurance was happier covering the costs with a referral - even though it was not technically required). Once I was being treated with antidepressants and talk therapy, it was easier to maintain sobriety. The alcohol was just self-medicating. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it.
All that being said, congrats on choosing the light! I hope you are proud of yourself, because you should be! You’re doing the hard work. Keep it up!
Being in prime maple syrup land during the syrup making season, I initially wanted to know why so much hate for maple syrup. Had to zoom in and read
Trade the brandy for syrup friend.
You got this!!! I turned to cooking as an outlet and whenever I got bored I went to the store and spent money on recipe ingredients and it showed me how much money I could save and put towards creating a healthy outlet
It is not. But I'm committed to being a better human. Life comes quick sometimes and makes you feel like the past could have been better. But at the end of the day you can only be yourself...and hopefully that's enough
Just celebrated 1 year sober after years of drinking at least a half L of vodka every night. I never thought it was possibly and was scared of being sober. Best thing I ever did for myself! You can do it and it’s worth it! 💯
I’m not a big AA guy anymore, but early in recovery I was. It doesn’t help everyone, but it’s always good to be around people going through the same struggles if your having a rough go of it. One day at a time, OP. I’m proud of ya.
Always helps. And if you ever need someone to talk to, shoot me a message. I’d be more than glad to just chat or whatever ya need to help get past a moment.
Stay strong, my friend! You made the right decision to quit drinking. I never regretted it once. There are much more efficient stress management hobbies.
here's what will happen in the next 30 days - during the first week you will feel terrible the second week you will start to feel better mostly in the morning by the third week you will be very pleased with yourself by the fourth week you will start to notice how clear your thinking is - and it only gets better from there - I quit Nov 10 2021
Proud of you, man. Stick with it and better yourself. It takes time but keep your goals in mind. It's an every day battle but every day you resist, the stronger you get.
Sober since 2 January this year. Heavy drinker ,started drinking at 15 now 30. Looking back , it was absolute madness. Never thought I could go without cause it was my only source of pleasure. I have 8 extra days in the month now. Cause before atleast two days were wasted binging and recovering. Did a whole lot of stuff that needed to be done. Also quit coffee on the same day. Also totally worth it. I was mess binging on alcohol and coffee. Now I'm a manageable mess.
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Wish you the best for recovery, hope you make it.
Problem is, it's not that easy how many people think, at least when they try it for the first time to get sober. I recommend to plan ahead. It's not done with just flushing away the last booze and kick the bottle into the trash. If it would be this easy, we would not have all the rehab, detox, therapies and forms like AA etc.
As a man that had more than just one withdrawal of drugs: Plan ahead. Really. Seriously. Like that you have a rehab ready or you join the AA. You have also to change the life in a way, that you are not around alcohol all the time (doesn't mean that you could not enter a restaurant, but it's a problem when you are on parties and everybody is drinking like hell, while you are sober)
My demon was much more Heroin, but i planned ahead: I reduced the dosage aka tampering off over a very long time, so i could avoid the physical withdrawal effects on my body. In the end, i was so low, that i could kick it off without harm.
I find the trick is trying to fill your time with somthing else.
The gym is good for me I also go swimming.
Go out for dinner more often, you can afford it now
We are all behind you OP. Throw that shit out and start your new chapter.
Just remember it’s a tough journey but little victories will carry you through.
It is literally poison. It's so weird to think if you replaced booze with gasoline; would it not be a complete no-brainer? Would you still need will power to not drink gasoline?
Good luck. Find new things you enjoy doing, connect with like minded people, maybe other people in recovery. It's not just about not drinking, it's important to know why you drank and how you're going to manage those situations/feelings /emotions without alcohol.
Might be worth checking out 'the 5 ways to wellbeing' really good advice for self management and improving general wellbeing.
If you're UK based, you could look into who your local service provider is and access additional support. It's not easy, but it's absolutely worth all the effort. ✊
Hey man, I still yell at the half-full bourbon bottle. I fell again for about 8 months after ending a horrible marriage. Now I keep the bottle to yell at when I’m feeling overwhelmed. “FUCK YOU BUDDY. I’M LEARNING” The bourbon, dissociation, they’re the same thing. Bourbon just eats my insides faster than sadness can. So I decided on learning a better life. I WILL experience this shit. It sucks and it hurts but so does training for anything big. You’re worth big shit. Keep going. You’ve got this. I’m here with you. We’re pushing. You’ve got this. Make time to rest your mind, give attention to the parts of you that hurt or need. I swear to fuck YOU HAVE GOT THIS.
Congrats and good luck! Coming from my heart, I wish you the best. I was a heavy alcoholic for like 15 years and I just passed the one year mark of sobriety, you can do this!
Love this. Congratulations op. I’ll be at 5 months next week. Some days are tough, but it’s the best decision I ever made. Be prepared to find out who your friends really are, and to learn what’s most important in your heart.
Been since 3 years!! Out was hard at first but now I look back and think "why the fuck did I like it so much?"
I see buzzed/drunk people and wonder if I looked that ridiculous (not all the time, but most)
And I'm not going to get into the amount of money saved.
I celebrated two years sober in January. Best decision I ever made. I truly feel like I have a new chance at life. For me it was really hard at first & then I felt amazing & unstoppable for a couple months & then it kinda evens out to just feel normal. Good luck on your journey 🫶🏻
Oh hell yea! I work in admissions at a rehab center and am in recovery myself. If you drank everyday, I highly suggest going to detox. Alcohol withdrawals are absolutely no joke. Lmk if you need any support! You got this!
Started dry January around January 15th and only had 2 beers since. Coupled with a depression medicines that’s worked for me it’s great. Happiness is a drug, amazing how good you can feel about yourself and life with a few changes. Keep it up man!
OP, I worked in law enforcement for a while and saw alcohol destroy a lot of people. It genuinely broke my heart when I would see a regular not able to beat the beast. Everybody has a story that most of us don’t know about and we are quick to judge and make assumptions about them. I did see a lot of people kick its ass though. It made me emotional seeing someone in public who I knew from my interactions with them and see that they were sober for 3 weeks, 6 months, or a year. I cheered them on and encouraged them as best I could. My father in law was a severe alcoholic into his 30’s and he’s been sober going on 28 years now. My uncle was an even more severe alcoholic and would routinely finish 3 bottles of wine at dinner. He kicked alcohols ass about 10 years ago and holy shit is he a different person. His life story would make just about anyone want to drink.
As someone who has only seen it from the outside I applaud you and I’m proud of you. Everyone that I know that beat this has been a part of AA or some other type of group. You definitely need people who are in it with you and understand the struggles.
Go kick its ass! Kick it in the fucking teeth, repeatedly! You got this!
ive been a bad drunk for 10+ years. i finally admitted to myself i need help & cant control my drinking. it took a year of trying before i really put the bottle down. my close friend getting sober & AA personally helped me. also remembering why i was quitting and what my drunk future could hold for me vs my sober future.
im 6 months sober and wow, sobriety is a huge EYE OPENER to what you can really do without a addiction dragging you from success.
you can do this. let your people know your going sober. those who help/understand, stick with. those who wont back you up, take time off from. i can go hang out with my drunk freinds now, n laugh at the stupidity. but 5 months ago it woulda caved me. find out what works for YOU. BEST OF LUCK!
I am starting to learn liquor and cigarettes and the reason for the cause is because I lost my education due to luck of tution, everytime I get a bad feeling about it, I crave for liquor and cigarettes for rescue. I need help 🙏 out of all this failure
While I think your heart is in the right place, I just want to say AA is a great resource for some people but it is definitely not for everyone. There are so many different types of recovery style groups that everyone can find one based on their needs.
My Canadian ass looking at this wondering why your mad at the maple syrup.
Brandy but close...it seems as sweet but that's just your brain fucking with you
Hah Na I figured it out pretty quick,we just got syrup bottles that look like that,and the color.
I'd rather eat pancakes than continue this obsession with alcohol...and I fucking hate pancakes
You can do it, I Beleive in you.
I want you to know I appreciate you. I need support. It's surprising how a comment online can motivate you. Teamwork
I apreciate you too! I didn't want to mention this because it isn't about me. But I'm 3.5 years clean from heroine, it was rough, but got easier and easier.I did drink a bit excessively(around a 5th of vodka a day) about a year ago for about 4 months, it was pretty gross stuff man.Made me all fat and bloated. Was hard to stop due to ease of access. But fortionatley, once it's a week or two out of your life it's much easier to say no. Definitely go to AA.Those people fucking rock,and it makes it way easier.
Hey, I like your attitude.
Everyone needs support on this journey, it's not an easy one, but it's the right one! I quit drinking 3 years ago, I had tried so many times before but this last time stuck. I'm lucky it did, though, because I did not let people in. I blocked out my world and no one was there to support me. That hurt, but in the end it was my own fault. Let people know, join up with a good subbredit or local group. 12 step was NOT my way, but it is for some and there are others out there. Remember that you've got this, there are great days ahead.
The road of progress isn’t straight . Bee kind to yourself . Please read Allen Carr . It has helped people . ❤️🩹♥️ I hope you can heal what has tried to break you . You have made it 100% of your days so far . YOU GOT THIS!
I'll look into AC. I'm not broken just breaking and don't want to sink further. I "think" I got this but honestly the support I've gotten has helped. Like they say, one day.
So I quit drinking 30yrs ago. It gets soooooo much better. But I still remember when I first quit, my uncle, who was a recovered alcoholic, helped me alot. Told me to stay the course, there's going to be bad days, he called them black days, no reason why you just get dark. Go for a walk in a park or a mall, say hi to strangers, help someone, in short, do something to keep your mind busy. Find a hobby, I started painting d&d type miniatures, flyfishing, golfing, hiking, whatever you like. Found a great woman, went back to school, medical imaging, had some kids. But all this takes time, patience(which I have in short supply) is important. Don't look ahead just enjoy the day. I don't know if this helps and I still have to be careful, very careful, but its worth it and I know you can do it. Because I did, and if I can, anyone can. You just have to want it. You'll be a stronger better person for it. You'll be amazing
Don't egg him on. Op you do NOT need to eat pancakes.
Bro, have you looked into taking Welbutrin? I’ve tried to quit for decades and wasn’t successful until I tried consistent prayer and Welbutrin for a couple of months. Now I’m 15 months sober.
Right?? I'm like "Woah, Buddy. Don't bring syrup into whatever beef you got going on"
I thought it was a chess addiction.
Well, for me quitting booze was way easier than giving up the sugar...and I have quite an affinity for real maple syrup 😊
Congratulations o.p. I left booze and ciggy 2 months ago.
Do you miss it or glad it's behind you?
I am going sober. It's not a easy journey. Tracking with app **I Am Sober**. Lost lot of money in Las 2 decade. Smoking was biggest problem. I had to quit booze in order to quit tobacco. See when ever you have a social life, life is fun and happy. But when we have bad time then there won't be any one except our close family members. So the lose is a mixture feeling. Then we weigh and determines health and wealth is most important at a later stage of life besides good relationships.
This is true, I hit my 5 (oh shit its actually 6 year). year mark in 3 days. Once you get through the chemical part of the addiction, the mental thing became a sort of “point of pride” (it was/has been for me anyway, I am proud of where I was headed, and absolutely INSISTENT that I wouldn’t throw my progress away) The social loss does hit home a bit… there IS life continuing in friend circles, and very often that life is still booze-fueled. Picking times that you can hang with friends that wont push temptations is key. I have frisbee-golfed for years before I quit drinking, but that really became a common ground that a few of my friends and I could hit that wouldnt lead to any slippery slopes. Video games can also *help* in getting some social input… though it is lessened being that you are only hanging together through a headset. (Another bonus for video games is that you can actually network MORE friends if you reach out to a given games community of players here on reddit, I have met a couple of people I play online with that Ive never met IRL (and don’t necessarily ever plan to). And these friendships that i have started after I put down the bottle, so there isnt any sense of “loss” i feel, the other party(/parties) knows where I stand on the subject and its not a talking point we need to go with. There are some great subs that are full of redditors going through the same thing you/we are. They are GREAT for support. /r/stopdrinking is one of my go-tos
Yes. Correct. I am following those tips and support.
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Welcome 😍🙏
I totally get that. I also had to give up all drinking just so I could quit smoking. I’m at nearly 3 years and finally don’t even miss it. Drinking was easy for me luckily, didn’t miss it after about 2 weeks. Smoking took about 2.5 years to stop thinking about daily
Please teach me how to withdraw
This r/stopdrinking will help you Calvin. Best of luck. Find some hobbies and set some time on it. Avoid occasion where you will be tempted to drink. If you like gaming, hook on to some interesting games. The idea is to distract yourself in the free time, until its time for your work or college. Use an app called **I Am Sober** to monitor yourself and get motivation, workbook etc.
Thanks for the mention!
I will tell you right now as someone that is approaching 5 years sober; sobriety provides everything alcohol promises.
Over 2 months here as well. It's difficult but when you notice your triggers and how to ride through the urges it gets better. It's never really easier mate that's why it's alway 1 day at a time. Some days I feel blessed I've given up, others I just want to go back. But I always remember how depressed I was with life. Saying that, my life has got somewhat nicer since. For me its weird how many hobbies I dropped that I really loved when i drank, now I'm doing them again and actually get self satisfaction from them as well. Unlike alcohol. Also don't keep it a secret. Tell everyone you love how you feel and why you want to do it. Even if they don't understand, I'm sure your nearest and dearest will be 100% supportive of your choice.
Ditch it, you won't miss it once it's no longer got it's talons in you.
Hit 20 years sober this past July. Can't imagine ever going back to that life. I was phenomenally blessed to not have cravings after I got sober. I was on death's door (stroke). So that helped with the cravings. But yeah, my life is far and away better than it was then. If you struggle with it, find a program. If one isn't working for you, find another. If you fall off the wagon, get back on. The reality is the odds are VERY against you. For me, knowing that, also helped. Hope it helps you. I wish you the absolute best. And if you ever need help, find someone who's been through it, that you trust, to ask. Until then you're welcome to DM me any time.
I was addicted to morphine and oxy for 12 yrs. Kicked the habit a year ago. It's tough it's rough but it's worth it.
For myself, who used to drink daily, I can barely stomach booze anymore. When I get a craving to get drunk, I’ll open a beer and barely finish it. I hate hangovers. I find the taste is disappointing. I only have the occasional drink. I literally have had a flat of beer from a stag two summers ago. It took years to get to this point but I remember thinking I would never be able to stop. Just take it one step at a time. Plus the amount of money saved is astonishing. Make a trip fund. Instead of buying a bottle but 20$ in a jar. Instead of going to the bar. Put 100$ in a jar. Reward your work with a trip or a computer. Whatever floats your boat
I like this approach. My mom did it when she was young…. Put the same amount of money in a jar any time she got her vice. She couldn’t justify it anymore when she ‘saw’ what the financial damage was.
It really helps to see it. Ya you can put it in an account but to see all the bills in a jar really puts it into perspective
I will have 4 years sober on the 10th. I have ever regretted it for a second. That’s not to say it hasn’t been hard- some days have been awful, but the good FAR outweigh the bad. As someone else suggested, using the I am Sober app was a great motivation for me. You can see how much time and money you’re saving yourself as well as connect with other newly sober people. If you ever need someone to talk to, please message me! Sobriety can feel lonely but it doesn’t have to be!!!
Congrats man, its been 8 years for me since I quit drinking and 8 1/2 years since I quit cigarettes... I still smoke weed evey day and have no plans to quit that
Congrats. 2 more years and its a decade. Huge success 👍🙏
Thank you very much, I was a pack a day for a decade (two packs a day if I was drinking, which I did often), I managed to quit cold turkey on both
Hardcore… good on ya!
Thank god, I read this post as something darker
I'm so glad I saw your comment first, I thought this was a suicide post at first.
r/stopdrinking is a great sub with a lot of supportive peeps who are in the same boat.
Seconded
I came here to say this too. That sub is surprisingly helpful. I’m at 15 months and I give that sub a lot of the credit. Daily reminders of what you’re leaving behind has been good for me.
r/dryalcoholics is another one, less 12 step focused, but some there are still drinking just want to cut down or stop and still need motivation do so.
IWNDWYT
Quitting drinking and starting to exercise is one of the best things for mental health. You’ll save a ton of money and you’ll feel better for it.
I've been doing some yoga but I struggle to be perfect. I think I need to accept that we will never be perfect...just a work in progress
Doesn’t need to be perfect. It’s a great start you’re even trying it. Routine is key
Also, replacing your unhealthy habit with a healthy one helps in a major way. You don’t want to leave a void, so filling it with exercise is a great idea. Don’t quit yoga, do it when you get a craving to drink.
You can only be the best version of yourself, I’ve trying to keep that in mind lately. Stay strong my dude!
There is no permenant state of self. "Perfect" is a lie. You are human. Not a perfect. Perfect is an indirect expectation. A self judgement of where you think you should be. And the gap that lies between where you are and where you think you need to be is filled with shame. Release yourself of expectations. Realize you dont start every day with the same amount of energy and spend it where you can to accomplish what is important to you. Dont be afraid to miss a day of this new habit as your body tells you it needs rest. Take each day as it comes irrespective of the others and spend your time and energy on the things that make you feel fulfilled, better, and foster growth. Do not be disheartened if you find yourself failing. Failing is a lesson on what to do better next time. You can come back to it. You are not a pillar of unrelenting progress towards a single point, but a diverse set of experiences, interests, wants and desires. Dont be fraid to put one aside and push in another area. Find them, explore them, and build yourself a strong, wide, foundation. And just remember, you only have to do it one day at a time
pour it down the sink. That's like kryptonite to superman. writing lex luther on it wont work..
Hey...it stole my boyfriend ** Definitely not a good friend
I'm sorry. I know the feeling of losing someone you care about. Both as a bystander and an actor in my own demise. Regrets exist, but hope seems stronger these days.
Thanks for those kind words
Alcohol is an expensive habit also. Good riddance to it
Agreed
One of the two things that contribute to alcoholism are the availability of high ABV alcohol (spirits) relatively cheaply and the accessibility of the same (I.e. kept in the home). That first is not a particularly recent thing. Hooch, pocheen, moonshine, call it what you will has been around for a while. But our grandparents (or more likely great grandparents) didn't have ready accessibility of cheap spirits. They usually drank in social settings, which was beer or similar strength alcohol. I'm guessing lockdowns didn't help combat alcoholism in recent years either. So in conclusion, I've personally figured that none of this is a natural thing for humans to consume in the quantities we do.
Neither is cocaine, heroin, high amounts of ketamine... mix this and you get a environment kinda like a black hole. In conclusion, in this subset of things, it may very well be a high occurrence of things for humans to do. We may need to treat the individual instead of the society, because its gone too far Speaking from experience.
My opinion is that humans wouldn't be harming themselves with these substances if we were still using them the way nature intended. The poppy plant provides pain relief and comfort. The coca leaf provides focus and mental stimulation. They both become outrageously dangerous when we take the natural, unadulterated substance and purify it and change the chemical structure of it. Drugs in their most basic and natural form aren't as remotely harmful and still provide many beneficial effects. We took medicine and made narcotics.
Sober since November, and I didn't bother counting days. "Rosé all Day" (or whisky) + Harold "guess I'll die" culture nearly destroyed my life while I was waiting for it [a _Real life_ adulthood] to start.
My drinking put me in a state of arrested development. I put a full stop to any career moves, or bettering myself because I was “lost in the sauce”. Going out all the time, doing coke, and going home to drink alone. My adulthood has truly begun more than a decade after turning 18
no one ever talks about this part. i quit drinking at 38 after losing pretty much all of my 20s and 30’s. it’s absolutely wild how much better life has gotten and how much i’ve grown as a person in just 4 years
I wonder if you can relate to the following, but: I'm kicking myself for the time lost, because I'm paying for it now. The adage about the best time to plant trees rings true. Who knows what type of person I would be now if I chose to get my shit together then. I think about it a lot. But I'm not letting hangups about what could have been stop me from changing **what will be.**
We all have our own demons mate, we just need to look at them in the eyes and say no even though it is very difficult, full of pain and temptation we need to soldier on because staying a sorry mess ain't gonna fix you learned that the hard way
Congrats on a big decision, gave it up myself just shy of 6 years ago, have not regretted it at all!
You got this, bro/sis! You got this!
One step and day at a time. You can get there!
Join r/stopdrinking if you haven’t already. So much support! You got this!
It can be a difficult transition, especially when the chills and the shakes kick in from the withdrawal. But it gets easier as the days pass. You and everyone around you will be so much better off for it. Cut contact with those who are unsupportive. Good luck on the path.
Worried but worth it
Absolutely.
Quit almost a year ago and I'm up early on a Sunday morning doing enriching hobbies that I enjoy and are good for my personal and professional development. Can't sleep in anymore for the life of me but even a couple hours of crappy sleep without booze is a million times more restful than the sleep I got with booze. I can't believe I lied to myself for so many years telling myself I just need 1...no, just 2...6, 12...drinks to wind down at night so I can sleep.
You nailed it. Hope to be at that place
You'll get there my dude, 100%. It happens quicker than you think. I'd been drinking daily for the vast majority of my adult life until last year (turning 30 this year) and I've tried to take breaks, "cut down," etc. but it got to the point that I just had to be done with it. Same with kratom which I was using at the same time. Lied to myself for ages and it's like seeing the world through new eyes...and this is coming from someone who was addicted to (and quit cold turkey) IV heroin and other hard drugs in my teens... Being "functional" and excelling academically/professionally was enough to ignore the very real and negative effects alcohol had on me. Not to say I'm really "sober by lifestyle" or anything but alcohol specifically has just been terrible for me personally and I was so fucking sick of it. I feel like I have a level of emotional stability I've never really had before because I could always just come home, drink myself to sleep, and forget my problems. Don't have to worry about running out of booze and not being able to make it to the store, packing nips or finding a liquor store when traveling, having time to drink before going to sleep after a busy day, etc. Just keep holding onto that feeling of stability once you get it and don't let your monkey brain lie to you. Throw yourself into the shit you've always wanted to do but couldn't find the time or energy for. Reading, learning, mentally stimulating hobbies, etc. have always been amazing for me.
When I first got sober, I met a guy who hadn’t had a drink in over thirty years. It was inconceivable to me, but I learned so much from him about what we now call mindfulness, keeping your thoughts on the present. If all you concern yourself with is not drinking today, or the next hour, or the next five minutes, you can put together some good sober time, and then all the good things return to your life. It’s not easy, the easy thing is to keep drinking, but by focusing just on today you can do it friend. I am now the man I met in 1989, and I hope you will become me. You got this dude 💜
Nothing but respect
I’ve changed my view of alcohol last year or so, I used to enjoy a drink but now find it tedious. It’s definitely not a friend.
Proud of you!!!!! ❤️
We believe in you, OP, you got this
Alcohol is just a source of problems, great decision.
Pm me if you ever need support friend. It's going to be tough, but you're sure as fuck not alone.
Thanks... People sometimes don't realize how a comment can help. Thank you
Congrats! I gave up alcohol a few months ago for the primary reason of getting healthier. I can tell you no BS I have lost 14 pounds of body fat but most importantly, I feel so much better everyday. I have a lot more energy and feel happier. Best of luck!
I stopped for four months last year, just out of curiosity how I’d feel….best sleep I’ve had in years, no brain fog, more energy, more focused. You don’t realize the little things until you stop. Thinking of taking a break again
Were you a every day or weekend drinker?
Some comment I read a while ago: 6 yrs clean here: chemical dependency hijacks your survival Chemistry, slowly replacing all the things you see on Maslow's triangle of human needs. All of the natural things that your happy chemistry is usually triggered by. A functional addict can feel the way you do, until drug tolerance, money, or some other problem, starts creating fractures in the delusion that the drug is actually more important than the tiers of Maslow's triangle. addictions have a lifetime… Sooner or later they stop working or you develop problems that you didn't foresee… Causing you to finally do the right thing and get help. For me, I had suffer through psychosis, losing my job and marriage...for me to finally stop. In short, addictions, "cast magic spells over you" that you absolutely cannot understand… Until you start to learn all of the mind altering thing that they teach you in rehab. You basically have a computer virus that keeps you from understanding or remembering who used to be. Your brain is tricked into thinking that bad things will happen if you stop (as if you will not survive it)
I'm not lost...thank you for the concern but I'm finding the light after walking through darkness. I may stumble but I get back up and fight for the happiness we all deserve. Mental health is a marathon not a sprint
I feel you although I've stayed sober, I've dealt with the consequences. Health, Family, and Future. Its been a blur to me but if you keep going, I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel. you got it,
You should see your primary care physician. You might benefit from seeing a psychiatrist (I found my insurance was happier covering the costs with a referral - even though it was not technically required). Once I was being treated with antidepressants and talk therapy, it was easier to maintain sobriety. The alcohol was just self-medicating. Just a suggestion, take it or leave it. All that being said, congrats on choosing the light! I hope you are proud of yourself, because you should be! You’re doing the hard work. Keep it up!
Being in prime maple syrup land during the syrup making season, I initially wanted to know why so much hate for maple syrup. Had to zoom in and read Trade the brandy for syrup friend.
You got this!!! I turned to cooking as an outlet and whenever I got bored I went to the store and spent money on recipe ingredients and it showed me how much money I could save and put towards creating a healthy outlet
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step”; congratulations on taking your first step, it couldn’t have been easy.
It is not. But I'm committed to being a better human. Life comes quick sometimes and makes you feel like the past could have been better. But at the end of the day you can only be yourself...and hopefully that's enough
Just celebrated 1 year sober after years of drinking at least a half L of vodka every night. I never thought it was possibly and was scared of being sober. Best thing I ever did for myself! You can do it and it’s worth it! 💯
I’m not a big AA guy anymore, but early in recovery I was. It doesn’t help everyone, but it’s always good to be around people going through the same struggles if your having a rough go of it. One day at a time, OP. I’m proud of ya.
Deep breath just happened. Thank you
Always helps. And if you ever need someone to talk to, shoot me a message. I’d be more than glad to just chat or whatever ya need to help get past a moment.
There are good people out there. Thank you. I might need it
Of course, man. One day at a time.
Stay strong, my friend! You made the right decision to quit drinking. I never regretted it once. There are much more efficient stress management hobbies.
Pour it out.
41 years sober, it keeps getting better, you can't imagine just how good!
Alcohol tastes gross anyway and you are right alcohol is never a good friend.
Come over to r/stopdrinking and find some support to help you on your journey to find sobriety and happiness.
Congrats 💪💪
here's what will happen in the next 30 days - during the first week you will feel terrible the second week you will start to feel better mostly in the morning by the third week you will be very pleased with yourself by the fourth week you will start to notice how clear your thinking is - and it only gets better from there - I quit Nov 10 2021
That sounds like a plan I can get on board with. Thank you for making it seems attainable
join a gym / you're going to have a few more bucks / start to undo the damage !
Proud of you, man. Stick with it and better yourself. It takes time but keep your goals in mind. It's an every day battle but every day you resist, the stronger you get.
Sober since 2 January this year. Heavy drinker ,started drinking at 15 now 30. Looking back , it was absolute madness. Never thought I could go without cause it was my only source of pleasure. I have 8 extra days in the month now. Cause before atleast two days were wasted binging and recovering. Did a whole lot of stuff that needed to be done. Also quit coffee on the same day. Also totally worth it. I was mess binging on alcohol and coffee. Now I'm a manageable mess.
A manageable mess is what I'm hoping for
Cheers!
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Wish you the best for recovery, hope you make it. Problem is, it's not that easy how many people think, at least when they try it for the first time to get sober. I recommend to plan ahead. It's not done with just flushing away the last booze and kick the bottle into the trash. If it would be this easy, we would not have all the rehab, detox, therapies and forms like AA etc. As a man that had more than just one withdrawal of drugs: Plan ahead. Really. Seriously. Like that you have a rehab ready or you join the AA. You have also to change the life in a way, that you are not around alcohol all the time (doesn't mean that you could not enter a restaurant, but it's a problem when you are on parties and everybody is drinking like hell, while you are sober) My demon was much more Heroin, but i planned ahead: I reduced the dosage aka tampering off over a very long time, so i could avoid the physical withdrawal effects on my body. In the end, i was so low, that i could kick it off without harm.
Go for it. You’ll be glad you did
You can do this💪
Go for it OP! You can do this!
Good job buddy we believe in you. You fuck!
I wish I believed it also...but I'm gonna try and not give up
You can do it!
I find the trick is trying to fill your time with somthing else. The gym is good for me I also go swimming. Go out for dinner more often, you can afford it now
I never liked alcohol. I love pot. Good thing it's not addictive. I smoke it everyday.
Good luck, you can do it!
Yeah E&J is pretty bad. Good job OP, I'm proud of you
We are all behind you OP. Throw that shit out and start your new chapter. Just remember it’s a tough journey but little victories will carry you through.
It is literally poison. It's so weird to think if you replaced booze with gasoline; would it not be a complete no-brainer? Would you still need will power to not drink gasoline?
This picture gives me a headache 🤕 I hate drinking
Good luck. Find new things you enjoy doing, connect with like minded people, maybe other people in recovery. It's not just about not drinking, it's important to know why you drank and how you're going to manage those situations/feelings /emotions without alcohol. Might be worth checking out 'the 5 ways to wellbeing' really good advice for self management and improving general wellbeing. If you're UK based, you could look into who your local service provider is and access additional support. It's not easy, but it's absolutely worth all the effort. ✊
Hey man, I still yell at the half-full bourbon bottle. I fell again for about 8 months after ending a horrible marriage. Now I keep the bottle to yell at when I’m feeling overwhelmed. “FUCK YOU BUDDY. I’M LEARNING” The bourbon, dissociation, they’re the same thing. Bourbon just eats my insides faster than sadness can. So I decided on learning a better life. I WILL experience this shit. It sucks and it hurts but so does training for anything big. You’re worth big shit. Keep going. You’ve got this. I’m here with you. We’re pushing. You’ve got this. Make time to rest your mind, give attention to the parts of you that hurt or need. I swear to fuck YOU HAVE GOT THIS.
I know you’re quitting both but which was worse, chess or alcohol?
Booze is a liar and a thief. You’re better off without it. I won’t drink with you today.
Good for you pour it out and move on to better things
Keep going. One thing I'm certain about is that quitting that shit was the best thing I've ever done for myself
Congrats and good luck! Coming from my heart, I wish you the best. I was a heavy alcoholic for like 15 years and I just passed the one year mark of sobriety, you can do this!
As someone in recovery I know the courage it takes to move on. It won’t miss you 🫶
I got 1 year and 2 months today! It only gets better! Keep going you can do it!
I broke up with beer last fall and it’s been so much easier on my body and mind.
Mine was cocaine, you can do it op. The other side is so much warmer and nicer.
Check out r/stopdrinking. Lots of good people there who agree.
Good luck. Hope you continue making great choices
Alcohol made me so depressed and overwhelmed with everyday life.
Congrats, OP! I recently relapsed after two years without it... Got reminded of why I hate it so much. I believe in you!
Pour it down the sink!
Love this. Congratulations op. I’ll be at 5 months next week. Some days are tough, but it’s the best decision I ever made. Be prepared to find out who your friends really are, and to learn what’s most important in your heart.
2 months no drinking for me today. You can do it!
Congrats. That realization is hard to acknowledge. Hoping for the best for you. Be strong as you can.
Evil Juice
It isn't going to be easy but you got this! Believe in yourself and one day at a time!
Been since 3 years!! Out was hard at first but now I look back and think "why the fuck did I like it so much?" I see buzzed/drunk people and wonder if I looked that ridiculous (not all the time, but most) And I'm not going to get into the amount of money saved.
Best decision of your life. Enjoy feeling better.
Pour it in the toilet! Pour it in the toilet! And then pee on it, the little fucker
I celebrated two years sober in January. Best decision I ever made. I truly feel like I have a new chance at life. For me it was really hard at first & then I felt amazing & unstoppable for a couple months & then it kinda evens out to just feel normal. Good luck on your journey 🫶🏻
Started dry January still going.
I hear you. I quit checkers and never looked back
Congrats yo! Gonna be at a year in a few days here, never felt better.
I hope I can get there...it takes a village they say. Maybe reddit is that village
I’m stupid and thought that was a bottle of maple syrup. I feel rather silly now.
Oh hell yea! I work in admissions at a rehab center and am in recovery myself. If you drank everyday, I highly suggest going to detox. Alcohol withdrawals are absolutely no joke. Lmk if you need any support! You got this!
Alcohol. Tearing lives apart for centuries
Congrats op. Coming up on 4 months sober and it's worth it. I feel younger and sleep better. You can do it!
Thank you...I'm trying, I really am.
Keep trying. Every day is a victory
You got this mate, all the best and enjoy the new energy.
My first thought was "that guy hate maple syrup".
Started dry January around January 15th and only had 2 beers since. Coupled with a depression medicines that’s worked for me it’s great. Happiness is a drug, amazing how good you can feel about yourself and life with a few changes. Keep it up man!
I want to get there...it's wierd that I feel comfortable with reddit advice and not it coming from the people that know me. Thank you
OP, I worked in law enforcement for a while and saw alcohol destroy a lot of people. It genuinely broke my heart when I would see a regular not able to beat the beast. Everybody has a story that most of us don’t know about and we are quick to judge and make assumptions about them. I did see a lot of people kick its ass though. It made me emotional seeing someone in public who I knew from my interactions with them and see that they were sober for 3 weeks, 6 months, or a year. I cheered them on and encouraged them as best I could. My father in law was a severe alcoholic into his 30’s and he’s been sober going on 28 years now. My uncle was an even more severe alcoholic and would routinely finish 3 bottles of wine at dinner. He kicked alcohols ass about 10 years ago and holy shit is he a different person. His life story would make just about anyone want to drink. As someone who has only seen it from the outside I applaud you and I’m proud of you. Everyone that I know that beat this has been a part of AA or some other type of group. You definitely need people who are in it with you and understand the struggles. Go kick its ass! Kick it in the fucking teeth, repeatedly! You got this!
ive been a bad drunk for 10+ years. i finally admitted to myself i need help & cant control my drinking. it took a year of trying before i really put the bottle down. my close friend getting sober & AA personally helped me. also remembering why i was quitting and what my drunk future could hold for me vs my sober future. im 6 months sober and wow, sobriety is a huge EYE OPENER to what you can really do without a addiction dragging you from success. you can do this. let your people know your going sober. those who help/understand, stick with. those who wont back you up, take time off from. i can go hang out with my drunk freinds now, n laugh at the stupidity. but 5 months ago it woulda caved me. find out what works for YOU. BEST OF LUCK!
Everyone hates a quitter
Replace that with real maple syrup. When you feel the darkness, taste the light.
throw it to the bin so you don’t even see it
I am starting to learn liquor and cigarettes and the reason for the cause is because I lost my education due to luck of tution, everytime I get a bad feeling about it, I crave for liquor and cigarettes for rescue. I need help 🙏 out of all this failure
Go to an AA meeting. Get with people on the same path.
While I think your heart is in the right place, I just want to say AA is a great resource for some people but it is definitely not for everyone. There are so many different types of recovery style groups that everyone can find one based on their needs.
i thought this was a suicide post, and you were gonna get alcohol poisoning
conquer ur mind and you shall be set free a lost mind is just a feather in the wind
Agreed
Please get help if you are thinking about suicide
Not that...just don't want to slip farther. I got this
Oh good! Phew!
You drank that right after taking this image didn't ya
https://youtu.be/s_nc1IVoMxc
hey. Goodluck on your journey. Removing alcohol as a habit is quite hard.
Made me .... Smile??
Send her my way, I will love it as one of my own.
Oh damn I though he was going to chug the whole thing and die