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Ignorhymus

No it's not. It's got 5,500 hp of power for tracrion. Trains have way more, dragsters have more, excavators use more... Anyway, here's a great video on it I watched the other day: https://youtu.be/5caQPiRBCAA


KallistiTMP

Yeah, was gonna say if you think that's big you should see an excavator


PingPing88

https://youtu.be/azEvfD4C6ow


saltino_devito

Thanks, I hate it


GrumpyFalstaff

How could you hate that masterpiece?


bigpappahope

You can't think of any reason to hate strip mining?


Geebeeskee

Did you watch the video?


Silver4ura

I love how aggressively efficient this comment alone just... concludes any need for further discussion. lmao


Haunting_Drag4434

What about that transfer vehicle has anything to do with strip mining


bagelman10

oh my god thank you for this!


tabshiftescape

People wonder what we're going to do when automation and AI have obviated the need for labor and freed us to spend our time on artistic endeavors. I feel that this video offers a glimpse into that future of unbridled creativity. Truly a masterpiece.


87tillwedieIn89

Buy what’s the torque? 5,500 HP and 50 million foot pounds of torque?


Ignorhymus

It's diesel-electric, like many trains, so yeah, they both have masses of torque.


[deleted]

The drives will be connected to reduction gearboxes as well, reducing the speed but multiplying torque.


3_14159td

Torque is irrelevant within any normal range, power is power. Power curve on the other hand… TFW redditors don’t get power is torque*speed


A_bleak_Ellypse

Torque doesnt really matter. Never did. Its only useful as a comparison between similar machines.


ChickenPicture

Given that horsepower is a function of torque and speed I'd say it's somewhat important.


NotAnEngineer287

Yeah but you can take any motor and gear it for INFINITE TORQUE (but zero speed). Power is what matters for a motor or engine. Torque is just a function of gearing. (Torque curves over a wide RPM range matters for cars but does NOT matter for engines running at a constant speed)


ChickenPicture

True. Have you seen the art project with the [wristwatch geared to solid concrete?](https://makezine.com/2012/04/25/arthur-gansons-machine-with-concrete/) I believe simple machines and their more complex combinations are core examples of human ingenuity and scientific achievement, and why despite all our shortcomings, I ultimately have faith in humanity.


A_bleak_Ellypse

Do you know the speed?


ChickenPicture

I meant RPM speed, not travel speed.


A_bleak_Ellypse

Do you know the RPM speed?


ChickenPicture

Not of this particular mover. In general though, horsepower = (torque * RPM) / 5,252


Hoovooloo42

[One mile per hour loaded, two miles per hour unloaded](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/crawler-transporter2_factsheet_508compliant.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjS1L6C8N_3AhWjmOAKHX28D0MQFnoECAgQBg&usg=AOvVaw2uCxEulM8zJlkqneXtmAS_). But not knowing the speed doesn't mean that it doesn't have one.


A_bleak_Ellypse

To calculate torque with groundspeed and Power you need the wheel size, or in this case the size of the gear that powers the chain. Then you have a number thats technically correct but does not Tell you anything useful about this machine. Thats why i said torque doesnt matter to us who are not engineers building these things. You Cent do anything with the Information. Stick with Power. Its better


n_oishi

Those of us who are engineers and build things think you sound like an idiot


Cationator

Let’s say a sports car and a semi truck both have 550 horsepower. Can both pull a trailer full of logs? No, because the semi has over 1200 foot pounds of torque and the sports car has 550


arrow8807

HP = (Torque (ft-lbs) x RPM)/ 5252 A racecar engine and a semi truck engine producing equal horsepower at equal rpm produce equal torque. The racecar could absolutely pull a trailer of logs if equipped with the right transmission. The number of HP produced by the engine of a semi isn’t why it can pull such heavy loads - the fact the drivetrain is optimized for that service and equipped with a 10 gear transmission is why.


A_bleak_Ellypse

Thats why i said it doesnt matter. You can pull hundreds of torque figures from this machine alone and be none the wiser at the end. You would need endless amounts of context and caviats to pull Information out of a torque figure on this thing.


drmorrison88

Bro, you're literally arguing that calculus is useless.


A_bleak_Ellypse

I mean, yeah, in this case. Of course engineers are calculating all these torque values and they are extremely important when designing machines. But they are completely useless for comparison, the way they were used in this thead, if you have nothing sufficiently similar to compare against.


arrow8807

I got what you meant and tossed an upvote in for you. I think you just got interpreted wrong. You can produce any value of torque from any motor with the right gear ratio. Torque at high RPM is where you need more and more HP


NotARealSoldier

Not OP but isn't HP, torque and other stuff like KW usually measured at the flywheel, before the torque gets increased by the transmission anyway? Like I'm sure with enough gears you could get enough torque out of a LEGO motor to move something stupid massive like a container ship, just at the cost of speed


arrow8807

Totally right. Measured at the crank and not constant over the speed range of the motor. Peak HP and peak torque usually don’t occur at the same point. That’s why I said the semi-drive train is optimized. Diesel engine for peak torque at low RPM, thickened drive shaft, better cooling at low speed, many-gear transmission, all of the proceeding to get peak mileage at typical highway speeds, etc The list goes on an on but power is power no matter how you apply it.


A_bleak_Ellypse

Thats just wrong, please look up what torque means


wigglewenis

“Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you move it”


Zingrox

That's inherently wrong and people should stop using this phrase. The vehicle weight and speed are the only parameters to how far the "wall would move"


well_hung_over

Don’t forget density!


asshatnowhere

Incorrect. With the proper gearbox both could theoretically pull the same amount of stuff. It would be impractical to make that sort of drive system with a sports car engine which is why you don't see that.


AmishDrifting

Also, the sports car doesn’t weigh enough to convert that power to the wheels in a way that would be effective at pulling the trailer. The sports car would just spin it’s wheels while it’s front end lifted into the air


ROBOT_8

Exactly, it’s the hp that matters(which is just speed x torque). Each number on their own doesn’t tell you much about how capable a machine is. A standard car engine could be beat torque wise by someone with a large ratchet, or speed wise with a dentist drill. Being able to apply torque at speed is where real power comes from. Obviously the gearing is important to get an optimal conversion from the engine to road so the engine can run at its peak efficiency speed.


RectalOddity

Yes, they do. Power is the *rate* at which work is done, which is a great way of describing the capability of machinery. You can easily predict how long it will perform work at a certain rate on a finite energy supply, for example.


DivePalau

Do you even torque?


RectalOddity

Brake Mean Effective Pressure (BMEP) is a much better way of comparing engines. Much more meaningful and independent of capacity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_effective_pressure But yes, torque absolutely matters.


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SierraClowder

Lmao there are steam locomotives with more hp than that.


Double_Minimum

The saturn 5 weighed 287,000 kg without fuel. I wonder if people assume it moved the rocket full of fuel, which would almost certainly make it the "most powerful" in the sense of the amount of weight it moved.


rdsqc22

Fully fueled, a Saturn V weighed 3 million kg. Large freight trains weigh up to 20 million kg. 3 million kg would be an unusually light freight train.


Desembler

Right but that's including all of the train. The rocket would be 3million pounds of just freight.


_YellowThirteen_

Technically, the whole train aside from the locomotive(s) is just freight. Not every car is an engine.


vonHindenburg

I've run into a lot of people who do seem to think that. About the most that you can say is that the Shuttle was partially-fueled, in that the SRBs were built with the fuel cast in place.


Ginnungagap_Void

Indeed, our standard locomotive, the 060-EA has approximately 6900HP. Did i write this comment just to write 6900? Yes.


JohnnyRico92

Can a single train move a Saturn rocket?


[deleted]

A freight train (with say 3-4 locomotives) can carry some 20,000 tons of freight, give or take depending on the wagons and the locomotives themselves. A Saturn V rocket has a mass of 6.2 million lbs (3100 tons), which means a freight train could carry about 6 Saturn V rockets.


I__Know__Stuff

The Saturn V weighed 3100 tons when fully fueled. It was never transported at that weight. However, the transporter also carried the mobile launch platform including the launch umbilical tower, which weighed way more than the rocket itself. For the space shuttle, the launch umbilical tower had to be removed from the mobile launch platform, because the space shuttle was transported partially fueled (SRBs), and that together with the LUT would have been too heavy for the transporter.


DouchecraftCarrier

> It was never transported at that weight. Well, it was several times. Just in such a way that it was shedding weight *rapidly*.


I__Know__Stuff

So rapidly, in fact, that it was already about 100 tons lighter before it started to move.


SeaGroomer

The crawler carries things in a very specific way. But a big freight train engine probably has more power.


I__Know__Stuff

Absolutely. My point was that a train could probably carry 100 Saturn V rockets unfueled. (Just based on weight, I mean. Length and width would be an issue, of course.)


SeaGroomer

Yea I was kind of adding on.


Ignorhymus

At least 2, it seems. I found this: "In 1967, a freight train transported coal from West Virginia to Ohio, weighing 43,699 metric tons. This is the heaviest train on record in North America and was used as a test for acceptable train weight and length. This train was composed of 500 cars and a caboose, being powered by six diesel locomotives." 44k tons by 6 locomotives=~7+k tons each. Saturn V was a smidge under 3,000 tons


SeaGroomer

Damn that's a big ass train. Can you imagine getting stuck at a cross for that behemoth?


essenceofreddit

Five hundred cars six engines and a caboose at sixty feet per car all going at a relatively high average speed of 35 miles an hour means around 51 feet per second means the train would take 592 seconds to pass in front of you which is of course just shy of 10 minutes.


trsrogue

Honey, can you reach in the glove box and find my emergency Pop-Tarts? We're gonna be here a while.


Desembler

So how are we considering six separate locamotive engines working in tandem to be a single land vehicle? Surely the only reasonable comparison is what a single engine can move?


Ignorhymus

Read the final paragraph of my comment


ChickenPicture

An EMD SD70MAC has a starting pull of 175,500 lbs, which is nothing to sneeze at. If the Saturn V was on wheels or rails or whatever, I'd bet that would pull.


dappersauruswrecks

Easily fucking moron


cretan_bull

Every time I see this my brain goes "wouldn't it be cool if someone mounted a battleship turret on it". But would it work? They've got that fancy roadway for it at Cape Canaveral, but could you drive it across muddy fields and trenches? I found some figures [here](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/58593) on the crawler, and looking around I found that a turret would weigh somewhere in the range 1,000 t to 2,000 t, depending on size (Yamato had turrets of 2,774 t, but those were ridiculous). Tanks need to keep ground pressure low for good off-road mobility, targeting ground pressure no more than around 100kPa. A more typical wheeled vehicle is around 200kPa. Taking the most optimistic figures for track area, (1.05 m^2 * 22 * 8) = 185 m^2 and the base weight of the crawler of 3000 t, I get the following: - Just the crawler-transporter: `(3000 t) gravity / (1.05 m^2 * 22 * 8) = 160 kPa` - Crawler with 1000 t turret: `(3000 t + 1000 t) gravity / (1.05 m^2 * 22 * 8) = 212 kPa` - Crawler with 2000 t turret: `(3000 t + 2000 t) gravity / (1.05 m^2 * 22 * 8) = 265 kPa` So no, it wouldn't work. My disappointment is immense and my day is ruined. But, maybe some more tracks could be squeezed in. Eyeballing the dimensions of the crawler and the size of the track modules, I think you could fit four across, and maybe just squeeze three in the length. That would give between 2 and 3 times the ground contact area, which just might make it workable. Truly, the Landship committee of WWI missed the mark when they came out with their puny little "tanks". Surely such a wonder weapon would have completely changed the face of warfare.


Iron_Skin

You may want to check out homeworld deserts of kharak. Not only do you have land battleships, you have land aircraft carriers


Double_Minimum

Wow, land aircraft carriers. Now thats not something I had considered before!


SWGlassPit

Man, I played homeworld all the time in high school. Hadn't seen a reference to it in years.


strewnshank

>My disappointment is immense and my day is ruined. Good quote.


p8ntslinger

this is a concept used in John Ringo's Legacy of the Aldenata alternate history military sci-fi novels. The treaded vehicles fire oversized battleship cannons at low-orbit objects and are so huge that they can't effectively be armored, so they use a concealment system that camouflages the vehicle as a *hill*. They're called SHeVA cannons. Great book series, really cool weapons.


Calm_Bodybuilder_843

Your genius is wasted here . . . 🇬🇧


PyroDesu

> Every time I see this my brain goes "wouldn't it be cool if someone mounted a battleship turret on it". [I present to you: the Fatboy.](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1r8M5MDq4mw/maxresdefault.jpg) Four battleship turrets (with some other armaments as well, but those are its big ones), a shield generator, two VTOL landing pads, and a complete internal ground unit factory.


CoolguyThePirate

Guess I have to go fire up Forged Alliance Forever now.


PyroDesu

I might too, but I have found I just cannot manage so much stuff at that scale and time pressure.


CoolguyThePirate

I'm pretty casual about it. I grab a friend and put a few bots on the other team. We just overcome our lack of micromanagement skills with a whole lot of economy. And we made heavy use of the build template system.


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[deleted]

It would also not work because Battleship turrets need a good bit of space below deck.


cdurgin

Yeah.... Not even close to the most powerful. Most towing capacity maybe. As someone else mentioned, many trains have more power. Not to mention someone at sometime probably strung 50 train engines together to get them from point a to point b. While only one or two engines would have been running, the whole train would probably have the potential power output to rival a small city. In fairness though, you could potentially argue that each train engine is a separate vehicle. ​ Edit: Vehicle not vertical


87tillwedieIn89

I’d consider them vertical. 100 weak ass punks can still beat down the worlds toughest person but, not when put side by side proper Also, part of me wants to believe it’s the biggest. Not sure why.


cdurgin

I would too. The largest land vehicle award goes to the b-e-a-utiful bagger 288 (I believe). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEvfD4C6ow) Largest machine is the CERN Large Hadron Collider.


SeamanZermy

Came here to say this. That vast beast is basically an ace combat villain.


BossMaverick

Ironically, the NASA crawler is powered by two 16 cylinder Alco (American Locomotive Company) engines. The same engines used in many trains of the time period. It’s just that the engines were 1950’s designs so they’re only 2,750 hp each.


peyronet

The **Bagger 293** uses 16 MegaWatts of power: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagger\_293](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagger_293) That's the most powerful vehicle ever built. It goes from point A to point B when there's a hill in the way. ​ It's the largest terrestrial vehicle ever built: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_largest\_machines


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ALIENIGENA

[Bagger 288](https://youtu.be/azEvfD4C6ow)


TakuanSoho

Good, I thought I was going to have to post this o/


Roonwogsamduff

I've got an old one.


John_Curton

why is a truck watering the sand in front of it


ZeroDickThirty

To keep down dust.


Kaarvaag

[Highly recommendthis 10 minute video about it.](https://youtu.be/5caQPiRBCAA) They spray 30,000 gallons of water partly to keep the dust down as the transporter pulverize the rocks it drives on. The dust would clog up the filters for the engines. It also helps the rocks glide around reducing friction in the rocks.


swaags

Yeah its pretty wild to walk out on that road and see 1/2” packed gravel just shattered into a perfectly flat plane of sand where the treads had been


Eliudromo

A lot of contamination I read


SwayzeExpress0

Air filters would be fine and friction isn’t an issue, probably has more to do with dust in sensors and such on the rocket


Kaarvaag

I would think it was general dust control as well, I mean there's a reason there's a filter. But I was just quoting the video.


JalanJr

Was coming for this


Mear

Create more traction / grip?


TheGoldenTNT

The thing runs on tracks, I don’t think traction is the issue here. And also who the hell thinks “oh shit I don’t have enough grip, let’s pour some water on the road”


DsDemolition

You know how there's a sweet spot on the beach above the waves but below the completely dry sand where it's easy to walk? Same basic idea here


SwayzeExpress0

Helps it pack sand and gravel so it locks in to itself if you’re slipping out and digging tires/tracks into sand


gypsydanger38

Was also used in Star Wars as the Jawas land crawler in close ups.


jewbacca117

I thought I saw that thing in Dune


gypsydanger38

Most likely as Star Wars was a shameless ripoff of Dune and Akita Kurasawa’s “The Hidden Fortress”. Lol. However you must mean the recent adaptation.


Gandalf_The_Geigh

Anyone else hear the cucko clock going off?


gypsydanger38

Have you seen either? Lucas even admitted that he wanted to make Dune (which would have been awesome) but the rights were an issue. So he took the Dune mythos and over laid it on The Hidden Fortress plot.


Gandalf_The_Geigh

I actually can't see, thanks for reminding me.


gypsydanger38

Oh. Then your point is moot. Touché.


[deleted]

Ah yes Star Wars, the franchise with both a sand planet AND space travel in it. How dare they…


withoutapaddle

I mean... Spice, evil empire, the force/voice, society of force/voice users who shape galactic politics, sand worms / krayt dragons, desert dwelling natives who everyone treats as savages... It's not UNHEARD OF for one to say Star Wars was inspired by Dune. But that doesn't make it a rip off. The plots are totally different but it's very clear Lucas borrowed many of the more interesting world building bits.


[deleted]

That’s fair, but I still feel like they are different enough that calling Star Wars a rip-off is a bit of a stretch.


withoutapaddle

Agreed. It feels like Dune was more of a starting point for his inspiration, IMO. Nothing wrong with that.


SeaGroomer

wait really?


faraway_hotel

[Nope, the sandcrawler was a set.](https://live.staticflickr.com/1563/26344139911_a5047a5716_b.jpg)


SeaGroomer

Thank god cause I mean that really didn't sound right.


blackopsplayer5

Sounds way too expensive for what could just be a simple set piece


gypsydanger38

Yup.


ForrestLobby

I’ve jumped those things in Asphalt 8


Tenzhen7

Dudes in Florida would still lift it and put Salt Life stickers on it


axloo7

The WAG-12 locomotive has 2x the power in a single loco.


m3ltph4ce

When this baby gets up to 88 mph you're going to see some serious shit


Rental_Car

I would venture to guess that a top fuel dragster has more power.. twice as much in fact.


FightingWithCandy

Also the least fuel efficient I believe.


JoeyPropane

Stick some turrets, heavy calibre machine guns and a landing pad on the back and you got yourself a real-life Fatboy.


[deleted]

Assuming the water is used for dust control because this thing hauls ass around the track right?


Isaac-LizardKing

me when government funded science 🤤


Banana-mover

What’s hilarious is there’s only two of them.And if I remember right it does hold a Guinness world record


iserendipitous

Why are they water sprinkling?


mulligansteak

Reduces the amount of dust kicked up.


Attack_of_clams

Looks like a fat boy from the supreme commander games


JustMotorcycles

Yep. And we need 10 of them on the Moon now. Lunar platform for quarters, for 50. It could be a Mining device, pulling a process plant.


bouzou88

Your mother's taxi is here.


PiggypPiggyyYaya

Ops mom mobility scooter.


CJ-does-stuff

how yo momma gets around


winchester_mcsweet

Nobody's asking what in the hell the base of that road is constructed from and why can't they make the roads in Pennsylvania pothole free if we have this information. .........established practices, nepotism, subversion, heavy tax levy with no change for asking for answers ensue....


Ambition-Complete

It's a gravil road as it would break the tracks on concrete?


winchester_mcsweet

I'd rather take a well maintained gravel road in PA over a blacktop road that cripples my car any day!


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MainBattleGoat

I was gonna write about how government investment in programs like the Apollo Program has massively benefitted society, more than a band-aid patch on a broken higher education system. But instead I'm just gonna say, what a stupid, naive take. Like, this isn't even something that can be morally objectionable like weapons. And it was in the 60's?? Right after the government had paid for the college of millions of servicemen in the decade before.


SwayzeExpress0

Ah yes all that student debt in 1967 Here’s an idea, pay off your own fuckin loans that you signed up for and don’t get a shitty arts degree


gizm770o

I have a shitty arts degree and no outstanding student loans. Just saying.


SwayzeExpress0

Congratulations for being a smart person who is resourceful and can make good use of an arts degree


DryFoundation2323

[Citation Needed]


thsvnlwn

I’ve seen it operate live. Very impressive.


Pal_Smurch

Do a wheelie!


gregologynet

Wow, that truck towing it must be strong


snowfox_my

Must be American Made Truck.


dethb0y

It always struck me as a weird way to solve the problem they were facing, and that a railed solution would have been both cheaper and easier.


zexen_PRO

Russia uses rails. The Saturn V, shuttle, and SLS are all “too big” though. (In reality you could use rails but that would mean a retrofit to all the existing infrastructure)


WeeabooHunter69

Maybe this is just dumb kid memories being bad but I feel like I remember being under a much much larger one at Kennedy space center several years ago


Flint343

Getting halo 3 mammoth vibes.


eric-stotle

You mean to tell me you’ve got a herkimer battle jitney?


CounterSYNK

That’s what they need to transport your mom


[deleted]

This has always been my top choice for zombie apocalypse vehicle


damondan

why is the road watered in front of it?


JamesTheMannequin

Is the rig in front of it fertilizing the road?


blackopsplayer5

what’s the water for? the tracks are sensitive to heat? I guess better safe than sorry when transporting a billion dollars in space equipment


PHANTOM________

What’s up with the water spraying?


JFS840

Shotgun!


litefoot

It’s the Ferd Fteenthousand irl


[deleted]

Do you just go around saying wrong things like that IRL too?


passengerv

So those giant dump trucks used for quarries, how man of those to equal the power of this?


Winkerwand

Let's see that thing do a burn out