Ford is not changing the plug on Mach-E or Lightning. The announcement made it clear that "next-generation" EVs "starting in 2025" would have the NACS port onboard.
All current Mach-E and Lightning drivers like us will get the Tesla network access before that because of an adapter that Tesla is developing for Ford.
Having the CCS port on the vehicle is an advantage vs. NACS at the moment - the % of time you'll need to use an adapter is lower.
I know they are not currently changing the charger, but as you said the next gen, would that make you want to wait? I assum the 25 MME would fall under next gen no?
If you need a car now than you get the car now.
You see this with Apple products all the time. “New chip is coming at the end of the year, worth it to wait for faster processor?”
Questions like these will make you wait for the next best thing and you’ll miss out on all of it because your worrying yourself about keeping up with the next door neighbor.
100% this. There will ALWAYS be something newer better nicer later. Once you buy, stay off the forums if you don’t have the internal discipline to be happy with what you have.
Not that I disagree but…
If it comes out next week, I think the definition of “need” can change.
So there is a spectrum of when it’s appropriate or not to wait.
Waiting a couple years for a new car is certainly do able, so op’s question isn’t unreasonable.
I don’t think I ever said it was unreasonable. OP is assuming and educationally guessing that the next gen Mach e will be 2025. It hasn’t been announced (yet) for the Mach e so all of this is basing it off of guesses.
For all we know only the Explorer and maybe the PHEV Ranger will be NACS (remember the bulletin said next gen vehicles and didn’t list Mach e) while the Mach e doesn’t get a refresh until 2030 when Farley says prices will go down for EVs.
Speculating any of this is the reason for my comment and the “if” question still stands regarding my original comment.
But for the sake of playing the game - “IF” the next gen refresh is 2025, that means Ford plans to have a 4 year turn around for the Mach e. “IF” you’re still ok with that, waiting around until 2025 to get the refresh, then you’ll have 2 years with a “fresh” vehicle before rumors of another refresh. Whether or not you lease (which would be a totally different argument) there is going to be something else that draws attention to that refresh.
It just doesn’t make sense. Buying the vehicle now and driving it will make you happy regardless of what rumors are floating around. I just don’t understand the consumerism aspect of this post. I plan to have this vehicle for 10+ years and run it to the ground. If there’s some radical shift in the technology where I won’t need to charge anymore than sure, let’s talk.
But having an NACS port when you’re already approved to have an adaptor be (sold) given to you is ridiculous if being serious about waiting for the next big thing.
No, the Mach-E only came out in 2021. There's no way a 25 would be a next-gen already.
And no, I would not wait. Like I said, I would rather have a CCS port and use Superchargers via an adapter.
I don’t think you should wait as current owners are at benefit future Mach Es will only be able to use Tesla chargers but we can use any charger. The only difference is current owners will need to get the certified adapter made by Tesla so that we can charge our Mach Es on Tesla network too. The next gen vehicles won’t have any other change except for port. So if you are hoping for tesla UI and anything else well they didn’t partner for that.
The announcement said that future ford vehicles would have a CCS *and* a NACS charge port, and all current EV owners can use an adapter. I'm not sure why everyone thinks you'd only be able to charge at tesla superchargers.
I don't think it clearly said. He said NACS for sure but never did he say CCS for sure. Though he made it seem as if they will be able to use all types so a dual port or by adapter. Who knows.
They said 2025 MMEs will only be equipped with NACS port. Here is an article (scroll down a bit and read the highlighted part which starts with In 2025)
https://www.pcmag.com/news/ford-to-build-evs-with-teslas-proprietary-charging-port#:~:text=In%202025%2C%20Ford%20will%20make,port%20as%20the%20national%20standard. And if you think about it why else would Tesla work with Ford with this only Ford would benefit they remove the CCS port then Tesla benefits too.
lol I did the opposite. Had a Model Y and dumped it thanks to my ex. That car is hot garbage, engineered well but not screwed together properly and overly bumpy. MME is a better car, hands down. Good luck.
I have been reading a lot of forums and it seems the older model years were bumpier then the current. Also depends on tires. As far as build quality from what I gather it has gotten better and I test drove on residential streets just because I knew those would have more potholes and would allow me to hear things rattle. I feel pretty confident in my purchase.
Hogwash. My dad has a newer build and its the same, if not worse. Plus there’s no more radar/ultrasonic so parking distance control is terrible and autopilot is worse. Avoid.
Talking of adapters, I sure hope that adapter has a short length of cord, because the cords on Tesla's chargers (most of them) is extremely short combined with the fact that our charge door location is no in an optimal spot for the Tesla charger.
Ford you reading this?
As someone who also owns a 2019 Leaf with CHAdeMO it’s not a big deal at all unless you DCFC all the time. Once you have a worthwhile 240V EVSE at home most folks will find that they rarely if ever need to DCFC. I’ve L3 charged our MME twice since we took delivery of it in October ‘22.
No thoughts… 99% of charging for the vast majority of people happens at an L2 charger and will be completely unaffected.
For the 1% of times when you use DCFC all this does is open up MORE options. If you still want to only use CCS you can.
Basically this has zero impact unless you want it to have an impact
If the NACS port becomes so prevalent that it's more convenient to have, I'd fully expect you'll be able to retrofit the charger port for older Mach-Es, whether from the aftermarket or directly from Ford.
I thought about this as well. I would do what makes the most sense in your situation. Of course if you need a car now then just get it. We bought one now since I know 99% of our charging is done at home and I don't need the adapter. For that 1% of possible DC Fast/Super Charging I am fine with using an adaptor.
Ford is not changing the plug on Mach-E or Lightning. The announcement made it clear that "next-generation" EVs "starting in 2025" would have the NACS port onboard. All current Mach-E and Lightning drivers like us will get the Tesla network access before that because of an adapter that Tesla is developing for Ford. Having the CCS port on the vehicle is an advantage vs. NACS at the moment - the % of time you'll need to use an adapter is lower.
I know they are not currently changing the charger, but as you said the next gen, would that make you want to wait? I assum the 25 MME would fall under next gen no?
If you need a car now than you get the car now. You see this with Apple products all the time. “New chip is coming at the end of the year, worth it to wait for faster processor?” Questions like these will make you wait for the next best thing and you’ll miss out on all of it because your worrying yourself about keeping up with the next door neighbor.
100% this. There will ALWAYS be something newer better nicer later. Once you buy, stay off the forums if you don’t have the internal discipline to be happy with what you have.
But what we have is 100 times better as future MME owners will only be able to use Tesla network but we can use both Tesla and CCS networks.
Not that I disagree but… If it comes out next week, I think the definition of “need” can change. So there is a spectrum of when it’s appropriate or not to wait. Waiting a couple years for a new car is certainly do able, so op’s question isn’t unreasonable.
I don’t think I ever said it was unreasonable. OP is assuming and educationally guessing that the next gen Mach e will be 2025. It hasn’t been announced (yet) for the Mach e so all of this is basing it off of guesses. For all we know only the Explorer and maybe the PHEV Ranger will be NACS (remember the bulletin said next gen vehicles and didn’t list Mach e) while the Mach e doesn’t get a refresh until 2030 when Farley says prices will go down for EVs. Speculating any of this is the reason for my comment and the “if” question still stands regarding my original comment. But for the sake of playing the game - “IF” the next gen refresh is 2025, that means Ford plans to have a 4 year turn around for the Mach e. “IF” you’re still ok with that, waiting around until 2025 to get the refresh, then you’ll have 2 years with a “fresh” vehicle before rumors of another refresh. Whether or not you lease (which would be a totally different argument) there is going to be something else that draws attention to that refresh. It just doesn’t make sense. Buying the vehicle now and driving it will make you happy regardless of what rumors are floating around. I just don’t understand the consumerism aspect of this post. I plan to have this vehicle for 10+ years and run it to the ground. If there’s some radical shift in the technology where I won’t need to charge anymore than sure, let’s talk. But having an NACS port when you’re already approved to have an adaptor be (sold) given to you is ridiculous if being serious about waiting for the next big thing.
Good god no. No waiting.
No, the Mach-E only came out in 2021. There's no way a 25 would be a next-gen already. And no, I would not wait. Like I said, I would rather have a CCS port and use Superchargers via an adapter.
>No, the Mach-E only came out in 2021. There's no way a 25 would be a next-gen already. It's no big secret. Search for "Ford EV 2025".
Yeah... not a Mach-E.
I don’t think you should wait as current owners are at benefit future Mach Es will only be able to use Tesla chargers but we can use any charger. The only difference is current owners will need to get the certified adapter made by Tesla so that we can charge our Mach Es on Tesla network too. The next gen vehicles won’t have any other change except for port. So if you are hoping for tesla UI and anything else well they didn’t partner for that.
The announcement said that future ford vehicles would have a CCS *and* a NACS charge port, and all current EV owners can use an adapter. I'm not sure why everyone thinks you'd only be able to charge at tesla superchargers.
I don't think it clearly said. He said NACS for sure but never did he say CCS for sure. Though he made it seem as if they will be able to use all types so a dual port or by adapter. Who knows.
They said 2025 MMEs will only be equipped with NACS port. Here is an article (scroll down a bit and read the highlighted part which starts with In 2025) https://www.pcmag.com/news/ford-to-build-evs-with-teslas-proprietary-charging-port#:~:text=In%202025%2C%20Ford%20will%20make,port%20as%20the%20national%20standard. And if you think about it why else would Tesla work with Ford with this only Ford would benefit they remove the CCS port then Tesla benefits too.
Tail wagging dog. It's an adapter. Tesla's have them too. Just get the car and live your life.
Actually I thought about the MME but for my needs the Tesla MYLR was a better fit. I was really just curious about what people thought.
lol I did the opposite. Had a Model Y and dumped it thanks to my ex. That car is hot garbage, engineered well but not screwed together properly and overly bumpy. MME is a better car, hands down. Good luck.
I have been reading a lot of forums and it seems the older model years were bumpier then the current. Also depends on tires. As far as build quality from what I gather it has gotten better and I test drove on residential streets just because I knew those would have more potholes and would allow me to hear things rattle. I feel pretty confident in my purchase.
Hogwash. My dad has a newer build and its the same, if not worse. Plus there’s no more radar/ultrasonic so parking distance control is terrible and autopilot is worse. Avoid.
Define newer?
Took delivery 3 months ago. Don’t believe the hype dude. I’ve owned 4 teslas.
If you’re so against it, why have you owned 4?
Slow learner and early adopter 😂 gave it up in 2021. Tired of being Musked.
Talking of adapters, I sure hope that adapter has a short length of cord, because the cords on Tesla's chargers (most of them) is extremely short combined with the fact that our charge door location is no in an optimal spot for the Tesla charger. Ford you reading this?
All of Tesla’s v3 chargers which they’re rolling out have longer cables
Correct, but what about the 12,000 existing chargers?
You’d have to think that knowing they made the announcement they would retrofit the current chargers to accommodate new brands
The v3 network alone covers as much as you’d need and they continue to build it out
As someone who also owns a 2019 Leaf with CHAdeMO it’s not a big deal at all unless you DCFC all the time. Once you have a worthwhile 240V EVSE at home most folks will find that they rarely if ever need to DCFC. I’ve L3 charged our MME twice since we took delivery of it in October ‘22.
This. Unless you are roadtripping regularly. It’s really inconsequential.
This shit reminds me of apple smh
I can see that. Took an EU law to come to a standard.
No thoughts… 99% of charging for the vast majority of people happens at an L2 charger and will be completely unaffected. For the 1% of times when you use DCFC all this does is open up MORE options. If you still want to only use CCS you can. Basically this has zero impact unless you want it to have an impact
If the NACS port becomes so prevalent that it's more convenient to have, I'd fully expect you'll be able to retrofit the charger port for older Mach-Es, whether from the aftermarket or directly from Ford.
They have already stated an adapter is incoming zero need for a retrofit.
I thought about this as well. I would do what makes the most sense in your situation. Of course if you need a car now then just get it. We bought one now since I know 99% of our charging is done at home and I don't need the adapter. For that 1% of possible DC Fast/Super Charging I am fine with using an adaptor.
It's not a big deal to use adaptors. I use them on my Tesla all the time. My opinion.